3rd Summers Brother
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>I MAY have missed something (but I doubt it), but exactely HOW did
>everyone come up with the idea that Gambit is really a summers
>(I know Marvel doesn't rely on evidence, but does anybody have any)?
It used to be my favorite theory, myself. Here's why I thought so:
*Gambit is revealed to be adopted at about the same time we figure out there
are more than two Summers brothers (let's not necessarily limit this to three,
this *IS* Marvel, after all).
*The other Summers mutations are chiefly energy projection, Cyclops storing
sunlight and convertin them into optic beams, Havok absorbing cosmic rays and
turning them into plasma (BTW, since when did his plasma blasts become non-
lethal? Was it the Siege? I particularly liked that aspect of his power).
Gambit? Well, his hyper-kinetic energy idea has never really sat well with
me. The man doesn't strike me as a particle physicist, so maybe he just made
up his own explanation. Maybe he absorbs microwaves or something. And note
how Cyke's eyes looked when his optic blasts were restrained by Jean's TK
force waaaaay back. Weren't they brown-on-black or something, much like
Gambit's red-on-black?
*Gambit strikes me as being cut from the same cloth as Corsair, more of the
rugged adventurer, less of the tightly-wound Scottness about him (which Scott
evidently got from his mother).
*BUT* I no longer believe this. Witness the ever-convenient introduction of
X-Treme, Adam X. (Yeah, he was an Annual character. He's getting his own
action figure. If you can explain this, investigate Whitewater for us.)
This new character (brought to us by the SAME MAN who let Sinister "slip up"
to Scott in Unadjectived #23) has markings and tendencies of speech that
indicate he is what, half-Shi'ar? Say, the product of a human woman and a
male Shi'ar, perhaps? Like Scott's not-so-dead mother? (I pity the person
that tries to draw the family tree. That would make her Tyler's great-
grandmother. Sigh....) He has mutant abilities and was tested by Arcade in
his latest X-Force romp for a man named "Milbury," a known Sinister alias, and
whose family line does Sinister have an interest in (although this is the first
time Sinister's shown acquaintance with aliens, but after Inferno, who the
hell, pun unintended, knows?)?
Just ideas. Nothing more.
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: I MAY have missed something (but I doubt it), but exactely HOW did
: everyone come up with the idea that Gambit is really a summers
: (I know Marvel doesn't rely on evidence, but does anybody have any)?
: Also, in reference to Bishop being Storm's kid or grandkid--why the hell
: does EVERYTHING ALWYAS HAVE TO BE RELATED IN X-MEN--hey, maybe they are
: ALL family--yeah.
Nah you all missed something, it's Mr. Sinister who is the other summers
brother. After all why do you think he's so interested in the summers line ?
Old corsair had his fun as a kid (before he married scott and Alex's mother)
as a result Sinister is the older illegitimate summer..
It all makes sense :)
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>I MAY have missed something (but I doubt it), but exactely HOW did
>everyone come up with the idea that Gambit is really a summers
>(I know Marvel doesn't rely on evidence, but does anybody have any)?
Well, for meself, the rumour came from HERO Illustrated rumour
column. But the rest of racx may have heard from a more reliable
source.
Wolf
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>Nah you all missed something, it's Mr. Sinister who is the other summers
>brother. After all why do you think he's so interested in the summers line ?
>Old corsair had his fun as a kid (before he married scott and Alex's mother)
>as a result Sinister is the older illegitimate summer..
>It all makes sense :)
>Regards (and awaiting flames)
This is my first posting (and I SWEAR, I don't meant to flame you!),
but if Sinister was to be the third Summers brother, then why on Earth
would he be so interested in Scott's and Alex's DNA? (mutant matrix, or
whatever he refers to it as.) He would possess it too, and would have no
need for them.
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>VITALE, MARK (mar...@violet.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote:
>
>Nah you all missed something, it's Mr. Sinister who is the other summers
>brother. After all why do you think he's so interested in the summers line ?
Nah. You haven't been reading current X-Men letters pages. There IS a third
Summers brother and it is NOT Sinister. Think about it (this one is so simple
that even MARVEL can get it--in fact they suggested it): if Sinister was the
third Summers bro, then WHY would he need Summers DNA??? He could just
sample himself.
>Old corsair had his fun as a kid (before he married scott and Alex's mother)
>as a result Sinister is the older illegitimate summer
>It all makes sense :)>
Actually it makes NO sense. Sinister is a shape-shifting android, probably
like the T-1000. He has pointed teeth (!) and lots of malibility.
Gambit sucks as a choice.
X-treme works. Why? Simple, a dead person (Cyke's and Hav's mom) gets to
come back from the dead. Marvel's favorite passtime.
>Regards (and awaiting flames)
IZZ...@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
>brother. After all why do you think he's so interested in the summers line ?
>
optic blast if the Summers family line can't hurt one another (re:
X-Tinction Agenda, Alex vs. Scott)? Mr. Sinister can't be part of the
Summers family tree. Gambit? Hey, that's pretty good. Bob, doesn't
know what's he doing anyways. X-Treme? Isn't Corsair a regular human?
If Mr. and Mrs. Summers were both human, how could X-Treme be half
Shi'ar and still be a brother??
i
David R. Henry
>This is my first posting (and I SWEAR, I don't meant to flame you!),
>but if Sinister was to be the third Summers brother, then why on Earth
>would he be so interested in Scott's and Alex's DNA? (mutant matrix, or
>whatever he refers to it as.) He would possess it too, and would have no
>need for them.
With an idea like that, Paul, what kept you? This is the first idea I'd
actually believe about the third brother, since only Sinister would be
so stupid as to spend all this time trying to get Scott's DNA when
he could have just bashed himself in the nose and gotten the material
that way. I'd actually believe it.
Okay, he wouldn't have to bash himself in the nose. He could just take
a skin sample or something. Still, the thought is highly appealing.
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executioners song when sinister got scott and jean he was screwing around
with scott's DNA and he found out that he could create a being with great
power he gets his scientist to help him but he dies(legacy virus). Sinister
then tries to make it himself he can't control him and the clone runs away.
The powers the clone has are a mix of Jean, Alex and Scott(Remmy?) which
sinister has collected from their DNA over the years. The clone then gets
picked up by that guy in the x-force annual and that bring you up to now.
This theroy may not hold together but hey this is marvel. It will probably
all be told in a big cross-over when they find the cure for the legacy
virus. Sinister will be in the middle of the whole thing and someone will
die or get paralized....ect. A typical marvel move.
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mar...@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (VITALE, MARK) wrote:
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> X-treme works. Why? Simple, a dead person (Cyke's and Hav's mom) gets to
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> come back from the dead. Marvel's favorite passtime.
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>>Subject: Re: 3rd Summers Brother
>
>>Nah you all missed something, it's Mr. Sinister who is the other summers
>>brother. After all why do you think he's so interested in the summers line ?
>
>>Old corsair had his fun as a kid (before he married scott and Alex's mother)
>>as a result Sinister is the older illegitimate summer..
>
>>It all makes sense :)
>
>>Regards (and awaiting flames)
Yeah, it DOES make sense. You see, sinister came from the future, did the wild
thing with scott and Alex's mother, and he was born. And since Sinister
couldn't be his own father, paradoxically speaking, he doesn't really exist,
hence his invulnerability to just about everything. He's some kind of jelly,
and he needs the summers DNA in order to create himself and be formed in this
reality.
Jonathaner
(I was only kidding...sheeesh!)
Richard S Mcnabb
to intimidate Scott when he was at the foster home. Nowhere have I seen
anything about him being a Summer himself. From what I got he just didn
t like Scott because Scott was different. Mr. Sinister may have been
retconned since I left though so...
hasta all,
Macanaba
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members of the X creative/writing staff they pretty much came out and told him
that Gambit was the third Summers brother. He said that it will be revealed la
ter in '94 or early '95.
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Nope, Sinister ran the orphanage.
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What if Sinister WAS a Summers, that thru some manipulation gained these
awesome powers that he has, but it cost him his original DNA. At first he was
satisfied, but due to the change was unable to have children. Realizing...
perhaps egotistically...that his original family was perhaps one of the most
powerful mutant ones on earth, he strove to find a suitible mate for one of
his brothers. He obtained Jean's genes...haha....and found that she was
suitable. Before he could manipulate a child tho, she died. So he cloned the
tissue, and got Maddy, setting his brother up, because he knew that the
illusion would snare him, but not keep him. Then, he decided to erase his
evidence by killing Maddy, now that he had captured the baby.
However, this was foiled by the x people, as Maddy escaped, and the baby was
eventually reclaimed, before Sinister could raise him.
Then, after his 'destruction' in Infero by Cyke, Sinister reformed
himself, but was damaged. His cell structure was breaking down rapidly. He
needed to convert himself back, but without the DNA of Summers, he couldn't.
So, his new quest for Scott's....the closest in age...DNA began. The Legacy
virus overloaded his powers, keeping his degeneration slowed by his overloaded
regeneration power.
It's hokey but.....
Yuen
|In article <2m7ifr$h...@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>, umyu...@cc.umanitoba.ca (Yuen) writes:
|> I have trouble with this 3rd Summers brother gossip. Mainly why
|> doesn't Cyclops and Havok's father Corsair mention anything about a third son.
|> Why doesn't somebody just ask him!!!!!
|>
|Uh, because after intercourse, men don't have a direct, biological involvment
|with reproduction, and he could perhaps not be aware of having another
|child?
|Irresponsible, maybe. It happens, though.
Are, we forgeting though that Cyclops and Havok's mother is dead,
killed by the Shiar King(I forget his title, and rank). Also I believe
Corsair and his Wife had a better relationship than most in the Marvel
Universe. So the only possibly for a third brother is by Mrs. Corsair
giving up the baby, genetically engineered brother, or maybe Mrs. Corsair
was previously married to somebody else? hmmmmm...
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> In <1994Mar16...@drunivac.drew.edu> pc...@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul Coen)>
> Are, we forgeting though that Cyclops and Havok's mother is dead,
> killed by the Shiar King(I forget his title, and rank). Also I believe
> Corsair and his Wife had a better relationship than most in the Marvel
> Universe. So the only possibly for a third brother is by Mrs. Corsair
> giving up the baby, genetically engineered brother, or maybe Mrs. Corsair
> was previously married to somebody else? hmmmmm...
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i've had a little theory floating around in the back of my head about this
third summers brother.
it explains (possible) x-treme as the third brother (this is why i asked
about x-treme in the first place). perhaps, kate summers wasn't killed
when corsair thought she was. i don't remember if they ever showed us her
getting killed, but let's face it, even when they do show the death it's
not always true. then x-treme (or someone else) would be the result of
her rape/capture.
so maybe, the third summer is from the mother. we've been assuming that it's
corsair's genes which are important, maybe in this case the mom's genes are
what's important.
if this has been covered earlier (or later in my case) sorry. just thought
i'd add my thoughts.
loren (back from break and over 200 messages to go)
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They did this some weeks ago.
Kevin
I know the whole thing about Gambit's origin is slated for, I believe, X-Men
#33, but I'm not positive.
Phantom
> Keywords: Marvel have officially revealed that it is Gambit.
> They did this some weeks ago.
Where was this announced?
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b.p.pattnaik", Computer Science (cad...@cad.strath.ac.uk) wrote:
> Keywords: Marvel have officially revealed that it is Gambit.
> They did this some weeks ago.
Hmmmmm....on the Americal OnLine X-Men board, Fabian Nicieza (posting under the
handle PSIWay) led us to believe that the 3rd brother was none other than Adam
X (X-Treme). There has been much speculation as to his actual lineage, but most
have accepted that he will be revealed as the 3rd Smothers...oooops....Summers
brother.
BTW...this is my very first post ever on the Internet....hope I followed all
those netiquette rules and didn't offend anyone! :) I've been reading
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VITALE, MARK
Gambit or X-Cutioner, huh?
My bet would go to Gambit for a couple of reasons.
It is pretty evident that originally Gambit was intended to be some sort
of Psi, a low level telepath at least. In fact, I think it might have been
intended for him to be some sort of a "fallen" Longshot. Clues pointing to
this were in #266 where he finds kid Storm and says "If you are who I think
you are, then I want to find out how you got so good and young." In #273
when Gambit and Wolverine are fighting Gambit's eye glows (like Longshot's),
he somehow activates the Lady Deathstrike hologram, and Wolverine thinks
"moves a lot like Longshot." hmmmm.
At any rate, that has all been dropped. Now Gambit absorbs energy from the
sun to power his "charging" ability. Now he has an energy progjection
ability (versus psi) similar to Havok and Cyclops.
Gambit does look similar to Cyclops, but this may just be an artists' choice,
and cannot be considered reliable (check out Joe Maduras version in UXM #312).
One thing though, Gambit (although not as beef-cakey as Cyke has been of late)
looks older than either Cyclops or Havok. I know that everybody is thinking
that the 3rd brother had a different mother, but the way events are shapping
up, I don't think this is the case.
Gambit and Cyclops look alot more similar than Cyclops and Havok
do. The obvious (and only real reliable feature) is the hair color. A pure
yellow blond (quite rare in mature men) versus a dark brown. We know that
the woman who raised Cyclops and HAvok (before she died in a plane crash) was
blond. Being a Biochem major I could go into a genetics discussion, but it
is worthless, as Marvel won't use that as a basis.
I would wager to say that Corsair had two sons (Scott and Remy (?))
with one woman, and then had Alex with another woman. Somewhere along the
way Gambit was adopted in New Orleans (possible Sinister plot?) while Scott
and Alex headed to Sinister's orphanage.
But wait you say. Sinister is after Summer's DNA, and since no
interest has been shown in Gambit, his DNA must be different. Actually, I
do have proof that Alex and Scott could be half brothers (yes, I know there
is that stupid energy repelling thing, which has NO basis at all). Remember
waaay back in Inferno, where Sinister tells Scott that the reason Alex was
adopted was because he had no use or interest in him, so he let him go. Albeit
he kept tabs on the kids whereabouts, but Sinister seems liuke the kind of guy
to do that anyway. Gambit must have been unknown to Sinister (hmm, Star Wars
Aleegory, hide kids from evil guy).
Sinister has not done anything significant against the X-people
(outside of X-Cutioner's Song and the original New X-Factor arc) since Inferno,
which was pre-Gambit issues.
Therefore, Gambit has not ever met Mr. Sinister and not been placed
in situation to show Sinister's interest in him.
This seems to make sense (without major retcons) but things don't
always happen that way at Marvel. I could be off base, but it doesn't seem
so.
Jason J Rownd
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Paul O'Brien
>Gambit or X-Cutioner, huh?
>My bet would go to Gambit for a couple of reasons.
I'm fairly sure it's going to be Gambit. Apart from the fact that he's
a hot character, it does make a degree of sense. And remember those
early appearances when he had red glowing eyes - more or less like
Cyclops's? Besides which, there's been all the press reports.
>intended for him to be some sort of a "fallen" Longshot. Clues pointing to
>this were in #266 where he finds kid Storm and says "If you are who I think
>you are, then I want to find out how you got so good and young."
I'm not sure about this one. I think he probably just saw pictures of
the X-Men already (possibly when they died on TV), recognised Storm by
her powers and unusual appearance, and put two and two together.
> But wait you say. Sinister is after Summer's DNA, and since no
>interest has been shown in Gambit, his DNA must be different. Actually, I
>do have proof that Alex and Scott could be half brothers (yes, I know there
>is that stupid energy repelling thing, which has NO basis at all). Remember
>waaay back in Inferno, where Sinister tells Scott that the reason Alex was
>adopted was because he had no use or interest in him, so he let him go. Albeit
>he kept tabs on the kids whereabouts, but Sinister seems liuke the kind of guy
>to do that anyway. Gambit must have been unknown to Sinister (hmm, Star Wars
>Aleegory, hide kids from evil guy).
Cyclops's origin story always has him and Alex jumping from the plane
together in the one parachute - no mention of a third brother. This
means that if Gambit was already alive, he must have been seperated from
the family already. Presumably he's either a half-brother, most likely
by Corsair, or he was put up for adoption.
As for the energy repelling thing, as far as I know we've never seen
Gambit use his powers on Cyclops or Havok (or vice versa). It might
always work.
It's going to be Gambit. We may as well get used to it.
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: As for the energy repelling thing, as far as I know we've never seen
: Gambit use his powers on Cyclops or Havok (or vice versa). It might
: always work
I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think during the X-Men/X-Factor
X-Over on Muir Island, during the Shadow King saga, Cyclops decked
Gambit with his optic beam, and Jubilee said something to the effect
of the fact that Gambit was down, and he had never seen anyone do
that.
'Course, if my memory is correct on this, it could still be Gambit,
as long as he's a half-brother, or Marvel decides that it was a
one-time thing involving sunsposts. Still, the odds that you would
find TWO long-lost brothers who are X-Men...sheesh(well, yeah, Alex
only counts half, but still)
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>> I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think during the X-Men/X-Factor
>> X-Over on Muir Island, during the Shadow King saga, Cyclops decked
>> Gambit with his optic beam, and Jubilee said something to the effect
>> of the fact that Gambit was down, and he had never seen anyone do
>> that.
>Okay... I have been trying to stay outta this thread, but... Havok and
>Cyclods can be affected by the Kinetic force behind their own and each
>others blasts, but not the energy force. Therefore, if Gambit is the
>brother, and if he is immune to Cyclops's powers, he could have very
>well been thrown against a wall, or knocked out by Cyke.
>-Mav
Yeah, but I thought that Cyclops beam was a kinetic force rather than an
energy force. I'm not sure though. Also, in the X-tinction Agenda, when
Alex and Scott were fighting it out, they were attacking each other but
neither of them were being knocked back. And weren't they actually getting
bigger and stronger from each others powers? That would mean that Gambit
would have gotten bigger and stronger.
Well, I didn't want to get into this whole third summers bro.
arguement, but I guess I've been sucked in. I do believe someone stated
that Mr. Sinister did not actually state that there was a third brother,
just that there were other 'brothers'. This could mean there is a whole
slew of them (AGGGGGGGHHHHHH!). Anyways, I've been reading the issues with
Adam X, and have a feeling that he is going to be a Summers. He's got a
simple first name, not like REMY, but Adam. You know Scott, Alex, pretty
plain names. Secondly, in Adam's first appearance, he's working for some
guy named Strong, who is from earth, and knew Adam's history. Cable knew
who Strong was, though I don't think we've ever heard of him before, so
there may be some connection. Thirdly ht ewhole business with Adam looking
Shi'ar and human isn't all that bad. So Mama Summers didn't die, got raped
by one of the Shi'ar guards, and produced Adam. He does look alot younger
than Scott and Alex, so continuity is screwed up. Fourthly, Adam's whole
purpose in life is to find out is heritage. Well the Summer's family line
is quite the heritage. Finally, maybe Adam is the X-traitor. It is stated
that the reason Adam wants to find his heritage is so he can stop his
destiny of destroying eart. Yup, check it out in the X-Force Annual. That'
s what he says. So all these stupid plot lines can be connected to Adam X,
we kill him, and there over, plain and simple! Besides, do we need another
hero with knives all over his body, who throws spikes, and was born and
breed to be a warrior! C'mon, it's getting old!
Well, I'm in a pissy mood, which may explain y babbling, and what ever I
wrote probably doesn't make any sense so I'll stop now!
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> Anyways, I've been reading the issues with
> Adam X, and have a feeling that he is going to be a Summers.
> Thirdly ht ewhole business with Adam looking
> Shi'ar and human isn't all that bad. So Mama Summers didn't die, got raped
> by one of the Shi'ar guards, and produced Adam. He does look alot younger
> than Scott and Alex, so continuity is screwed up.
Actually, it makes more sense if Adam X is the son of Corsair (Christopher
Summers) and a female Shi'ar. Hey, it could happen! The StarJammers have
often been sighted in Shi'ar space, so anything is possible.
Oh, heck; while I'm free-associating...
What if the Shi'ar female that Corsair got it on with just happened to be
another sister of Lilandra? That would sorta make Professor Xavier Scott's
uncle-in-law!
No, no! Better yet! The Shi'ar female was Xavier and Lilandra's daughter!
That would help explain the blond hair and the neat-o goatee (see the issue
where Xavier reminisces about losing his legs...blond moustache & goatee!!!)
And, and, and Jean Grey was adopted by the Grey's after her mother, a charming
redhead died of exhaustion on their doorstep after handing them her newborn
daughter. Her last words were "Charles Xavier is the father." Assuming that
powers are somewhat genetic, that would explain Jean's powerful TP ability.
And also Xavier's interest in training her and bringing her up right. It would
also make Jean and Scott some kind of cousins-in-law.
No, wait! Genetic ability is passed through the *mother*, so, the charming
redhead is Xavier's long-lost cousin, whose sister developed a really deep blue
tan upon reaching puberty and shifted into the villain we all know and love,
Mystique!
There. Now the two largest families in the X-Universe are joined into one huge
mess, tidying up many loose ends and spawning gobs of angst in the process. :-)
I gotta run now, the men in white coats have discovered my secret broadcasting
location...
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(Yet another X-fan's mind crumbles whilst pondering the intricacies of the
X-people) :-)
Aardy R. DeVarque
David R. Henry
>Cyclods can be affected by the Kinetic force behind their own and each
>others blasts, but not the energy force.
I'm assuming Mav, above, here means energy in the generic, Champions
sense as a "power" that causes damage not from force. The trouble with
the above is, Cyclops' eyeblasts are all kinetic, with no "energy" (in
real life kinism is energy, of course, but in real life people don't
shoot beams out of their eyes, either, so that's that).
Cyke and Havok are completely immune to each other's attacks (except a
good left hook, of course), as well as their own. It's magic, that's
what it is!
"Hit me, daddy, eight to the bar."
VITALE, MARK
Okay, since I inveriatably started this, lets see if I can finish it
(or at leaste clear thins up)
When Alex and Scott were fighting in Genosha, they weren't growing bigger
and stronger--that was just Jon Bogdanove's lousy art.
Second Gambit was knocked out by Cyclop's eye beam, but no damage was done.
I would think that constitutes an immunity. Besides, the whole thing isd
ludicrous.
As for not forgetting about his hypnotic charm--Multpile Man was included
in the ranks of X-Factor. So I guess there are mistakes.
Jeff Oyler
him. In Marvel Superheroes the roleplaying game it states this. As long
as he is talking, they cannot fight him without outside interference. He
uses it again in the Gambit limited series when he cons the lighter and
cigarette out of the thugs who were supposed to kill him. There might be
another bit of proof about him being the 3rd brother. Cyclops and Alex
need an object to control their powers (if Alex doesn't need it anymore
he used to, remember the black suit.). Gambit's throwing objects regulate
his power because he can't just blast anything, he needs to charge an
object with the explosive blast. If he is the 3rd brother, I can live
with the change, albeit distasteful. About the statement on the topic of
there being more than just the three, Adam X would be a prime candidate
for another brother, he also needs some outside force to take a hand to
use his power ( the contact of air with blood) but I still need to do a
little bit more research on him, I think they foreshadowed his arrival
earlier on in the books somewhere. I think he is the X-traitor. I also
believe that the X-traitor is part of the Summers' "clan". Think about
it, the most important family, but why? The X-traitor comes from that
family! Gotta get back to the books, C-ya.
Havok
Paul M. Liss
> Gambit does have the power to persuade people into not fighting
>him. In Marvel Superheroes the roleplaying game it states this.
Oh, well, there we have it. End of discussion. :)
>another bit of proof about him being the 3rd brother. Cyclops and Alex
>need an object to control their powers (if Alex doesn't need it anymore
>he used to, remember the black suit.). Gambit's throwing objects regulate
>his power because he can't just blast anything, he needs to charge an
>object with the explosive blast.
True.
>If he is the 3rd brother, I can live
>with the change, albeit distasteful.
Grit your teeth like the rest of us!
>I also
>believe that the X-traitor is part of the Summers' "clan". Think about
>it, the most important family, but why? The X-traitor comes from that
>family! Gotta get back to the books, C-ya.
This is an excellent idea. I wouldn't have given the writers writers
credit for such guile.
Paul
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Chris Holly
> >Okay... I have been trying to stay outta this thread, but... Havok and
> >Cyclods can be affected by the Kinetic force behind their own and each
> >others blasts, but not the energy force.
>
> I'm assuming Mav, above, here means energy in the generic, Champions
> sense as a "power" that causes damage not from force. The trouble with
> the above is, Cyclops' eyeblasts are all kinetic, with no "energy" (in
> real life kinism is energy, of course, but in real life people don't
> shoot beams out of their eyes, either, so that's that).
>
> Cyke and Havok are completely immune to each other's attacks (except a
> good left hook, of course), as well as their own. It's magic, that's
> what it is!
>
Yes, that is what I meant... I was quoting from the OHTMUDE... hey.. I
never understood it either... i know the beams are kinetic, but it
says specifally: They are immune to all damge from each others blasts,
but not the force behind them... therefore, they may be slammed by
such blasts...(I don't have it with me, so I am paraphrasing, but that
is the gist of it.)
-Mav
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Ernie Oporto
Liss) says:
>
>>another bit of proof about him being the 3rd brother. Cyclops and Alex
>>need an object to control their powers (if Alex doesn't need it anymore
>>he used to, remember the black suit.). Gambit's throwing objects regulate
>>his power because he can't just blast anything, he needs to charge an
>>object with the explosive blast.
>
>True.
How can Gambit be a Summers? He is pretty young, and Scott's parents
disappeared into space right after the two boys were dumped from the
plane. Of course there is always the old "put up for adoption" idea...
"He was put up for adoption, though you boys never noticed that your mother
was pregnant. She just traded places with Roseann Barr for nine months."
This is too much retconning...
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VITALE, MARK
>How can Gambit be a Summers? He is pretty young, and Scott's parents
>disappeared into space right after the two boys were dumped from the
>plane. Of course there is always the old "put up for adoption" idea...
>"He was put up for adoption, though you boys never noticed that your mother
>was pregnant. She just traded places with Roseann Barr for nine months."
>This is too much retconning...
Not neccesarily. My personal theory on the subject is that Gambit and Cyclops
have the same father and mother, but Havok has a different mother. Somehow,
Gambit was separated from Corsair (mabye a divorce settlement--hey, maybe their
mother was originally from New Orleans, ad that is why Gambit ended up there).
Corsair remarries and in this second marriage Alex is born. Scott, if never
told, would probably have no idea about Gambit being his brother, especially
if Gambit was born first. Then Scott, then Alex.
Just a thought
Mark
Ernie Oporto
Gambit born first makes it much easier, but isn't Gambit younger than
those two? he always seemed to be a youngun'.
--- Ernie "Shokk" Oporto
If the first thing that pops into your mind when you hear the word "mouse" is
a hardware input device, you might just be a Techno-Weenie.
VITALE, MARK
>>if Gambit was born first. Then Scott, then Alex.
>
>Gambit born first makes it much easier, but isn't Gambit younger than
>those two? he always seemed to be a youngun'.
>--- Ernie "Shokk" Oporto
Gambit is reckless, and likes to flirt alot, but that doesn't neccessarily
make him a "youngun." He is observant (see UXM #312, XM #10) and just
his general personality (or what we think is his personality, the limited
series showed that most of his outward manner seems to be just a facade)
doesn't mean he's young.
Take a look at Spider-Man's Uncle Ben. Older guy who's fun-loving.
How about Superman's Vincint Edge? Old and mischevous, a flirt.
Cyclops looks bigger (holy beefcake, I thought he used to be called *slim),
but there really is no info on how old Gambit is (artists change from time to
time--visually is not a reliable source).
For now, I think I'll stick to the assumption Gambit is older.
Willie Seitz
I don't think that Gambit is the third summers brother. It has been very
clearly hinted that X-treme is number 3. Perhaps Gambit is #4. Sinister
mentioned brothers, not a third brother.
X-treme makes sense. Corsair had a child while a slave in space but was
separated fom his child. Wouldn't Corasair have told Scott and Alex if he
had had a third son. He told them about their grandparents. And Corasair isn't
the kind of guy to have a kid and abandon him (unless he was enslaved).
But all sorts of stories leap to mind explaining it.....
My personal theory is that Rogue and Gambit are brother and sister. Both
were essentially abandoned by their parents. And we know next to nothing
about either of their parents. Whats gonna happen???? Gambit learns he can
touch Rogue, bu t then learns it is because hshe is his sister. But then
Rogue has Belladonna isn her as well.....
Actually this would be too silly.
-willie
seave...@cobra.uni.edu
mar...@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu writes
> especially
> if Gambit was born first. Then Scott, then Alex.
But Gambit was not born first, he is much younger than Cyclops and the rest
of the original team. He and Rogue are part of a kind of second wave of X-men,
I would guess about half a generation (8-10 yrs) younger than the original team
and about the same older than Jubilee and her peers.
In issue 19 of reg. X-men, Beast is brooding about his age, and remembering
how much he and the other original X-men were like Rogue and Gambit (carefree
and innocent [I wouldn't call either innocent myself]) when they were as young
as Gambit and Rogue are.
When Gambit is named as a Summers brother he will have to be younger than
Scott.
"Don't be so humble. You're not that great." -Golda Meir
-Nyte
David R. Henry
> Gambit does have the power to persuade people into not fighting
>him. In Marvel Superheroes the roleplaying game it states this.
Once again, anything in the RPG is not canon for the comic books. It just
ain't. OHOTMU or comic book references only (and, to a lesser extent,
letter columns and creator interviews) are the only things that count.
>As long
>as he is talking, they cannot fight him without outside interference. He
>uses it again in the Gambit limited series when he cons the lighter and
>cigarette out of the thugs who were supposed to kill him.
I took those thugs to be just as typically brilliant as everybody else
in the Gambit LS (that would be roughly somewhere between a fire hydrant
and a dog), and didn't see any indication of a power in use. Admittedly,
if it was a power, it would be rather subtle.
"It seems to me I've heard that song before..."
Christopher Andrew Campbell
>Jeff Oyler writes:
>> Gambit does have the power to persuade people into not fighting
>>him. In Marvel Superheroes the roleplaying game it states this.
>
>Once again, anything in the RPG is not canon for the comic books. It just
>ain't. OHOTMU or comic book references only (and, to a lesser extent,
>letter columns and creator interviews) are the only things that count.
I agree, but he DID have this power when he was introduced...it was just
dropped for some reason.
>I took those thugs to be just as typically brilliant as everybody else
>in the Gambit LS (that would be roughly somewhere between a fire hydrant
>and a dog), and didn't see any indication of a power in use. Admittedly,
>if it was a power, it would be rather subtle.
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