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Scott Adams fired from Pacific Bell!!!!!

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E-gram

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Aug 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/10/95
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Just read it in the paper!! So what are the details - was he fired because he
was too famous, or was he not doing his job?? Will he try to get a new job so
he can keep his material fresh?? I wonder if he will decide to collect
unemployment... and how long will it be before he alters the Dilbert web
page...

- E-gram


Colin Campbell

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San Jose Mercury News, August 9:

CREATOR OF SATIRICAL 'DILBERT' DISCONNECTED BY PAC BELL
Irreverent comic strip chronicles misadventures in workplace

BERKELEY (AP) Scott Adams, creator of the irreverent workplace comic
strip "Dilbert," has lost his day job.

Adams said Tuesday he and Pacific Bell parted company June 30.

"They asked me to leave, and I did," he said simply.

Pacific Bell officials did not return a call seeking comment.

The cartoonist said he was told that he was being let go because of
budget constraints. He does not know whether his strip satirizing
management idiosyncrasies--and idiocies--played a role.

"I can't read minds, so your guess is as good as mine--why would I doubt
them?" he said in a phone interview from his home in Dublin.

Still, he said his role as management gadfly can't be discounted as a
factor.

Adams' daily comic strip chronicles long-suffering Dilbert's
misadventures at the hands of witless supervisors, experiences that have
struck a chord with many a cubicle-dweller.

Adams, who communicates with readers via electronic mail, says he
receives hundreds of missives from disgruntled workers, many of which
provide fodder for the strip.

In December, Adams did an e-mail survey of "The Top Tenn Most Irritating
Business Trends of 1994." Working with and for dummies were the top two.

An applications engineer, Adams had worked for Pacific Bell for nine
years. "Dilbert" premiered in 1989.

Adams had worked for a boss who thought Dilbert was funny, but he
recently got a new supervisor, one who came in at a time when money was
tight.

Adams said losing the job won't close his window on the workplace.

"I really hadn't used Pacific Bell as a source for a couple of years," he
said. "I get almost all of my inspiration from the Internet."

But, even though he said Dilbert now appears in about 500
newspapers,there was some separation anxiety for a man who had earned a
regular paycheck "probably since I was 16."

So will Dilbert suffer the same corporate karma as his creator?

"I can't rule that out," Adams said.

Despite the awkwardness of being given the push, Adams said the parting
was civil.

"The only issue was that my boss pleaded with me not to introduce a
character with a beard," he said.

Fat chance.

"I'm working on it," Adams said.

Dennis Sibberson

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Aug 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/11/95
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nstn...@fox.nstn.ca (E-gram) wrote:

>- E-gram

Pacific Bell is laying off a lot of folks and I think Scott Adams just
happened to be one of them. Pac Bell is restructuring a lot of it's
areas, so he is not alone.

I don't think they let him go because was lazy or because of the
strip. At least he doesn't have to take any job he doesn't like to
pay the bills just yet.

Dennis

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David C. Tuttle

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Aug 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/11/95
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Den...@ns.net (Dennis Sibberson) wrote:
>
> Pacific Bell is laying off a lot of folks and I think Scott Adams just
> happened to be one of them. Pac Bell is restructuring a lot of it's
> areas, so he is not alone.

Pac Bell, like all the baby Bells, is fighting like hell for approval
of telecommunications reform that will let them enter the lucrative
long distance market. Such a move would take a ton of capital away
from local improvements projects, like digital telephony. And Scott
Adams (Hi, Scott! :-)worked in the ISDN lab, which is experiencing
layoffs at a time when ISDN usage is just starting to take off...

Might we happen to see a series of Dilbert strips where Dilbert's
company decides to do something similar? "Let's go into the market
of building these profitable widgets." "But where will be get the
startup funds?" "Oh, just lay off a bunch of folks from our core
business..."

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Jeantheau

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Aug 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/11/95
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I read in one interview that Adams didn't need the income from the Pac
Bell job, anyway; that Dilbert was providing him with quite a nice living.
If he's in 500 papers, you can bet on it.

Bum Bill Bee

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Aug 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/14/95
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col...@crl.com (Colin Campbell) wrote:

>Adams, who communicates with readers via electronic mail, says he
>receives hundreds of missives from disgruntled workers, many of which

>provide fodder for the strip. "I really hadn't used Pacific Bell as a source

>for a couple of years," he said. "I get almost all of my inspiration from the Internet."

He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate drones he is
so quick to criticize. Where's our cut, Adams, you TECH DWEEB!?

Bum Bill Bee

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Aug 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/14/95
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jean...@aol.com (Jeantheau) wrote:

Stop sending the TECH-DWEED Adams ideas for strips and we'll see how long he
lasts! Hypocrite!

Jeantheau

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Aug 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/14/95
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>Stop sending the TECH-DWEED Adams ideas for strips and we'll see how
>long he lasts! Hypocrite!

I suspect the people who send him ideas get a kick out of seeing their
ideas in print and don't care that he makes a buck off it.

zombie

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Aug 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/14/95
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In article <40m58l$b...@its.hooked.net>, a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) wrote:

>He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate drones he is
>so quick to criticize. Where's our cut, Adams, you TECH DWEEB!?

At first, I thought this was a joke. But after 2 more just like this, I
have to ask: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? Also, why are you hiding behind a
fake "From:"?

zombie

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Bum Bill Bee

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Aug 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/14/95
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jean...@aol.com (Jeantheau) wrote:

>I suspect the people who send him ideas get a kick out of seeing their
>ideas in print and don't care that he makes a buck off it.

I guess that makes all of us the Dilberts of the world to Adams as the boss. No
wonder he has that character down so well! Lousy tech-dweeb.


Bum Bill Bee

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Aug 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/14/95
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zom...@netcom.com (zombie) wrote:

>>He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate drones he is
>>so quick to criticize. Where's our cut, Adams, you TECH DWEEB!?

>At first, I thought this was a joke. But after 2 more just like this, I
>have to ask: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?

What are you, some kinda Tech Dweeb? I think I've made myself perfectly clear!

>Also, why are you hiding behind a fake "From:"?

And I suppose your real name is "zombie"? People who throw stones, etc.


Steve Simmons

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Aug 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/14/95
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>zom...@netcom.com (zombie) wrote:

Just FYI, `Bum Bill Bee' posts from `its.hooked.net', which has the
pseudonyms `mailhost.hooked.net' and `news.hooked.net'. No-one is
logged on as I type this. They're in San Francisco:

Hooked (HOOKED-DOM)
185 Berry St.
Lobby 2/Suite 6650
San Francisco, CA 94107

Domain Name: HOOKED.NET

Administrative Contact:
Holub, David (DH102) da...@HOOKED.NET
415-281-6500
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Christensen, Stan (SC64) st...@HOOKED.NET
415-281-6650 FAX 4152816555

Record last updated on 03-Mar-94.

All this data is in the public domain. It can be obtained by examining
the message ID of the postings, the public domain name service data put
up by Hooked, and the NIC registry of sites.

Ordinarily I wouldn't care. However, `zom...@netcom.com' is a valid
mail address. `a@b.c' is not. Zombie (or rather, his system) is
following proper RFC standards for posting. `Bum Bill Bee' (or
possibly his system) is not.

This reader can distinguish between a snowball and a stone.

Ronald D. Edge

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Aug 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/14/95
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a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) wrote:
>
>He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate drones he is
>so quick to criticize. Where's our cut, Adams, you TECH DWEEB!?
>
This has got to be one of the densest takes I have ever seen!!
Does this means John Steinbeck's 'Grapes of Wrath' was built on the bones of the Okies??
Should John have looked them all up and offered them a cut?? And how about that Margaret
Mitcell. God knows even as late as the 1930's and 1940's, there were a lot of us suffering
Confederates who could have used a cut from her profits from 'Gone with the Wind' to help us
send the the last of the carpet-baggers packing and rebuild ol' Tara!!

Ron.


zombie

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Aug 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/15/95
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In article <40mvrf$6...@its.hooked.net>, a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) wrote:

>zom...@netcom.com (zombie) wrote:
>
>>>He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate
drones he is
>>>so quick to criticize. Where's our cut, Adams, you TECH DWEEB!?
>

>>At first, I thought this was a joke. But after 2 more just like this, I
>>have to ask: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
>
>What are you, some kinda Tech Dweeb? I think I've made myself perfectly clear!

Tech Dweeb? Name calling is so mature. And no you haven't. What is your
problem with Scott Adams? You appear jealous of his success. I more
power to him! And thanks for adding a bit of humor to my day.

>>Also, why are you hiding behind a fake "From:"?
>
>And I suppose your real name is "zombie"? People who throw stones, etc.

My address is a valid address. Yours in not. You can email my address.
You can email the postmaster at my site. You can do neither with your
forged address.

Bum Bill Bee

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Aug 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/16/95
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"Ronald D. Edge" <ed...@indiana.edu> wrote:

>This has got to be one of the densest takes I have ever seen!!
>Does this means John Steinbeck's 'Grapes of Wrath' was built on the bones of the Okies??
>Should John have looked them all up and offered them a cut?? And how about that Margaret
>Mitcell.

No credible author would so BRAZENLY solicit their ideas from others without
just compensation. Of course, it also is a stretch to compare the Grapes of
Wrath to Dilbert! The more appropriate comparison in this case is to Milton
Berle.


Bum Bill Bee

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Aug 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/16/95
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s...@iti.org (Steve Simmons) wrote:

>Ordinarily I wouldn't care. However, `zom...@netcom.com' is a valid
>mail address. `a@b.c' is not. Zombie (or rather, his system) is
>following proper RFC standards for posting. `Bum Bill Bee' (or
>possibly his system) is not.

Ooh, good job, Sherlock Dweeb! Let's see who you are:

Industrial Technology Institute (ITI-DOM)
P.O. Box 1485
Ann Arbor, MI 48106

Domain Name: ITI.ORG

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Simmons, Steven C. (SCS11) s...@ITI.ORG
(313) 769-4086 (FAX) (313) 769-4064

Record last updated on 22-Mar-95.

Not that I'd ordinarily care. But now that I have this critical data I can rest
easy knowing that Steve Simmons is out there, prowling the Newsgroups, pointing
out technical violations wherever they may arise.


Bum Bill Bee

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Aug 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/16/95
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zom...@netcom.com (zombie) wrote:

>Tech Dweeb? Name calling is so mature.

If the shoe fits...

>And no you haven't. What is your
>problem with Scott Adams? You appear jealous of his success.

I'll reiterate, O illiterate one. --->

He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate drones he is
so quick to criticize.

Now, can you grasp this sentence or would rather continue raising irrelevant
side issues about my name and writing style?

>My address is a valid address. You can email my address.

>You can email the postmaster at my site.

Like I'd ever want to. Sorry, Tech Dweeb, I really could care less.


Robert W. Hall

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Aug 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/16/95
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What is the problem with this 'Bum Bill Bee' ? Doesn't he/it realise that
it is the 'tech-dweebs' (I prefer the name 'technical elite') rule the world?

Rob ;-)

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zombie

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Aug 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/17/95
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In article <40s4vu$c...@its.hooked.net>, a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) wrote:

>zom...@netcom.com (zombie) wrote:
>
>>Tech Dweeb? Name calling is so mature.
>
>If the shoe fits...

Fine. You are immature.

>>And no you haven't. What is your
>>problem with Scott Adams? You appear jealous of his success.
>
>I'll reiterate, O illiterate one. --->
>
>He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate drones he is
>so quick to criticize.

*He creates* comics based on the humor he sees around him and what he is
told. He deserves the credit for creating the comics.

>Now, can you grasp this sentence or would rather continue raising irrelevant
>side issues about my name and writing style?

I did not critisize your name, unlike you did mine, but rather your
anonymous posting. Coward.

Daniel A. Hartung

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Aug 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/17/95
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In article <40s4vu$c...@its.hooked.net>, a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) wrote:
>I'll reiterate, O illiterate one. --->
>
>He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate drones he is
>so quick to criticize.

I don't see him holding a gun to their head to send him scenarios.
He still has to write the jokes. Which is pretty hard to do.

I see you're not too good at it.

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Bum Bill Bee

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Aug 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/17/95
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zom...@netcom.com (zombie) wrote:

>Fine. You are immature.

Boohoohoo!

>*He creates* comics based on the humor he sees around him and what he is
>told.

More the latter than the former as he himself admits.

>He deserves the credit for creating the comics.

Drawing them perhaps (but who really knows). What other cartoonist solicits
material from his readers?

>I did not critisize your name, unlike you did mine, but rather your
>anonymous posting. Coward.

Waaaahhhh!!!!

Mike Beede

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Aug 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/17/95
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Bum Bill Bee (a@b.c) wrote:

: [the following line is a previous poster]
:
: >He deserves the credit for creating the comics.

: Drawing them perhaps (but who really knows). What other cartoonist solicits
: material from his readers?

I suppose I should know better than to enter this thread, but what the
heck. There's that guy that drew ``They'll Do It Every Time'' from
1733 to 1991 (some more careful researcher can supply the slightly
corrected dates). It was a _long_ running strip, anyway.

This was the one that had an acknowlegement of who sent in the idea at
the bottom corner of each day's single panel.

Maybe Adams should do the same thing, though from what I've read he
probably gets the same idea from dozens of people at once. He'd
either have to pick one at random, pick the first, or publish a
``credits panel'' and move to two panels of jokes and one of credits.

I'm a little curious about the addressing thing, too. What's
controversial about Dilbert? Or are you just experimenting with
forged postings? I think the Unabomer would agree with your viewpoint
on techies and the rest of us are unlikely to take violent action.

Mike


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Ed Shuman

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Aug 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/17/95
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In <40ul4l$2...@its.hooked.net> a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) writes:

>>He deserves the credit for creating the comics.
>Drawing them perhaps (but who really knows). What other cartoonist solicits
>material from his readers?


What's WRONG with soliciting material from readers? He invites people to
send him stories about their workplace-- incidents, situations, etc. People
who WANT to do so, do. If you don't want to send your ideas to Scott, then
don't. Feel free to use them to write your OWN comic strip. (I won't be
holding my breath....)

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n ahern

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Aug 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/17/95
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In article a...@zip.eecs.umich.edu, rh...@earth.eecs.umich.edu (Robert W. Hall) writes:
>
>What is the problem with this 'Bum Bill Bee' ? Doesn't he/it realise that
>it is the 'tech-dweebs' (I prefer the name 'technical elite') rule the world?
>

'Bum Bill Bee' ("cute" name, :-/) is an in-duh-vidual who obviously
lives for flameage. This is how some people get their blood moving
during their bored and lonely days. The rest of us must rely on
calmly discussing comic strips for entertainment. Poor us ;-)!

As for me, I would tend more toward ignoring his pitiful and obvious
attempts to stir up trouble.

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Steve Silberberg

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Aug 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/17/95
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In article <eshuman....@mik.uky.edu>,

At least give those who submit ideas credit. Dave Barry regularly says, "The
following was sent in by alert reader Jethro Pignatoski" or whatever. Bill
Griffith will often give a "Tip o' the Pin" to people. You don't necessarily
have to pay people or dwell on it, but don't take other peoples ideas and make
believe they're yours.

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Tedrall

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Aug 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/17/95
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Since everyone else and their mom has posted on this string, why not me.
(1) Scott Adams doesn't solicit ideas from his readers. Including your
e-mail address on your strip isn't the same thing as asking for ideas.
It's just opening yourself up to your readers. If they want to send
ideas, well, why not read 'em?
(2) There are other strips that actually do solicit ideas. "Pluggers" by
Jeff MacNelly is an example.
(3) I seriously doubts that Scott does or even can simply commit the
e-mails he receives into strip form. If the stuff he gets is anything
like the stuff I get, he gets very raw ideas that with enough distillation
can possibly transmogrify (a tip o' the Ted to Watterson) into an actual
cartoon.
(4) Christ! The man's been fired. We should be deluging him with
sympathy, not this crap.
Ted Rall

Mark Stellmack

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Aug 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/17/95
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In a previous article, esh...@mik.uky.edu (Ed Shuman) wrote:
->In <40ul4l$2...@its.hooked.net> a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) writes:
->
->>>He deserves the credit for creating the comics.
->>Drawing them perhaps (but who really knows). What other cartoonist solicits
->>material from his readers?
->
->
->What's WRONG with soliciting material from readers? He invites people to
->send him stories about their workplace-- incidents, situations, etc. People
->who WANT to do so, do. If you don't want to send your ideas to Scott, then
->don't. Feel free to use them to write your OWN comic strip. (I won't be
->holding my breath....)
->
-------------------

Now it's gone from "It's so funny because it's true" to "It's so funny because
it was my idea." We don't have to do our own strip when we've got the cartoon
juke box at our disposal.


Cerebus The Aardvark

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Aug 18, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/18/95
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a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) writes:
>zom...@netcom.com (zombie) wrote:
>>Also, why are you hiding behind a fake "From:"?
>And I suppose your real name is "zombie"? People who throw stones, etc.

Mr. Zombie didn't say anything about a real name, he (She? It?) said a fake
From: A fake name is nothing, a fake From: means your hiding from anyone
being able to respond to you.

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BradW8

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Aug 18, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/18/95
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>>'Bum Bill Bee' ("cute" name, :-/)

A one-time-only character in a Krazy Kat strip.

Ron Asbestos Dippold

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Aug 18, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/18/95
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a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) writes:
>No credible author would so BRAZENLY solicit their ideas from others without
>just compensation. Of course, it also is a stretch to compare the Grapes of

Just compensation is seeing your idea in a Dilbert strip, and hopefully
entertaining others. You may not agree, but the people who are sending in
the ideas obviously do (I would, I'm not greedy), and that's all that really
matters. If they feel it's fair, your getting outraged on their behalf is
just theatrics. Or maybe a upset gagwriter for hire. :)

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Michael A. Chary

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Aug 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/19/95
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In a previous article, a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) says:

>zom...@netcom.com (zombie) wrote:
>
>>>He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate drones he is
>>>so quick to criticize. Where's our cut, Adams, you TECH DWEEB!?
>
>>At first, I thought this was a joke. But after 2 more just like this, I
>>have to ask: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
>
>What are you, some kinda Tech Dweeb? I think I've made myself perfectly clear!

Tell, me, have you heard of prozac? It's not just for depression anymore.

>>Also, why are you hiding behind a fake "From:"?
>
>And I suppose your real name is "zombie"? People who throw stones, etc.

Actually, zombie's been around for a good long while, and I think that is,
in fact, his name :)
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John Anderson

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Aug 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/19/95
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In <40s4vu$c...@its.hooked.net>, a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) writes:

>I'll reiterate, O illiterate one. --->
>

>He's getting rich off the labor of others just like the corporate drones he is
>so quick to criticize.
>

>Now, can you grasp this sentence or would rather continue raising irrelevant
>side issues about my name and writing style?

But the irrelevant side issues are so much more interesting...

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Gwillim Law

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Aug 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/21/95
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In article <40ul4l$2...@its.hooked.net>, a@b.c (Bum Bill Bee) writes:
>
> What other cartoonist [than Scott Adams] solicits
> material from his readers?
>
Jimmy Hatlo's panel cartoon "They'll do it Every Time" invariably
included an acknowledgement to a reader who had submitted his gripe in
order to see it immortalized in print. Al Capp asked "Li'l Abner" fans
to send in grotesque sketches for his character Lena the Hyena. Chic
Young asked "Blondie" readers to suggest names for one of Blondie and
Dagwood's children. Recently, "Luann" asked readers to design fashions
for its characters. The Sunday "Marmaduke" includes the misnamed
section "Dog-gone Funny", where readers' pets' didoes are featured.

Several cartoonists are including their E-mail addresses in their
cartoons. They may only be looking for compliments or criticism, but
I'm sure they get some messages that start out, "I had an idea that
would be perfect for your cartoon."

-- Gwillim Law

Bum Bill Bee

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Aug 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/21/95
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ste...@onramp.net (Steve Silberberg) wrote:

>At least give those who submit ideas credit. Dave Barry regularly says, "The
>following was sent in by alert reader Jethro Pignatoski" or whatever. Bill
>Griffith will often give a "Tip o' the Pin" to people. You don't necessarily
>have to pay people or dwell on it, but don't take other peoples ideas and make
>believe they're yours.

Awright, an intelligent suggestion instead of the endless Tech-Dweeb
Adams-worship my contrarian post has brought forth. Congratulations to Messrs.
Silverberg and Beede for thinking for themselves! And to the rest of you: Tech
Dweeb, Tech DWEEB, TECH DWEEB!


Bum Bill Bee

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na...@motsat.sat.mot.com (n ahern) wrote:

>As for me, I would tend more toward ignoring his pitiful and obvious
>attempts to stir up trouble.

Doesn't seem to have affected you, eh, Nanc?


Ted Hering

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Aug 23, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/23/95
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GL> Several cartoonists are including their E-mail addresses in their
GL> cartoons. They may only be looking for compliments or criticism,
GL> I'm sure they get some messages that start out, "I had an idea tha
GL> would be perfect for your cartoon."
GL>
GL> -- Gwillim Law

I guess if I were a cartoonist, I'd be afraid the "perfect idea" would
be something plagerized from a source I didn't recognize.

Thanx for the interesting history of cartoons who solicited reader
response.


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Captain Nerd

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Aug 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/24/95
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In article <419ck8$g...@its.hooked.net>, Bum Bill Bee <a@b.c> wrote:
>Dweeb, Tech DWEEB, TECH DWEEB!


Okay, folks, here's the deal: This guy is obviously one of those
alt.syntax.tactical folks, the same group that ruined rec.pets.cats
by inciting mindless flame wars. He doesn't care about Scot Adams,
he doesn't care about your replies, and he doesn't give a flaming
rat's ass in hell about comic strips, he just gets his jollies by
making people mad. I suspect it's one of those sexual inadequacy
things, or he may just be mentally deficient. Either way, it's best
to just ignore him. If your news software supports it, I suggest
adding his address to your killfile. Or, just go on to the next
post when you see his name in the header. Simple. Like him. He
isn't going to say anything that's worth reading, and he's not worth
getting upset over.

Cap.
( Oh, yeah. *plonk*! )

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David Haldane

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On Thursday, August 10, 1995 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Colin Campbell wrote:
> San Jose Mercury News, August 9:
> CREATOR OF SATIRICAL 'DILBERT' DISCONNECTED BY PAC BELL
> Irreverent comic strip chronicles misadventures in workplace
> BERKELEY (AP) Scott Adams, creator of the irreverent workplace comic
> strip "Dilbert," has lost his day job.
> Adams said Tuesday he and Pacific Bell parted company June 30.
> "They asked me to leave, and I did," he said simply.
> Pacific Bell officials did not return a call seeking comment.
> The cartoonist said he was told that he was being let go because of
> budget constraints. He does not know whether his strip satirizing
> management idiosyncrasies--and idiocies--played a role.
> "I can't read minds, so your guess is as good as mine--why would I doubt
> them?" he said in a phone interview from his home in Dublin.
> Still, he said his role as management gadfly can't be discounted as a
> factor.
> Adams' daily comic strip chronicles long-suffering Dilbert's
> misadventures at the hands of witless supervisors, experiences that have
> struck a chord with many a cubicle-dweller.
> Adams, who communicates with readers via electronic mail, says he
> receives hundreds of missives from disgruntled workers, many of which
> provide fodder for the strip.
> In December, Adams did an e-mail survey of "The Top Tenn Most Irritating
> Business Trends of 1994." Working with and for dummies were the top two.
> An applications engineer, Adams had worked for Pacific Bell for nine
> years. "Dilbert" premiered in 1989.
> Adams had worked for a boss who thought Dilbert was funny, but he
> recently got a new supervisor, one who came in at a time when money was
> tight.
> Adams said losing the job won't close his window on the workplace.
> "I really hadn't used Pacific Bell as a source for a couple of years," he
> said. "I get almost all of my inspiration from the Internet."
> But, even though he said Dilbert now appears in about 500
> newspapers,there was some separation anxiety for a man who had earned a
> regular paycheck "probably since I was 16."
> So will Dilbert suffer the same corporate karma as his creator?
> "I can't rule that out," Adams said.
> Despite the awkwardness of being given the push, Adams said the parting
> was civil.
> "The only issue was that my boss pleaded with me not to introduce a
> character with a beard," he said.
> Fat chance.
> "I'm working on it," Adams said.


Per his tweet today, he was fired for being racist. https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1630186244327227393

M N

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Aug 23, 2023, 12:07:11 PM8/23/23
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Browsing the archive I'm shocked to see someone reviving the conversation 30 years later. Heh ok I'll play too.

I don't think Scott is saying he was fired for being racist, I think he's meaning he was fired by a white person for being white. It's some veiled dig at affirmative action or something like that Scott is often dodgy and vague in his communications. Also lol at Scott Adams identifying as black, yeah I can just see this middle manager wanabee pale as a sheet and raised in an almost all white town in the northeast identifying with black culture.

I think Scott was just part of a downsizing operation, particularly if he was part of pacbell's ISDN group, by 1995 analog modems were pretty fast and DSL was on the horizon. There were murmurs of cable internet. Shrinking that group would have made a lot of sense. Make no mistake I have no doubt that Scott Adams is capable of making racist statements of the sort that get people fired as demonstrated by the mass cancellation of his strip.

John W Kennedy

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Aug 23, 2023, 7:25:44 PM8/23/23
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I seem to recall him touting ISDN as the Wave of the Future back then.

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Pluted Pup

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Sep 13, 2023, 5:55:42 PM9/13/23
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 16:25:32 -0700, John W Kennedy wrote:

> On 8/23/23 12:07 PM, M N wrote:
> > On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 5:43:59???PM UTC-5, David Haldane wrote:
So quote the twitter! You can't depend on third parties
to keep their posts available for others to see, so
to quote the tweet: (do you think he's serious and do
you read enough Dilbert?):

> > > https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1630186244327227393

I've lost three careers to direct racism so far. Crocker Bank, Pacific Bell, and cartooning.

All three were perpetrated by White people for their own gain.

No Black person has ever discriminated against me. That's partly why I identified as Black for several years.

> >
> > Browsing the archive I'm shocked to see someone reviving the conversation 30 years later. Heh ok I'll play too.
> >
> > I don't think Scott is saying he was fired for being racist, I think he's meaning he was fired by a white person for being white. It's some veiled dig at affirmative action or something like that Scott is often dodgy and vague in his communications. Also lol at Scott Adams identifying as black, yeah I can just see this middle manager wanabee pale as a sheet and raised in an almost all white town in the northeast identifying with black culture.
> >
> > I think Scott was just part of a downsizing operation, particularly if he was part of pacbell's ISDN group, by 1995 analog modems were pretty fast and DSL was on the horizon. There were murmurs of cable internet. Shrinking that group would have made a lot of sense. Make no mistake I have no doubt that Scott Adams is capable of making racist statements of the sort that get people fired as demonstrated by the mass cancellation of his strip.
>
> I seem to recall him touting ISDN as the Wave of the Future back then.

I just read his ISDN installation strips from 1997, where
Dilbert is thrilled to have 128 kps internet, from
the now banned book Journey to Cubeville.

Which do you think is better: 28 kbs or 128 kbs?


John W Kennedy

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Sep 13, 2023, 7:55:17 PM9/13/23
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I meant outside the strip—in a newsletter, or the front matter of a
book. He was arguing that telcos were more experienced at multipoint
half-duplex than cable companies, who knew only how to do simplex, and
that, therefore, ISDN would get the job done better. In the event, of
course, ISDN pretty much laid an egg; even telcos were soon switching to
DSL. (I personally went with my cable company because my block—only my
block—was, for no stated reason, excluded from Verizon DSL service, so
when Optimum drove a truck down the street handing out do-it-yourself
broadband Internet to all their existing cable customers, I jumped at it.

Lynn McGuire

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Sep 15, 2023, 5:56:20 PM9/15/23
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Not the most necro reply that I have seen but, definitely up in the top ten.

Lynn

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