Today's Dilbert...What's the deal?
Steven Graziano
Does Scott Adams have something against Bill Griffith? Todays strip was a
pretty open attack on his strip...what's the story?
-Curious...
Steven Graziano
HPrill
>Does Scott Adams have something against Bill Griffith? Todays strip was a
>pretty open attack on his strip...what's the story?
I think he just chose a derivative name. Zippy is not exactly "crammed with
art" nor does it have a single joke. Indeed, Griffith and Adams are probably
annoyed by a lot of the same things.
Kuno Christoffel
Steven Graziano (gr...@inreach.com) wrote:
> Does Scott Adams have something against Bill Griffith? Todays strip was a
> pretty open attack on his strip...what's the story?
Theory: Is this a response to that bitter Zippy they ran a week or two ago
where the two old ladies talk about how they read those lesser strips like
"Cathy" and "Fox Trot", while not appreciating the intellectual brilliance
of "that awful clown wearing a dress"?
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Kuno (Likes Zippy, hates Cathy, still thinks Scott is right) Christoffel
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Jym Dyer
> Is this a response to that bitter Zippy they ran a week or
> two ago where the two old ladies talk about how they read
> those lesser strips like "Cathy" and "Fox Trot", while not
> appreciating the intellectual brilliance of "that awful clown
> wearing a dress"?
=o= I don't think that strip was bitter at all. Don't forget,
it was Bill Amend who did the switcheroo with Bill Griffith
on April 1st last year. I presume they're on good terms.
Are we having a punchline yet?
<_Jym_>
TonyMyers1
Well - Griffith has fired the first shot. There have been several strips where
he mentioned his disgust for dilbert (the zeep and peep strips are just one
example - the www.cantdrawtoowell.com strip another - I bet there are a dozen
more) . Still it was stupid for Adams to to try to make fun of Zippy. It's like
The Monkees giving a review of a Beatles album.
They're not really even in the same buisness.
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Jake Kesinger
Jym Dyer (j...@igc.org) wrote:
: > Is this a response to that bitter Zippy they ran a week or
: > two ago where the two old ladies talk about how they read
: > those lesser strips like "Cathy" and "Fox Trot", while not
: > appreciating the intellectual brilliance of "that awful clown
: > wearing a dress"?
: =o= I don't think that strip was bitter at all. Don't forget,
: it was Bill Amend who did the switcheroo with Bill Griffith
^^^^^^^^^^
: on April 1st last year. I presume they're on good terms.
IKYM``Bil Keane.''HTH.
==Jake
Christopher Shea
In article <6jslkj$9...@ttacs7.ttu.edu>, kesi...@math.ttu.edu (Jake
Kesinger) wrote:
Um, no. It was -Scott Adams- and Keane who switched.
As for Dilbert: had it been a one-time thing, I would have written it off
as a cheap shot. Beating up on Zippy two days in a row, however, smacks of
gratuitous bullying.
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Christopher Shea
cs...@dcdu.com
That's ChrisTOPHER, not Chris, dammit.
Caius Marcius
In <cshea-19059...@dial25.dcdu.com> cs...@dcdu.com (Christopher
Shea) writes:
>
>As for Dilbert: had it been a one-time thing, I would have written it
off
>as a cheap shot. Beating up on Zippy two days in a row, however,
smacks of
>gratuitous bullying.
I suppose the real joke here is on Adams - Zippy remains obscure enough
that I imagine a sizable chunk of Dilbert's readers will have no idea
what he's talking about. But Griffith can take care of himself, and we
may await an all-out counterstrike in the days ahead.
And no one could ever possibly accuse Scott Adams of putting too much
art into his strips (or any art at all for that matter).
- CMC
BradW8
>>As for Dilbert: had it been a one-time thing, I would have written it off
as a cheap shot. Beating up on Zippy two days in a row, however, smacks of
gratuitous bullying.<<
Adams zinged Griffy two days in a row; Griffy has nicked Scott several times
over the past few years, but spaced out. (In more than one sense.) He's done
strips of nothing but talking cubicles ("Cubicles are funny. Heh heh.") He did
a strip of Zippy surfing the web (1st panel: "Dilbert is so funny! And such
good art!" 3rd panel: "South Park is so funny! And such good art!")
Griffy has said before, he hates the lack of detail in modern comic strips.
That's why he puts as much detail as he can into his strip (and thus Dogbert's
comment on "too much art"). That doesn't stop him from sometime pulling cheats,
like the week where he used progressively smudgier Xeroxes of the same strip.
But Griffy is an obscure target. Why doesn't Adams say something about MAD
Magazine (Entertain Me Weakly has a booklist divided into "Dilbert" and
"Non-Dilbert" sections: "Dilbert Bitches About His Job" and "Scott Adams Pulls
Another Twenty From Your Pocket" are two titles)?
Impressionistic Crosswalk
Christopher Shea (cs...@dcdu.com) wrote:
> As for Dilbert: had it been a one-time thing, I would have written it off
> as a cheap shot. Beating up on Zippy two days in a row, however, smacks of
> gratuitous bullying.
no kidding. but Adams has a history of lashing out at critics without
appearing to understand their criticism. what amused me was the conviction
that Bill Griffith tries to hide the fact that he doesn't have a punchline
most of the time. that, i dare say, is not the point of Zippy. oddly,
Zippy has that in common with, say, The Family Circus.
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Michael Vezie
In article <cshea-19059...@dial25.dcdu.com>,
Christopher Shea <cs...@dcdu.com> wrote:
>As for Dilbert: had it been a one-time thing, I would have written it off
>as a cheap shot. Beating up on Zippy two days in a row, however, smacks of
>gratuitous bullying.
Can someone please give me a transcript of the strips in question?
I never saw them.
I don't think scanning and posting the actual strips is necessary.
It might be with Zippy, but not with Dilbert. Just the dialog and
a description would be plenty.
Thanks.
In Christ,
michael
Anthony Foglia
Jake Kesinger (kesi...@math.ttu.edu) wrote:
: Jym Dyer (j...@igc.org) wrote:
: : > Is this a response to that bitter Zippy they ran a week or
: : > two ago where the two old ladies talk about how they read
: : > those lesser strips like "Cathy" and "Fox Trot", while not
: : > appreciating the intellectual brilliance of "that awful clown
: : > wearing a dress"?
: : =o= I don't think that strip was bitter at all. Don't forget,
: : it was Bill Amend who did the switcheroo with Bill Griffith
: ^^^^^^^^^^
: : on April 1st last year. I presume they're on good terms.
: IKYM``Bil Keane.''HTH.
I'm not sure anyone really cares, but your both right. Bil
Keane and Bill Griffith each did a strip with the other. In one Zippy,
Billy appeared (IIRC), and in a Family Circus soon after, Jeffy had a
dream of Zippy.
But as for the Comic Switcheroonie April last year, Zippy was
drawn by Bill Amend. (Griffith drew Bizarro, if anyone's keeping
track.)
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Bill Fishman
So, couldn't this be like the famous radio feuds such as the one between
Jack Benny and Fred Allen, the two top comedians at the time, which was
obviously trumped up in order for them to have something to talk about and
promote the popularity of the programs? They would sometimes do shows
together where they insulted each other, and it was a running gag on both
shows.
In article <6k26ll$8...@yuggoth.ucsb.edu>, afo...@hugh.physics.ucsb.edu
(Anthony Foglia) wrote:
>Jake Kesinger (kesi...@math.ttu.edu) wrote:
>: Jym Dyer (j...@igc.org) wrote:
>: : > Is this a response to that bitter Zippy they ran a week or
>: : > two ago where the two old ladies talk about how they read
>: : > those lesser strips like "Cathy" and "Fox Trot", while not
etc.
M. Wesley Osam
In article <cshea-19059...@dial25.dcdu.com>, cs...@dcdu.com
(Christopher Shea) wrote:
>Um, no. It was -Scott Adams- and Keane who switched.
But Bil Keane *has* worked with Bill Griffith. He collaborated on
three "Zippy" strips featuring the "Family Circus" characters,
and Zippy has appeared in a "Family Circus" panel (Jeffy was
dreaming about him, and he was indeed drawn by Griffith).
Who did do the "Zippy" strip on that April 1st? I know Griffith
did "Bizarro," but the Des Moines Register doesn't carry "Zippy."
>As for Dilbert: had it been a one-time thing, I would have written it off
>as a cheap shot. Beating up on Zippy two days in a row, however, smacks of
>gratuitous bullying.
It was too ineffectual to really be called "bullying."
"Nattering," maybe. It looks like Adams just doesn't understand
anything that isn't a conventional "gag" strip; that's fine, but
I wish he'd realize that there are other things comics can do,
which might also be worthwhile even if they don't get the artist
as wide an audience.
God help him if he ever comes across "Krazy Kat;" he'll probably
need therapy.
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"We are a lot of containers for each other. We should be careful."
--William Browning Spencer, _Resume with Monsters_
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M. Wesley Osam wo...@iastate.edu
Wei-Hwa Huang
wo...@SPAMBLOCKiastate.edu (M. Wesley Osam) writes:
>Who did do the "Zippy" strip on that April 1st? I know Griffith
>did "Bizarro," but the Des Moines Register doesn't carry "Zippy."
Bill Amend, writer/artist of "Foxtrot".
Of course, a few months ago, "Foxtrot"'s Jason drew a rather strange
drawing of Dilbert (with a mouth, even) ... does that bring us full
circle?
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