Fusco Brothers sucks!!!
Warrenhead
strip. It is SO LAME. The gags are almost never funny, and if they are
(like maybe 3 times a year) it's completely by accident, I'm sure. You
couldn't even call these lobotomy-spawned punchlines "puns." A guy
in a coma could come up with better material.
Here's an example of what this comic strip might depict (it hasn't
shown this, but this would be right up it's alley):
A guy and a woman sitting at a bar. The woman asks the guy:
"Could you pass the peanuts?" And the guy responds "Sure, I bet
I could. It's enchiladas that give me constipation."
I'd expect to see that in the Fusco Brothers any day now. And that
would be one of the BETTER ones! That would be one of the ones
that would make some silly measure of sense.
Furthermore the artwork is so godawfully horrible (bulging heads, bizarre
talking beasts, goofy-looking goons, hideous women with starched hair,
fish eyes, and everyone bearing malevolent, leering expressions), as well.
There's simply nothing compelling, redeeming, or valuable about this puke.
The absolute ONLY positive contribution the Fusco Brothers might make
is if you collected a few dozen clippings of this strip and used it to wipe
your ass with, or maybe check your oil dipstick.
Who is this bonehead who draws the strip, and who the hell is he
blackmailing to get that dumb piece of crap in syndication? What
really pisses me off is there are a lot of decent artists trying to
get their strips off the ground, and the numbskull who does the
Fusco Brothers is just hogging space someone with real talent
could use.
I'm amazed someone hasn't amassed a campaign to run the artist of The
Fusco Brothers out of town, like the "villagers-with-burning-torches"
scenes in the Frankenstein movies.
Can anyone really say they LIKE this garbage?
Jym Dyer
<_Jym_>
* * *
"Euphemism" is such an unpleasant word.
Can we call it something else?
-- Rolf Fusco
* * *
Al: I'll call . . . Al Fusco doesn't know the meaning
of the word ``syzygy.''
Lars: That makes no sense, Al.
Al: I _told_ you I didn't know the meaning of the word.
* * *
Woman: Are you a frog or a prince?
Al Fusco: Well, I USED to be a frog.
Woman: And now you're a prince?
Al Fucso: Now I'm the artist formerly known as frog.
* * *
Lars' Date: "Isn't it interesting how a sexual tension can
suddenly develop between two people?"
Lars: "I really don't know. I usually just bring my own."
* * *
Axel: There's more than a hint of fall in the air, Lance.
Lance: Well, Autumn _is_ right around the corner, Axel.
Axel: Actually, I'm talking about the kind that your pride
goeth before . . . if you knoweth what I mean.
* * *
Lars: Iced cappuccino?? Personally, Rolf, I like my coffee
the way I like my women . . _hot_!!
Rolf: Me too, Lars . . . cold, pretentious, and in glasses.
* * *
Gloria: Do you have a vacuum, Lance? This rug of
yours is filthy
Lance: I'm way beyond the vacuum stage, Gloria.
I've moved on to a terrible, aching void.
* * *
Let's not argue, Gloria. We'll each end up saying something
the other person will regret not having thought of first.
-- Lance Fusco
* * *
``Today on the afternoon movie -- a desperado is on the run,
and John Wayne is on his heels!''
``He won't make very good time in heels.''
``I guess the desperado will give him the slip.''
``John Wayne in a slip? Now *that* would be silly.''
``True.''
* * *
Keep your feet firmly planted in the gutter,
but never stop reaching for the curb.
-- Pa Fusco
* * *
Last night I turned on the clock. Today it turned on me.
-- Lance Fusco
Cincy43235
>strip. It is SO LAME. The gags are almost never funny, and if they are
>(like maybe 3 times a year) it's completely by accident, I'm sure.
>I'm amazed someone hasn't amassed a campaign to run the artist of The
>Fusco Brothers out of town, like the "villagers-with-burning-torches"
>scenes in the Frankenstein movies
Fusco Brothers was run out by the Cincinnati Post...then again this is the
same paper who canceled Funky Winkerbean three months after the time warp and
FoxTrot because the editor got upset about Amend using the word "hell." (True
story: Amend e-mailed me on this.)
"Dilbert rules!" - The Cincinnati Post
PENNENINC
<<There's simply nothing compelling, redeeming, or valuable about this puke.
The absolute ONLY positive contribution the Fusco Brothers might make
is if you collected a few dozen clippings of this strip and used it to wipe
your ass with, or maybe check your oil dipstick.>>
....Yeah, but what do you REALLY think of it? And please, don't sugarcoat your
answer.
Julie9095
The absolute ONLY positive contribution the Fusco Brothers might make
is if you collected a few dozen clippings of this strip and used it to wipe
your ass with, or maybe check your oil dipstick.>>
LOL!
You make this sound like GARFIELD.
Speaking of *that* piece of crap, in a recent interview Jim Davis said...get
this.. that he grew a ponytail to remind him that he was an artist! (I am not
making that up.)
Hey Jim, how about actually *drawing* the damn strip? Or trying to come up with
some original gag once in awhile?
Maybe that'd help you remember.
Both these strips make me wanna hurl.
Heather M. Fieldhouse
[. . .]
>There's simply nothing compelling, redeeming, or valuable about this puke.
>The absolute ONLY positive contribution the Fusco Brothers might make
>is if you collected a few dozen clippings of this strip and used it to
wipe
>your ass with, or maybe check your oil dipstick.
[. . . more of the same . . .]
>I'm amazed someone hasn't amassed a campaign to run the artist of The
>Fusco Brothers out of town, like the "villagers-with-burning-torches"
>scenes in the Frankenstein movies.
>
>Can anyone really say they LIKE this garbage?
You expect me to admit it now?!
Heather M. Fieldhouse
AstroNerdBoy
of puns and other "forced" humor. I'm still not laughing but then
that's me.
Earl
AstroNerdBoy
about the strip. When I came across the "Fusco Brothers", I thought, 'What is
this? How in the world did this get syndicated?' I know many struggling
comic strip artist who are trying to get syndicated. Many of these strips are
ones that I like and feel would make a great addition to a comic strip page in a
newspaper. These guys get rejection after rejection. Then I see something as
horrible as "Fusco Brothers" and I come to realize that the same people that put
out hideous movies like "Armegeddon" (sp?) are the same type of people that put
out "Fusco Brothers." Ugh!
Earl
PS: Warrenhead certainly hit the nail on the head with his post!
Warrenhead wrote:
> My local paper recently started carrying this sorry-assed excuse for a comic
> strip. It is SO LAME. The gags are almost never funny, and if they are
> (like maybe 3 times a year) it's completely by accident, I'm sure. You
> couldn't even call these lobotomy-spawned punchlines "puns." A guy
> in a coma could come up with better material.
>
> Here's an example of what this comic strip might depict (it hasn't
> shown this, but this would be right up it's alley):
>
> A guy and a woman sitting at a bar. The woman asks the guy:
> "Could you pass the peanuts?" And the guy responds "Sure, I bet
> I could. It's enchiladas that give me constipation."
>
> I'd expect to see that in the Fusco Brothers any day now. And that
> would be one of the BETTER ones! That would be one of the ones
> that would make some silly measure of sense.
>
> Furthermore the artwork is so godawfully horrible (bulging heads, bizarre
> talking beasts, goofy-looking goons, hideous women with starched hair,
> fish eyes, and everyone bearing malevolent, leering expressions), as well.
> There's simply nothing compelling, redeeming, or valuable about this puke.
> The absolute ONLY positive contribution the Fusco Brothers might make
> is if you collected a few dozen clippings of this strip and used it to wipe
> your ass with, or maybe check your oil dipstick.
>
> Who is this bonehead who draws the strip, and who the hell is he
> blackmailing to get that dumb piece of crap in syndication? What
> really pisses me off is there are a lot of decent artists trying to
> get their strips off the ground, and the numbskull who does the
> Fusco Brothers is just hogging space someone with real talent
> could use.
>
Mwcartoons
really pisses me off is there are a lot of decent artists trying to
get their strips off the ground, and the numbskull who does the
Fusco Brothers is just hogging space someone with real talent
could use. >>
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"An idealist is someone who helps other people be prosperous."
-Henry Ford
Bill Fishman
Far Side got ended, Zippy was too challenging for them, and they said, Oh,
(duh...) this absurdist stuff is good... people must like it, look how well
The Far Side did... and they got an absurdist strip that happens not to be
good but they have no way to know the difference.
Aaron Mandel
: =o= The Fusco Brothers RULE!!! Clue: it's the writing.
one or two of those strips you just quoted made me smile, but i can
honestly say that no Fusco Brothers i ever saw in print did even that
much. maybe it's the art, or maybe you picked out the cream of the crop...
a
Kirkmanill
this tirade, but I like the Fusco Brothers and I like J.C. Duffy's art...go
figure. I was disappointed when our paper dropped it.
>>What really pisses me off is there are a lot of decent artists trying to get
their strips off the ground, and the numbskull who does the Fusco Brothers is
just hogging space someone with real talent could use. <<
I would hope this comment is not a self-serving comment from another cartoonist
referring to himself. BTW, J.C. Duffy does have a following, and whether it's a
small one or not, they enjoy it. If the author of the above comment were to do
a strip, who's to say the fans of the Fusco Brothers wouldn't have something
equally vitriolic to say about that?
As Dennis Miller says-"That's just my opinion. I may be wrong." The instigator
of this thread could use a little of that humility.
Rick Kirkman
Baby Blues
Jim Ellwanger
<wgi...@omeganet.com> wrote:
>Can anyone really say they LIKE this garbage?
It's my favorite comic strip.
Yes, I'm serious. I really like the humor, and I even like the artwork.
Among other things, I'm fascinated by the way J.C. Duffy draws ears.
It was dropped and then reinstated by the Tampa Tribune 7 or 8 years ago.
It must have had some support to have been reinstated; how much and from
who, I don't know. I don't remember any letters to the editor either
way. (It's since been dropped again.)
--
Jim Ellwanger <trai...@mindspring.com>
<http://trainman1.home.mindspring.com/> is entertainment-active.
"Ground transportation is at all baggage claim areas."
Warrenhead
>I guess this is why humor is subjective. I know I'm leaving myself open after
>this tirade, but I like the Fusco Brothers and I like J.C. Duffy's art...go
>figure. I was disappointed when our paper dropped it.
You're right; humor is subjective, and so is quality.
>>What really pisses me off is there are a lot of decent artists trying to get
their strips off the ground, and the numbskull who does the Fusco Brothers is
just hogging space someone with real talent could use. <<
>I would hope this comment is not a self-serving comment from another cartoonist
>referring to himself.
No, this was not a "sour grapes" post.
>BTW, J.C. Duffy does have a following, and whether it's a
>small one or not, they enjoy it.
I don't mean to detract from the enjoyment of others. My point was that
the Fusco Brothers is quite conspicuous next to decent strips in my
newspaper, based on what I perceive as it's consistent lack of humor.
It's like a rotten orange next to a bushel of splendid apples. I don't see it's
place justified based on the low number of it's supporters. I have seen a few
responses here that concurred with my assessment of the Fusco Brothers, as
well as a couple that did not.
>If the author of the above comment were to do
>a strip, who's to say the fans of the Fusco Brothers wouldn't have something
>equally vitriolic to say about that?
I'm not an artist or cartoonist; even my stick figures turn into horribly mangled
creations. I wasn't making the above comment based on my own experience,
but out of a true empathy for those struggling to get their comic strips accepted.
I know a few people firsthand trying to "break through" and their stuff is really
good. For instance, I have a relative who is trying to launch a very original
and creative comic book and having a tough time alongside old dinosaurs that
have lingered rather a while.
I don't for a moment believe I could do a comic strip of my own even as good
as the Fusco Brothers, of course. But that doesn't mean just because my
drawing and plotwriting skills are inferior that I can't as a consumer complain
about what's in the comic pages. We expect entertainment and hopefully even
laughs when we peruse the comics. That's what these guys are doing for a
living, and it's our money that's paying for it. Most of us couldn't build cars,
airliners, or houses either, but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to
demand qualified, worthwhile products from those that make such endeavors
their business. Similarly, most of us can't play baseball or football the way
the professionals do, but that certainly doesn't stop us from fuming over their
mistakes and foulups. :-) And to make a final analogy, I'm sure few of us are
capable of gourmet cooking, but if we enter a restaurant and order a sumptuous
meal, if the product served tastes awful and has no substance, sending it
back (despite one's inability to prepare a more palatable alternative) is quite
acceptable.
>As Dennis Miller says-"That's just my opinion. I may be wrong." The instigator
>of this thread could use a little of that humility.
Oh, I fully admit my opinion is just my opinion as well.
>Rick Kirkman
>Baby Blues
"Baby Blues," eh? They also carry your strip in my newspaper and I find it quite enjoyable.
Michael Vezie
I'm sorry, but I find that idea absurd...
(sorry, just had to be said)
I for one enjoy it. I didn't at first. I thought it was
stupid (nicely drawn, but stupid). But since then I've
warmed up to it quite a bit, and it's now very enjoyable.
In Christ,
michael
Thomas K. Dye
cartoonist
> referring to himself.
Your point being that cartoonists aren't allowed to be critical? They HAVE
to be in order to succeed. If they weren't critical about themselves as
well as others, they wouldn't be able to find a niche and make their
cartoons as good as they can.
*sigh* Why we're supposed to accept every comic strip that's thrown at us
as golden and wonderful is beyond me. Comic strips are like books or
movies. Some are good, some are bad. Some appeal to certain groups of
people, some appeal to others. Comics are no more immune to artistic
criticism than any other art form.
I'm always reluctant to make my opinions known because of the whole "sour
grapes" issue, and I've seen other cartoonists adopt a
tail-between-their-legs posture on racs for the same reason. Maybe it's
because we're all trying so hard to be good, professional and competitive
(even if I myself am not quite there yet) that we get upset when the pros
appear to lose their artistic verve and rest complacently on their laurels.
Comments like the above one show such a blatant misunderstanding of what
aspiring cartoonists are about. Remember you were one yourself!
>
> Rick Kirkman
> Baby Blues
>
Thomas K. Dye
Creator of "Newshounds"
www.newshounds.com
ALSO open to criticism! Not immune either!
(Heh, now I'll hear it.) ;)
Kirkmanill
I agree that readers should let their feelings be known about strips. I totally
agree that you don't have to be a cartoonist to know what's good (if not good,
at least know what you like).
I wasn't saying that I thought cartoonists shouldn't be critical. We all
criticize each other's work one way or another as well as our own. My comment
was just that in this newsgroup there have been a lot of criticisms that have
come out as little more than "sour grapes" from other cartoonists who have yet
to achieve their goal of syndication. Sometimes these come from people who are
more full of themselves than they have reason to be. Once again, that's
subjective.
I just get the impression from those kinds of posts that they spend an
inordinate amount of energy in hating other people's work and self-pity rather
than really taking an objective critical look at their own work. It's tough to
do, and I'm sure no one can be totally detached, but it's necessary. Sometimes
it's easier to blame the syndicates (not that they're totally blameless) than
it is to look at your own work in that way.
I still like the Fusco Brothers anyway...
Rick Kirkman
Baby Blues
MEPeterson
kirkm...@aol.com (Kirkmanill) writes:
>
>I just get the impression from those kinds of posts that they spend an
>inordinate amount of energy in hating other people's work and self-pity
>rather
>than really taking an objective critical look at their own work. It's tough
>to
>do, and I'm sure no one can be totally detached, but it's necessary.
>Sometimes
>it's easier to blame the syndicates (not that they're totally blameless) than
>it is to look at your own work in that way.
Well said. I tried to sell novels for 15 years, and spent too much energy being
upset with the crap they published instead ... of my crap.
Being published, or syndicated, isn't necessarily a stamp of quality. It's a
lot of being in the right place at the right time. And it's very hard to
combine doing the right sort of work and being exactly where you need to be to
get someone to look at it.
It's a bit like throwing a grape through an electric fan. You can do it. But a
lot of grapes get squashed for every one that gets through.
Don't waste a lot of time bitching about other people's grapes that happened to
get through. Study their technique, if you'd like, but remember that a lot of
it is simply putting the grape where the blades don't happen to be at that
exact moment.
Mike Peterson
Plattsburgh NY
PS -- I write a column now. It pays the rent, it's better than any of my
novels, it matters to people and I really enjoy doing it. Everybody has
something they do well. Mine just didn't happen to be novels, despite my
thinking that was what it HAD to be.
AstroNerdBoy
MEPeterson wrote:
Good points. Still I have to believe that some publisher has to like something
before publishing it.
Ian McDonald
MEPeterson wrote...
> It's a bit like throwing a grape through an electric fan. You can do it.
But a
> lot of grapes get squashed for every one that gets through.
Cool! Now I have a way to spend my afternoon!
BTW, is there anywhere where I can read The Fusco Brothers online?
(Preferably a site with an archive.) With all this talk about it, I'd
like to read it myself, and make up m'own damn mind about it.
Thanks,
Ian McDonald
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first!"
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Jim Ellwanger
<ianm...@avalon.nf.ca> wrote:
>BTW, is there anywhere where I can read The Fusco Brothers online?
>(Preferably a site with an archive.) With all this talk about it, I'd
>like to read it myself, and make up m'own damn mind about it.
<http://www.uexpress.com/cgi-bin/ups/new_mainindex.cgi?code=fu>
--
Jim Ellwanger <trai...@mindspring.com>
<http://trainman1.home.mindspring.com/> will never give up.
"Everything looks beautiful when you're young and pretty."
Jym Dyer
> online? (Preferably a site with an archive.)
http://www.uexpress.com/ups/comics/fu/
=o= There are also four book collections, available only at
the finest bookstores and libraries.
<_Jym_>
Mwcartoons
MEPeterson wrote:
> In article <199807301906...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> kirkm...@aol.com (Kirkmanill) writes:
>
> >
> >I just get the impression from those kinds of posts that they spend an
> >inordinate amount of energy in hating other people's work and self-pity
> >rather
> >than really taking an objective critical look at their own work. It's tough
> >to
> >do, and I'm sure no one can be totally detached, but it's necessary.
> >Sometimes
> >it's easier to blame the syndicates (not that they're totally blameless)
than
> >it is to look at your own work in that way.
>
> Well said. I tried to sell novels for 15 years, and spent too much energy
being
> upset with the crap they published instead ... of my crap.
>
> Being published, or syndicated, isn't necessarily a stamp of quality. It's a
> lot of being in the right place at the right time. And it's very hard to
> combine doing the right sort of work and being exactly where you need to be
to
> get someone to look at it.
>
> It's a bit like throwing a grape through an electric fan. You can do it. But
a
> lot of grapes get squashed for every one that gets through.
>
> Don't waste a lot of time bitching about other people's grapes that happened
to
> get through. Study their technique, if you'd like, but remember that a lot of
> it is simply putting the grape where the blades don't happen to be at that
> exact moment.
>
> Mike Peterson
> Plattsburgh NY
>
> PS -- I write a column now. It pays the rent, it's better than any of my
> novels, it matters to people and I really enjoy doing it. Everybody has
> something they do well. Mine just didn't happen to be novels, despite my
> thinking that was what it HAD to be.
Good points. Still I have to believe that some publisher has to like
something
before publishing it.>>
All good points. I take it I could be one of those "Sour Grape" guys Mr.
Kirkman talks about. Maybe I've spilled my angst here because I've come
quite close to syndication twice; nearly by-passed the fan blades. I happen
to know that my stuff can stand improvement just as well as I've noted other
cartoonists get a chance at improving during their fledling days during the
first year or so of their syndicated strips...(and other times remain the same
even with such chances, it should be noted.) I still think that there is
that intuitive editor out there that sees the germ of talent necessary for a
successful strip... I don't mean to gripe so much yet do so admittedly when I
see something like "decided not to name it " gets chosen over something some
burgeoning genius like myself produces (Tongue in cheek...just joking)
The bottom line here, is we're all human beings with faults, and bills to pay.
One may want to write novels another do a comic strip another write columns
another be a nightwatchman for minimum wage.
Me? I want to do alllll three.
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Mwcartoons
Thank you for this post. Well said.
What's hard is when you strive --really strive--to be original and see that
often the imitations get precidence. And I, like you, hesitate MAJORLY to
post such hints of frustration for the same fears of being branded the
ill-contempted, sour-grapes wanna-be prima-donna.
I, too, welcome criticism. Some/much of it REALLY IS VALID..and helps me see
how I can improve my stuff.. whether I ever get syndicated or not. I want to
produce something valid.
And I want to be filthy rich. (jk)
Thomas K. Dye
>
> What's hard is when you strive --really strive--to be original and see
that
> often the imitations get precidence.
It really isn't the cartoonists' fault, I suppose. I received a letter
from a syndicated cartoonist I accused of being derivative who convinced me
that the idea had been independently arrived at. The syndicate, on the
other hand, probably saw the similarities and went with them, and helped to
emphasize them to the cartoonist's detriment.
Some of the online strips would be difficult to whitewash into boxes.
"Soap on a Rope", for instance. That strip is very distinctive in its
style. How could you possibly turn it into a wannabe of anything else?
You couldn't. Originality is just not smiled upon by editors and syndicate
publishers. Going out on a limb for the sake of a crisper comics page is
not high on their list of priorities. They want to avoid readers' angry
phone calls as much as they can, and if it was a choice between running an
anti-Clinton story or dropping "Blondie" in favor of "Hueby" they'll take
the story any time and leave the comics alone.
And I, like you, hesitate MAJORLY to
> post such hints of frustration for the same fears of being branded the
> ill-contempted, sour-grapes wanna-be prima-donna.
The reason I don't take that too seriously at the moment is that I have a
few nice people (whom I appreciate vastly, you're all wonderful) who say
they like what I do. :) That makes me feel good and gives me an incentive
to try harder and get better. Sure, I'd like to be in your morning paper
(to say otherwise would look suspect) but basically it's so I could give up
the day job and devote *all* my efforts to improving the strip.
But if I read the paper, and see a strip that looks *exactly* like a strip
that appeared five, ten or even twenty years ago, it floors me. It seems
as if fan accolades for others don't mean what they would mean to me. "We
liked the bit where Garfield smooshed spiders!" "Ah, good, well, I'll have
my staff do Garfield swatting spiders for a few more years then, now, I'm
off to play a few rounds of golf..."
So I try not to look at the paper, but if I don't, I don't get a sense of
what "the competition" are doing, and I lose touch. It's a Catch-22, and I
very often have to swallow a lot of pride and keep smiling. Except on
these posts, the only place I can let out steam. (And to remind you, there
*are* several strips in the papers that I *like*. But please don't ever
show me "The Born Loser" or "Eek and Meek" again.)
>
> I, too, welcome criticism. Some/much of it REALLY IS VALID..and helps
me see
> how I can improve my stuff.. whether I ever get syndicated or not. I
want to
> produce something valid.
>
Sure, we all do!
The benefit of criticizing someone online is you know they'll listen. They
may not always agree, but they'll listen. Chances are Jim Davis wouldn't
know you from a hole in the ground. (I love picking on him! Ha ha ha ha
ha!) ;)
> And I want to be filthy rich. (jk)
Sure, we all do! ;)
Thomas K. Dye
www.newshounds.com
"I may appear to be imperfect, but love is something you can't reject!" --
GH
"Do you ever get the feeling... that everybody's on the stage and it seems
like you're the only person sitting in the audience?" -- IA
Jym Dyer
like one that appears 5/10/20 years ago have to do with the
Fusco Brothers? I'm having trouble following this thread.
=o= Fusco Brothers may be many things, but derivative is not
one of them.
<_Jym_>
--
lacey...@gmail.com
> My local paper recently started carrying this sorry-assed excuse for a comic
> strip. It is SO LAME. >
I mean, that IS an option.
Of course, you can devote the next three months of your life to making sure every paper that carries the strip is driven out of business, but frankly, I think the other option is a lot easier.
Good luck either way.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I kind of lost track of it since then, but yeah, I can like that garbage.
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Heather Kendrick
(in article<910d5a34-36c4-482a...@googlegroups.com>):
> On Tuesday, July 28, 1998 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Warrenhead wrote:
> > My local paper recently started carrying this sorry-assed excuse for a
comic
> > strip. It is SO LAME. >
> > Can anyone really say they LIKE this garbage?
>
> Well, you can just not read it.
> I mean, that IS an option.
the resurrection of a thread that I actually remember from its first
go-around in 1998.
Heather
