2003 San Diego Pro/Fan Detailed Results

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Here's a blow by blow account of this year's San Diego Pro/Fan trivia match.
The theme, as suggested by Kurt Busiek, was JLA and Avengers in honor of
the forthcoming JLA/Avengers book. The restriction, as decided by Tom Galloway
in his role as match organizer, was that the match would cover all of the
JLA from Brave and Bold #28 through the end of the first JLA series, and
Avengers would go from #1 through #277 (aka last issue of the Siege of
Avengers Mansion storyline).

Players were, for the Purple Pros, Len Wein, Mark Waid, and Kurt Busiek.
Carlos Pacheco was supposed to play, but didn't show up for reasons I
didn't learn. For the Black Ink Irregulars, aka the Snapper Carr/Rick
Jones Fan Club, it was Tom Galloway, Sidne Ward, Tim Lynch, and John
Sardegna.

Yep, I both organized and played. The usual organizer, Jim Hay, had the bad
timing to get married two weeks prior to the con and didn't have time to do
it. I drafted David Goldfarb to serve as question editor, and sent out some
requests for writers to send questions to David. The questions below were
written by (in alphabetical order) Tom Brevoort, David Goldfarb, Jess
Nevins, and John Wells. I don't know who wrote what question, with one
exception noted below; perhaps David can annotate that. David emailed the
questions to Joe Helfrich in San Diego during the con, who got them to Jim,
who was able to serve as moderator and buzzer system provider as
usual. Thanks to all who helped out.

And now, here's the match. I'm sure that I've matched up each question
with who answered it, and that the running score totals are accurate. I
may have misassociated some tossup/bonus pairs (i.e. the bonus was not
the one asked for that tossup), since Jim reordered them from the original
order that I was worked from on this post (early in, Jim started trying to
save bonuses with only one answer to be used as tossups for when we'd
run out of those, since whenever both teams missed a tossup, there'd
otherwise be an extra bonus left over). I am sure that for each bonus,
I've correctly noted which team got to try to answer it, and whether it
was answered correctly.

Kurt, Sidne, Tim, and John are encouraged to correct and add to this
report. And yes, I chose to refer to myself in the third person below. After
each tossup question is the initials of the team who got it, and the name of
the person who got it. Consultation was allowed on bonuses, making it too
difficult to note who answered that type of question.

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1. The first official JLA-Avengers crossover comes out later this year.
The first *unofficial* crossover happened in the early '70s, when both
teams traveled to what New England location?

A: Rutland, Vermont

BII: Tim Lynch
BII 10, PP 0
Comment: Len Wein: "Hey, I wrote that one!", as Len continues the tradition
of almost never (once in eight matches) managing to answer correctly a
question about his own work. Fortunately, he's a great sport about it. Even
though the BII does keep threatening to ask for a match theme of "The
Collected Work of Len Wein" :-).

Bonus: What are the names of "Snapper" Carr's siblings?

A: Janet and Jimmy.

BII 20, PP 0

2. In two consecutive 1983 adventures, the Justice League had a
robotic servant aboard its satellite. What was its name ?

A: Shorty

No one got it on either team.
BII 20, PP 0

3: It's a well-known fact that, when it came to JLA membership, Metamorpho
said no! Who was the first person to turn down membership in the Avengers?

A: The Sub-Mariner (in AVENGERS #16)

BII: Tom Galloway
BII 30, PP 0

Bonus: What was the line-up of the first Masters of Evil?

A: Baron Zemo, the Radioactive Man, the Melter, the Black Knight

BII 40, PP 0

4: Before voting to offer membership to Metamorpho, members of the JLA also
nominated two other heroes. Who were they ?

A: Adam Strange and the Elongated Man.

No one got this. Both Len and Tom recalled Adam, but both choked on
Elongated Man (ironically, given that Len later wrote the story that did
induct Ralph). Tom went with Captain Comet, which he knew was wrong. Don't
recall who Len went with. Oddly, before the match Tom'd made a point of
knowing who was also nominated when Green Arrow got elected, namely Adam
Strange and Hawkman.

BII 40, PP 0

5: Steel briefly dated Vibe's sister during the Justice League's stay in
Detroit. What was her name ?

A: Rosa.

BII: Tom Galloway
BII 50, PP 0

Bonus: Given their name, the Justice League of America had a remarkably diverse
membership in terms of nationality. Name the first five full members of the
team who were actually born in the United States of America.

A: Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Green Arrow

The BII missed this, as we went with Atom rather than Aquaman. Basically, we
blanked that pre-Crisis, Aquaman was born when his Atlantean mother was
living in a lighthouse in the US.
BII 50, PP 0

6: The Justice League demanded their membership adhere to a rigid code of
conduct. Which Avenger was the first to be suspended from active duty for
failing to answer the call to assemble?

A: Iron Man (in AVENGERS #7)

BII: Tom Galloway
BII 60, PP 0

Bonus: Name the first five Justice Leaguers who were citizens of a foreign
nation or otherworldly culture.

A: Superman, Wonder Woman, J'onn J'onzz, Aquaman, Hawkman

Comment: After a quick clarification that this meant for any significant
time rather than at birth (i.e. Aquaman counts how?), we reeled off the answer
BII 70, PP 0

7: During the Kree-Skrull War, Rick Jones tapped into what would later
be called "The Destiny Force". What was his first action using it?

A: He conjured up Golden Age heroes.

Comment: This question went into stasis, since there was a dispute over what
the right answer was. Kurt buzzed in first with an answer along the lines of
"froze all the combatants in the Kree-Skrull War". This was ruled incorrect,
as the given answer was the above. Tom buzzed in with the answer given
above, but Kurt was sure that wasn't it, and Tom wasn't too sure that it
was. So we set it aside unless it mattered in determining the outcome.
After the match, we checked the Avengers Indices, and found that the above
answer was wrong; he first used it as a force blast against Annihilus in the
Negative Zone.

BII 70, PP 0

8: Prior to acquiring a new look on the planet Kalanor and fighting the
Detroit-era Justice League, Despero had been at what surprising location ?

A: The prison world Takron-Galtos (surprising because it had previously
been seen only in the 30th-Century adventures of the Legion of Super-Heroes.)

Comment: Tom buzzed in at Kalanor and answered Despero, thus getting a
-5 point penalty. Kurt buzzed in with a wrong answer I'm not recalling.
Tom also proved that he can't pronounce "Des-per-o" to save his life,
repeatedly saying "Desparrow".

BII 65, PP 0

9: In AVENGERS #25, the team decided to visit Latveria. Why weren't they
worried about encountering Doctor Doom?

A: They forgot that Doctor Doom was Latveria's ruler. (Yeah, it's
lame: take it up with Stan!)

Comment: Both Kurt and Tom buzzed in with incorrect answers that I'm not
recalling, but both waited until the question had been read, so no penalty.
David Goldfarb has mentioned that he was particularly pleased at having
written this question.

BII 65, PP 0

10: Which of these super-teams doesn't belong, and why? The Shazam Family,
the Legion of Super-Heroes, the Seven Soldiers of Victory, the Teen Titans.

A: The Teen Titans never guest-starred in a JLA/JSA summer team-up.

BII: Tom Galloway
BII 75, PP 0
Comment: Basically, Tom won a buzzer race with just about everyone up there,
as after the second team was named everyone realized the answer would be
a team not in a JLA/JSA team-up. Being anal-retentive, Tom's full answer was
something like "The Teen Titans, because other than Robin, they never
appeared in a JLA/JSA team-up" since the Earth-1 Robin was a guest star in
one.

Bonus: Between AVENGERS #1 and AVENGERS #277, how many mutants joined the
team?

A: 4 (Quicksilver, the Scarlet Witch, The Beast, Namor)

Comment: We asked for a minute with this, and started naming Avengers
members from the twins on. Leading to the first of several "You people are
scary" comments from the audience (addressed to both teams). Kurt responded
to the BII's answer by mentioning that Vance Astro was an honorary member
as part of the Guardians of the Galaxy but, in the first of two displays
of sportsmanship, didn't protest since the question intent was clear. Tom
didn't recall until after the match that if you're going to count Vance,
you also have to count Starhawk, part of whom was an Antarean mutant.

BII 85, PP 0

11: Which was the *lowest*-numbered Ultron to battle the Avengers?

A: 5.

BII: Tim Lynch
BII 95, PP 0

Bonus: The "Avengers-Defenders War" was triggered by Loki and Dormammu
working together. The teams clashed over possession of what magical
weapon?

A: The Evil Eye.

BII 105, PP 0
Comment: Said in unison by the BII, as the Pros groaned at the relative
easiness of this one.

12: The Justice League learned of the "Panic From a Blackmail Box" thanks
to reporter Marley Thorne. What was Thorne's connection to the League ?

A: He was Barry Allen's brother-in-law.

PP: Mark Waid
Comment: The PP get on the board with what was probably the hardest question
to be correctly answered in the match. Tom recalled that the association was
through the Flash, but thought it was that Thorne worked for Picture News
with Barry's wife, Iris. Not that Tom had a chance to answer it, as Mark
buzzed in first. Surprisingly, this didn't spark a discussion of just whatever
happened to Barry's sister, who'd presumably have had to existed in order
for a man named Thorne to be Barry's brother-in-law. As far as I know, this
sister was never shown or referenced anywhere else, and until Mark much
later retconned in Barry's twin brother, Barry was an only child. And Iris'
sister, Charlotte, wasn't married to a man named Thorne, but rather Edgar
Rhodes.

BII 105, PP 10

Bonus: The Justice League always required a strict adherence to a code of
conduct among their membership. Who was the first League member to be brought
up on charges, and what villain was ultimately responsible?

A: Green Arrow, Doctor Destiny

Comment: Ironic that this bonus ended up associated with this toss-up, since
the sequel of sorts to this story appeared the issue before Panic From
A Blackmail Box. At this point, Tom said something like "Uh oh, they're
starting their comeback...".

BII 105, PP 20

13: Over the years, the Avengers fought many villains who were Communists.
Who was the first?

A: The Radioactive Man.

PP: Mark Waid
Comment: Tom's starting to get nervous.

BII 105, PP 30

Bonus: What was the line-up of the Squadron Sinister?

A: Hyperion, Nighthawk, Dr. Spectrum, the Whizzer.

BII 105, PP 40

14: As opposed to their spiffy satellite, the JLA's first headquarters was a
dreary cave outside Happy Harbor. What villain was the first to violate the
sanctity of this secret sanctuary?

A: Xotar, the Weapons Master

Comment: Surprisingly, both teams missed this one, since it occured in the
JLA's second ever story. Great security there. Tom again mispronounces
Despero.

BII 105, PP 40

15: Honorary JLA member "Snapper" Carr betrayed the location of the League's
cave headquarters to the Joker. What guise was the Joker operating under
when this occurred?

A: Mr. Average

BII: Tom Galloway
Comment: Tom hit the buzzer right after "Joker" and gave the more complete
answer "John Dough aka Mr. Average". For the first time in the match, the
audience requested "Could you finish the question so we know what you were
going to ask?".

BII 115, PP 40

Bonus: In the Justice League's first battle with the Manhunters, Hal Jordan had
been duped into believing that he'd destroyed an inhabited world. What was
the name of that planet?

A: Orinda

Comment: The BII just could not recall this, although Kurt did. Kurt also
mentioned that it was named after someone's home town, but I forget whose.

BII 115, PP 40

16: Justice Leaguer Green Lantern had a Power Ring that was vulnerable
to Yellow. Squadron Sinister member Doctor Spectrum had a Power Prism
that was vulnerable to what?

A: Ultraviolet light

PP: Kurt Busiek
BII 115, PP 50

Bonus: In the first appearance of Felix Faust, he atttempted to gain the
powers of three demons. Name them.

A: Abnegazar, Rath, and Ghast.

Comment: Tom was frustrated that the Pros got this bonus, since he was so sure
these guys would come up that the rest of the BII witnessed him in the
hallway before the match checking the JLA index to be sure he recalled
Abnegazar, as well as the Red Jar, Green Bell, and Silver Wheel used to
imprison them.

BII 115, PP 60

17: When the Construct first battled the JLA, where was his base of
operations?

A: The World Trade Center.

PP: Kurt Busiek

BII 115, PP 70

Comment: Tom Galloway, getting increasing nervous: "Could someone put Mark
and Kurt back on their medication?"

Bonus: In his first case with the JLA, the Atom helped them against Mr. Memory
and his de-memorizer ray. Who was Mr. Memory, and who invented the ray?

A: Batman and Amos Fortune, respectively.

Comment: As expected, Mark mentioned that there were two Mr. Memorys in
that story, the first being an amnesiac Batman and the second Amos Fortune.

BII 115, PP 80

18: Where was Baron Zemo's first headquarters?

A: The jungles of South America. (Accept "South America".)

BII: Tom Galloway
Comment: Kurt mentioned that a flashback in Avengers showed his HQ in Nazi
Germany, but didn't protest as the intent of the question was clear

BII 125, PP 80

Bonus: Demmy Gog shared a country of origin with a later JLA villain. What were
the names of that bad guy and their common nation ?

A: Proteus and Offalia.

Comment: The BII drew a complete blank on this, going with Sonar and Moldavia,
which Kurt corrected us as being Modora.

BII 125, PP 80

19: When Doctor Anomaly first discovered the existence of the Justice League,
he responded to the name of only one member. Who was it and why ?

A: Flash, which had also been his own college nickname.

PP: Kurt Busiek
Comment: Kurt proves that, unlike Len :-), he can quickly recall details of
the stories he wrote, even quoting the exact line of dialogue.

BII 115, PP 90

Bonus: Aside from Superman and Batman, Aquaman was the first charter member of
the Justice League to completely miss participating in an adventure. Who
did the team fight in his absence ?

A: The Queen Bee.

Comment: I forget what the Pros answered on this one, but there was general
surprise in the room once the correct answer was given that it was so late,
since the Queen Bee appeared in JLA #23.

BII 115, PP 90

20: While containing a volcanic eruption in JLA # 155, the Red Tornado
stated that he'd only used greater speed on one occasion. What did he do
in that earlier instance ?

A: He broke the time barrier (in an issue of SUPER FRIENDS).

PP: Mark Waid buzzed in early with an incorrect answer of Traya (the
then-Lebanese orphan Reddy later adopted) getting a -5 penalty.
Comment: Neither team got this. I suspect it's the one that John Wells
mentioned that he and Murray Ward thought neither team would get.

BII 125, PP 85

21: Who performed the ceremony when the Vision and the Scarlet Witch
got married?

A: Immortus.

BII: John Sardegna

BII 135, PP 85

Bonus: Rick Jones conjured up 8 heroes from Timely Comics. The easy ones
to remember were Captain America, Namor, and the Human Torch -- name the
other 5.

A: The Angel, The Blazing Skull, The Fin, the Patriot, and the Vision.

BII 145, PP 85

22: Hank Pym had a number of different heroic identities. Which one
was briefly used by *another* Avenger?

A: Goliath.

BII: Tim Lynch

BII 155, PP 85

Bonus: In his true identity, the man called Paragon was regarded as a
scientific genius who continually made "discoveries that set the
world on its ear." How many Nobel Prizes had he won ?

A: Three.

Comment: Since Paragon's power was to be able to do anything better than
people in his vicinity, the BII guessed six, one Nobel in each field that
offers the prize. Kurt correctly recalled that, in this story written by
him, it was three. Post-match, there was speculation that it was three
because the most Nobels won in real life by anyone was two (Curie and
Pauling).

BII 155, PP 85

23. Who helped the Avengers to dissolve Adhesive X?

A: Paste-Pot Pete.

BII: Tom Galloway (answer said with particular glee, as one can never not
have fun saying "Paste-Pot Pete" :-))

BII 165, PP 85


Bonus: When the JLA first fought Thor's counterpart Wandjina, it was observed
that he shared his name with the God of Rain worshipped by whom ?

A: Australian Aborigines.

BII 175, PP 85

24: The Avengers finally learned Hawkeye's real name when his gangster
brother Barney helped them against what foe?

A: Egghead.

BII: Tom Galloway
Comment: Tom was lucky that Jim got out "Barney" just before Tom buzzed in,
since he'd been planning to answer that until its use ruled it out.

BII 185, PP 85

Bonus: He wasn't fighting Karl Lykos's mutated alter ego or riding Dane
Whitman's winged horse; Captain America was just relaxing when he
read what "far-out" book?

A: _The Lord of the Rings_. (Karl Lykos: Sauron; Dane Whitman's horse:
first Aragorn, later Valinor -- all names taken from _LotR_.)

BII 195, PP 85

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Kurt, if you still have a copy, I'd certainly enjoy seeing the Bizarro
chant the Pros did in unison just before the match started.

Final tossup stats:

Tom Galloway: 7 correct, 1 incorrect interrupt
Tim Lynch: 4 correct
Kurt Busiek: 3 correct
Mark Waid: 2 correct, 1 incorrect interrupt
John Sardegna: 1 correct.

As always, it was lots of fun. The total standings are now Pros 5, Fans 3.
Tentative plans for next year are to do a super-villain theme.

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Jess Nevins

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Tom Galloway wrote:

> 7: During the Kree-Skrull War, Rick Jones tapped into what would later
> be called "The Destiny Force". What was his first action using it?
>
> A: He conjured up Golden Age heroes.
>
> Comment: This question went into stasis, since there was a dispute over what
> the right answer was. Kurt buzzed in first with an answer along the lines of
> "froze all the combatants in the Kree-Skrull War". This was ruled incorrect,
> as the given answer was the above. Tom buzzed in with the answer given
> above, but Kurt was sure that wasn't it, and Tom wasn't too sure that it
> was. So we set it aside unless it mattered in determining the outcome.
> After the match, we checked the Avengers Indices, and found that the above
> answer was wrong; he first used it as a force blast against Annihilus in the
> Negative Zone.

That was my question--only I phrased it as (IIRC) what Rick was best
known for (the toss-up) and who he conjured up (the bonus). I mentioned
nothing about the Destiny Force or his first action in doing so.

It wasn't me what screwed that question up, guv!

> 8: Prior to acquiring a new look on the planet Kalanor and fighting the
> Detroit-era Justice League, Despero had been at what surprising location ?
>
> A: The prison world Takron-Galtos (surprising because it had previously
> been seen only in the 30th-Century adventures of the Legion of Super-Heroes.)
>
> Comment: Tom buzzed in at Kalanor and answered Despero, thus getting a
> -5 point penalty. Kurt buzzed in with a wrong answer I'm not recalling.

Krypton, IIRC.

jess

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Tom Galloway wrote:
> JLA from Brave and Bold #28 through the end of the first JLA series, and
> Avengers would go from #1 through #277 (aka last issue of the Siege of

Could someone annotate this, giving which issues the answers came from?

Good work guys. I wanted to go see this finally, but I couldn't miss the LotR panel. :)
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>> Players were, for the Purple Pros, Len Wein, Mark Waid, and Kurt Busiek.
Carlos Pacheco was supposed to play, but didn't show up for reasons I didn't
learn.>>

Carlos had been waking up at 3AM due to jet lag (he's from Spain), and as a
result was exhausted. He had a breakfast meetng that morning and went back to
his room for a short nap before his first con obligation. The nap lasted about
five hours longer than intended...

>> 1. The first official JLA-Avengers crossover comes out later this year. The
first *unofficial* crossover happened in the early '70s, when both
teams traveled to what New England location?
>> A: Rutland, Vermont >>

This is incorrect, by the way -- there's no correct answer to the question as
phrased. The first "unofficial crossover" that's often referred to as such
happened in Feb 1971, when the Avengers first met the Squadron Supreme in
AVENGERS #85, while the JLA met the Justifiers in JLA #87. This was
deliberate, and was the model for future "unofficial crossovers" like the
Invaders/Freedom Fighters issues in which both teams met teams called the
Crusaders, each modeled on the other, and the X-Men's meeting the Legion-based
Imperial Guard, which was meant to coincide with the Legion meeting X-Men-like
characters, but scheduling problems torpedoed it.

The "unofficial crossover" referred to in the answer happened in 1972, and
didn't involve the Avengers (or, well, it involved one of them, but not acting
as an Avenger). It happened in AMAZING ADVENTURES #16 (starring the Beast
prior to his membership), JLA #103 and THOR #207, involving plot threads that
jumped from book to book dealing with various comics pros who were attending
the parade. Len Wein did indeed write the JLA issue involved.

The Avengers had been to Rutland in 1970, but there was no crossover plot.
They returned to Rutland in 1974, but again, no crossover plot.

>> 2. In two consecutive 1983 adventures, the Justice League had a
robotic servant aboard its satellite. What was its name ?
A: Shorty
No one got it on either team.>>

Found him! "Shortie" serves drinks at the JLA/JSA crossover in #219-220. I'm
assuming he's also in #218, which I can't find my copy of. He doesn't seem to
be in the following adventure.

>> 8: Prior to acquiring a new look on the planet Kalanor and fighting the
Detroit-era Justice League, Despero had been at what surprising location ?
>> A: The prison world Takron-Galtos (surprising because it had previously been
seen only in the 30th-Century adventures of the Legion of Super-Heroes.)
>> Comment: Tom buzzed in at Kalanor and answered Despero, thus getting a -5
point penalty. Kurt buzzed in with a wrong answer I'm not recalling.>>

The UN.

>> Tom also proved that he can't pronounce "Des-per-o" to save his life,
repeatedly saying "Desparrow".>>

Len, Mark and I are already working on the DC crossover, "The Fall of
De-Sparrow."

>> 9: In AVENGERS #25, the team decided to visit Latveria. Why weren't they
worried about encountering Doctor Doom?
>> A: They forgot that Doctor Doom was Latveria's ruler. (Yeah, it's
lame: take it up with Stan!)
>> Comment: Both Kurt and Tom buzzed in with incorrect answers that I'm not
recalling,>>

Mine continued my UN fixation -- I guessed he was addressing the UN.

>> Bonus: In the Justice League's first battle with the Manhunters, Hal Jordan
had been duped into believing that he'd destroyed an inhabited world. What was
the name of that planet?
>> A: Orinda
>> Comment: The BII just could not recall this, although Kurt did. Kurt also
mentioned that it was named after someone's home town, but I forget whose.>>

Paul Dini's, as I recall. But it wasn't named for that reason -- Bay Area
writer Englehart simply liked using interesting-sounding local names. The
Avengers were involved ith the Cotati, as well, which is another Bay Area town.

>> Bonus: In his true identity, the man called Paragon was regarded as a
scientific genius who continually made "discoveries that set the world on its
ear." How many Nobel Prizes had he won ?
>> A: Three.
>> Comment: Since Paragon's power was to be able to do anything better than
people in his vicinity, the BII guessed six, one Nobel in each field that
offers the prize. Kurt correctly recalled that, in this story written by him,
it was three. Post-match, there was speculation that it was three because the
most Nobels won in real life by anyone was two (Curie and Pauling).>>

It's possible I did that much research, but more likely that I just fastened on
"three" as an impressive number of Nobels that didn't sound like ridiculous
overstatement. My correct guess this past weekend was simply me guessing that
three sounded impressive, and I didn't recall the bit being more than a
throwaway line, so I wouldn't have gone too far with it.

>> Kurt, if you still have a copy, I'd certainly enjoy seeing the Bizarro
chant the Pros did in unison just before the match started.>>

"Hail Biz-Hydra! Immoral Biz-Hydra! Us am never be destroyed!
Cut off a limb, and us do opposite of all earthly things!
Us hate brightest day! Us love darkest night!
With great power am come great responsibility, for criminals am a cowardly,
superstitious lot!
Is big crime to serve any but the master on Biz-Hydra World!
Hail Biz-Hydra!
Face it, Tiger -- us am just hit jackpot!"

As noted, it was written by Jay Rudin.

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<Cut> A wonderful report of the PRO/FAN Challenge <Cut>


Many thanks Tom.


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Alan L. Stone

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Jul 23, 2003, 1:16:41 AM7/23/03
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On 22 Jul 2003, KurtBusiek wrote:
> >> Bonus: In his true identity, the man called Paragon was regarded as
> a scientific genius who continually made "discoveries that set the
> world on its ear." How many Nobel Prizes had he won ? >> A: Three. >>
> Comment: Since Paragon's power was to be able to do anything better
> than people in his vicinity, the BII guessed six, one Nobel in each
> field that offers the prize. Kurt correctly recalled that, in this
> story written by him, it was three. Post-match, there was speculation
> that it was three because the most Nobels won in real life by anyone
> was two (Curie and Pauling).>>
>
> It's possible I did that much research, but more likely that I just
> fastened on "three" as an impressive number of Nobels that didn't
> sound like ridiculous overstatement. My correct guess this past
> weekend was simply me guessing that three sounded impressive, and I
> didn't recall the bit being more than a throwaway line, so I wouldn't
> have gone too far with it.

Curie (Physics 1903, Chemistry 1911) and Pauling (Chemistry 1954, Peace
1962) are the only two people to have been awarded a nobel prize in two
different categories. John Bardeen (Physics: 1956 & 1972) and Frederick
Sanger (Chemistry: 1958 & 1980) were awarded two nobels in the same
category.

http://www.nobel.se/

Cheers, Alan


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Jul 23, 2003, 1:32:13 AM7/23/03
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In article <bfira3$nqt$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
t...@panix.com (Tom Galloway) wrote:

> For the Black Ink Irregulars, aka the Snapper Carr/Rick

> Jones Fan Club, ... Tim Lynch ...

Is this the same Tim Lynch known for his Trek reviews? (He occasionally
mentions Marvel comics in said reviews.)

R. Tang

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Jul 23, 2003, 1:47:21 AM7/23/03
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In article <jcb10-D4FB33....@reader1.news.rcn.net>,

Yuppers (and redeeming his earlier appearance in the Irregulars,
I'd say....).
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David Goldfarb

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Jul 23, 2003, 3:41:05 AM7/23/03
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In article <3F1D2BCC...@ix.netcom.com>,

Jess Nevins <jjne...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Tom Galloway wrote:
>
>> 7: During the Kree-Skrull War, Rick Jones tapped into what would later
>> be called "The Destiny Force". What was his first action using it?
>>
>> A: He conjured up Golden Age heroes.
>>
>> Comment: This question went into stasis, since there was a dispute over what
>> the right answer was. Kurt buzzed in first with an answer along the lines of
>> "froze all the combatants in the Kree-Skrull War". This was ruled incorrect,
>> as the given answer was the above. Tom buzzed in with the answer given
>> above, but Kurt was sure that wasn't it, and Tom wasn't too sure that it
>> was. So we set it aside unless it mattered in determining the outcome.
>> After the match, we checked the Avengers Indices, and found that the above
>> answer was wrong; he first used it as a force blast against Annihilus in the
>> Negative Zone.
>
>That was my question--only I phrased it as (IIRC) what Rick was best
>known for (the toss-up) and who he conjured up (the bonus). I mentioned
>nothing about the Destiny Force or his first action in doing so.
>
>It wasn't me what screwed that question up, guv!

You phrased it this way:
"Toss-Up: Rick Jones defeated a bunch of Skrulls during the Kree-Skrull
War. How did he do it? (Answer: By conjuring up Golden Age Heroes)."

I didn't like that because it seemed to me that "defeated" could mean
the freezing just as well, perhaps even better. I forgot about blasting
Annihilus, and didn't check my "Kree-Skrull War" collection closely
enough to find it. (The "Destiny Force" stuff was just window dressing.)
Kurt was definitely wrong, however, inasmuch as the hero-conjuring
preceded the freezing.

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Jess Nevins

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Jul 23, 2003, 9:53:50 AM7/23/03
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David Goldfarb wrote:

Ah. That was my bad, then. I should have phrased it as "best known for"

Oh, well.

jess

Jess Nevins

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Jul 23, 2003, 9:57:38 AM7/23/03
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David Goldfarb wrote:

> >Bonus: Rick Jones conjured up 8 heroes from Timely Comics. The easy ones
> >to remember were Captain America, Namor, and the Human Torch -- name the
> >other 5.
> >
> >A: The Angel, The Blazing Skull, The Fin, the Patriot, and the Vision.

That one was mine.

> >BII: Tom Galloway (answer said with particular glee, as one can never not
> >have fun saying "Paste-Pot Pete" :-))
>

> So true. Paste-Pot Pete vs. Radiation Roy: Ho'od Win(tm)?

If Pete had a chance to lay a trap for Roy, Pete. Otherwise, Roy.

jess

Henry Spencer

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Jul 23, 2003, 9:49:47 AM7/23/03
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In article <Pine.SGI.4.21.0307230...@d0mino.fnal.gov>,

Alan L. Stone <als...@fnal.gov> wrote:
>Curie (Physics 1903, Chemistry 1911) and Pauling (Chemistry 1954, Peace
>1962) are the only two people to have been awarded a nobel prize in two
>different categories. John Bardeen (Physics: 1956 & 1972) and Frederick
>Sanger (Chemistry: 1958 & 1980) were awarded two nobels in the same
>category.

However, there is still one double-Nobel distinction unclaimed: nobody
has yet won two *unshared* science Nobels. Pauling is the only one with
two unshared Nobels, one of which was the Peace prize (for his disarmament
work). Marie Curie's Physics prize was shared with her husband, and both
of Bardeen's prizes and one of Sanger's were three-way splits.
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Tom Galloway

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Jul 23, 2003, 7:08:22 PM7/23/03
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In article <3F1E936E...@ix.netcom.com>,
Jess Nevins <jjne...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>David Goldfarb wrote:
>> You phrased it this way:
>> "Toss-Up: Rick Jones defeated a bunch of Skrulls during the Kree-Skrull
>> War. How did he do it? (Answer: By conjuring up Golden Age Heroes)."
>> I didn't like that because it seemed to me that "defeated" could mean
>> the freezing just as well, perhaps even better.
>Ah. That was my bad, then. I should have phrased it as "best known for"

I really dislike "best known for" criteria in questions, as that's often
open to interpretation. I'd've written this something like:

Toss-up: Ah, childhood memories. Rick Jones used his to best advantage in
the Kree-Skrull War when he did what to defeat some attacking Skrulls?

Since Rick specifically stated that the Golden Agers were due to his reading
old comics at the orphanage, this elimates the force blasts and freezing
possibilities.

Admittedly, I'd also expect the latest buzz-in on the above to be at "Kree",
with a good possibility at "Jones", and if one of the contestants is really
feeling cocky at around "ies Rick". :-) Given how well known the GA conjuring
is (heck, it got the cover), a somewhat better question might've been;

Toss-up: Of course, you all recall that Rick Jones created a bunch of
Golden Age dopplegangers near the end of the Kree-Skrull War. But what was
the *next* thing he did with his power, later refered to as the Destiny Force?

With the answer being "Freeze all the combatants". Or "Before he created
Golden Age dopplegangers, Rick Jones did what near the end of the Kree-Skrull
War using what was later called the Destiny Force?" i.e. the Negative Zone
energy blast.

Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to "s"

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Jul 24, 2003, 3:35:20 AM7/24/03
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On 22 Jul 2003 17:09:21 GMT, kurtb...@aol.comics (KurtBusiek) wrote:

>
>>> 1. The first official JLA-Avengers crossover comes out later this year. The
>first *unofficial* crossover happened in the early '70s, when both
>teams traveled to what New England location?
>>> A: Rutland, Vermont >>
>
>This is incorrect, by the way -- there's no correct answer to the question as
>phrased. The first "unofficial crossover" that's often referred to as such
>happened in Feb 1971, when the Avengers first met the Squadron Supreme in
>AVENGERS #85, while the JLA met the Justifiers in JLA #87. This was
>deliberate, and was the model for future "unofficial crossovers" like the
>Invaders/Freedom Fighters issues in which both teams met teams called the
>Crusaders, each modeled on the other, and the X-Men's meeting the Legion-based
>Imperial Guard, which was meant to coincide with the Legion meeting X-Men-like
>characters, but scheduling problems torpedoed it.

Did scheduling problems torpedo it so much that it never was printed? I don't
recall any mid 70's Legion battle/teamup with an X-Men style group.


>>> Tom also proved that he can't pronounce "Des-per-o" to save his life,
>repeatedly saying "Desparrow".>>
>
>Len, Mark and I are already working on the DC crossover, "The Fall of
>De-Sparrow."

Make sure they meet the Endless' Despair, or even a disguised D'spayre.


>"Hail Biz-Hydra! Immoral Biz-Hydra! Us am never be destroyed!
> Cut off a limb, and us do opposite of all earthly things!
> Us hate brightest day! Us love darkest night!
> With great power am come great responsibility, for criminals am a cowardly,
>superstitious lot!
> Is big crime to serve any but the master on Biz-Hydra World!
> Hail Biz-Hydra!
> Face it, Tiger -- us am just hit jackpot!"
>
>As noted, it was written by Jay Rudin.

Would a Bizarro Len Wein be able to regularly answer questions in the trivia
contest about books he wrote?

KurtBusiek

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Jul 24, 2003, 12:41:50 PM7/24/03
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> This was
>deliberate, and was the model for future "unofficial crossovers" like the
>Invaders/Freedom Fighters issues in which both teams met teams called the
>Crusaders, each modeled on the other, and the X-Men's meeting the Legion-based
>Imperial Guard, which was meant to coincide with the Legion meeting X-Men-like
>characters, but scheduling problems torpedoed it.

>> Did scheduling problems torpedo it so much that it never was printed? I
don't recall any mid 70's Legion battle/teamup with an X-Men style group. >>

I have been told, though not authoritatively, that the League of
Super-Assassins (or whoever) story was what the other side of that crossover
became, though there were some modifications made to move it away from being a
faux-X-Men appearance, since someone at DC felt the time for it had passed, and
it would come off more as a spiteful "response" than the fun thing it was meant
to be.

But Lazon was based on Cyclops, Blok on Colossus, that sort of thing.

I do not know how solid this information is, however.

Tim Serpas

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Jul 24, 2003, 1:02:17 PM7/24/03
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KurtBusiek <kurtb...@aol.comics> wrote:
>"Hail Biz-Hydra! Immoral Biz-Hydra! Us am never be destroyed!
> Cut off a limb, and us do opposite of all earthly things!
> Us hate brightest day! Us love darkest night!
> With great power am come great responsibility, for criminals am a cowardly,
>superstitious lot!
> Is big crime to serve any but the master on Biz-Hydra World!
> Hail Biz-Hydra!
> Face it, Tiger -- us am just hit jackpot!"
>
>As noted, it was written by Jay Rudin.

Classic. Were there YMCA style gestures to go along with it?

Tim Serpas

Tom Galloway

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Jul 24, 2003, 2:04:25 PM7/24/03
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In article <aq2vhvg19c52hsk7t...@4ax.com>,

Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to \"s\" <wizardimp$1...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>Would a Bizarro Len Wein be able to regularly answer questions in the trivia
>contest about books he wrote?

Back during the pre-Crisis Superman match, in which Mark Waid answered all
the toss-ups for the Pros, there was a mild dispute about an answer. The
BII's comment was on the lines of "We'll let the Pros have that one, on the
condition that they replace Mark with his Bizarro imperfect duplicate".

Mark

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Jul 24, 2003, 2:54:20 PM7/24/03
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gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (David Goldfarb) wrote in
news:bflfn4$24ab$1...@agate.berkeley.edu:

>>23. Who helped the Avengers to dissolve Adhesive X?
>>
>>A: Paste-Pot Pete.
>

> Jess Nevins.


>
>>BII: Tom Galloway (answer said with particular glee, as one can never
>>not have fun saying "Paste-Pot Pete" :-))
>

> So true. Paste-Pot Pete vs. Radiation Roy: Ho'od Win(tm)?
>

Not sure...I like the 3 word alliteration of Paste-Pot Pete, but
Radiation Roy was such an easy target while Keith Giffen was handling
him. How about Arm-Fall-Off Boy?

Mark


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Timothy W. Lynch

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Jul 24, 2003, 9:06:00 PM7/24/03
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t...@panix.com (Tom Galloway) writes:

>Here's a blow by blow account of this year's San Diego Pro/Fan trivia match.

Nicely done, sir. A couple of minor corrections/comments/etc. :

Comment one: Given David Goldfarb's annotations, I seem to be
peculiarly gifted at answering questions he wrote. Those are the only
ones I got.

>1. The first official JLA-Avengers crossover comes out later this year.
>The first *unofficial* crossover happened in the early '70s, when both
>teams traveled to what New England location?

>A: Rutland, Vermont

>BII: Tim Lynch

Yeah, Kurt, I know it's not right -- I didn't know about the JLA story
you've since mentioned, but I knew that the Rutland tale didn't
actually involve the Avengers per se. Sounded good, though. :-)

(Besides, wasn't it worth it just for Len's reaction?)

>9: In AVENGERS #25, the team decided to visit Latveria. Why weren't they
>worried about encountering Doctor Doom?

>A: They forgot that Doctor Doom was Latveria's ruler. (Yeah, it's
>lame: take it up with Stan!)

>Comment: Both Kurt and Tom buzzed in with incorrect answers that I'm not
>recalling, but both waited until the question had been read, so no penalty.

Correction number 1: Actually, Tom, I'm the one who buzzed in with a
wrong answer here, namely "Doom was considered dead at the time." He
was considered dead after about half his stories in that era, so I
figured it couldn't hurt.

I did like Kurt's "addressing the UN" answer -- and my god, the true
answer is so, SO terrible.

>Final tossup stats:

>Tom Galloway: 7 correct, 1 incorrect interrupt
>Tim Lynch: 4 correct

And correction number 2: by your own tallies, I've got three right,
not four.

>As always, it was lots of fun.

No argument here. I'm in for next year if I'm in attendance, to be
sure (even if it means I miss the LotR panel -- you *will* work on
that, o organizer...)

And in a different post, John C. Baker asks:

> Is this the same Tim Lynch known for his Trek reviews? (He
> occasionally mentions Marvel comics in said reviews.)

That it is. I needed something to do with all the newfound free
time. (And if you believe THAT one...)

TWL

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