STINKIN' BADGER
MBaron2156
Yo! Como se va? Hey, Larry! I'm tawkin' atchoo! Yes, a new Badger
series debuts in May from Shadowline comics. The first issue features
newcomer Matt Roach. If you like Berni Wrightson and Kelley Jones, you'll
like Matt. Trust me. The first issue necessarily deals with...the Roach
Wrangler. It is called "Betelgeuse." Now...where are my geese?!
Scowling Jim Cowling
That's nice, Mike. But this is your second ad in the last 24 hours, so you're
rapidly moving past the point of providing useful information into the "you're
pissing me off and wasting my time" area, which'll force me to ignore a book
I'd normally pick up.
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Jess Nevins
Scowling Jim Cowling wrote:
>
> In article <19970113121...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mbaro...@aol.com (MBaron2156) wrote:
> >Yo! Como se va? Hey, Larry! I'm tawkin' atchoo! Yes, a new Badger
> >series debuts in May from Shadowline comics. The first issue features
> >newcomer Matt Roach. If you like Berni Wrightson and Kelley Jones, you'll
> >like Matt. Trust me. The first issue necessarily deals with...the Roach
> >Wrangler. It is called "Betelgeuse." Now...where are my geese?!
>
> That's nice, Mike. But this is your second ad in the last 24 hours, so you're
> rapidly moving past the point of providing useful information into the "you're
> pissing me off and wasting my time" area, which'll force me to ignore a book
> I'd normally pick up.
Well, Mr. Baron, I'm glad you posted this, as I wouldn't have known about it
otherwise.
jess nevins
ML Compton
Someone with the name scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com (Scowling Jim
Cowling) wrote something like this:
>In article <19970113121...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mbaro...@aol.com (MBaron2156) wrote:
>>Yo! Como se va? Hey, Larry! I'm tawkin' atchoo! Yes, a new Badger
>>series debuts in May from Shadowline comics. The first issue features
>>newcomer Matt Roach. If you like Berni Wrightson and Kelley Jones, you'll
>>like Matt. Trust me. The first issue necessarily deals with...the Roach
>>Wrangler. It is called "Betelgeuse." Now...where are my geese?!
>That's nice, Mike. But this is your second ad in the last 24 hours, so you're
>rapidly moving past the point of providing useful information into the "you're
>pissing me off and wasting my time" area, which'll force me to ignore a book
>I'd normally pick up.
Time to delurk for a second. Mike's so-called "ADS" are one of the
main reasons I read these comics newsgroups. I could care less about
most of the reviews, but I do want the information about new projects
and things that are going on with old ones, and this is something that
rec.arts.comics.information never seems to supply. There seems to be a
small group of long-time posters on this group that act like they own
the group. I would suggest, Jim, that if you don't like a post like
this, then shut your mouth and don't read it or the book its
"advertising". Post like yours are loud-mouthed and a bigger waste of
bandwidth around here than the original post you're complaining about.
--ML COMPTON-- The highlights of the last week:
HOLGER CZUKAY & DR. WALKER "Live" A founding member of CAN and one of
Germany's best new DJs create some of the most wacked out dance music
I've heard in a long time. "THE PEOPLE VS. LARRY FLYNT" Maybe not the
best movie of the year, but probably the most important. THIS WEEK'S
QUOTE (Thanks Ruth for this!) "The BIBLE contains six admonishments to
homosexuals and three hundred sixty two admonishments to heterosexuals.
That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that
they need more supervision." - LYNNE LAVNER
Joe Arendt
In article <5be238$2...@news2.cais.com>,
dan...@pacificnet.net (ML Compton) writes:
>Someone with the name scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com (Scowling Jim
>Cowling) wrote something like this:
>
>>In article <19970113121...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mbaro...@aol.com (MBaron2156) wrote:
>>>Yo! Como se va? Hey, Larry! I'm tawkin' atchoo! Yes, a new Badger
>>>series debuts in May from Shadowline comics. The first issue features
>>>newcomer Matt Roach. If you like Berni Wrightson and Kelley Jones, you'll
>>>like Matt. Trust me. The first issue necessarily deals with...the Roach
>>>Wrangler. It is called "Betelgeuse." Now...where are my geese?!
>
>>That's nice, Mike. But this is your second ad in the last 24 hours,
>>so you're
>>rapidly moving past the point of providing useful information into
>>the "you're
>>pissing me off and wasting my time" area, which'll force me to ignore a book
>>I'd normally pick up.
>
>Time to delurk for a second. Mike's so-called "ADS" are one of the
>main reasons I read these comics newsgroups.
>--ML COMPTON-- The highlights of the last week:
The Badger, back when it was published by Capitol Comics, was
what got me back into comics after many years of not buying any. That
it was set in Madison, Wisconsin and I was then living there
undoubtedly helped. The city was recognizable. Sykes was seriously
insane. It made for an interesting comic.
Having Ham the Weather Wizard responsible for the Barneveld
tornado was brilliant. (For those who don't know, the town of
Barneveld outside Madison got hit so badly by a tornado that it was
declared a national disaster area. The Badger comic had the chutzpah
to claim Ham caused that.)
Later, with Badger at First Comics, I found it too bloody and
violent for my tastes. The psychological aspects seemed mostly gone.
Now, it was about slicing people with knives or ripping their guts out
with some sort of hooks on the backs of Badger's hands. He seemed
only the Badger now, concerned only about kicking butt.
So, I stopped getting Badger.
Years later, my brother got me a graphic novel of the Badger
for a Christmas present. He knew of my fondness for the early Badger
issues. This graphic novel had Badger in Thailand in some contest
with fierce fights to the death.
I hated it.
If this new series is going to bloody like that, that's fine.
I just won't buy it is all.
Joseph Arendt
Denise L. Voskuil
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:21:15 GMT, dan...@pacificnet.net (ML Compton)
wrote:
>Someone with the name scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com (Scowling Jim
>Cowling) wrote something like this:
>>rapidly moving past the point of providing useful information into the "you're
>>pissing me off and wasting my time" area, which'll force me to ignore a book
>>I'd normally pick up.
>Time to delurk for a second. Mike's so-called "ADS" are one of the
>main reasons I read these comics newsgroups. I could care less about
>most of the reviews, but I do want the information about new projects
>and things that are going on with old ones, and this is something that
>rec.arts.comics.information never seems to supply.
Creators can post announcements to rac.info (many do), and then it
_would_ be supplied there.
>There seems to be a
>small group of long-time posters on this group that act like they own
>the group. I would suggest, Jim, that if you don't like a post like
>this, then shut your mouth and don't read it or the book its
>"advertising". Post like yours are loud-mouthed and a bigger waste of
>bandwidth around here than the original post you're complaining about.
If Mr. Baron had used a "HYPE" keyword, then it'd have been fine -
that can be killfiled if people don't want to see it, and it's still
on topic and not as annoying as unlabeled ads/hype.
- Denise
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Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Mike Baron (mbaro...@aol.com) wrote:
: Yo! Como se va? Hey, Larry! I'm tawkin' atchoo! Yes, a new Badger
: series debuts in May from Shadowline comics. The first issue features
: newcomer Matt Roach. If you like Berni Wrightson and Kelley Jones, you'll
: like Matt. Trust me. The first issue necessarily deals with...the Roach
: Wrangler. It is called "Betelgeuse." Now...where are my geese?!
Not knowing a darn thing about Badger, I'm going to assume you're the
writer of the series, Mike?
- Elayne
--
"...there are those who maintain we are mutating away from reproducing. I
am of the mind we will continue copying ourselves. And so we are still
driven to find love, and use that guise to scratch our world away."
- Abigail Stone, from the book "E-mail Bride"
Jeremy Billones
In article <32dae5e6...@news.mcs.net>,
Denise L. Voskuil <dvoskuil@_delete_mcs.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:21:15 GMT, dan...@pacificnet.net (ML Compton) wrote:
>>Someone with the name scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com (Scowling Jim
>>Cowling) wrote something like this:
<<<
That's nice, Mike. But this is your second ad in the last 24 hours, so you're
rapidly moving past the point of providing useful information into the "you're
pissing me off and wasting my time" area, which'll force me to ignore a book
I'd normally pick up.
>>>
>>Time to delurk for a second. Mike's so-called "ADS" are one of the
>>main reasons I read these comics newsgroups. I could care less about
>>most of the reviews, but I do want the information about new projects
>>and things that are going on with old ones, and this is something that
>>rec.arts.comics.information never seems to supply.
>
>Creators can post announcements to rac.info (many do), and then it
>_would_ be supplied there.
Now that's a cue if I've ever heard one :)
In my first week as moderator, I've bounced about a dozen articles back
to their authors. A couple were spam, and a couple were questions that
should have gone on a discussion newsgroup. Two were press releases
announcing new comic books. It seemed to me that those releases were
more advertisement than information, and I don't want RACI to turn into
CBG (100 pages of ads, 10 of information). OTOH, I saw a posting from
tyg here on RACM regarding the Ichan/Perlman fight over Marvel which I
probably would have passed through to RACI without thinking twice about it.
I remember Cowling brought up the subject of press releases/ads a few
months back, but I don't recall any consensus being reached. Opinions?
[Followups set to poster, but feel free to reset.]
Jeremy Billones, moderator, rec.arts.comics.info
Jeremy Billones http://www.primenet.com/~billones/
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Nat Gertler
Bill Roper wrote:
>
> Right. Nexus and Badger (both written by Mike Baron) started out at Capitol
> City Comics and moved to First Comics when CC folded. Nexus has been at
> Dark Horse for a while now and I'm happy to see that the Badger has a new
> home.
>
And, to keep things clear, Badger also did some appearing over at
The Horse Of Color (not to be confused with The Horse Of Ideas).
Steve Simmons
mbaro...@aol.com (MBaron2156) writes:
>Yo! Como se va? Hey, Larry! I'm tawkin' atchoo! Yes, a new Badger
>series debuts in May from Shadowline comics. The first issue features
>newcomer Matt Roach. . . .
I'm cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, but don't try to pass off that Carob Crunch on
me! Is Matt Roach writing, drawing, appearing, or what?
And don't geese me in public!
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Bill Roper (ro...@MCS.COM) wrote:
: [And -- an aside to Jim Cowling -- if this isn't the appropriate group for
: this posting, then what the heck is? The non-existant rac.announce?]
I believe Jim's complaint was that Mike had posted the information twice.
Frankly, my ISP's server has been so erratic of late that I've only seen
this one posting. And I think it's extremely tacky to netcop over a
repeat, on-topic posting; I mean, really, sometimes a server hiccups and a
post gets sent twice. It's happened with Priest a couple times lately.
Sean Med
Such grouches.
Glad to hear about Badger, Mike. Is this going to be the nutty Badger or
the Jill Thompson-drawn version?
Sean
Bill Roper
In article <5bgack$qkv$4...@sanjuan.islandnet.com>,
Scowling Jim Cowling <scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com> wrote:
>In article <5bg7s6$soq$1...@Jupiter.Mcs.Net>, ro...@MCS.COM (Bill Roper) wrote:
>>
>>[And -- an aside to Jim Cowling -- if this isn't the appropriate group for
>>this posting, then what the heck is? The non-existant rac.announce?]
>
>and a waste of my time.
Ok, although I only saw it pop once on my server as did -- apparently --
Elayne, so there may be a propagation problem of some kind.
[Occasionally, my ISP hangs while trying to post an article and I don't
know whether it's been spooled or not. This sometimes causes me to post
a duplicate article. Don't know what happened with Mike Baron...]
--
Bill Roper, ro...@mcs.net
Scowling Jim Cowling
In article <5bga9f$l...@panix.com>, fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
>Bill Roper (ro...@MCS.COM) wrote:
>
>: [And -- an aside to Jim Cowling -- if this isn't the appropriate group for
>: this posting, then what the heck is? The non-existant rac.announce?]
>
My complaint was not a complaint. It was an observation that two non-content
hype posts (I mean, really, there wasn't any content to speak of) in such a
short time, in two different threads, in less than 24 hours, is annoying
-- to me. It's also enough to make me think a third post was coming soon.
>this one posting. And I think it's extremely tacky to netcop over a
>repeat, on-topic posting; I mean, really, sometimes a server hiccups and a
Me, too. Good thing I wasn't netcopping. I specifically stated that I (me)
was personally (not imprinting this in a general sense on any other person)
was getting annoyed, and that I (me) was thinking (and not ascribing to the
notion that anyone else should also have this opinion) about not buying the
book.
F*ck. Advice, Elayne: drop the subject now.
MBaron2156
This going to be totally off-the-wall, crazier than you believed possible,
possibly grotesque and offensive zen pop funny animal Badger. That guy
Jim IS kind of easy to piss off, isn't he?
Bill Roper
In article <5bfrm7$d...@panix.com>,
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput <fire...@panix.com> wrote:
>Mike Baron (mbaro...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Yo! Como se va? Hey, Larry! I'm tawkin' atchoo! Yes, a new Badger
>: series debuts in May from Shadowline comics. The first issue features
>: like Matt. Trust me. The first issue necessarily deals with...the Roach
>: Wrangler. It is called "Betelgeuse." Now...where are my geese?!
>
>Not knowing a darn thing about Badger, I'm going to assume you're the
>writer of the series, Mike?
Right. Nexus and Badger (both written by Mike Baron) started out at Capitol
City Comics and moved to First Comics when CC folded. Nexus has been at
Dark Horse for a while now and I'm happy to see that the Badger has a new
home.
Since I don't get Previews, I'm delighted that Mike posted this info here
so that I can find the revival of this series. (Because if I don't preorder
it, I won't see it...)
[And -- an aside to Jim Cowling -- if this isn't the appropriate group for
this posting, then what the heck is? The non-existant rac.announce?]
--
Bill Roper, ro...@mcs.net
Scowling Jim Cowling
>this posting, then what the heck is? The non-existant rac.announce?]
This is the right newsgroup. Multiple insertions on the same day are annoying
and a waste of my time.
Michael R. Grabois
yeah, well, some people are like that. Just ask Tony Isabella.
But anyway, I'm looking forward to Norbert's return. Can you enlighten us as
to why it's coming from Shadowline and not Dark Horse? And can you tell us
more about Shadowline itself? If it's not new, I don't think I've heard of it
before.
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Houston, TX | or...@ix.netcom.com CI$: 74737,2600
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MBaron2156
Yo, I found Scowling Jim Cowling's message on my e-mail this morning,
kind of a snotty little "You've just lost a sale" kinda thang. But when I
tried to reply to Jim, my mail was returned "daemon/mailer host unknown."
It seems Jim can invade my computer to insult me, but I can't return the
favor. So permit me to say, keep your three bucks, Jim. Invest it
wisely. And keep on scowling. Sincerely, Mike Baron
thad a doria
In article <19970114184...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
MBaron2156 <mbaro...@aol.com> wrote:
>This going to be totally off-the-wall, crazier than you believed possible,
>possibly grotesque and offensive zen pop funny animal Badger. That guy
>Jim IS kind of easy to piss off, isn't he?
He sure is. That's why Jim's in my killfile, and you're not.
Welcome to the net, Mike. Have you gotten the rights to Nexus back from
Dark Horse yet?
--
-Thad Doria
"Wsssssshhhhhhhttt. Goldust."
Katharine Weizel
In article <19970115130...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Mike?
I think you need to read Jim's posts more clearly when replying, hm?
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+ (Scowling Jim Cowling) |-(1)--(1)+-(1)--(1)
[1] Re: STINKIN' BADGER | |-(1)--(1)--(1)
Date: Tue Jan 14 10:03:38 CST 1997 | \-(1)--(1)--[1]
Organization: Island Net in Victoria, B.C. \-(1)
+ Canada
[snip main part of post]
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Bill Roper
In article <19970115130...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
MBaron2156 <mbaro...@aol.com> wrote:
>Yo, I found Scowling Jim Cowling's message on my e-mail this morning,
>kind of a snotty little "You've just lost a sale" kinda thang. But when I
>tried to reply to Jim, my mail was returned "daemon/mailer host unknown."
Jim's e-mail reply address contains the phrase "deleteme.", which must
be removed in order to successfully reply to the message. It's a totem
used to ward off spammers.
Don't feel bad -- my first reply bounced too, because I don't usually
bother to read the addresses in detail.
--
Bill Roper, ro...@mcs.net
Rodney Boles
In article <19970115130...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mbaro...@aol.com (MBaron2156) writes:
|> Yo, I found Scowling Jim Cowling's message on my e-mail this morning,
|> kind of a snotty little "You've just lost a sale" kinda thang. But when I
|> tried to reply to Jim, my mail was returned "daemon/mailer host unknown."
|> favor. So permit me to say, keep your three bucks, Jim. Invest it
|> wisely. And keep on scowling. Sincerely, Mike Baron
Hey, guess what Mike? You've just lost another sale. If you have
something about Badger to post, then do it, but keep this crap
elsewhere please.
Rodney
Mogen Dave
I thought Cowling left because he was so irritated by racm? Well, I'm glad
he's back. Things are a lot more interesting with him around, the cranky
cuss.
Dave
bma...@utmem1.utmem.edu
In article <32dae5e6...@news.mcs.net>, dvoskuil@_delete_mcs.com
(Denise L. Voskuil) wrote:
> If Mr. Baron had used a "HYPE" keyword, then it'd have been fine -
> that can be killfiled if people don't want to see it, and it's still
> on topic and not as annoying as unlabeled ads/hype.
>
> - Denise
If you are annoyed by the simple absence of a HYPE label, then you must be
constantly annoyed dealing the different perosanlities present in the real
world. Do you get irritated on a daily basis by junk mail?
This has got to be the most trivial complaint I have ever come across.
B. Martin
Jess Nevins
Tellya what, Mr. Baron - for every putz that says "You've lost a sale because
of this post," I'll buy a copy to make up for it.
jess nevins
Bradly E. Peterson
bill...@primenet.com (Jeremy Billones) done said this here deal:
(Blah, blah, snip, yaddah, yaddah, snippety, blah, snip, yaddah)
>I remember Cowling brought up the subject of press releases/ads a few
>months back, but I don't recall any consensus being reached. Opinions?
I usually only (officially) plug the Psychodrama Cafe Comic Book
Legal Defense Fund Special #1 once or twice a month. I can see
maybe one announcement/hype post per book per week being
reasonable. It might also help cut down traffic if the company
or person could consolidate as many of their books into one post
as possible.
As for my opinion, I feel that hype posts qualify as industry
news in a way. When something new hits the stands, it's news...
Right?
Stuart Moore gives a plug for the Helix books he edits and I look
forward to reading them. They are blissfully short and to the
point, unlike my shameless plugs. heh...
Anyone else? Opinions?
Spread Love...
Play Nice...
Read Comics!!!
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Psychodrama Press
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Denise L. Voskuil
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:06:24 -0600, bma...@utmem1.utmem.edu wrote:
>In article <32dae5e6...@news.mcs.net>, dvoskuil@_delete_mcs.com
>(Denise L. Voskuil) wrote:
>> If Mr. Baron had used a "HYPE" keyword, then it'd have been fine -
>> that can be killfiled if people don't want to see it, and it's still
>> on topic and not as annoying as unlabeled ads/hype.
>If you are annoyed by the simple absence of a HYPE label, then you must be
>constantly annoyed dealing the different perosanlities present in the real
>world. Do you get irritated on a daily basis by junk mail?
>This has got to be the most trivial complaint I have ever come across.
I was merely explaining the reason for Jim Cowling's complaint (at
least my interpretation of it), not registering my own. _Jim Cowling_
was annoyed, and _ML Compton_ was annoyed by his annoyance (or at
least his method of expressing it). I then tried to explain it, and
you complained about my "complaint" that wasn't one. (That should get
those following along at home back up to speed. :) )
BTW, I AM annoyed by daily junk _E-mail_ - did you notice the spam
avoidance method mentioned in my .sig? With the sheer volume of mail
I get daily and the fact that I often run close to my disk quota, the
amount of spam I get becomes a big pain.
- Denise
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Ted Faber
bma...@utmem1.utmem.edu writes:
>This has got to be the most trivial complaint I have ever come across.
How I envy you.
--
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"Imagine the most abhorrent person. Let's call him Ted." -- Peter Himmelman
Mike Chary
Jess Nevins <jjne...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Scowling Jim Cowling wrote:
>>
>> In article <32DDB3...@ix.netcom.com>, Jess Nevins <jjne...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Tellya what, Mr. Baron - for every putz that says "You've lost a sale because
>> >of this post," I'll buy a copy to make up for it.
>>
>> something, 50 people have the same outlook.
>>
>> Does this mean you'll buy 100 copies?
>
>And these would be the same marketers, I presume, who've led Marvel into such
>a position of industry strength?
Are you claiming that Marvel *isn't* in a position of industry strength?
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Bill Roper (ro...@MCS.COM) wrote:
: In article <5bgack$qkv$4...@sanjuan.islandnet.com>,
: >>
: >>[And -- an aside to Jim Cowling -- if this isn't the appropriate group for
: >>this posting, then what the heck is? The non-existant rac.announce?]
: >
: >This is the right newsgroup. Multiple insertions on the same day are annoying
: >and a waste of my time.
: Ok, although I only saw it pop once on my server as did -- apparently --
: Elayne, so there may be a propagation problem of some kind.
In addition, I've noticed MANY multiple insertions of AOL posts the last
few days (well, when they finally feed to my server =sigh=). I think
their gateway is screwy again.
- Elayne
--
Please be aware that my news feed from Panix has recently been VERY
erratic, meaning that many of your posts are scrolling to my server out of
order or late (a few as much as *nine days* afterwards). So trust me, I'm
probably not ignoring you. <g> Thanks for your patience and understanding!
Abhay Khosla
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Scowling Jim Cowling wrote:
> In article <5bg7s6$soq$1...@Jupiter.Mcs.Net>, ro...@MCS.COM (Bill Roper)wrote:
> >[And -- an aside to Jim Cowling -- if this isn't the appropriate group for
> >this posting, then what the heck is? The non-existant rac.announce?]
> This is the right newsgroup. Multiple insertions on the same day are annoying
> and a waste of my time.
I get annoying if you're paying for the bandwith, but how long does it
take to hit that next message key? Then again, I qualify any large period
of time in front of a computer not programming or for work a time-waste...
-Abhay
akh...@umich.edu
Rodney Boles
In article <19970116061...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, arqu...@aol.com (Arqueille) writes:
|> I, for one, am more than eager to hear any news Mr. Baron has to tell us
|> about _Badger_, _Nexus_ or anything else he has going on.
|> -----------------------------
|> Bob Kennedy
|> Washington, DC
|> Come see Mprov Thursday nights at 7:00
|> My Brother's Place, 237 2nd St. NW Washington, DC
|> Or, check out out website: http://users.aol.com/MprovDC
|>
Did you read my append? I said something to the effect of "if
you've got news about Badger, then post it. But please stop wasting
our time with this crap." I'm all for HYPE: type posts. Mike, pay
attention to how Kurt Busiek or Steve Grant handle things here.
What really was innapropriate was to post twice, under two
different headings about Badger, with crap about Scowling.
You started a new thread "BADGER NEWS" that had nothing about
Badger. If I had seen a thread saying "Scowling sucks" or something,
then I would have just ignored it. I was interested in what you had
to say about a new Badger series, and you post this crap. THAT is why
you are probably not going to get me to pick up the book (that I
was interested enough in to read your posts). You could probably
redeem yourself, but you better start soon!
Rodney
MikeGold
Rodney, it sounds like you're angry with Mike Baron for not being as
computer literate, or at least as experienced with e-mail denials, as you
are. Mike is entitled to a non-violent emotional response, as are you.
Don't buy his book if you don't want to, for whatever reason you want, but
don't impose limits on his free speech. Blackmailing somebody in the
manner you employed is sophomoric.
MBaron2156
Apologies to all whom I offended by neglecting the HYPE label. Ignorance
is no excuse. I shall proceed more cautiously in the future. Mike Baron
MBaron2156
You know, if I keep up this way, I'm going to piss off thousands more
readers than ever heard of the Badger! They'll be standing line around
the block not to buy my book! I shall endeavour to follow net etiquette
more closely. I might have to read the rules. 'Stinkin' Baron
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Scowling Jim Cowling (scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com) wrote:
: >I believe Jim's complaint was that Mike had posted the information twice.
: My complaint was not a complaint. It was an observation that two non-content
: hype posts (I mean, really, there wasn't any content to speak of) in such a
: short time, in two different threads, in less than 24 hours, is annoying
: -- to me. It's also enough to make me think a third post was coming soon.
Thank you for the clarification.
: I wasn't netcopping. I specifically stated that I (me)
: was personally (not imprinting this in a general sense on any other person)
: was getting annoyed, and that I (me) was thinking (and not ascribing to the
: notion that anyone else should also have this opinion) about not buying the
: book.
: F*ck. Advice, Elayne: drop the subject now.
Good advice for us all, Jim. Thanks again.
Rodney Boles
Mike,
I'm just trying to understand why Mike Baron posted twice under
two different subject headings, one of which said "Badger News".
He started a new subject ("Badger News") that had nothing to do
with Badger. If he has real "Badger News", then post it. But
a subject like that seems intended to draw in people who are
interested in the comic. Instead, what we got was something
personal aimed at Scowling. I easily can forgive Mike for his email
problem. If he had titles his post "SCOWLING: How do I email you?"
or something, hey, no problem. But to post twice and call one
Badger News wasn't appropriate. As others have pointed out, if
he is new and wants to understand how things work, there are
plenty of ways to do it. If he wasn't a creator, everyone would be
blasting him, imo.
Rodney
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Bradly E. Peterson (marv...@barefactsbbs.com) wrote:
: bill...@primenet.com (Jeremy Billones) done said this here deal:
: >I remember Cowling brought up the subject of press releases/ads a few
: >months back, but I don't recall any consensus being reached. Opinions?
: I usually only (officially) plug the Psychodrama Cafe Comic Book
: Legal Defense Fund Special #1 once or twice a month. I can see
: maybe one announcement/hype post per book per week being
: reasonable. It might also help cut down traffic if the company
: or person could consolidate as many of their books into one post
: as possible.
: As for my opinion, I feel that hype posts qualify as industry
: news in a way. When something new hits the stands, it's news...
: Right?
: Stuart Moore gives a plug for the Helix books he edits and I look
: forward to reading them. They are blissfully short and to the
: point, unlike my shameless plugs. heh...
: Anyone else? Opinions?
Thanks for redirecting this back to the newsgroup (which I, being an
idiot, couldn't figure out how to do <g>), because I wanted to add my two
cents as well.
First of all, I agree with everything you say. Most of the people who
seem to hype their books around here-- well, yeah, you could tell they're
ads, but they all say [HYPE] (or they should) and they all have
informational content, in my opinion. Ads are informational, whether we
like them or not. I don't think people hyping their upcoming comics
threaten to take over raci at any time (if anything, it's the *reviews*
that have done that-- and I bear no small amount of responsibility for
this occurrence-- which is why we're discussing the possibility of
creating a separate rec.arts.comics.reviews group right now in the
newsgroup called news.groups), and I think it's absolutely on-topic in
that particular venue.
I'd be curious to see how the Scowling One feels about this. I'm almost
positive he's put through hype posts in raci before. Jim?
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Mike Gold (mike...@aol.com) wrote:
: Rodney, it sounds like you're angry with Mike Baron for not being as
: computer literate, or at least as experienced with e-mail denials, as you
: are.
Well, I'm not Rodney, nor do I play him on TV, but I can understand why
some people get upset that other people don't seem to take the time to
read about how things are done on Usenet and specifically on rac* before
participating herein. After all, that's what the recent META Thread From
Hell was about, in a way. I'd rather they didn't respond angrily, but as
you say, we're all entitled to emotional responses. I wouldn't take a
blackmail threat that literally.
Steven Williams
Hmm... don't worry, I'll still buy the book! And congrats on the new
series (from Image?).
Steven Williams
Swilli_T...@juno.com
MikeGold
>And, IMHO, your "blackmailing...is sophomoric" comment is socially
blindered.
>What good is a personal boycott (in no way or form is it "blackmail")
unless
>the target is aware of it?
Sorry, but IMHO, e-mail/Usenet "blackmailing" is sophomoric. What we need
here in these troubled times is a kinder, more gentle world, where
everybody respects one another and can handle differences of both opinion
and technique in a sane and loving manner. And if you don't respect that,
buddy, I'll rip off your head and shit down your neck.
Alan D. Earhart
In article <19970117015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
sea...@aol.com (Sean Med) wrote:
> The idea of burning comics written by those you disagree with is terrific.
> Seig Heil!
*Sheesh*
There's a big difference between burning your own collection and trying to
force others to burn their books.
--
alan
aear...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu
Unofficial Fantastic Four Page at-
<http://members.aol.com/earhartal/comics/ffweb.html>
Derrick Rowlandson
Just let me say that I'm embarassed for at least some of us long time net.news
users, and long time comics fans, that Jim acted the way he did. What you did
was within reason, and even if it wasn't, Jim could have reacted in a more
diplomatic and polite manner.
ps: good news about the Badger, the Zen-Pop funny anumal version is the only
one of interest to me.
Derrick
Carl Fink
>Tellya what, Mr. Baron - for every putz that says "You've lost a sale because
>of this post," I'll buy a copy to make up for it.
I really wanted to buy the comic, but this is irresistable:
Mr. Baron, you've lost a sale because of Jess' post.
(Luckily there's no way Jess can check whether I actually buy it.)
--
Carl Fink ca...@panix.com
The threatened email attack on my account has failed to materialize, and I'm
ending my policy of digitally signing everything I mail or post.
Scowling Jim Cowling
In article <19970116161...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mike...@aol.com (MikeGold) wrote:
>Rodney, it sounds like you're angry with Mike Baron for not being as
>computer literate, or at least as experienced with e-mail denials, as you
>Don't buy his book if you don't want to, for whatever reason you want, but
>don't impose limits on his free speech. Blackmailing somebody in the
>manner you employed is sophomoric.
Hi, Mike.
I think you're under the false impression that usage of Usenet is in any way
covered by free speech.
Due to a rather nasty exchange with Baron by e-mail (I'm quite willing to
forward copies of mail) his Usenet access through his current provider is
likely to have imposed limits. Strangely, this would be the second time in
the last year that I'll have had to take similar action against.
Although I'm starting to wonder whether the person in question really *is*
Mike Baron, because a quick survey of both postings and e-mail from the person
claiming to be Baron indicates to me that he has no writing talent (and again,
since I currently* own a near-complete set of Badger, I know this to have not
been the case in the past).
And, IMHO, your "blackmailing...is sophomoric" comment is socially blindered.
What good is a personal boycott (in no way or form is it "blackmail") unless
the target is aware of it?
(*) Since they have no real resale value, should I get reasonable evidence
that the Mike Baron e-mail address is really Baron, I'll certainly trash
and/or burn them.
Jess Nevins
> >> >
> >> >Tellya what, Mr. Baron - for every putz that says "You've lost a sale because
> >> >of this post," I'll buy a copy to make up for it.
> >>
> >> something, 50 people have the same outlook.
> >>
> >> Does this mean you'll buy 100 copies?
> >
> >And these would be the same marketers, I presume, who've led Marvel into such
> >a position of industry strength?
>
> Are you claiming that Marvel *isn't* in a position of industry strength?
They are certainly a great deal less than they once were.
jess
Bradly E. Peterson
mike...@aol.com (MikeGold) done said this here deal:
>>And, IMHO, your "blackmailing...is sophomoric" comment is socially
>blindered.
>>What good is a personal boycott (in no way or form is it "blackmail")
>unless
>>the target is aware of it?
>Sorry, but IMHO, e-mail/Usenet "blackmailing" is sophomoric. What we need
>here in these troubled times is a kinder, more gentle world, where
>everybody respects one another and can handle differences of both opinion
>and technique in a sane and loving manner. And if you don't respect that,
>buddy, I'll rip off your head and shit down your neck.
Now, now, Mike... That's not the way we do things here. It's
freshmanic, not sophomoric. Oh, and one removes the cranial
appendage and deficates into the esophagheal passage. That's
ever so much kinder and motherfucking gentler. heh...
Later man...
Alan D. Earhart
In article <19970117032...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
sea...@aol.com (Sean Med) wrote:
> Alan D. Earhart wrote:
>
> <<*Sheesh*
>
> There's a big difference between burning your own collection and trying to
> force others to burn their books.>>
>
> Sheesh yourself. Lighten up. If Cowling wants to burn stuff because the
> bad man yelled at him, that's just peachy.
Gosh, and I thought it was you who needed to lighten up. Who was it that
made the moronic Nazi reference?
Perspective. Get some.
Arqueille
Scowling Jim Cowling
In article <32DDB3...@ix.netcom.com>, Jess Nevins <jjne...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Tellya what, Mr. Baron - for every putz that says "You've lost a sale because
>of this post," I'll buy a copy to make up for it.
Guess what? It's a marketing tenet that for every person who complains about
something, 50 people have the same outlook.
Does this mean you'll buy 100 copies?
Jess Nevins
Scowling Jim Cowling wrote:
>
> In article <32DDB3...@ix.netcom.com>, Jess Nevins <jjne...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >Tellya what, Mr. Baron - for every putz that says "You've lost a sale because
> >of this post," I'll buy a copy to make up for it.
>
> Guess what? It's a marketing tenet that for every person who complains about
> something, 50 people have the same outlook.
>
> Does this mean you'll buy 100 copies?
And these would be the same marketers, I presume, who've led Marvel into such
a position of industry strength?
jess
Sean Med
The idea of burning comics written by those you disagree with is terrific.
Seig Heil!
Sean
Vermilion
In article <5bmckr$rvc$1...@sanjuan.islandnet.com> scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>since I currently* own a near-complete set of Badger...
>(*) Since they have no real resale value, should I get reasonable evidence
>that the Mike Baron e-mail address is really Baron, I'll certainly trash
>and/or burn them.
Hmmm. Well, now. This may be about the most childish thing I've heard in
quite a while on here. Burn them damnable comics, Jim, burn 'em up good!
That'll teach him!
- Vermilion, who can't believe this thread is being perpetuated by grown
adults. Burn your comics, eh? Don't you have some real problems you
could be fussing over instead? Hell, I'll take them off your hands -
I don't mind free comics, and since you won't be reading them...
Vermilion
In article aear...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Alan D. Earhart) writes:
>In article <19970117015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>sea...@aol.com (Sean Med) wrote:
>> The idea of burning comics written by those you disagree with is terrific.
>> Seig Heil!
>*Sheesh*
>There's a big difference between burning your own collection and trying to
>force others to burn their books.
Yeah, one's oppressive, and the other one's just stupid.
- Vermilion, who buys comics to read. When I want something to burn, I
usually get wood - a bit more cost effective.
Bob Heer
scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com (Scowling Jim Cowling) wrote
>>Tellya what, Mr. Baron - for every putz that says "You've lost a sale because
>>of this post," I'll buy a copy to make up for it.
>
> Guess what? It's a marketing tenet that for every person who complains about
> something, 50 people have the same outlook.
On behalf of the 49 other guys I represent, give it up. I checked
DejaNews to find out what Baron did wrong (it was obviously a post I
missed since I only saw one Badger promo post). There was the "Stinkin'
Badger" post (which was entertaining enough, though perhaps lacking
information. He should probably have mentioned that Shadowline is Jim
Valentino's imprint of Image, so people interested in ordering the book
know where to look for it. Remember, look for Badger in the Image section
of your catalogs). And there was a =one-line= post replying to the
alt.fan.furry list of furry publishers (which one could quibble with since
Badger =isn't= a "furry" character as commonly defined by a.f.f., but he
is furry). Is that what you're complaining about? Bad enough when you
people turn minor transgressions into major flamewars, but you've done it
over a non-existant transgression.
(sorry for adding to this crap, but no one seems to have mentioned that
Baron's "transgression" was a semi-relevant one-line post taking up less
bandwidth than Cowlings sig (or mine), and no one seemed to mention yet
that Shadowline was an imprint of Image, which someone else obviously
wasn't aware of)
(and I wasn't going to pick up the new BADGER series after not much
liking what I read in the Dark Horse issues, but maybe now I shall)
Bob
bg...@torfree.net, occasional editor of Gunk'l'dunk,
a Beanworld newsletter. E-mail me for details
++
I myself have a marriage. It happened to me in Arizona, which is a state. So
is California, where they have beaches that have women on them that like to
marry men.
--
Mike Chary
MikeGold <mike...@aol.com> wrote:
>>And, IMHO, your "blackmailing...is sophomoric" comment is socially
>blindered.
>>What good is a personal boycott (in no way or form is it "blackmail")
>unless
>>the target is aware of it?
>
>Sorry, but IMHO, e-mail/Usenet "blackmailing" is sophomoric. What we need
>here in these troubled times is a kinder, more gentle world, where
>everybody respects one another and can handle differences of both opinion
>and technique in a sane and loving manner. And if you don't respect that,
>buddy, I'll rip off your head and shit down your neck.
This statement was no doubt meant humorously. However, just to show how
these things can escalate when different people jump in, if you want a
piece of Jim, he's in Canada. I'm probably a much shorter trip, and since
he's a buddy of mine, why don't you try me first? :>
--
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eggs one at a time. Pour into pastry crust. Chill 7 hours or until set.
Derrick Rowlandson
are...@bme.ri.ccf.org (Joe Arendt) writes:
> Later, with Badger at First Comics, I found it too bloody and
>violent for my tastes. The psychological aspects seemed mostly gone.
>Now, it was about slicing people with knives or ripping their guts out
>with some sort of hooks on the backs of Badger's hands. He seemed
>only the Badger now, concerned only about kicking butt.
> So, I stopped getting Badger.
> Years later, my brother got me a graphic novel of the Badger
>for a Christmas present. He knew of my fondness for the early Badger
>issues. This graphic novel had Badger in Thailand in some contest
>with fierce fights to the death.
> I hated it.
Joseph - these are my sentiments exactly! I love the wacky Badger, but when
the comics were about kung-fu fighting, Badger's mental illness getting
serious considerations or the book got too violent, the book failed
IMHO. The graphic novel I remember being along those lines, as was the horrid
Shattered Mirror series from 2 years back.
Check out the Zen-Pop Funny Animal 2 issue series that came out from
Dark Horse a couple years ago, it was a hoot!
Derrick
Scowling Jim Cowling
In article <5bmgf3$n...@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu>, ma...@po.cwru.edu wrote:
>>Mike Gold sez:
>>
>>Sorry, but IMHO, e-mail/Usenet "blackmailing" is sophomoric. What we need
I'm lost here. What's the difference between writing a letter to a company or
creator, or writing a letter to a trade magazine, or faxing a press release
to a TV station or e-mailing a creator or posting a pertinent message to
Usenet? I'm assumng you're talking about my personal boycott of Baron's stuff
(emphatically not blackmail, Mr. Gold, and I find your use of that word
offensive).
>>here in these troubled times is a kinder, more gentle world, where
>>everybody respects one another and can handle differences of both opinion
>>and technique in a sane and loving manner.
I respect everyone until they open their mouths. Like Harlan Ellison sez,
everyone's entitled to an informed opinion.
>> And if you don't respect that,
>>buddy, I'll rip off your head and shit down your neck.
>
>This statement was no doubt meant humorously. However, just to show how
>these things can escalate when different people jump in, if you want a
>piece of Jim, he's in Canada. I'm probably a much shorter trip, and since
>he's a buddy of mine, why don't you try me first? :>
I'll take it as humourous (and although it might be my imagination, I think
I've seen variations on that gag far more often in recent months than
previously). Once.
Mike Chary
Scowling Jim Cowling <scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com> wrote:
>In article <5bmgf3$n...@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu>, ma...@po.cwru.edu wrote:
>>>Mike Gold sez:
>>>buddy, I'll rip off your head and shit down your neck.
>>
>>This statement was no doubt meant humorously. However, just to show how
>>these things can escalate when different people jump in, if you want a
>>piece of Jim, he's in Canada. I'm probably a much shorter trip, and since
>>he's a buddy of mine, why don't you try me first? :>
>
>I'll take it as humourous (and although it might be my imagination, I think
>I've seen variations on that gag far more often in recent months than
>previously). Once.
It's not your imagination. I have seen more actual physical threats on
Usenet in the past year than in any other since I have been on. It's
getting annoying.
Scowling Jim Cowling
In article <19970117015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, sea...@aol.com (Sean Med) wrote:
>The idea of burning comics written by those you disagree with is terrific.
>Seig Heil!
Oh boy. Another AOL'er who doesn't understand the differtence between
incinerating reading material you own and incinerating reading material you
confiscate.
Sean Med
Alan D. Earhart wrote:
<<*Sheesh*
There's a big difference between burning your own collection and trying to
force others to burn their books.>>
Sheesh yourself. Lighten up. If Cowling wants to burn stuff because the
bad man yelled at him, that's just peachy.
Sean
James Reid
bma...@utmem1.utmem.edu said:
* In article <32dae5e6...@news.mcs.net>, dvoskuil@_delete_mcs.com
* (Denise L. Voskuil) wrote:
*
* > If Mr. Baron had used a "HYPE" keyword, then it'd have been fine -
* > that can be killfiled if people don't want to see it, and it's still
* > on topic and not as annoying as unlabeled ads/hype.
* >
* > - Denise
*
* If you are annoyed by the simple absence of a HYPE label, then you must be
* constantly annoyed dealing the different perosanlities present in the real
* world. Do you get irritated on a daily basis by junk mail?
*
* This has got to be the most trivial complaint I have ever come across.
Agreed. Some people here really need to get some *perspective*.
Welcome to rec.arts.comics.misc, Mike/Mikey/Mr. Baron - we're not all like
Jim Cowling.
--
Ars Longa Vita Brevis,
Sean Med
Alan D. Earhart wrote:
<<Gosh, and I thought it was you who needed to lighten up.>>
You were wrong. No big deal.
<<Perspective. Get some.>>
Already have it. Thanks.
Sean
Moronic Nazi References 'R' Us
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Mike Baron (mbaro...@aol.com) wrote:
: You know, if I keep up this way, I'm going to piss off thousands more
: readers than ever heard of the Badger! They'll be standing line around
: the block not to buy my book! I shall endeavour to follow net etiquette
: more closely. I might have to read the rules. 'Stinkin' Baron
I think this is a very classy apology and acknowledgement of your Usenet,
er, shortcomings. <g> I wish more rac* participants were like you, Mike.
Sean Med
Jim Cowling wrote:
<<Oh boy. Another AOL'er who doesn't understand the differtence between
incinerating reading material you own and incinerating reading material
you
confiscate.>>
Oooh, zing! What's that called, "domainism"?
Well, I do understand the difference, Jim. I just think it's a silly thing
to do in any case. But if it'll make you feel better to torch them comics,
light up. If nothing else, it might relieve some tension.
Or how about sending them to me? I'd love to have a near-complete run of
Badger comics. I mean, if you're just going to destroy them anyway...
Sean
C.
On 17 Jan 1997 02:34:43 GMT, fch...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike
Chary) wrote:
>It's not your imagination. I have seen more actual physical threats on
>Usenet in the past year than in any other since I have been on. It's
>getting annoying.
Then I'd invite you to leave, or do something about it.
In all honesty, you can't complain. You're one of the worst offenders,
you and the people you tend to argue _with_. Always bitching and
coming up with new and interesting ways to belittle each other, as
well as anyone who happens to get in your way. You wonder why people
respond "I'll kick your ass" when you call them a what, "igorant peon"
or some such?
"Well I kept taunting the pit-bull next door, but I never thought it
would BITE me. That's annoying."
C.
C.
>In article <19970117015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, sea...@aol.com (Sean Med) wrote:
>>The idea of burning comics written by those you disagree with is terrific.
>>Seig Heil!
>
>Oh boy. Another AOL'er who doesn't understand the differtence between
>incinerating reading material you own and incinerating reading material you
>confiscate.
You really are a prick you know that? I have a hell of a lot more
respect for Sean's opinion than yours. You may have been around since
83 but who the fuck cares, you've been like _this_ for as long as I
can remember it.
This argument will turn into a semantics debate, where neither one of
uf listens to each other and a whole bunch of wanna-be's jump in to
defend either one of us. However, I'll simplify it. A reader suggested
that Mike Baron was a jerk, and he wanted to burn his comics. There.
That's it. Yes, this is different than confiscating and burning, but
no different than when DJ's in the south-western United states in 1968
or so started holding "Beatles record burnings" after the "we're
bigger than jesus" comment. Sure, it was everyone's private property,
but it still ammounted to several thousand people burning works of art
after suggestions from assholes. Less offensive than the Nazi Germany
idea of confiscating foreign or disagreeable works of art/literature,
but still at about the same level as the cold war propeganda of Russie
and the US during the Regan-era.
C.
derv...@aol.com
In article <W1t3ygen...@panix.com>, ca...@panix.com (Carl Fink)
writes:
>I really wanted to buy the comic, but this is irresistable:
>
> Mr. Baron, you've lost a sale because of Jess' post.
>
>(Luckily there's no way Jess can check whether I actually buy it.)
>--
>Carl Fink ca...@panix.com
>
>
Geeze this is a hell of a way to boost sales. How rich is Jess, anyhow?
M J Moran "just found out from Jim Scowling that since I use AOL I don't
know the difference from burning my own books and burning someone else's
books----Oh it was an insult to the poster not to everyone on AOL----my
mistake"
Sean Med
I've been thinking about Alan's "perspective" comment. How's this for
perspective? I decide to get crabby with someone who I think is wasting
bandwidth. He returns the hostility, so I publicly announce that I'm going
to burn my comics with his name on them. Perspective, yeah. And a good
bandwidth-saving measure besides.
Like I said, if Cowling wants to burn his own comics because the bad man
yelled at him, that's his business. But he announced it publicly, I
thought it was hilarious, and I made fun of it. Granted, it was a
tasteless joke, and I apologize to anyone I've offended.
And in all fairness, Baron was out of line to flame Cowling. He shouldn't
have taken it personally.
Sean
P.S. Even if Baron was rude to me--heck, even if *I didn't say anything
that could be considered hostile and he was rude to me*--I'd still buy
comics he creates as long as I find them entertaining. For example, John
Byrne is one of the rudest, most self-righteous windbags I've encountered
online, but I thought Batman/Captain America was a hoot. That's just me,
of course.
P.P.S. Kudos to Rodney Boles for changing his subject header from
"STINKIN' BADGER" to "STINKIN' BARON". That's the way to educate newbies
in proper Usenet etiquette--lead by example!
Dave Knott
Scowling Jim Cowling (scow...@islandnet.deletethis.com) wrote:
: (*) Since they have no real resale value, should I get reasonable evidence
: that the Mike Baron e-mail address is really Baron, I'll certainly trash
: and/or burn them.
What, and waste all that fine reading material?
Hell, if you really don't want them I'll take them off your hands ;-)
dave
--
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Vertigo Technology | BOOK: Infinity's Shore - David Brin
Vancouver, B.C., Canada | ALBUM: Dance Hall At Louse Point - Parish & Harvey
kn...@vertigo3d.com | COMIC: Barry Windsor-Smith: Storyteller #4
Rick Oliver
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput wrote:
>(stuff deleted)
>I can understand why
> some people get upset that other people don't seem to take the time to
> read about how things are done on Usenet and specifically on rac* before
> participating herein. After all, that's what the recent META Thread From
> Hell was about, in a way.
>
Wake up and smell the coffee. Usenet ain't just for cybergeeks anymore.
I work in the computer industry, have three separate email addresses,
run the latest versions of both Netscape and Internet Explorer -- and
guess what? I don't know the first darn thing about netiquette or "how
things are done" on Usenet, and I have no idea what a "META Thread" is.
And guess what else? There are a whole lot of people out there with
computers and modems who know a whole lot less than I do! And most of
them don't care.
And it you think things are bad now, wait until we all have
browser-based operating systems. (And for the decreasing number of
people without computers, there's always Web TV.)
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Alan D. Earhart (aear...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: In article <19970117015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
: sea...@aol.com (Sean Med) wrote:
: > The idea of burning comics written by those you disagree with is terrific.
: > Seig Heil!
: *Sheesh*
: There's a big difference between burning your own collection and trying to
: force others to burn their books.
Absolutely. I have a few issues of stuff I'd like to cook this weekend
just to keep the cold away. :)
Oh, and does this particular accusation signal the imminent end of the
thread, or does one actually have to include That Name too? :)
Mogen Dave
Bob Heer wrote:
<<There was the "Stinkin' Badger" post (which was entertaining enough,
though perhaps lacking information. He should probably have mentioned
that Shadowline is Jim Valentino's imprint of Image, so people interested
in ordering the book know where to look for it. Remember, look for Badger
in the Image section of your catalogs). And there was a =one-line= post
replying to the alt.fan.furry list of furry publishers (which one could
quibble with since Badger =isn't= a "furry" character as commonly defined
by a.f.f., but he is furry). Is that what you're complaining about? Bad
enough when you people turn minor transgressions into major flamewars, but
you've done it over a non-existant transgression. >>
When I pointed this out to Jim, he said I was "speaking from hearsay, as
opposed to paying attention to what actually happened." He also revealed
that he's trying to get Baron's account revoked because of Baron's
rudeness, then told me to "bugger off". Ain't he just the cutest? You go,
Jim!
Dave
Mogen Dave
Sean Med wrote:
<<The idea of burning comics written by those you disagree with is
terrific. Seig Heil!>>
Whoa, bad choice of words, Sean. Trust me, I know.
Dave
MikeGold
>if you want a piece of Jim, he's in Canada. I'm probably a much shorter
trip, and since he's a buddy >of mine, why don't you try me first?
I'm closer to Canada than I am to Indiana (and I'm only presuming you're
in Indiana), but, what the heck, let's meet at the Auburn auto museum and
we'll do a poetry slam, reciting other whimsical ditties from DOCTOR
DETROIT, OK?
MikeGold
>I respect everyone until they open their mouths.
You don't want to read Baron's stuff, hey, that's your right. My
"humorous" quote from Doctor Detroit aside (a wonderful tribute to
meaningless grandstanding), what I objected to was the tone of voice in a
public forum. But, what the heck, Usenet people can make the same choice
as comic book buyers: if I don't like your tone of voice, I can avoid
reading your messages.
"Stinkin' Baron," indeed. Mike's my friend, and you'll forgive me if I
take offense at that sort of language used with respect to my friend, just
as one or more of your friends object to my objecting to your objecting to
Baron.
As for the word "blackmail," well, sorry if I offended you. In reflection,
your comments regarding Baron could be interpreted as simply childish.
Just like your comment "I respect everyone until they open their mouths."
Vermilion
In article <faber.8...@ylum.lunabase.org> Ted Faber <fa...@lunabase.org> writes:
>Incidentally, Scowling Jim's only advocating burning the comics he owns,
>not some vast storehouse of comics. He's engaging in *free* *speech*, not
>censorship.
Free speech? Is that what that's called? Huh. How 'bout that. All this
time, I thought destroying things you paid good money for out of spite was,
well... just pretty damn stupid. I guess we all have the right to occasional
bouts of irrational behavior, though...
- Vermilion, who _does_ buy things just to burn 'em. Like, say, candles,
and more often than not, microwave popcorn.
Jess Nevins
derv...@aol.com wrote:
>
> In article <W1t3ygen...@panix.com>, ca...@panix.com (Carl Fink)
> writes:
>
> >I really wanted to buy the comic, but this is irresistable:
> >
> > Mr. Baron, you've lost a sale because of Jess' post.
> >
> >(Luckily there's no way Jess can check whether I actually buy it.)
> >--
> >Carl Fink ca...@panix.com
> >
> >
>
> Geeze this is a hell of a way to boost sales. How rich is Jess, anyhow?
Rich enough to...um....to buy DC, yeah, and buy Marvel and make them
one and stuff.....yeah....
jess
Alan D. Earhart
In article <5bojmh$7...@panix.com>, fire...@panix.com (Elayne
Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
> Alan D. Earhart (aear...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
> : In article <19970117015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> : sea...@aol.com (Sean Med) wrote:
>
> : > The idea of burning comics written by those you disagree with is terrific.
> : > Seig Heil!
>
> : *Sheesh*
>
> : There's a big difference between burning your own collection and trying to
> : force others to burn their books.
>
> Absolutely. I have a few issues of stuff I'd like to cook this weekend
> just to keep the cold away. :)
Considering what the bleedin' windchill is here in Columbus, I think I'd
rather go for the layered look...
>
> Oh, and does this particular accusation signal the imminent end of the
> thread, or does one actually have to include That Name too? :)
I'm not sure. Is the implication of "Nazi"ism enough? Or, do you
specifically have to mention Hitler? It was done in the text of the thread
so at least that part is satisfied.
--
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aear...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu
Unofficial Fantastic Four Page at-
<http://members.aol.com/earhartal/comics/ffweb.html>
Alan D. Earhart
In article <dunnetg.13...@email.uc.edu>, dun...@email.uc.edu
(Vermilion) wrote:
> In article <faber.8...@ylum.lunabase.org> Ted Faber
<fa...@lunabase.org> writes:
>
> >Incidentally, Scowling Jim's only advocating burning the comics he owns,
> >not some vast storehouse of comics. He's engaging in *free* *speech*, not
> >censorship.
>
> Free speech? Is that what that's called? Huh. How 'bout that.
All this
> time, I thought destroying things you paid good money for out of spite was,
> well... just pretty damn stupid. I guess we all have the right to
occasional
> bouts of irrational behavior, though...
Oops... I guess you'd be pretty pissed to hear that I burned all of your
stuff? I didn't realize that it was just *my* stuff that I was allowed to
burn... sorry 'bout that...
Tom Galloway
In article <32DFDE...@spss.com> Rick Oliver <ric...@spss.com> writes:
>Wake up and smell the coffee. Usenet ain't just for cybergeeks anymore.
No, you wake up and get a clue. Usenet's fundamental design was, for
lack of a better single word, for cybergeeks, and frankly it'll take
a fundamental redesign to deal with "consumer Usenet".
>guess what? I don't know the first darn thing about netiquette or "how
>things are done" on Usenet, and I have no idea what a "META Thread" is.
>And guess what else? There are a whole lot of people out there with
>computers and modems who know a whole lot less than I do! And most of
>them don't care.
Which is why "imminent death of Usenet, GIFs at 11", isn't a joke
anymore. Usenet was designed assuming a set of users who understood
how it worked and what not to do to keep from breaking it. When that
went away, Usenet started dying for real.
I've really got to finish up that long post on the design of Usenet
and how it works vis a vis consumer Usenet...
tyg t...@netcom.com
derv...@aol.com
In article <19970117091...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
derv...@aol.com writes:
>"just found out from Jim Scowling that since I use AOL I don't
>know the difference from burning my own books and burning someone else's
>books----Oh it was an insult to the poster not to everyone on AOL----my
>mistake"
Jim sent me an e-mail to assure me that the insult was meant for both the
poster and all AOL users.
M J Moran "ahhhhh tact and diplomacy thy name is usenet"
Ted Faber
sea...@aol.com (Sean Med) writes:
>The idea of burning comics written by those you disagree with is terrific.
>Seig Heil!
Well, it's official - there are the Nazis - this thread has become stupid.
Incidentally, Scowling Jim's only advocating burning the comics he owns,
not some vast storehouse of comics. He's engaging in *free* *speech*, not
censorship.
But thank you for playing.
"And our heroes were quickly subdued.
"I was pretty subdued when we started." --- Bullwinkle
--
Ted Faber Figment at Large fa...@lunabase.org
"Imagine the most abhorrent person. Let's call him Ted." -- Peter Himmelman
Ted Faber
mike...@aol.com (MikeGold) writes:
>I'm closer to Canada than I am to Indiana (and I'm only presuming you're
>in Indiana), but, what the heck, let's meet at the Auburn auto museum and
>we'll do a poetry slam, reciting other whimsical ditties from DOCTOR
>DETROIT, OK?
Can you get Devo to do the theme song, too?
I'd come out from CA to watch that. :-)
"The man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who
can't read them." -- Mark Twain
Hosun S. Lee
Vermilion (dun...@email.uc.edu) wrote:
: In article <faber.8...@ylum.lunabase.org> Ted Faber <fa...@lunabase.org> writes:
: >Incidentally, Scowling Jim's only advocating burning the comics he owns,
: >not some vast storehouse of comics. He's engaging in *free* *speech*, not
: >censorship.
: Free speech? Is that what that's called? Huh. How 'bout that. All this
: time, I thought destroying things you paid good money for out of spite was,
: well... just pretty damn stupid. I guess we all have the right to occasional
: bouts of irrational behavior, though...
Why? If it's his, he can do with it what he wants. I've ripped
up/destroyed whatever things I own for a variety of reasons. He doesn't
need it anymore, or he'll get more value out of seeing it destroyed.
--
\\ \\ Hosun Lee
\\_\\ E-Mail: ho...@syr.edu
( X-X) WWW: http://web.syr.edu/~holee/
{_^_} [Urr...Right. Umm...Some Quip Goes Here, Right?]
Yeechang Lee
Mike Chary <fch...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> >And these would be the same marketers, I presume, who've led Marvel
> >into such a position of industry strength?
>
> Are you claiming that Marvel *isn't* in a position of industry strength?
Not from this viewpoint, they're not. They might right now have the
biggest market share (barely), but they've certainly seen the biggest
sales plummets, no? More importantly, DC and Image's market shares
are holding steady or going up, while Marvel is heading down.
Perhaps more important, they long ago lost the creative leadership
mantle to DC. In the past decade one side has produced _Dark Knight_,
_Watchmen_ _Sandman_, _Starman_, Vertigo, Helix, etc., etc., while the
other has put out _Marvels_ (good) and eight new X-titles (no
comment). Indeed, Marvel's biggest creative "contribution" the past
decade is arguably Todd McFarlane and his "art."
--
http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/
Yeechang Lee
Mike Chary <fch...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> >And these would be the same marketers, I presume, who've led Marvel
> >into such a position of industry strength?
>
> Are you claiming that Marvel *isn't* in a position of industry strength?
Not from this viewpoint, they're not. They might right now have the
biggest market share (barely), but they've certainly seen the biggest
sales plummets, no? More importantly, DC and Image's market shares
are holding steady or going up, while Marvel is heading down. Sure
Marvel sales are important to the marketplace, but in the recent
"Marvel bankrupt" threads there were an awful lot of people who swore
their dealers could survive or even thrive if Marvel vanished.
Perhaps more important, can anyone dispute they long ago lost the
Sean Med
Jim Cowling wrote:
<<So I've learned a lesson -- it's pointless to take side discussion in
threads like this to e-mail; it's better to drag things out in public.
I'll remember that. Thanks, all.>>
You did the very same thing with Baron, remember? You haven't learned the
lesson, you've provided the example.
Sean
Mike Chary
Yeechang Lee <yl...@columbia.edu> wrote:
>Mike Chary <fch...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>> >And these would be the same marketers, I presume, who've led Marvel
>> >into such a position of industry strength?
>>
>> Are you claiming that Marvel *isn't* in a position of industry strength?
>
>Not from this viewpoint, they're not. They might right now have the
>biggest market share (barely), but they've certainly seen the biggest
>sales plummets, no? More importantly, DC and Image's market shares
And they still sell more than other people.
>are holding steady or going up, while Marvel is heading down. Sure
>Marvel sales are important to the marketplace, but in the recent
>"Marvel bankrupt" threads there were an awful lot of people who swore
>their dealers could survive or even thrive if Marvel vanished.
So, they;d still survive without DC or Image or Dark Horse, too.
>
>Perhaps more important, can anyone dispute they long ago lost the
>creative leadership mantle to DC. In the past decade one side has
>produced _Dark Knight_, _Watchmen_ _Sandman_, _Starman_, Vertigo,
>Helix, etc., etc., while the other has put out _Marvels_ (good) and
>eight new X-titles (no comment).
Ahem. In the past decade Marvel has produced Epic, Marvels, PAD's
Hulk, UTOS, and some othe quality comics. Vetrigo and Helix have largely
sucked. I am not saying that DC hasn't got a better track record, but
don't be provincial about it.
> Indeed, Marvel's biggest creative
>"contribution" the past decade is arguably Todd McFarlane and his
>"art."
Todd McFarlane and Rob Liefeld both worked at DC before Marvel.
--
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oz melted unsweetened chocolate and 1 teaspoon vanilla. Mix in on high speed 3
eggs one at a time. Pour into pastry crust. Chill 7 hours or until set.
Sean Med
I wrote:
<<You did the very same thing with Baron, remember? You haven't learned
the lesson, you've provided the example.>>
Actually, I take that back. Baron provided the example, *then* Cowling
followed suit, *then* Cowling complained about it when other people did
it. My mistake.
Sean
Ted Faber
aear...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Alan D. Earhart) writes:
>Perspective. Get some.
Can I get some with a really high parallax? :-)
(Before you yell, I'm not the Nazi guy, I just can't resist a straight
line...)
"One final comment: Batman the Movie showed us a world where only
psychos have the power to make a difference. Disturbing, huh?" --Ray Chen
Vermilion
In article ho...@newstand.syr.edu (Hosun S. Lee) writes:
>Vermilion (dun...@email.uc.edu) wrote:
>: In article <faber.8...@ylum.lunabase.org> Ted Faber <fa...@lunabase.org> writes:
>: >Incidentally, Scowling Jim's only advocating burning the comics he owns,
>: >not some vast storehouse of comics. He's engaging in *free* *speech*, not
>: >censorship.
>: Free speech? Is that what that's called? Huh. How 'bout that. All this
>: time, I thought destroying things you paid good money for out of spite was,
>: well... just pretty damn stupid. I guess we all have the right to occasional
>: bouts of irrational behavior, though...
>Why? If it's his, he can do with it what he wants. I've ripped
>up/destroyed whatever things I own for a variety of reasons. He doesn't
>need it anymore, or he'll get more value out of seeing it destroyed.
You're justifying a temper tantrum, right? "I don't like what you did, so
I'm gonna break all my toys! Take that! Nyyyaaaaaaaah!!"
_Most_ grown adults don't grow incendiary when they hear things they don't
like. It's a rather myopic view, in the long run. Who knows, maybe Baron'll
be lynched by a mob of irate villagers over his lack of Netiquette awareness,
and the resulting clamor will drive the collective Badger backissue price
through the roof! Scowling Jim will lose all that investment potential,
supposing he takes the path of Fire Marshal Jim he advocated earlier.
- Vermilion, who tends not to rip up things he owns - life's too short to
run around with torches lit all the time... I grow ever more
convinced that Usenet is almost entirely populated by Type A
personalities that forgot to pick up their hypertension medication.
David Francis Smith
yl...@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) wrote:
>Perhaps more important, can anyone dispute they long ago lost the
>creative leadership mantle to DC. In the past decade one side has
>produced _Dark Knight_, _Watchmen_ _Sandman_, _Starman_, Vertigo,
Actually, Watchmen is about three months short of being in the last
decade :). That's hair-splitting, but remember the bad with the good.
DC arguably deserves blame for kicking off the speculation horror
with the Death of Superman, after all.
>Helix, etc., etc., while the other has put out _Marvels_ (good) and
>eight new X-titles (no comment). Indeed, Marvel's biggest creative
>"contribution" the past decade is arguably Todd McFarlane and his
>"art."
When mentioning Marvels, you ought not forget Ruins, which is my
favorite Marvel product of the last couple years. Lessee...including
the decade, there's a few more things. They were cool enough to
translate and reprint Akira via Epic, though it of course doesn't
count as a Marvel creation. Barry Windsor-Smith's Weapon X series in
MCP.
But your point is essentially correct: Marvel has lost most of
its creative edge in recent years. *Sigh*. The death of a
fanboy's innocence is a sad thing to witness...
David F. Smith
Ted Faber
Rick Oliver <ric...@spss.com> writes:
.
>Wake up and smell the coffee. Usenet ain't just for cybergeeks anymore.
>run the latest versions of both Netscape and Internet Explorer -- and
>things are done" on Usenet, and I have no idea what a "META Thread" is.
Did I mention news.announce.newusers ?
I'd recommend a trip over there. Other than that, have fun...
michael bradley lile
Rick Oliver <ric...@spss.com> writes:
>guess what? I don't know the first darn thing about netiquette or "how
>things are done" on Usenet, and I have no idea what a "META Thread" is.
>And guess what else? There are a whole lot of people out there with
>computers and modems who know a whole lot less than I do! And most of
>them don't care.
The existence of other jackasses does not in any way justify willfully
choosing to become one yourself.
If you don't know, learn. If you don't want to learn, go away.
Brad
--
M. Bradley Lile
Indiana University '98
Department of Religious Studies
http://ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu/~mlile/home.html
Michael R. Grabois
On 18 Jan 97 00:08:10 GMT, Ted Faber <fa...@lunabase.org> wrote:
>aear...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Alan D. Earhart) writes:
>>Perspective. Get some.
>
>Can I get some with a really high parallax? :-)
You want to get some with Hal Jordan smoking some killer weed?
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Houston, TX | or...@ix.netcom.com CI$: 74737,2600
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(shamelessly stolen from Merritt Stone <howi...@pixi.com>)
Steve Lieber
Mike Chary wrote:
>
> Ahem. In the past decade Marvel has produced Epic, Marvels, PAD's
> Hulk, UTOS, and some othe quality comics.
Let's watch the verb choice here. I think that it's okay to say that a
company "produced" something when talking from the distanced financial
perspective, but when the discussion deals with the creative side of
things, "published" is a much better word.
Marvel *published,* Busiek and Ross's "Marvels." To say that the company
produced it makes it sound like the work came out of the bullpen or
something.
I suppose one could argue that we can use "produce" in the same sense
that the movies do, but I think that Hollywood's jargon reveals a
money-first attitude that I, for one, would be a lot happier if we could
avoid.
Lieber, unaccountably picky tonight
Mogen Dave
Ted Faber wrote:
<<Incidentally, Scowling Jim's only advocating burning the comics he owns,
not some vast storehouse of comics. He's engaging in *free* *speech*, not
censorship.>>
Yeah, we've been over that, Ted. Sean even apologized for the
tastelessness of his joke. I like C's analogy better anyway: it's like the
southern DJs talking about burning Beatles records after Lennon's "We're
bigger than Jesus" remark.
<<But thank you for playing.>>
And thank you for keeping up.
Dave
Alan D. Earhart
In article <32e03506...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, or...@ix.netcom.com
(Michael R. Grabois) wrote:
> On 18 Jan 97 00:08:10 GMT, Ted Faber <fa...@lunabase.org> wrote:
>
> >aear...@chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Alan D. Earhart) writes:
> >>Perspective. Get some.
> >
> >Can I get some with a really high parallax? :-)
>
> You want to get some with Hal Jordan smoking some killer weed?
<insert rimshot>
Ah, one reason why I still love to read Usenet... people's ability to
inject a little humor into any thread!
Heh...