Jenny Sparks #4, small Spoiler point
Aaron Michael Newton
At the very end, Shen tells Jenny to "come back to bed."
Maybe I missed something, but I've never heard of any relationship between
Shen and Jenny... serious, casual, or other wise. Am I just blind and
missed something along the way? I admit there are a few issues of Storm
Watch I have yet to read... but given the way Midnighter and Apollo have
been very open in the comic in the last few months I find it kind of strange
to have this just kind of thrown in at the end in a throw away scene.
-Aaron
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Joseph Phelan
"Aaron Michael Newton" <amne...@louisville.edu> wrote in message
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> At the very end, Shen tells Jenny to "come back to bed."
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> Maybe I missed something, but I've never heard of any relationship between
> Shen and Jenny... serious, casual, or other wise. Am I just blind and
> missed something along the way? I admit there are a few issues of Storm
> Watch I have yet to read... but given the way Midnighter and Apollo have
> been very open in the comic in the last few months I find it kind of
strange
> to have this just kind of thrown in at the end in a throw away scene.
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> -Aaron
read Storm Watch I'm not wel up on the hhistory of the two characters.
I did like the line about Jenny's "adventurer boyfriend, Dr Jones" though.
Roberto Kubilius Almanzan
: "Aaron Michael Newton" <amne...@louisville.edu> wrote in message
I have read a fair amount of Stormwatch and there is nothing
in it to indicate anything like that. But I'd say it's the least
ridiculous item introduced in the series so far. Jenny inspired
Hitler? She was taught by Einstein? Whatever. I've been kind of
iffy on this series so far but millar has now taken this whole
Spirit of the 20th century thing and turned it into a ridiculous joke.
Looks like it's time to add a couple more titles to the drop list.
Roberto
: I did like the line about Jenny's "adventurer boyfriend, Dr Jones" though.
Graeme
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> At the very end, Shen tells Jenny to "come back to bed."
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> Maybe I missed something, but I've never heard of any relationship between
> Shen and Jenny... serious, casual, or other wise. Am I just blind and
> missed something along the way? I admit there are a few issues of Storm
> Watch I have yet to read... but given the way Midnighter and Apollo have
> been very open in the comic in the last few months I find it kind of
strange
> to have this just kind of thrown in at the end in a throw away scene.
Welcome to Mark Millar's "Authority" - it's a shag-or-be-shagged world these
days.
Graeme
davie...@my-deja.com
Aaron Michael Newton <amne...@louisville.edu> wrote:
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> At the very end, Shen tells Jenny to "come back to bed."
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> Maybe I missed something, but I've never heard of any relationship
between
> Shen and Jenny... serious, casual, or other wise. Am I just blind and
> missed something along the way?
Well, we know, from what Jenny's indicated, that she's shagged most of
the important people of the twentieth century ... and the Authority
certainly qualify as important people, yes?
But yeah, I'm pretty sure that this is something new. There were a few
jokes on Usenet when people were first speculating about Apollo and the
Midnighter that Jenny, Shen and Jack were having a threeway
relationship, but I don't think anyone was serious about that.
Chris Davies.
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Before you buy.
Todd Kogutt: Scavenger
<alma...@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
> Spirit of the 20th century thing and turned it into a ridiculous joke.
> Looks like it's time to add a couple more titles to the drop list.
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I actually took the line Chen says about Jenny being the spirit of the
20th Cent as being a decent excuse for the ridiculous amount of who
Jenny knows.
But this issue sucked more than the previous ones....
1) I don't care who show grows up to be, a 13 year old british girl in
a girls school in 1913 would not speak like that. She'd get the crap
beaten out of her by her teachers.
2) Here's the big one. Chen didn't freaking hatch from an egg in her
current form. She's a regular person who was a comet exposure ( I
don't know what that is, I think it's kinda FF cosmic rays like thing).
She got partialy activated and grew wings on her arms, later, when
Ellis took over StormWatch, she was fully activated and became the
modern chen with claws and sperate wings.
Wildstorm is pretty simple with origins. Aliens and Hybrids like
WildCats. Gen Actives like Gen 13 and Team 7. Comet Exposures. And
then a couple of strange things, like Jenny.
3) For those who ask, the closest thing in StormWatch with Jenny and
Chen being a couple is that they and Jack would go hang out in bars and
get drunk.
Each issue has gotten worse and worse...how much will #5 suck?
--SCAVENGER
Lacklustre
> in it to indicate anything like that. But I'd say it's the least
> ridiculous item introduced in the series so far. Jenny inspired
> Hitler? She was taught by Einstein? Whatever. I've been kind of
> iffy on this series so far but millar has now taken this whole
> Looks like it's time to add a couple more titles to the drop list.
I'm with you! I reckon Millar is the poor man's Warren Ellis. You get all
the shock value without the thought and, consequently, impact. Two thumbs
down and a kick in the groin.
Henry Spencer
Todd Kogutt: Scavenger <to...@toddkogutt.com> wrote:
>1) I don't care who show grows up to be, a 13 year old british girl in
>a girls school in 1913 would not speak like that. She'd get the crap
>beaten out of her by her teachers.
She wouldn't speak like that *in front of her teachers*. It's far from
unknown even today for kids' speech and manners to be a function of who's
listening. Rather more startling, by the way, is a 13-year-old girl in
1913 who smokes in public without anyone taking note.
>2) Here's the big one. Chen didn't freaking hatch from an egg in her
>current form. She's a regular person who was a comet exposure...
>She got partialy activated and grew wings on her arms, later, when
>Ellis took over StormWatch, she was fully activated and became the
>modern chen with claws and sperate wings.
Embryos often don't look a lot like what finally hatches out. Just
because she's never been mentioned as having a strange past doesn't mean
she didn't have one...
>Each issue has gotten worse and worse...how much will #5 suck?
Despite my comments above, I'm afraid I agree that this series has been
rather a disappointment.
(One complaint among many: Jenny is *not* supposed to have the standard
impressively-stacked female-superhero build. In particular, her bust is
supposed to be small; she herself has mentioned this explicitly.)
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It should be shut down. -- Phil Agre | (aka he...@zoo.toronto.edu)
Henry Spencer
Aaron Michael Newton <amne...@louisville.edu> wrote:
>At the very end, Shen tells Jenny to "come back to bed."
>Maybe I missed something, but I've never heard of any relationship between
>Shen and Jenny... serious, casual, or other wise. Am I just blind and
>missed something along the way?
This is a new one... although they've certainly been shown repeatedly as
close friends. Not to mention that they are both people who will sleep
with anything that holds still. :-) I'd say it's new but not really very
surprising.
(Now, as to whether it's gratuitous and unnecessary... that's a separate
question.)
Robert Carnegie
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> I have read a fair amount of Stormwatch and there is nothing
> in it to indicate anything like that. But I'd say it's the least
> ridiculous item introduced in the series so far. Jenny inspired
> Hitler? She was taught by Einstein? Whatever. I've been kind of
> iffy on this series so far but millar has now taken this whole
> Spirit of the 20th century thing and turned it into a ridiculous joke.
> Looks like it's time to add a couple more titles to the drop list.
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Another thought:
Where was Adolf Hitler on 1st January 1913, in fact? What was he
doing? How old was he, and had he already served in the army?
(Which army?) And what name was he going by? For that matter,
where was he on 1st January 1943, and what was the weather?
Did he ever wear a bowler hat, or wasn't that Charlie Chaplin?
And was that old philanderer Einstein in Zurich? Not so old then, I
suppose.
Perish the thought that Mark Millar didn't do any research.
Robert Carnegie at home, rja.ca...@mailexcite.com at large
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"In a final bid to raise money for the town's hospital, The Messiah
will come to Brecon Cathedral next Saturday." (Brecon & Radnor Express)
Prestorjon
doing? >>
Probably trying to eke out a living in Vienna.
>How old was he,
About twenty four.
>and had he already served in the army?
>(Which army?)
Nope. Hitler joined the German army over a year later in the fall of 1914.
Hitler only ever did two things well in his life: run political organizations
and serve in the military. Unfortunately he beat the odds and lived out all
four years of the war.
>And what name was he going by?
To my knowledge Hitler never used any name but his own.
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He had been our Destroyer, the doer of things
We dreamed of doing but could not bring ourselves to do,
The fears of years, like a biting whip,
Had cut deep bloody grooves
Across our backs.
-Etheridge Knight
Don Woods
> <<Where was Adolf Hitler on 1st January 1913, in fact? What was he
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> Probably trying to eke out a living in Vienna.
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> About twenty four.
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> Nope. Hitler joined the German army over a year later in the fall of 1914.
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> To my knowledge Hitler never used any name but his own.
All of the above matches the information available by a cursory look
at my Encyclopedia Britannica. (And some of it surprised me. Like
many people, I thought Hitler had originally been named Schicklgruber.
turns out his *father* used that name for a while because he (the
father) was illegitimate, but by the time Adolf was born his father
had established his claim to the Hitler family name.) And indeed,
EB says in 1913 he was a boardinghouse bum in Vienna, trying without
much success to earn money by selling painted postcards and adverts.
The army reference, however, was indeed chronologically incorrect.
(Of course, many other things in the Wildstorm universe differ from
our own, so I'm not sure why we assume Hitler's history has to match
on all counts.)
Oh, and to answer another part of an earlier post, Einstein was indeed
in Zurich in 1913.
I'm not sure how I feel about the Jenny Sparks mini tossing in all
this stuff -- though Millar tries to justify it with Shen's remark
about how the "spirit of the century" has to touch all the great
people of the times, it still feels more than a little forced --
but those who complain about Millar not doing any research might do
well to do some research of their own before griping.
-- Don.
Robert Carnegie
<d...@iCynic.com> writes
>Like
>many people, I thought Hitler had originally been named Schicklgruber.
>turns out his *father* used that name for a while because he (the
>father) was illegitimate, but by the time Adolf was born his father
>had established his claim to the Hitler family name. And indeed,
>EB says in 1913 he was a boardinghouse bum in Vienna, trying without
>much success to earn money by selling painted postcards and adverts.
>The army reference, however, was indeed chronologically incorrect.
>(Of course, many other things in the Wildstorm universe differ from
>our own, so I'm not sure why we assume Hitler's history has to match
>on all counts.)
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>Oh, and to answer another part of an earlier post, Einstein was indeed
>in Zurich in 1913.
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>I'm not sure how I feel about the Jenny Sparks mini tossing in all
>this stuff -- though Millar tries to justify it with Shen's remark
>about how the "spirit of the century" has to touch all the great
>people of the times, it still feels more than a little forced --
>but those who complain about Millar not doing any research might do
>well to do some research of their own before griping.
Hey, I only _suggested_ that maybe he skipped the research. And
I asked for information. Do I come across like a guy who knows
himself where to find stuff out about Hitler? Anyway, you thought
he was called Schicklgruber, the same as I did.
I also had got the impression that he was under twenty when the
Great War ended, but I was wrong.
But I still want photographic evidence of that hat :-)
I recall when it was alleged that Atari ST computers were built by
twelve-year-old girls in Taiwanese slave factories, this Atari-
owning correspondent (and does _that_ date me) looked up
Taiwan in the library's _Encyclopaedia Britannica_, and read that
the pious Taiwanese venerate and protect their children. So,
nothing to worry about, then!
Prestorjon
many people, I thought Hitler had originally been named Schicklgruber.
turns out his *father* used that name for a while because he (the
father) was illegitimate, but by the time Adolf was born his father
Yep. Adolf Hitlers father Alois was the illigitemate son of a man named
Heidler. For much of his life Alois used his mothers name Schikelgruber.
Eventually when Alois was an adult his father showed up and acknowledged
himself as Alois father and Alois took to using his fathers name which was now
being spelled as Hitler. An interesting scenario is posed by William Shirer in
Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. he wonders what would have happened if Alois
father had not acknowledged him and wether a man with as ridiculous a name as
Adolf Schickelgruber could ever have risen to the level of German Chancellor.
>And indeed,
>EB says in 1913 he was a boardinghouse bum in Vienna, trying without
>much success to earn money by selling painted postcards and adverts.
Despite the charges of his critics Hitler was never a paper hanger and
apparently he made most of his money in this time as a street artist selling
little landscape paintings and such to passerby. IIRC Hitler tried to get into
art school but wasn't good enough to pass the entrance exams.
>The army reference, however, was indeed chronologically incorrect.
Hitler only enlisted in the Army (the German army it should be noted not the
Austro-Hungarian army) in 1914 when the war broke out. By all accounts he was
an excellent soldier and received the Iron Cross second class in 1914 and the
Iron Cross first class in 1918. In one of those supreme bits of irony the
officer who recommended Hitler for at least one of these medals was Jewish (I
think he managed to escape Germany before things got too bad).
Prestorjon
Great War ended, but I was wrong.>>
No. IIRC he was born in 1889 so he would have been 29 when the armistice was
signed. (the only reason I happen to remember this is that his conception is
shown in From Hell which takes place in fall of 1888)
Robert M. Bienvenu
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I can suspend disbelief with the best of them...
But, the cute and cuddly Hitler bit just didn't fly.
"Happy birthday you funny little English girl."