[HYPE] Rob Liefeld's Roberservations and Kurt Busiek's Victory on SpinnerRack.com
Allen Hui
We just published the fifth column (sixth counting his early guest
column) by Rob Liefeld. We also published a feature article about Kurt
Busiek's Victory. As always, we have the usual stuff to read like
message boards, reviews, columns, a new poll, etc... Check us out if
and when you get the chance.
-Allen
Here are our promo spots for them in case you want to click right to the
articles. I might just start posting these instead, or in addition to,
of my usual posts:
Robservations
V: Rank Professionalism
Imagine a world where films are deemed blockbusters simply by how many
screens they appear on, not how many tickets are sold. Or a novel that
makes it to the top of the bestseller list three months before it hits
shelves. Sound crazy? Maybe, but it should also sound familiar: The
comic book industry employs similar tactics to rank its "best selling"
comics. In this installment of Robservations, Rob Liefeld explains why
the current ranking system is in dire need of change.
http://www.spinnerrack.com/columns/robservations/rl010806.php
Between the Panels
I: Victory by Kurt Busiek (Part One)
Ever wonder about projects that somehow didn't quite turn out as
planned? Series that were announced but never made it to the stands or
did, but then failed to live up to expectations or were canceled before
they could reach their planned ending? Why didn't they make it? Was
there material we didn't get to see? Was there an ending? Well, that's
what we hope to find out in our newest feature, and to kick things off,
we're going to take a look at Kurt Busiek's crossover that could've
been, Topps Comics' Victory.
Allen Hui
Liefeld-haters may chalk that up so some weird Freudian slip, but it's not.
Just in a hurry, I guess. Sorry.
-Allen
Proxyrchlln
>V: Rank Professionalism
>Imagine a world where films are deemed blockbusters simply by how many
>screens they appear on, not how many tickets are sold. Or a novel that
>makes it to the top of the bestseller list three months before it hits
>shelves. Sound crazy? Maybe, but it should also sound familiar: The
>comic book industry employs similar tactics to rank its "best selling"
>comics. In this installment of Robservations, Rob Liefeld explains why
>the current ranking system is in dire need of change.
>
I think Rob is pretty much dead on with respect to the idea that the comic
industry should adopt a "point of sale"-type tracking system (he is also
correct in stating that SoundScan, used in the music industry is the best
example of this; the introduction of SoundScan in 1991 is also an excellent
example of how a generally reliable and objectively verifiable sales-tracking
system can change an industry: up until SoundScan, the industry wasn't fully
aware of just how friggin' popular hiphop and country actually were).
Couple of things: (1) TV ratings don't quite work the way Rob seems to think;
Neilsen ratings are based on a sampling system, as opposed to actually
measuring how many eyeballs are watching a screen. There are many, many
complaints about how the Neilsen ratings work, and questions about whether they
provide any sort of accurate picture of the numbers of people actually watching
a given show. (2) Book sales are only *now* switching to a SoundScan-type
system (called, I believe, BookScan, and being operated by the same company
that operates SoundScan); up until now, the only charts which gave
point-of-sale info were those found in USA Today (and also Amazon's charts).
The New York Times bestseller lists (which are the most influential) are run
the way the Billboard music charts used to be run: full of corruption and prone
to distortion based on the personal preferences of those who supply the info.
Basically, the Times calls up bookstores, and the bookstore reps are trained
(and/or paid) to respond with certain answers: "highbrow" always charts high on
the Times bestseller lists, but very few people actually buy them, for
instance. The fact that BookScan is being introduced is resulting in more than
a few heart palpitations in the book industry.
I don't think that the retail comic shop is the ideal candidate for a practical
reason though: SoundScan-type sales trackers are *expensive* (I think it costs
north of $50,000 to install a SoundScan device, but whatever, it costs, I'm
sure most comic shops aren't in a position to afford it).
Prox
Steven Dumont
Allen Hui wrote:
>
> Robservations
> V: Rank Professionalism
> Imagine a world where films are deemed blockbusters simply by how many
> screens they appear on, not how many tickets are sold. Or a novel that
> makes it to the top of the bestseller list three months before it hits
> shelves. Sound crazy? Maybe, but it should also sound familiar: The
> comic book industry employs similar tactics to rank its "best selling"
> comics. In this installment of Robservations, Rob Liefeld explains why
> the current ranking system is in dire need of change.
I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
book.
Steve
Allen Hui
between really. Some people like to watch a train wreck. Some people like
to hear industry folks speak about anything. Others just blindly love Rob
and create websites and fanclubs devoted to. Others hate Rob with a
passion, enough to create their own site to point out everything they've
felt Rob has erred on. Still, he seems quite enthusastic about speaking his
mind. I certainly don't know as much about him as those who pan or praise
the guy.
-Allen
http://www.SpinnerRack.com
Scott Bailey
> opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
> book.
I look forward to each of his columns. I'm no fan of his comics, but he is
surprisingly articulate as a comics pundit.
--
Scott Bailey
scott...@hotmail.com
Let go of my ears. I know what I'm doing.
Carl Henderson
> I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
> opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
> book.
So far much of what he's said in his columns has made sense to me. I'm
willing to give him the benifit of the doubt. Liefeld's past business
problems and limited artistic range don't mean that he has nothing valid to
say about the industry.
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James
"Scott Bailey" <scott...@hotmail.spamblock.com> wrote in message
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> > I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
> > opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
> > book.
>
> I look forward to each of his columns. I'm no fan of his comics, but he is
> surprisingly articulate as a comics pundit.
I'd have to agree. I'm a kindasorta Liefeld fan, but I've never felt he was
able to string two or three coherent thoughts together in a written format,
be that comics or otherwise. Reading his "Robservations" column, though, I
actually found myself thinking: "Jeez, is this LIEFELD writing this? It's
so... so... thoughtful!"
His latest column has an excellent point, one worth discussing. Liefeld may
not be able to draw feet, but he knows what he's talking about when he
sounds off on the business side of comicdom.
Now, if we could only stop these [HYPE] releases from cross-posting into
groups where they really don't belong, and restricted to
rec.arts.comics.misc, we'd REALLY be cooking with Crisco.
Michael Pastor
"Carl Henderson" <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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> Steven Dumont <stev...@mnsi.net> wrote in
news:3B6F2DDF...@mnsi.net:
>
> > I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
> > opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
> > book.
>
> So far much of what he's said in his columns has made sense to me. I'm
> willing to give him the benifit of the doubt. Liefeld's past business
> problems and limited artistic range don't mean that he has nothing valid
to
> say about the industry.
>
I just read all five of the articles in a row. He still thinks that writers
don't pull their weight in comics, regardless of what recent history has
shown. Good writer/artist combos-in-one are a rare breed (and should remain
so). Phil Jimenez is giving his best shot at it right now in WW, but I
think he has been meditating on her his whole life. I don't think his
Tempest mini was up to par for writing (he tried to hard).
He also just seems to be a name dropper in his columns.
michael pastor
Steven Dumont
Carl Henderson wrote:
>
> Steven Dumont <stev...@mnsi.net> wrote in news:3B6F2DDF...@mnsi.net:
>
> > I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
> > opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
> > book.
>
> So far much of what he's said in his columns has made sense to me. I'm
> willing to give him the benifit of the doubt. Liefeld's past business
> problems and limited artistic range don't mean that he has nothing valid to
> say about the industry.
Quite possible and I'm not saying that he's a total jackass (ok I might
have actually said that) but I wonder how much of what he's saying (I
haven't read his columns) make sense to other people in the industry.
Other interviews I've read with Rob seem to be intelligent and coherent
until they're looked at under a very weak microscope. I have the
feeling that he's one of those guys who sounds like he knows what he's
talking when he's talking to people who don't know better. Of course, I
could be wrong.
Steve
John Thorenson
Get a new hobby, jerk.
__
"Support payments? What, you can't take care of yourself? Are you too
worthless to make it on your own? You need a man for money? I thought women
and men were equal.....
What a joke. Get a job."
John Kitchar, shortly before his 1st spanking
John Thorenson
>feeling that he's one of those guys who sounds like he knows what he's
>talking when he's talking to people who don't know better. Of course, I
>could be wrong.
Yes you're wrong. Don't cry.
John Thorenson
> opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
> book.
While it's fun to mindlessly regress to the Image=Bad mentality when up against
a wall it doesn't exactly paint you as an intellectual. Sorry.
Christopher Griffen
> I hear that a lot. I hear a lot of praise for the guy too. Not much in
> between really. Some people like to watch a train wreck. Some people like
> to hear industry folks speak about anything. Others just blindly love Rob
> and create websites and fanclubs devoted to. Others hate Rob with a
> passion, enough to create their own site to point out everything they've
> felt Rob has erred on.
Let's be honest here. If Rob Liefeld were anybody to speak of, why is
it that he's alienated himself from just about the entire comics
industry and become so marginalized that he can't even earn a living
in it anymore? He even alienated himself from his fellow Image
founders for Pete's sake!
And he's always got an excuse, doesn't he? He's like the criminal who
blames his predicament on a bad upbringing. Someone else is always at
fault. Never Rob. He has no accountability whatsoever.
Maximum Press was a joke and Awesome Comics (Press? Whatever.) is even
more so.
Liefeld's a low-talent blight on the industry. His work is the kind of
stuff that makes people think comics are embarrassing to be associated
with. I will give him one thing, though. He's good at making a lot out
of very little. He's managed to keep a career of artistic
sub-mediocrity going far longer than any of his proteges.
I was really intrigued by Spinnerrack.com until I saw that Liefeld was
associated with it. I'll still visit from time to time to read Eric
Stephenson's terrific columns, but the fact that you've seen fit to
give Liefeld a forum for his idiocy has really lowered my estimation
of your site.
Alan David Doane
wrote:
>Oops, that should say "Robservations" in the subject header. Some
>Liefeld-haters may chalk that up so some weird Freudian slip, but it's not.
>Just in a hurry, I guess. Sorry.
Right--"Roberservations" is actually written by David Clowes, is it
not?
;-)
Alan David Doane
Editor-in-Chief
Comic Book Galaxy
One of Usenet's Most Beloved Comics Web Sites
http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com
Alan David Doane
wrote:
>I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
>opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
>book.
>
>Steve
What has he done to earn the "almost?"
Allen Hui
I'm glad we at least were able to be intriguing early on. Well, I've said it before and I'll say
it again, I'd love to have opinions contrary to Rob Liefeld's in a regular or guest column for
Spinner Rack. Any recognizable name from the industry would be cool. I'm really sorry for your
depreciation of opinion for SpinnerRack.com because we never meant to be detrimental to ourselves
or to the industry. Unfortunately, interpretations and opinions will always be across a large
spectrum and we should be confident enough in our work to bare the brunt of it. As always, I'm
quite appreciative of feedback, good or bad, because that means people are paying attention to
comics and not swallowing everything before thinking about it.
-Allen
Allen Hui
>;^)-
-Allen
Allen Hui
cross-posted but when our update schedule picked up, I got lazy. I never meant
for all this to happen. I was really supposed to be an announcement. I'll tag
it [UPDATE] next time.
Steven Dumont
Alan David Doane wrote:
>
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:53:03 -0700, Steven Dumont <stev...@mnsi.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
> >opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
> >book.
> >
> >Steve
>
> What has he done to earn the "almost?"
That's my safety net just in case I'd forgotten something. It's like
saying 99.9999%
Steve
Laura M. Parkinson
>I'm glad we at least were able to be intriguing early on. Well, I've said it before and I'll say
>it again, I'd love to have opinions contrary to Rob Liefeld's in a regular or guest column for
>Spinner Rack. Any recognizable name from the industry would be cool. I'm really sorry for your
>depreciation of opinion for SpinnerRack.com because we never meant to be detrimental to ourselves
>or to the industry. Unfortunately, interpretations and opinions will always be across a large
>spectrum and we should be confident enough in our work to bare the brunt of it. As always, I'm
>quite appreciative of feedback, good or bad, because that means people are paying attention to
>comics and not swallowing everything before thinking about it.
Well if you're wanting feedback, and more of these opinions "across a
large spectrum," consider me one other that hasn't even bothered to
look at your site because, well, anyplace that would not only have
Liefeld as a regular writer, but would also be *proud* of this and
seem to highlight it so much, isn't really going to have anything
worth looking at in my opinion.
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Michael Pastor
"Laura M. Parkinson" <lpark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Allen Hui <al...@spinnerrack.com> rhapsodized in blue:
>
>
> >I'm glad we at least were able to be intriguing early on. Well, I've
said it before and I'll say
> >it again, I'd love to have opinions contrary to Rob Liefeld's in a
regular or guest column for
> >Spinner Rack. Any recognizable name from the industry would be cool.
I'm really sorry for your
> >depreciation of opinion for SpinnerRack.com because we never meant to be
detrimental to ourselves
> >or to the industry. Unfortunately, interpretations and opinions will
always be across a large
> >spectrum and we should be confident enough in our work to bare the brunt
of it. As always, I'm
> >quite appreciative of feedback, good or bad, because that means people
are paying attention to
> >comics and not swallowing everything before thinking about it.
>
> Well if you're wanting feedback, and more of these opinions "across a
> large spectrum," consider me one other that hasn't even bothered to
> look at your site because, well, anyplace that would not only have
> Liefeld as a regular writer, but would also be *proud* of this and
> seem to highlight it so much, isn't really going to have anything
> worth looking at in my opinion.
I don't understand this point of view. Columnists by nature are
controversial. If a columnist isn't, he/she is merely preaching to the
choir, so what's the point? I enjoy reading columnists I hate, because it
fuels my thinking of the opposing point of view, or at least allows me to
'know thy enemy.' It also allows me to feel , well, damn superior to idiots
that agree with him/her. Can't get any better than that. ;-)
michael pastor
Mutey Something
>I just read all five of the articles in a row. He still thinks that writers
>don't pull their weight in comics, regardless of what recent history has
>shown. Good writer/artist combos-in-one are a rare breed (and should remain
>so).
Winsor McCay. Elzie Segar. Frank King. George Herriman. Harvey
Kurtzman. Will Eisner. Charles Schulz. Jules Feiffer. Robert Crumb.
Bill Griffith. Justin Green. Raymond Briggs. Dori Seda. Eddie
Campbell. Frank Miller. Art Spiegelman. Claire Bretecher. Gilberto
Hernandez. Xaime Hernandez. Chester Brown. Peter Bagge. Bill
Watterson. Posy Simmonds. Steve Bell. Kyle Baker. Murray Ball. Matt
Groening. Lynda Barry. Chris Ware. Phoebe Gloeckner. Craig Thompson.
Patrick McDonnell. Tristan Farnon. Ariel Schrag.
I could go on for hours, but those are all GREAT, not good,
"writer/artist combos-in-one". And I can only think of three
writer-only cartoonists who I'd rank with most of those (all three of
whom have published their own writing/drawing combos), and only one
who's at the top level.
-Chris
__________________________
np: nothing at all
John Thorenson
the regulars in the vg newsgroups and have to come here and piss everyone off
with your isane and hypocritical rantings? We already have our incurable cunt
in Elayne Riggs? Please kindly fuck off and never come back.
>Well if you're wanting feedback, and more of these opinions "across a
>large spectrum," consider me one other that hasn't even bothered to
>look at your site because, well, anyplace that would not only have
>Liefeld as a regular writer, but would also be *proud* of this and
>seem to highlight it so much, isn't really going to have anything
>worth looking at in my opinion.
__
"You know you all take all this a bit to seriously. I think his snap comments
give this NG some personality---in a weird kind of way.
Lighten up."
John Kitchar, telling rgvn to lay off from trying to kick me (yes, ME!) off the
boards.
John Thorenson
>it that he's alienated himself from just about the entire comics
>industry and become so marginalized that he can't even earn a living
>in it anymore?
I imagine your hilarious disdain for Rob Liefeld has so deluded your inner
mental workings to the point that you think the outside world reflects what's
going on in your head. Rob Liefeld isn't going to hurt you I promise so you
don't have to constantly post such embarrassing and idiotic anti-Rob sentiment
all the time. Try taking up masturbating.
>And he's always got an excuse, doesn't he? He's like the criminal who
>blames his predicament on a bad upbringing. Someone else is always at
>fault. Never Rob. He has no accountability whatsoever.
Wow, comparing Rob to a criminal. That didn't take long. Time to compare him to
Satan and/or Hitler and be done with it.
>Maximum Press was a joke and Awesome Comics (Press? Whatever.) is even
>more so.
I'm more amused by your family members eating each other out in public for
spare change.
>His work is the kind of
>stuff that makes people think comics are embarrassing to be associated
>with.
Not anymore than the low-craft crap that goes on at every publisher. But he's
an ex-Image founder so of course he's the worst thing that's ever happened to
the industry. Try not to be so hypocritical, moron.
>but the fact that you've seen fit to
>give Liefeld a forum for his idiocy has really lowered my estimation
>of your site.
And the fact that everyone else here has lowered our estimation of you doesn't
exactly paint your anti-endorsement as anything but your own envy. Sell it
somewhere else, jerk.
John Thorenson
No one does. Laura Parkinson is a blight from the vg newsgroups who constantly
harrangues people there with hypocritical scenarios she could never hope to
fulfill herself. She actually told the President of Working Designs one time
(the only one who still wastes their time with that cesspool that people like
her have made it into) that he should apologize to any oversensitive poster who
has the slightest and most easily disproven problem with his game. Posters as
fucking dumb as her don't come along very often but it's fun shitting on them
for all to see.
jspektr
read about him.
But I read his column.
I thought it was quite interesting, and fairly well written.
I would read columns by him in the future.
JSpektr- I now return you to your regularly scheduled petty disputes
and personal attacks.
Graeme
news:196f2577.01080...@posting.google.com...
> I don't like Rob Liefeld's art, and I've never liked anything I've
> read about him.
>
> But I read his column.
>
> I thought it was quite interesting, and fairly well written.
>
> I would read columns by him in the future.
As would I - they've been surprisingly articulate so far, and seem to have
some grounding in common sense. Neither of which are things I normally
associate with Liefeld (sorry, couldn't help it), but as long as the columns
remain interesting I'll keep reading them.
Graeme
Jeremy Henderson
<scott...@hotmail.spamblock.com> wrote:
>> I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
>> opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
>> book.
>
>I look forward to each of his columns. I'm no fan of his comics, but he is
>surprisingly articulate as a comics pundit.
Most of what he's saying has already been said before though, usually
better.
Read my insane ramblings!
http://www.storymania.com/cgibin/sm2/smshowauthorbox.cgi?page=1&author=HendersonJL
Jeremy Henderson
<scott...@hotmail.spamblock.com> wrote:
>> I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
>> opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
>> book.
>
>I look forward to each of his columns. I'm no fan of his comics, but he is
>surprisingly articulate as a comics pundit.
Most of what he's saying has already been said before though, usually
Ronald J. Rickard Jr.
Laura M. Parkinson
>On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:53:53 -0700, "Scott Bailey"
><scott...@hotmail.spamblock.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm just curious as to who actually listens to what Rob Liefeld's
>>> opinion on anything could be. This guy has almost no credibility in my
>>> book.
>>
>>I look forward to each of his columns. I'm no fan of his comics, but he is
>>surprisingly articulate as a comics pundit.
>
>Most of what he's saying has already been said before though, usually
>better.
That's okay, most of what he's created has already been created
before, usually better.
(By the way, in a somewhat ironic note, given the subject... are you
aware that all your posts are being posted in duplicate?)
Carl Henderson
news:9kqnov$m85$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au:
> As would I - they've been surprisingly articulate so far, and seem to
> have some grounding in common sense. Neither of which are things I
> normally associate with Liefeld (sorry, couldn't help it), but as long
> as the columns remain interesting I'll keep reading them.
Maybe he's learned from his mistakes in the industry during the 1990s.
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Graeme
> > As would I - they've been surprisingly articulate so far, and seem to
> > have some grounding in common sense. Neither of which are things I
> > normally associate with Liefeld (sorry, couldn't help it), but as long
> > as the columns remain interesting I'll keep reading them.
>
> Maybe he's learned from his mistakes in the industry during the 1990s.
That's what I was attirbuting a lot of it to, but he still doesn't seem to
be applying any of what he's learned from the 90s to the 00s.
Graeme
GrapeApe
>That's what I was attirbuting a lot of it to, but he still doesn't seem
>to
>be applying any of what he's learned from the 90s to the 00s.
Is he presently producing comics?
If so it would be under the same warm fan enthusiasm John Byrne seems to be
presently enjoying. Is it easy to apply what you have learned when you are
considered a pariah by those who will not even give you a chance?
Graeme
news:20010809012931...@ng-fo1.aol.com...
> >That's what I was attirbuting a lot of it to, but he still doesn't seem
> >to
> >be applying any of what he's learned from the 90s to the 00s.
>
> Is he presently producing comics?
Presumably not, given that titles previously published under Awesome now
seem to be licensed through Avatar (anyone else looking forward to the
variant Adults Only hot-threeway-action cover of Alan Moore's "Glory"?).
But unless the things he's been writing about for SpinnerRack have just
occurred to him in the last 12 months, he must have been aware of some of
these things back when he was still producing stuff.
> If so it would be under the same warm fan enthusiasm John Byrne seems to
be
> presently enjoying. Is it easy to apply what you have learned when you
are
> considered a pariah by those who will not even give you a chance?
Better to apply it then than to keep running with the habits that have
earned you that dislike in the first place.
Graeme
Johanna Draper Carlson
> Most of what he's saying has already been said before though, usually
> better.
How does this differ him from many other people in comics? Superheroes,
especially, are a formula genre.
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Christopher Griffen
> Most of what he's saying has already been said before though, usually
> better.
Hmm. That sounds familiar, except that normally folks are talking
about his art, not his writing.
The column will thankfully die out as soon as he runs out of ideas,
which shouldn't take too long. Then, when visiting Spinnerrack, I can
just read the good columns without wincing at the fact the Liefeld has
made another weak attempt to write.
Christopher Griffen
> How does this differ him from many other people in comics? Superheroes,
> especially, are a formula genre.
Well, first of all, they're not ALL formula. Come on, cut 'em some
slack. There are some super hero titles out there that are original.
And many of those that are formulaic deviate from the formula enough
to make them interesting. But even those super hero titles that do
stick to formula can be enjoyable if they're done by talented
creators.
So, to answer your question, it differs because a talent like, say
Scott McDaniel or Frank Quitely can do formulaic super heroes and they
look and read great. But buy a super hero book by a ne'er do well like
Liefeld and you've just bought yourself a 32-page, $2.95 roll of
fishwrap.