Black Ink Irregulars beat Purple Pros
Tom Galloway
year r.a.c.'s Black Ink Irregulars beat the Purple Pros with a score of
something like 125-60 (my notes are pretty buried at this point).
tyg t...@Panix.com
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Tony Isabella
wrote:
>Details later, but in the annual Pro/Fan Trivia match at San Diego, this
>year r.a.c.'s Black Ink Irregulars beat the Purple Pros with a score of
>something like 125-60 (my notes are pretty buried at this point).<<<
Is this the first time the fans have beat the pros, Tom? What did you
guys do, get Waid all liquored up?
Seriously, congratulations. Only folks who have played in these
contests know how tough they can be.
Tony Isabella
Michael Alan Chary
Tony Isabella <ton...@ohio.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:07:12 +0000 (UTC), t...@panix.com (Tom Galloway)
>wrote:
>
>>Details later, but in the annual Pro/Fan Trivia match at San Diego, this
>>year r.a.c.'s Black Ink Irregulars beat the Purple Pros with a score of
>>something like 125-60 (my notes are pretty buried at this point).<<<
>
>Is this the first time the fans have beat the pros, Tom? What did you
>guys do, get Waid all liquored up?
When the competition was part of the regular San Diego trivia competition,
the fans would win every year by massive scores.
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> In article <42da5bc3...@news.expresslan.com>,
> Tony Isabella <ton...@ohio.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:07:12 +0000 (UTC), t...@panix.com (Tom Galloway)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Details later, but in the annual Pro/Fan Trivia match at San Diego, this
>>> year r.a.c.'s Black Ink Irregulars beat the Purple Pros with a score of
>>> something like 125-60 (my notes are pretty buried at this point).<<<
>>
>> Is this the first time the fans have beat the pros, Tom? What did you
>> guys do, get Waid all liquored up?
>> When the competition was part of the regular San Diego trivia
>> competition, the fans would win every year by massive scores.
>
> Well, they'd have to -- back then it was fans versus fans, right?
Once the pro team was formed, it's been pretty even, I think. But
clearly, I'm more valuable than I look...
kdb
Lee K. Seitz
>wrote:
>
>>Details later, but in the annual Pro/Fan Trivia match at San Diego, this
>>year r.a.c.'s Black Ink Irregulars beat the Purple Pros with a score of
>>something like 125-60 (my notes are pretty buried at this point).<<<
>
>Is this the first time the fans have beat the pros, Tom?
Hardly. The overall score now stand at BII 4, PP 6. I created what
seems to be the only page dedicated to the event
(http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/biivpp.shtml) and eagerly
anticipate a details from tyg!
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Lee K. Seitz
Lee K. Seitz <lks...@see.my.sig> wrote:
>Hardly. The overall score now stand at BII 4, PP 6. I created what
>seems to be the only page dedicated to the event
>(http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/biivpp.shtml) and eagerly
>anticipate a details from tyg!
And really, it's better written that all the typos above would
indicate. Gah!
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Mark J. Reed
>In article <11dnssn...@corp.supernews.com>,
>Lee K. Seitz <lks...@see.my.sig> wrote:
>>Hardly. The overall score now stand at BII 4, PP 6. I created what
>>seems to be the only page dedicated to the event
>>(http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/biivpp.shtml) and eagerly
>>anticipate a details from tyg!
>And really, it's better written that all the typos above would
>indicate. Gah!
Cool. So how does one get to be a member of the BII? :)
David Goldfarb
The primary qualification is showing up at the San Diego Comic Con.
Next you need to get tyg to let you on -- he, Jim Drew, and I have
permanent places if we claim them; although I haven't attended the
last few years. There's generally a place or two open, I believe.
I'm skiving off from work at the moment, but when I get home tonight
I'll post the questions and answers with annotations as to authorship.
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Mark J. Reed
>In article <jWUCe.13388$aY6....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
>Mark J. Reed <mr...@thereeds.org> wrote:
>>lks...@see.my.sig (Lee K. Seitz) writes:
>>>In article <11dnssn...@corp.supernews.com>,
>>>Lee K. Seitz <lks...@see.my.sig> wrote:
>>>>Hardly. The overall score now stand at BII 4, PP 6. I created what
>>>>seems to be the only page dedicated to the event
>>>>(http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/biivpp.shtml) and eagerly
>>>>anticipate a details from tyg!
>>
>>>And really, it's better written that all the typos above would
>>>indicate. Gah!
>>
>>Cool. So how does one get to be a member of the BII? :)
>The primary qualification is showing up at the San Diego Comic Con.
>Next you need to get tyg to let you on -- he, Jim Drew, and I have
>permanent places if we claim them; although I haven't attended the
>last few years. There's generally a place or two open, I believe.
So how did you and Jim and Tom first form the BII? I was more interested in
hearing the origin story than in applying for membership myself, since I
don't anticipate making it to the SDCC anytime soon. :)
Also, since I've been reading the BII vs PP web page, I have to ask: how *does*
one properly pronounce "Despero"? I've always mentally pronounced it
"despair-oh".
-Marcos
David Goldfarb
Mark J. Reed <mr...@thereeds.org> wrote:
>So how did you and Jim and Tom first form the BII? I was more interested in
>hearing the origin story than in applying for membership myself, since I
>don't anticipate making it to the SDCC anytime soon. :)
Well, darn.
Actually, I just looked at the web page about it, and there is a little
blurb at the top, which gives basically the whole story. Jim Hay used
to run a trivia competition open to all comers, and the Usenet team
with tyg and Jim Drew kept winning. 1994 was my first SDCC, and by
coincidence it was the year that Jim Hay banned Tom and Jim so that
others could have a chance. Naturally I had to uphold the honor of RAC*,
so I continued captaining winning teams in '95 and '96 until I was
banned myself.
As the page mentioned, Len Wein was playing in the '94 competition, and
he suggested a pro-fan match, which duly happened the next year and
most of the years since.
>Also, since I've been reading the BII vs PP web page, I have to ask: how *does*
>one properly pronounce "Despero"? I've always mentally pronounced it
>"despair-oh".
I don't know of any authoritative source off the top of my head. I've
always said "DESS-per-oh", sort of like "desperado" without the "-ad-".
Say, there's a category I should have put in this year's quiz: in 30
seconds, give as many villain names as you can ending in "o".
Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
Evillo, Universo....
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David Goldfarb
David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>Naturally I had to uphold the honor of RAC*,
>so I continued captaining winning teams in '95 and '96 until I was
>banned myself.
This is actually slightly misleading, sorry -- it makes it sound like I
was the captain in '94. I wasn't; Tom was. I find it hard, in fact,
to imagine tyg *not* being the captain of any team he was on. :-) Please
insert a comma right after "continued".
As promised, here are the questions from this year's contest. The theme
was super-villains again.
Four people sent me questions: Bob Buethe (BB), Mike Chary (MAC),
Jess Nevins (JJN), and John Wells (JW). I'd like to thank them.
Questions marked with (DJG) were written by me.
Toss-ups:
1. The name's the same -- well, almost. Osamu Tezuka's original name
for 'Astro Boy' and the original, heroic name that the wizard Shazam
gave an Egyptian.
A: Mighty Adam. [Tezuka's was 'Mighty Atom'] (DJG)
2. Satan! Sabbac! Ibac! Master Man! Collectively, they formed the
Confederacy of Hell alongside which female member ?
A: Darkling (ADVENTURE COMICS #491-492). (JW)
3.When Felix Faust gazed at his fantastic fingers in JLA #10, who was
giving him an involuntary thumbs-up ?
A: Aquaman. (JW)
4.He got a big head a month before Hector Hammond and promptly had it
handed to him by Batman. After that, he spent his time fighting the
Manhunter from Mars instead. Who was he ?
A: Professor Arnold Hugo (JW)
5. Before he was "crazier than the Joker and deadlier than Ra's al Ghul,"
Black Mask was heir to a fortune and the president of what company ?
A: Janus Cosmetics (BATMAN #386). (JW)
6. Watchers of the "Teen Titans" cartoon have seen a lot recently of
something called "the Mark of Skath". In the _New Teen Titans_ comic,
Trigon remarks, "...I was Skath on many worlds, and [blank] on still more."
For ten points, fill in the blank.
A: Ddrez. [Suggested pronunciation: "threz" with a voiced "th" (as in
"the" not as in "thin")] (DJG)
7. Live Wire, Ivan, and Shell-Shock thought they were his equal partners,
but he quickly disabused them of the notion with a dose of doubt. Who
was this invader from the Microverse?
A: Psycho-Man (DJG)
8. In Atom #34, the Atom battled the Big Gang (Big Head, Big Shot, Big Ben,
Big Wig, Big Cheese, Big Deal and Big Bertha). What physical characteristic
did all the Big Gang members have in common?
A: They were midgets. (BB)
9. One of the so-called "Servants of Darkness" was defeated, not by a
Legionnaire, but by a Durlan. Which one?
A: The clone of Lydea Mallor. [Accept "Lydea Mallor".] (MAC)
10. When the new X-Men encountered Doctor Doom, Doom found himself somewhat
attracted to Storm. Why was this odd?
A: It was later revealed that it wasn't Doom at all but a Doombot. (DJG)
11. With Earth's greatest heroes under his dominion, he flooded the rest
of the planet with waves of hate from his orbiting "sin-satellite."
Who was he ?
A: The Brain Emperor (MIGHTY CRUSADERS #1). (JW)
12. When the Forever People first encountered Darkseid, he was sporting
a unique fashion accessory. What was it?
A: A cape. [And yes, Darkseid in a cape looked just as silly as you'd
think.] (DJG)
13. Dr. Marden King tricked the heroes of Lallor into battling the Legion
because he blamed the Legion for the death of his brother.
Who was his brother?
A: Jungle King. [AKA Monster Master; accept either.] (DJG)
14. When Spider-Man got his own newspaper strip, the first villain to appear
in it was someone not normally associated with him. Who was it?
A: Doctor Doom. (GH)
15. Bruce Wayne would have had to be out of his mind to issue arrest
warrants for the Super-Squad. And he was. Whose control was he acting under?
A: The Psycho-Pirate. (MAC)
16. Like father, like son -- when the Ravager died trying to kill the
Teen Titans, his father embarked upon a vendetta against them. Who was he?
A: Deathstroke, the Terminator. (DJG)
17. In the world that's coming, Mister Big will rent a city just to destroy
the OMAC Project. But he'll only succeed in killing the creator of
Brother Eye, a man whose name is what ?
A: Myron Forest (OMAC #2). (JW)
18. The apes he was using as experimental subjects revolted and turned him
into the headman of the Headmen. Who was he?
A: Dr. Arthur Nagan. (DJG)
19. Why, according to a 1976 retcon, did Black Adam wear a black costume
from the start if he didn't use his powers for evil until later ?
A: Because he was the hero of "the Black Land." The full footnote read,
"The ancient Egyptians called their land Khem or Kemet -- 'The Black
Land' -- because of the black soil of the Nile Basin." (SHAZAM! #28). (JW)
20. Batman dubbed him the "Getaway Genius". What was his real name?
A: Roy Reynolds. (BB)
21. When Universo outlawed the Legion, some of the Legionnaires took
refuge in a thousand-year-old underground hideout -- built by whom?
A: Lex Luthor. (DJG)
Bonuses:
1. The future of the DC Universe has many villains. Put these in
correct chronological order:
Saturn Queen, Abra Kadabra, Jungle King, Marshall Kirovan Kafka,
Great Caesar, and Xotar the Weapons Master.
A: Kafka (OMAC), Great Caesar (Kamandi), Jungle King (Adventure-era LSH),
Saturn Queen (adult Legion), Abra Kadabra (64th century),
Xotar the Weapons Master ("10,000 years in the future") (JJN)
2. Never let it be said that Ned Creegan didn't appreciate the value of
reinventing himself. When Bag O' Bones failed to strike terror into the
hearts of men, he returned as the Cyclotronic Man. What alias did he use on
his third time out ?
A: One-Man Meltdown. [Accept "Meltdown".] (This is John Wells's phrasing,
but Bob Buethe submitted an almost identical question.)
3. Egyptians transformed into hawk-men! Hypnotic power! Discharges of
deadly force! And the Eye of Horus could only be defeated by a foe who
possessed its real name. Why had the Blue Beetle's ancient counterpart
never recorded this vital information ?
A: "Its true name is composed of nothing but vowel sounds and the
ancient Egyptians had no vowels in their written language"
(BLUE BEETLE #54). (JW)
4. Erik Josten was also a man given to reinvention -- most recently as
the super-hero Atlas. Before he became a hero, he had three different
villainous identities. Name them.
A: Power Man, the Smuggler, Goliath (DJG)
5. In the 1966 Carl Burgos "Captain Marvel" series, what villains were in
the Terrible Five?
A: Professor Doom, Atom-Jaw, Doctor Fate, Elasticman, and Tinyman. (BB)
6. Witnesses would later report hearing a violent altercation between the
scientist and his son-in-law. But what was the REAL reason no one ever
saw Doctor Stefan Tracy again ?
A: He was transformed into Doctor Evil (CAPTAIN ACTION #3). (JW)
7. Returning from the first Rann-Thanagar War, Hawkman and Hawkgirl
discovered they'd been replaced at the Midway City Museum by Anton Lamont,
the Fadeaway Man. What legendary treasure was he seeking ?
A: Leonardo da Vinci's Pistol of Power (DETECTIVE COMICS #479). (JW)
8. At the "Bar With No Name", the man called Scourge killed off no fewer
than 18 minor villains. Name at least five of them.
A: Bird-Man; Cheetah; Commander Kraken; Cyclone; Firebrand; Grappler;
Hellrazor; Hijacker; Jaguar; Letha; Mind-Wave; Mirage; Rapier; Ringer;
Shellshock; Steeplejack; Turner D. Century; Vamp (GH)
9. The Silver Age version of World War Two was full of skullduggery
whether it was Marvel's Red Skull or DC's Steel Skull or Charlton's
Smiling Skull. What was the real name of Sarge Steel and Judomaster's
nemesis ?
A: Rudolf Wolk (JUDOMASTER #92). (JW)
10. In Fantastic Four Annual #3, the wedding of Reed Richards and
Sue Storm is attacked by no fewer than 19 villains.
Name at least 9 of them.
A: Doctor Doom, the Puppet Master, the Red Ghost, the Mole Man,
the Mandarin, the Black Knight, Kang, the Mad Thinker, the Gray Gargoyle,
the Super-Skrull, the Cobra, the Executioner, the Enchantress,
Mr. Hyde, Electro, the Unicorn, the Beetle, the Human Top, Attuma (JW)
11. He was a card-carrying electronics thief. She was a moon-worshipping
madwoman. What did the Ace of Spades and Lady Lunar have in common ?
A: As Mike Bailey and Stacy Macklin, they trained to be astronauts at
NASA alongside Diana Prince (WONDER WOMAN #256 and WORLD'S FINEST #266). (JW)
12. Image isn't everything, especially when you're a would-be mirror
master who makes the mistake of abducting a senator's daughter who's
secretly Nightshade. What did the Image hope to accomplish by kidnapping
Eve Eden ?
A: He wanted to blackmail her father into killing a new defense
bill (CAPTAIN ATOM #88). (JW)
13. In the early days of the Fantastic Four, two things kept happening
to the Thing: he'd revert temporarily to his human form, and someone
would get him to fight his companions. Name four villains who turned the
Thing against the FF between issues 1 and 100.
A: The Puppet Master, the Hate-Monger, the Wizard, the Mad Thinker. (DJG)
14. Batman couldn't solve it but the Old Timer did. How did the mortal
Guardian of the Universe figure out which of his brothers was really
a disguised Sinestro ?
A: He lowered the temperature because the mortal Sinestro would shiver
while the evolved Guardians were no longer susceptible to cold
(BRAVE & BOLD #174). (JW)
15. Seeking to revive his waning powers, the Wizard secretly arranged
for the Secret Society of Super-Villains to steal four sorcerous
treasures but only succeeded in getting three of them. What was the
object he lost ?
A: The Dragon Box (SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS #9). (JW)
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Tom Galloway
>to run a trivia competition open to all comers, and the Usenet team
>with tyg and Jim Drew kept winning. 1994 was my first SDCC, and by
>coincidence it was the year that Jim Hay banned Tom and Jim so that
>others could have a chance. Naturally I had to uphold the honor of RAC*,
>so I continued captaining winning teams in '95 and '96 until I was
>banned myself.
What David leaves out is that at first in 1994, Jim banned the whole BII
team for repeated wins. David and whoever else was on it promptly pointed
out that it was only their first year, so they shouldn't be banned. Jim
changed his ban to only Jim Drew and I, as we were the only ones on all
three winning teams.
Needless to say, about 1 second after David's 3rd win in 1996, I was going
"Ban him! Ban him!". :-)
>I don't know of any authoritative source off the top of my head. I've
>always said "DESS-per-oh", sort of like "desperado" without the "-ad-".
As I recall, the Pros agree with you.
>Say, there's a category I should have put in this year's quiz: in 30
>seconds, give as many villain names as you can ending in "o".
>Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
>Evillo, Universo....
Right. You do realize you would've had to provide the complete set of
answers in alphabetical order for Keith to have worked from? :-)
tyg t...@panix.com
Tom Galloway
David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>As promised, here are the questions from this year's contest. The theme
>was super-villains again.
>
>Four people sent me questions: Bob Buethe (BB), Mike Chary (MAC),
>Jess Nevins (JJN), and John Wells (JW). I'd like to thank them.
>Questions marked with (DJG) were written by me.
And here's the match commentary. I did misremember the final score; 135-70
BII. We were moderately lame and only came up with "Microsoft Technical
Support" as an alternate team name, which got the response from the Pros
that not only would we give the wrong answer, but we'd put them on hold
for 20 minutes before we gave it.
Cast of characters this year:
Purple Pros: Len Wein, Mark Waid, and, interesting in terms of the topics
of some of the questions written without knowing they'd be on the team,
Marv Wolfman, and Paul Levitz.
Black Ink Irregulars: Tom Galloway, David Oakes, John Sardegna, Hal Shipman.
Moderator: Keith DeCandido. Since Jim Hay couldn't do it this year, I
recruited Keith based on his having been Jimmy Kimmel to my Ben Stein in
a couple of Worldcon runnings of "Win Tom Galloway's Money". In other words,
he's used to putting up with smartass comments from the players.
Toss-ups were 10 points, with a 5 point penalty if you interrupted and
answered wrong. Bonus questions were 20 points.
1. The name's the same -- well, almost. Osamu Tezuka's original name
for 'Astro Boy' and the original, heroic name that the wizard Shazam
gave an Egyptian.
A: Mighty Adam. [Tezuka's was 'Mighty Atom'] (DJG)
I buzzed in right after Astro Boy and got it.
Bonus: The future of the DC Universe has many villains. Put these in
correct chronological order:
Saturn Queen, Abra Kadabra, Jungle King, Marshall Kirovan Kafka,
Great Caesar, and Xotar the Weapons Master.
A: Kafka (OMAC), Great Caesar (Kamandi), Jungle King (Adventure-era LSH),
Saturn Queen (adult Legion), Abra Kadabra (64th century),
Xotar the Weapons Master ("10,000 years in the future") (JJN)
We quickly put all but Kafka in the correct order, although there was some
debate over whether Saturn Queen should go before Jungle King based on
publication date of first appearance. We decided that JK was born before
SQ and went with that. None of us recalled Kafka, so we dropped him in
first in hopes that he was present day. 20 points.
BII 30 PP 0
>2. Satan! Sabbac! Ibac! Master Man! Collectively, they formed the
>Confederacy of Hell alongside which female member ?
>A: Darkling (ADVENTURE COMICS #491-492). (JW)
Neither team got this one. I guessed Satana, forget what the Pros went with.
BII 30 PP 0
3.When Felix Faust gazed at his fantastic fingers in JLA #10, who was
giving him an involuntary thumbs-up ?
A: Aquaman. (JW)
Everyone went "Ahhhhgh!" and was frantically trying to come up with a mental
image of those hands. I finally buzzed in with "Well, it'd be ironic if
Snapper Carr was the thumb". I believe the Pros went with Martian Manhunter.
BII 30 PP 0
4.He got a big head a month before Hector Hammond and promptly had it
handed to him by Batman. After that, he spent his time fighting the
Manhunter from Mars instead. Who was he ?
A: Professor Arnold Hugo (JW)
Mark got this for the Pros.
Bonus: Never let it be said that Ned Creegan didn't appreciate the value of
reinventing himself. When Bag O' Bones failed to strike terror into the
hearts of men, he returned as the Cyclotronic Man. What alias did he use on
his third time out ?
A: One-Man Meltdown. [Accept "Meltdown".] (This is John Wells's phrasing,
but Bob Buethe submitted an almost identical question.)
Everyone blanked on this; I recalled it was from the Outsiders, but not the
name until Keith revealed it.
BII 30 PP 10
5. Before he was "crazier than the Joker and deadlier than Ra's al Ghul,"
Black Mask was heir to a fortune and the president of what company ?
A: Janus Cosmetics (BATMAN #386). (JW)
Mark got this one.
Bonus: Egyptians transformed into hawk-men! Hypnotic power! Discharges of
deadly force! And the Eye of Horus could only be defeated by a foe who
possessed its real name. Why had the Blue Beetle's ancient counterpart
never recorded this vital information ?
A: "Its true name is composed of nothing but vowel sounds and the
ancient Egyptians had no vowels in their written language"
(BLUE BEETLE #54). (JW)
The Pros came up with various joke answers, but we were all astounded at
the, well, silliness of the correct answer. It was later used as joke
comments for other questions.
BII 30 PP 20
6. Watchers of the "Teen Titans" cartoon have seen a lot recently of
something called "the Mark of Skath". In the _New Teen Titans_ comic,
Trigon remarks, "...I was Skath on many worlds, and [blank] on still more."
For ten points, fill in the blank.
A: Ddrez. [Suggested pronunciation: "threz" with a voiced "th" (as in
"the" not as in "thin")] (DJG)
I buzzed in with, I think, Satan. Marv spent some time imitating Len; "Wait
a minute, I wrote that?" Including after the answer was given. :-)
BII 30 PP 20
7. Live Wire, Ivan, and Shell-Shock thought they were his equal partners,
but he quickly disabused them of the notion with a dose of doubt. Who
was this invader from the Microverse?
A: Psycho-Man (DJG)
I hit the buzzer right about "his" and got it. Personally, I always wondered
who win in a battle between these lightweights and Dr. Doom's team of Bull,
Yogi, and Handsome Harry.
Bonus: Erik Josten was also a man given to reinvention -- most recently as
the super-hero Atlas. Before he became a hero, he had three different
villainous identities. Name them.
A: Power Man, the Smuggler, Goliath (DJG)
Keith commented about just how stupid it was to both fight over the name and
change it just because he lost to Luke Cage; why not keep using it since
what more can Cage do to you? We got it.
BII 60 PP 20
8. In Atom #34, the Atom battled the Big Gang (Big Head, Big Shot, Big Ben,
Big Wig, Big Cheese, Big Deal and Big Bertha). What physical characteristic
did all the Big Gang members have in common?
A: They were midgets. (BB)
Or "little people". Or "vertically challenged". etc. Paul got this one for
the Pros.
Bonus: In the 1966 Carl Burgos "Captain Marvel" series, what villains were in
the Terrible Five?
A: Professor Doom, Atom-Jaw, Doctor Fate, Elasticman, and Tinyman. (BB)
As I recall, the Pros got 3/5, forgetting Tinyman and going with Plastic
Man for Elasticman (not unreasonably given the number of other name ripoffs
in that series).
BII 60 PP 30
9. One of the so-called "Servants of Darkness" was defeated, not by a
Legionnaire, but by a Durlan. Which one?
A: The clone of Lydea Mallor. [Accept "Lydea Mallor".] (MAC)
OK, this one got messy. I buzzed in at Legionnaire and answered "Yera, who
was disguised as Shrinking Violet". Wrong, -5 penalty. The problem was, when
Keith finished the question for the Pros, we all thought "Which one?"
refered to the Durlan, not the Servant. Which was confusing the heck out of
me, since I was sure it was Yera. And also spoiling our chance to see if
Paul remembers what he wrote better than Len or Marv. :-) Unfortunately,
Keith didn't know the answer beyond what was written down, so he couldn't
clarify for the Pros.
BII 55 PP 30
10. When the new X-Men encountered Doctor Doom, Doom found himself somewhat
attracted to Storm. Why was this odd?
A: It was later revealed that it wasn't Doom at all but a Doombot. (DJG)
Figured David wrote that one. :-) Hal buzzed in and got it for the BII.
Bonus: Witnesses would later report hearing a violent altercation between the
scientist and his son-in-law. But what was the REAL reason no one ever
saw Doctor Stefan Tracy again ?
A: He was transformed into Doctor Evil (CAPTAIN ACTION #3). (JW)
Took me a moment, but Tracy's name finally rang a bell and I reeled off
something like "Because he fell into a series of dimensional portals and
turned blue with an exposed brain and came back as Dr. Evil to battle
Captain Action, said son-in-law".
To which Keith replied "We only needed 'He turned into Dr. Evil' you know".
BII 85 PP 30
11. With Earth's greatest heroes under his dominion, he flooded the rest
of the planet with waves of hate from his orbiting "sin-satellite."
Who was he ?
A: The Brain Emperor (MIGHTY CRUSADERS #1). (JW)
I forget who, but someone called out "Rush Limbaugh". Who became a running
gag for the rest of the match. Neither team got this one.
BII 85 PP 30
At this point, I think Keith varied from the question order. I'll try to
reconstruct things, but I suspect I'll mess up some of the actual ordering.
12. When the Forever People first encountered Darkseid, he was sporting
a unique fashion accessory. What was it?
A: A cape. [And yes, Darkseid in a cape looked just as silly as you'd
think.] (DJG)
I buzzed in with the deliberate joke answer of "A beret".
BII 85 PP 30
13. Dr. Marden King tricked the heroes of Lallor into battling the Legion
because he blamed the Legion for the death of his brother.
Who was his brother?
A: Jungle King. [AKA Monster Master; accept either.] (DJG)
I buzzed in with this one, after hesitating a moment since surely such an
obscure character as Jungle King wouldn't get used twice in one match...but
that was who I thought it was.
Bonus: In Fantastic Four Annual #3, the wedding of Reed Richards and
Sue Storm is attacked by no fewer than 19 villains. Name at least 9 of them.
A: Doctor Doom, the Puppet Master, the Red Ghost, the Mole Man,
the Mandarin, the Black Knight, Kang, the Mad Thinker, the Gray Gargoyle,
the Super-Skrull, the Cobra, the Executioner, the Enchantress,
Mr. Hyde, Electro, the Unicorn, the Beetle, the Human Top, Attuma (JW)
We managed to put this together, even after the Pros asked us to stop using
pen and paper to keep track. If I recall correctly, we went with Doom,
Puppet Master, Black Knight, Executioner, Enchantress, Red Ghost (who was
number six that we named, so we asked if his Super-Apes would count as the
last three. No.), Mad Thinker (You're not going to let us count the Android
either are you? No.), Attuma, and Mole Man.
BII 115 PP 30
14. When Spider-Man got his own newspaper strip, the first villain to appear
in it was someone not normally associated with him. Who was it?
A: Doctor Doom. (GH)
John buzzed in with this one.
Bonus: He was a card-carrying electronics thief. She was a moon-worshipping
madwoman. What did the Ace of Spades and Lady Lunar have in common ?
A: As Mike Bailey and Stacy Macklin, they trained to be astronauts at
NASA alongside Diana Prince (WONDER WOMAN #256 and WORLD'S FINEST #266). (JW)
We forgot all about that incarnation of the Royal Flush Gang (at least until
"astronauts" was mentioned, at which point I remembered it) and only recalled
the Aces that were Amos Fortune and a robot. So we finally went with "They
were in the same gang when they were kids", the common basis of the very first
RFG.
BII 125 PP 30
15. Like father, like son -- when the Ravager died trying to kill the
Teen Titans, his father embarked upon a vendetta against them. Who was he?
A: Deathstroke, the Terminator. (DJG)
I beat Marv on this one.
Bonus: Batman couldn't solve it but the Old Timer did. How did the mortal
Guardian of the Universe figure out which of his brothers was really
a disguised Sinestro ?
A: He lowered the temperature because the mortal Sinestro would shiver
while the evolved Guardians were no longer susceptible to cold
(BRAVE & BOLD #174). (JW)
We went the other direction with the disguised Guardian sweating.
BII 135 PP 30
16. Bruce Wayne would have had to be out of his mind to issue arrest
warrants for the Super-Squad. And he was. Whose control was he acting under?
A: The Psycho-Pirate. (MAC)
Mark got this one, despite Paul writing it. :-)
Bonus: Returning from the first Rann-Thanagar War, Hawkman and Hawkgirl
discovered they'd been replaced at the Midway City Museum by Anton Lamont,
the Fadeaway Man. What legendary treasure was he seeking ?
A: Leonardo da Vinci's Pistol of Power (DETECTIVE COMICS #479). (JW)
Recalling that Anton's power was from the Cloak of Calligostro, I believe
the Pros went with some other Calligostro artifact. We all laughed a lot
at the sheer cheesiness of "Leonardo da Vinci's Pistol of Power" (did they
even have pistols in his lifetime?).
BII 135 PP 40
17. Batman dubbed him the "Getaway Genius". What was his real name?
A: Roy Reynolds. (BB)
Mark got this one.
Bonus: The Silver Age version of World War Two was full of skullduggery
whether it was Marvel's Red Skull or DC's Steel Skull or Charlton's
Smiling Skull. What was the real name of Sarge Steel and Judomaster's
nemesis ?
A: Rudolf Wolk (JUDOMASTER #92). (JW)
Nope. No guess that I recall.
BII 135 PP 50
18. In the world that's coming, Mister Big will rent a city just to destroy
the OMAC Project. But he'll only succeed in killing the creator of
Brother Eye, a man whose name is what ?
A: Myron Forest (OMAC #2). (JW)
No one could recall this one.
BII 135 PP 50
19. The apes he was using as experimental subjects revolted and turned him
into the headman of the Headmen. Who was he?
A: Dr. Arthur Nagan. (DJG)
Mark got this one.
Bonus: In the early days of the Fantastic Four, two things kept happening
to the Thing: he'd revert temporarily to his human form, and someone
would get him to fight his companions. Name four villains who turned the
Thing against the FF between issues 1 and 100.
A: The Puppet Master, the Hate-Monger, the Wizard, the Mad Thinker. (DJG)
The Pros went with Doom rather than Hate-Monger.
BII 135 PP 60
20. When Universo outlawed the Legion, some of the Legionnaires took
refuge in a thousand-year-old underground hideout -- built by whom?
A: Lex Luthor. (DJG)
Mark got this one for the Pros, irking me since Outlaw Legion is one of
my favorite stories.
Bonus: Seeking to revive his waning powers, the Wizard secretly arranged
for the Secret Society of Super-Villains to steal four sorcerous
treasures but only succeeded in getting three of them. What was the
object he lost ?
A: The Dragon Box (SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS #9). (JW)
I believe they went with the joke answer of "Pistol of Power", just because
it's fun to say. :-)
BII 135 PP 70
20. Why, according to a 1976 retcon, did Black Adam wear a black costume
from the start if he didn't use his powers for evil until later ?
A: Because he was the hero of "the Black Land." The full footnote read,
"The ancient Egyptians called their land Khem or Kemet -- 'The Black
Land' -- because of the black soil of the Nile Basin." (SHAZAM! #28). (JW)
I buzzed in with "An episode of Queer Eye for the Egyptian Superguy that
went horribly wrong". Someone on the Pros tossed out something involving
a lack of vowels in the Egyptian language.
BII 135 PP 70
Toss-Up stats:
Mark 6
Tom 4 1 interrupt
Paul 1
Hal 1
John 1
As you can see, the Pros actually won on toss-ups. We lucked out in getting
the more answerable bonuses.
Fun as always, and looking forward to seeing what topic the Pros come up
for for next year's match.
tyg t...@panix.com
David Goldfarb
Well, yes -- that's why I didn't do it. I *was* kind of hoping that
people here would extend the list and we'd get something canonical.
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David Goldfarb
In article <dbieus$iik$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
Tom Galloway <t...@panix.com> wrote:
>Purple Pros: Len Wein, Mark Waid, and, interesting in terms of the topics
>of some of the questions written without knowing they'd be on the team,
>Marv Wolfman, and Paul Levitz.
I made a conscious effort to keep down the number of Legion questions,
in fact.
>Bonus: The future of the DC Universe has many villains. Put these in
>correct chronological order:
>Saturn Queen, Abra Kadabra, Jungle King, Marshall Kirovan Kafka,
>Great Caesar, and Xotar the Weapons Master.
>
>A: Kafka (OMAC), Great Caesar (Kamandi), Jungle King (Adventure-era LSH),
>Saturn Queen (adult Legion), Abra Kadabra (64th century),
>Xotar the Weapons Master ("10,000 years in the future") (JJN)
>
>We quickly put all but Kafka in the correct order, although there was some
>debate over whether Saturn Queen should go before Jungle King based on
>publication date of first appearance. We decided that JK was born before
>SQ and went with that. None of us recalled Kafka, so we dropped him in
>first in hopes that he was present day. 20 points.
Here I thought that was going to be one of the harder ones. OMAC wasn't
quite present day, but it was the earliest one of the group -- good guess.
>6. Watchers of the "Teen Titans" cartoon have seen a lot recently of
>something called "the Mark of Skath". In the _New Teen Titans_ comic,
>Trigon remarks, "...I was Skath on many worlds, and [blank] on still more."
>For ten points, fill in the blank.
>A: Ddrez. [Suggested pronunciation: "threz" with a voiced "th" (as in
>"the" not as in "thin")] (DJG)
>
>I buzzed in with, I think, Satan. Marv spent some time imitating Len; "Wait
>a minute, I wrote that?" Including after the answer was given. :-)
LOL.
>Bonus: In the 1966 Carl Burgos "Captain Marvel" series, what villains were in
>the Terrible Five?
>A: Professor Doom, Atom-Jaw, Doctor Fate, Elasticman, and Tinyman. (BB)
>
>As I recall, the Pros got 3/5, forgetting Tinyman and going with Plastic
>Man for Elasticman (not unreasonably given the number of other name ripoffs
>in that series).
Actually, he apparently *was* called Plastic Man at first, but then
changed his name. There was another villain called "The Bat" who changed
to "The Ray" -- this was one of BB's questions that I didn't use.
>9. One of the so-called "Servants of Darkness" was defeated, not by a
>Legionnaire, but by a Durlan. Which one?
>A: The clone of Lydea Mallor. [Accept "Lydea Mallor".] (MAC)
>
>OK, this one got messy. I buzzed in at Legionnaire and answered "Yera, who
>was disguised as Shrinking Violet". Wrong, -5 penalty. The problem was, when
>Keith finished the question for the Pros, we all thought "Which one?"
>refered to the Durlan, not the Servant. Which was confusing the heck out of
>me, since I was sure it was Yera. And also spoiling our chance to see if
>Paul remembers what he wrote better than Len or Marv. :-) Unfortunately,
>Keith didn't know the answer beyond what was written down, so he couldn't
>clarify for the Pros.
Ouch. In retrospect the ambiguity is obvious, but it's the sort of thing
that's hard to see when you're writing it and know what you mean. The
obvious fix is to change "which one" to "which Servant"....
Did you guess that that one was from Mike? A reworked version of his
favorite Legion trivia question.
>10. When the new X-Men encountered Doctor Doom, Doom found himself somewhat
>attracted to Storm. Why was this odd?
>A: It was later revealed that it wasn't Doom at all but a Doombot. (DJG)
>
>Figured David wrote that one. :-) Hal buzzed in and got it for the BII.
I was restraining myself from putting in more Claremont X-Men questions.
I remember in one of the early matches, there was a question of "who got
knocked out in the Danger Room" and I buzzed in with "Kitty Pryde and
Dani Moonstar". This caused Len to shriek, "Have you got a LIFE?"
What I wish I'd said: "Hey -- you know the comics you grew up reading,
I know the comics that *I* grew up reading!"
>Bonus: In Fantastic Four Annual #3, the wedding of Reed Richards and
>Sue Storm is attacked by no fewer than 19 villains. Name at least 9 of them.
>A: Doctor Doom, the Puppet Master, the Red Ghost, the Mole Man,
>the Mandarin, the Black Knight, Kang, the Mad Thinker, the Gray Gargoyle,
>the Super-Skrull, the Cobra, the Executioner, the Enchantress,
>Mr. Hyde, Electro, the Unicorn, the Beetle, the Human Top, Attuma (JW)
How'd that JW get on there? This one was actually mine.
>We managed to put this together, even after the Pros asked us to stop using
>pen and paper to keep track. If I recall correctly, we went with Doom,
>Puppet Master, Black Knight, Executioner, Enchantress, Red Ghost (who was
>number six that we named, so we asked if his Super-Apes would count as the
>last three. No.), Mad Thinker (You're not going to let us count the Android
>either are you? No.), Attuma, and Mole Man.
I agree with Keith: the Red Ghost and his Super-Apes are a unit, and
so are the Mad Thinker and Awesome Andy.
>16. Bruce Wayne would have had to be out of his mind to issue arrest
>warrants for the Super-Squad. And he was. Whose control was he acting under?
>A: The Psycho-Pirate. (MAC)
>
>Mark got this one, despite Paul writing it. :-)
I actually had no idea what this was referring to. Figures it would be
one of PL's stories, for a question from Mike.
>Bonus: Returning from the first Rann-Thanagar War, Hawkman and Hawkgirl
>discovered they'd been replaced at the Midway City Museum by Anton Lamont,
>the Fadeaway Man. What legendary treasure was he seeking ?
>A: Leonardo da Vinci's Pistol of Power (DETECTIVE COMICS #479). (JW)
>
>Recalling that Anton's power was from the Cloak of Calligostro, I believe
>the Pros went with some other Calligostro artifact. We all laughed a lot
>at the sheer cheesiness of "Leonardo da Vinci's Pistol of Power" (did they
>even have pistols in his lifetime?).
Actually, I think they did -- single-shot flintlocks. I might be wrong.
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Mark J. Reed
>As the page mentioned, Len Wein was playing in the '94 competition, and
>he suggested a pro-fan match, which duly happened the next year and
>most of the years since.
And the rest, as they say, is history. Thanks for the recap!
>I don't know of any authoritative source off the top of my head. I've
>always said "DESS-per-oh", sort of like "desperado" without the "-ad-".
>Say, there's a category I should have put in this year's quiz: in 30
>seconds, give as many villain names as you can ending in "o".
>Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
>Evillo, Universo....
Okay, I know all of those except . . . "Evillo"? Are you serious?
Well, of course you are, but that's . . . wow.
How could you leave out Eclipso, star of DoV? And we mustn't forget Nippo.
(I would like to forget Nippo, but since I can't, no one else is allowed to,
either!) Does Bluto count? Is Popeye a superhero? (One who uses his powers
in a manner unusually selfish for the genre . . .)
It'd be a hard question to score, though. Unless you do the "other team will
go into this soundproofed booth..." and compare totals, or ask the other team a
different, but allegedly equally difficult, "name as many as you can" question.
"Name as many Sci-Fi alien races as you can whose name ends in -on..."
David Goldfarb
>Well, of course you are, but that's . . . wow.
It gets worse: he's the villain of a semi-legendary Legion story that
did a bunch of stuff -- fixed Lightning Lad's arm, brought back Star
Boy and Dream Girl, introduced the White Witch, and so on. I heard for
years about this story and all the changes it made. Then I finally
got to read it...and found that it's just as lame as you'd expect from
the name "Evillo". Sigh.
>How could you leave out Eclipso, star of DoV? And we mustn't forget Nippo.
>(I would like to forget Nippo, but since I can't, no one else is allowed to,
>either!) Does Bluto count? Is Popeye a superhero? (One who uses his powers
>in a manner unusually selfish for the genre . . .)
Yep, forgot Eclipso. Hell, when I was first starting the list, I forgot
Magneto! Never heard of Nippo, don't count Bluto.
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Mark J. Reed
>It gets worse: he's the villain of a semi-legendary Legion story that
>did a bunch of stuff -- fixed Lightning Lad's arm, brought back Star
>Boy and Dream Girl, introduced the White Witch, and so on. I heard for
>years about this story and all the changes it made. Then I finally
>got to read it...and found that it's just as lame as you'd expect from
>the name "Evillo". Sigh.
That's a shame. But look on the bright side: none of that ever happened
now. Or never will happen. Or something.
>Yep, forgot Eclipso. Hell, when I was first starting the list, I forgot
>Magneto!
Heh.
> Never heard of Nippo.
Lucky you! Part of the Monster Society of Evil.
Thought of one more: Metallo. So let's get back to the business
of list construction:
DG> Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
DG> Evillo, Universo
MR> Eclipso, Nippo, Metallo
Who else?
Mark J. Reed
>DG> Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
>DG> Evillo, Universo
>MR> Eclipso, Nippo, Metallo
Two more:
MR> Bizarro, Sinestro
(Me should have thinked of them sooner. Me am big Green Lantern fan, too.)
David Goldfarb
>>DG> Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
>>DG> Evillo, Universo
>
>>MR> Eclipso, Nippo, Metallo
I forgot Metallo and then remembered him and then forgot him again.
>Two more:
>
>MR> Bizarro, Sinestro
>
>(Me should have thinked of them sooner. Me am big Green Lantern fan, too.)
So am I -- you may or may not remember my attempts to translate the
various oaths into Latin....
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jpha...@yahoo.com
Mark J. Reed wrote:
>
> Thought of one more: Metallo. So let's get back to the business
> of list construction:
>
> DG> Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
> DG> Evillo, Universo
>
> MR> Eclipso, Nippo, Metallo
>
> Who else?
Callisto. Mojo. Mysterio. Maybe Gepetto (Fables). :-)
Mark J. Reed
>So am I -- you may or may not remember my attempts to translate the
>various oaths into Latin....
Indeed I do!
One more for the list, from Your Friendly Neighborhood rogues gallery:
DG> Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
DG> Evillo, Universo
MR> Eclipso, Nippo, Metallo, Bizarro, Sinestro, Rhino
Mark J. Reed
>Callisto. Mojo. Mysterio. Maybe Gepetto (Fables). :-)
Ooh, Mysterio! Good one. While I recognize the original sources of Callisto
and Geppetto, they aren't ringing any bells in the context of supervillainy.
Nor do I know who Mojo is, unless that's short for "Mojo Jojo" of the Powerpuff
Girls...
But I had a cosmic epiphany about some Doc Strange villains to add to the list:
the demonic Mephisto and, of course, his arch-nemesis Baron Mordo. Hm. What
about Agamotto? He's one of the good guys, but he did fight Doc Strange
on at least one occasion.
Nah, one fight does not a supervillain make. Scratch Aggie from the list.
Is Ego the living planet a villan? Vertigo of the Savage land? What about the
Maestro (Bruce Banner from the future)? Maybe we need a definition of the
parameters. :)
Well, the savage and lovely Vertigo has a counterpart in the Distinguished
Competition who is unambiguously villainous, as well as apparently landed:
Count Vertigo. And now that I'm mentally back in DC-land, my angst over mising
the initial broadcast of the Titans season finale reminds me about Gizmo. And
it's a short mental hop from there through chatter about the LSH cartoon to
Mano from the Fatal Five.
So, The List So Far:
DG> Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
DG> Evillo, Universo
MR> Eclipso, Nippo, Metallo, Bizarro, Sinestro, Rhino, Mephisto,
MR> Baron Mordo, Count Vertigo, Gizmo, Mano
JP> Callisto, Mojo, Mysterio
Theron
Michael S. Schiffer
news:dbir01$11db$1...@agate.berkeley.edu:
> In article
> <1b5De.13747$aY6....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Mark J.
> Reed <mr...@thereeds.org> wrote:
>>Okay, I know all of those except . . . "Evillo"? Are you
>>serious? Well, of course you are, but that's . . . wow.
> It gets worse: he's the villain of a semi-legendary Legion
> story that did a bunch of stuff -- fixed Lightning Lad's arm,
> brought back Star Boy and Dream Girl, introduced the White
> Witch, and so on. I heard for years about this story and all
> the changes it made. Then I finally got to read it...and found
> that it's just as lame as you'd expect from the name "Evillo".
> Sigh.
Though Tenzil Kem's commentary on him and the Devil's Dozen ("Devil's
half-dozen, really-- they never got above four members. Five if you
count Sugyn twice") was one of the few bits I remember fondly from
v.4.
Mike
--
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jpha...@yahoo.com
> jpha...@yahoo.com writes:
> >Callisto. Mojo. Mysterio. Maybe Gepetto (Fables). :-)
>
> Ooh, Mysterio! Good one. While I recognize the original sources of Callisto
> and Geppetto, they aren't ringing any bells in the context of supervillainy.
> Nor do I know who Mojo is, unless that's short for "Mojo Jojo" of the Powerpuff
> Girls...
Callisto, former leader of the Morlocks, fights Storm every now and
then when Marvel feels like flogging Storm's ability to fight without
using her powers.
Mojo runs Mojo World running a murderous equivalent to a reality
television show.
Gepetto may or may not be a villain in Bill Willingham's Fables
universe, possibly depending on the revelations of Fables #40.
> DG> Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
> DG> Evillo, Universo
>
> MR> Eclipso, Nippo, Metallo, Bizarro, Sinestro, Rhino, Mephisto,
> MR> Baron Mordo, Count Vertigo, Gizmo, Mano
>
> JP> Callisto, Mojo, Mysterio
Baron Zemo (Captain America).
Wendigo (X-Men).
Diablo (Fantastic Four).
Draco (X-Men, Chuck Austen, don't ask any more questions :-) ).
Zarrko (Thor).
Belasco (Ka-zar, X-Men).
David Goldfarb
Good ones! Callisto and Mojo are in, and heck, let's throw in Mojo Jojo
while we're at it. _Fables_ isn't a superhero book, so Gepetto is out
whether he's a villain or not. Marvel's Vertigo was in the Marauders
when they massacred the Morlocks, so she certainly counts. And I just
remembered Amazo's creator: Professor Ivo.
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Carl Fink
> ... Marvel's Vertigo was in the Marauders when they massacred the
> Morlocks, so she certainly counts ...
How about DC's Count Werner Vertigo?
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If you attempt to fix something that isn't broken, it will be.
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Mark J. Reed
>On 2005-07-20, David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>> ... Marvel's Vertigo was in the Marauders when they massacred the
>> Morlocks, so she certainly counts ...
>How about DC's Count Werner Vertigo?
Count Vertigo is already on the list . . . but are you saying that
Vertigo is his real name? And his first name is Werner? That's just
silly. :)
Michael Alan Chary
>
>Purple Pros: Len Wein, Mark Waid, and, interesting in terms of the topics
>of some of the questions written without knowing they'd be on the team,
>Marv Wolfman, and Paul Levitz.
>
>Black Ink Irregulars: Tom Galloway, David Oakes, John Sardegna, Hal Shipman.
>
>Moderator: Keith DeCandido. Since Jim Hay couldn't do it this year, I
>recruited Keith based on his having been Jimmy Kimmel to my Ben Stein in
>a couple of Worldcon runnings of "Win Tom Galloway's Money". In other words,
>he's used to putting up with smartass comments from the players.
Hey, did you use any of my category suggestions last year?
>
>9. One of the so-called "Servants of Darkness" was defeated, not by a
>Legionnaire, but by a Durlan. Which one?
This was*NOT* my phrasing. Not.
>A: The clone of Lydea Mallor. [Accept "Lydea Mallor".] (MAC)
>
>OK, this one got messy. I buzzed in at Legionnaire and answered "Yera, who
>was disguised as Shrinking Violet". Wrong, -5 penalty. The problem was, when
>Keith finished the question for the Pros, we all thought "Which one?"
>refered to the Durlan, not the Servant. Which was confusing the heck out of
>me, since I was sure it was Yera. And also spoiling our chance to see if
Not a native English speaker? "One of"..."Which one?" :) Additionally,
the category was about super-villains, not hero wives :)
>Paul remembers what he wrote better than Len or Marv. :-) Unfortunately,
>Keith didn't know the answer beyond what was written down, so he couldn't
>clarify for the Pros.
Actually, I don't think this was a fair question, and I'm surprised it
was used. A) all the Usenet people have seen me go on about it, so in
theory they know the answer. B) I've personally asked Waid and Levitz a
version of this question, so they know it from me. but c) Anyone I have
ever asked who didn't already know has gotten it wrong. It's
fantastically hard. Phenomenally hard. It's just completely out of
bounds. You might as well have asked them to solve a fourth order
differential equation or something.
>BII 55 PP 30
>
>10. When the new X-Men encountered Doctor Doom, Doom found himself somewhat
>attracted to Storm. Why was this odd?
>A: It was later revealed that it wasn't Doom at all but a Doombot. (DJG)
>
>Figured David wrote that one. :-) Hal buzzed in and got it for the BII.
But you didn't realize I had written the prior one? I'm hurt :)
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David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>
>>9. One of the so-called "Servants of Darkness" was defeated, not by a
>>Legionnaire, but by a Durlan. Which one?
>>A: The clone of Lydea Mallor. [Accept "Lydea Mallor".] (MAC)
>>
>>OK, this one got messy. I buzzed in at Legionnaire and answered "Yera, who
>>was disguised as Shrinking Violet". Wrong, -5 penalty. The problem was, when
>>Keith finished the question for the Pros, we all thought "Which one?"
>>refered to the Durlan, not the Servant. Which was confusing the heck out of
>>me, since I was sure it was Yera. And also spoiling our chance to see if
>>Paul remembers what he wrote better than Len or Marv. :-) Unfortunately,
>>Keith didn't know the answer beyond what was written down, so he couldn't
>>clarify for the Pros.
>
>Ouch. In retrospect the ambiguity is obvious, but it's the sort of thing
>that's hard to see when you're writing it and know what you mean. The
>obvious fix is to change "which one" to "which Servant"....
>
>Did you guess that that one was from Mike? A reworked version of his
>favorite Legion trivia question.
Well, I was kind of kidding when I sent it to you. My favorite one I sent
wasn't used.
>
>I remember in one of the early matches, there was a question of "who got
>knocked out in the Danger Room" and I buzzed in with "Kitty Pryde and
>Dani Moonstar". This caused Len to shriek, "Have you got a LIFE?"
>What I wish I'd said: "Hey -- you know the comics you grew up reading,
>I know the comics that *I* grew up reading!"
I'd have shouted "Yes, and I got it for him."
>
>>16. Bruce Wayne would have had to be out of his mind to issue arrest
>>warrants for the Super-Squad. And he was. Whose control was he acting under?
>>A: The Psycho-Pirate. (MAC)
>>
>>Mark got this one, despite Paul writing it. :-)
>
>I actually had no idea what this was referring to. Figures it would be
>one of PL's stories, for a question from Mike.
>
I resent that. The other unused questions were from Len Wein stories :)
It's from the 1970's run of ALl-Star Comics. Some fine comics in there.
Early Giffen art. Wally Wood stuff. Earth-2 street cred. Power Girl and
Huntress in their first appearances.
Frisco Del Rosario
(David Goldfarb) wrote:
> I forgot Metallo and then remembered him and then forgot him again.
One of the Fatal Five was Mano.
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Michael Alan Chary
Chemo
Kevin Lighton
>
> So, The List So Far:
>
> DG> Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
> DG> Evillo, Universo
>
> MR> Eclipso, Nippo, Metallo, Bizarro, Sinestro, Rhino, Mephisto,
> MR> Baron Mordo, Count Vertigo, Gizmo, Mano
>
> JP> Callisto, Mojo, Mysterio
>
Calypso (spider-Man foe)
Scorpio (Nick Fury's brother)
Armadillo
Doctor Psycho (Wonder Woman foe)
Mr. Banjo (Monster Society of Evil)
Mr. Who (Monster Society of Evil)
Nitro (caused the death of Captain Mar-Vell)
Tao (from WildC.A.T.s)
Bruto (strongman from the Circus of Crime)
Crimson Dynamo
Titano (Superman foe)
I think there was a Marvel character named Ultimo, but I'm not sure.
For the really obscure, there's Anarcho and El Diablo (both appeared in
one Fawcett comic after World War II and haven't been seen since) and
Baron Gestapo (foe of MLJ's Steel Sterling).
(I found most of this list looking through Mike Conroy's _500 Comic Book
Villains_.)
Ja, mata
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Arcadia_
David Goldfarb
Michael Alan Chary <mch...@panix.com> wrote:
>Red Tornado, and if we go by phonemes, TO Morrow.
>
>Chemo
Red Tornado wasn't a villain, and we're not going by phonemes.
Chemo goes on the list, though.
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gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | to build. Now, with a snap of history's fingers...
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | down it goes."
| -- Alan Moore, _V for Vendetta_
Michael Alan Chary
David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>In article <dbkdf0$7t1$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
>Michael Alan Chary <mch...@panix.com> wrote:
>>Red Tornado, and if we go by phonemes, TO Morrow.
>>
>>Chemo
>
>Red Tornado wasn't a villain, and we're not going by phonemes.
Hey, killing the JSA wasn't very nice.
ANd Quicksilver doesn't count, but how about Pietro?
>Chemo goes on the list, though.
Yay! I feel loved!
Theron
"Few bits"???!!!???!!! Although I remember a lot of v4 fondly, the bit
where Tenzil Kem
1) Makes Polar Boy wear a giant bald-head wig in order to argue that
Polar Boy is insane and now thinks he's "Braino, noblest man in the
universe";
2) Then, when that does't work, throws a bannana cream pie in Polar
Boy's face and cries out "See! He's a green lantern! He's powerless
against the color yellow!"[*]
is my absolute favorite moment in 15 years of reading comics.
[*] The final cherry on the joke is the editors footnote, which reads
"Note: Due to a necessary impurity, green lantern rings are powerless
against the color yellow -ed."
Michael S. Schiffer
news:1121891372.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Michael S. Schiffer wrote:
>...
>> Though Tenzil Kem's commentary on him and the Devil's Dozen
>> ("Devil's half-dozen, really-- they never got above four
>> members. Five if you count Sugyn twice") was one of the few
>> bits I remember fondly from v.4.
>
> "Few bits"???!!!???!!! Although I remember a lot of v4 fondly,
> the bit where Tenzil Kem
>
> 1) Makes Polar Boy wear a giant bald-head wig in order to argue
> that Polar Boy is insane and now thinks he's "Braino, noblest
> man in the universe";
That's "Braino of the planet Mrynah, the noblest being of all time"
thank you very much. :-) And yes, Tenzil's issues were among the
bright points of that incarnation (though I liked the first one
better than the second).
Kevin Lighton
> A cat leaping onto Mark J. Reed's computer produced this output:
>>
>> So, The List So Far:
>>
>> DG> Amazo, Despero, Starro, Kanjar Ro, Electro, Mesmero, Magneto, Computo,
>> DG> Evillo, Universo
>>
>> MR> Eclipso, Nippo, Metallo, Bizarro, Sinestro, Rhino, Mephisto,
>> MR> Baron Mordo, Count Vertigo, Gizmo, Mano
>>
>> JP> Callisto, Mojo, Mysterio
>>
> Mentallo (Fixer's former partner)
> Calypso (spider-Man foe)
> Scorpio (Nick Fury's brother)
And also two other Zodiac members, Leo and Virgo.
> Armadillo
> Doctor Psycho (Wonder Woman foe)
> Mr. Banjo (Monster Society of Evil)
> Mr. Who (Monster Society of Evil)
> Nitro (caused the death of Captain Mar-Vell)
> Tao (from WildC.A.T.s)
> Bruto (strongman from the Circus of Crime)
> Crimson Dynamo
> Titano (Superman foe)
>
> I think there was a Marvel character named Ultimo, but I'm not sure.
>
> For the really obscure, there's Anarcho and El Diablo (both appeared in
> one Fawcett comic after World War II and haven't been seen since) and
> Baron Gestapo (foe of MLJ's Steel Sterling).
>
> (I found most of this list looking through Mike Conroy's _500 Comic Book
> Villains_.)
>
Some additional ones, mostly found looking through the early-'90s OHOTMU:
Pyro
Quasimodo (computer created by the Mad Thinker)
Mercurio (a.k.a. the Fourth-Dimensional Man, a Thor and Quasar foe)
Kro (leader of the Deviants)
Helio (one of Maelstrom's Minions)
Kangaroo (Spider-Man foe)
Chemistro (Power Man and Iron Fist foe)
Vibro (Iron Man foe)
Nuklo (highly radioactive son of Whizzer and Miss America)
Somewhat iffier:
Inferno (demon that appeared in the original Ghost Rider series. I know
nothing else about him)
Prospero (illusionist enemy of Jack-in-the-Box from Astro City. Mentioned
in passing once, hasn't actually appeared)
Domino (Detective working for Scourge, not the New Mutants/X-Force one)
Crimson Commando (one of the three old superheroes who fought Storm and
Wolverine and later became part of Freedom Force)
Destructo (robot from Ninja High School. The second story he was in (and
the first he played a key role in) featured an X-Men homage team)
The Great Video (apparently a foe of the '50s Avengers, but I know less
about this character than about Inferno)
The Operative, Hannibal Tabu
If I can get my feet to forgive me and bring me to the next 'con, I
wanna be a fly on the wall.
-Hannibal Tabu
www.operative.net
www.cbr.cc
www.ugo.com/channels/comics/
The Operative, Hannibal Tabu
> Say, there's a category I should have put in this year's quiz: in 30
> seconds, give as many villain names as you can ending in "o".
You've made me a very happy man, and I don't even know why ...
David Goldfarb
The Operative, Hannibal Tabu <hannib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I was at SD -- how did I not know anything about this? Argh.
>
>If I can get my feet to forgive me and bring me to the next 'con, I
>wanna be a fly on the wall.
All of the matches so far have had audiences, sometimes fairly
large ones. You don't get to be a fly on the wall, but a butt
in a seat would be no problem.
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gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | "*hahahaha*. Don't change the subject."
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- _Zot!_ #3
Lee K. Seitz
>David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>>As promised, here are the questions from this year's contest. The theme
>>was super-villains again.
>And here's the match commentary. I did misremember the final score; 135-70
>BII.
Thank, David & Tom, for all the info on this year's challenge. I've
updated the web page
(http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/biivpp.shtml) and the Who's
Who page. I still need bios for several Black Ink Irregulars and
question writers. (I haven't had time to scour Google Groups for past
posts.) If you guys are lurking out there, feel free to submit a bio
for yourself!
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Bud Collyer, Kirk Alyn, George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, and . . .
Superman Peanut Butter? Five of the _Fifty Who Made DC Great_ (DC
Comics, 1985).
David Goldfarb
Lee K. Seitz <lks...@see.my.sig> wrote:
>In article <dbieus$iik$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
>Tom Galloway <t...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <dbi85h$mm1$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
>>David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>>>As promised, here are the questions from this year's contest. The theme
>>>was super-villains again.
>
>>And here's the match commentary. I did misremember the final score; 135-70
>>BII.
>
>Thank, David & Tom, for all the info on this year's challenge. I've
>updated the web page
>(http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/biivpp.shtml) and the Who's
>Who page. I still need bios for several Black Ink Irregulars and
>question writers. (I haven't had time to scour Google Groups for past
>posts.) If you guys are lurking out there, feel free to submit a bio
>for yourself!
I need to get around to composing and submitting something to you....
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gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | should be."
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- P. C. Hodgell, _Seeker's Mask_
Dale Hicks
> In article <dbieus$iik$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
>
> >9. One of the so-called "Servants of Darkness" was defeated, not by a
> >Legionnaire, but by a Durlan. Which one?
>
> was used. A) all the Usenet people have seen me go on about it, so in
> theory they know the answer. B) I've personally asked Waid and Levitz a
> version of this question, so they know it from me. but c) Anyone I have
> ever asked who didn't already know has gotten it wrong.
I'm surprised it wouldn't be a 50/50 thing, as I seem to remember that
the second Superman clone, the Kalibak clone, and the Orion clone
surviving on into the last of the series. That only leaves Mallor and
the Oan, right?
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In defense of my theory, however, nobody got it right this time either.
Carl Fink
> In article <3kif1bF...@individual.net>,
> Dale Hicks <dgh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>In article <dbkcop$t42$1...@reader2.panix.com>, mch...@panix.com says...
>>> In article <dbieus$iik$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
>>>
>>> >9. One of the so-called "Servants of Darkness" was defeated, not by a
>>> >Legionnaire, but by a Durlan. Which one?
>>>
>>> Actually, I don't think this was a fair question, and I'm surprised it
>>> was used. A) all the Usenet people have seen me go on about it, so in
>>> theory they know the answer. B) I've personally asked Waid and Levitz a
>>> version of this question, so they know it from me. but c) Anyone I have
>>> ever asked who didn't already know has gotten it wrong.
>>
>>I'm surprised it wouldn't be a 50/50 thing, as I seem to remember that
>>the second Superman clone, the Kalibak clone, and the Orion clone
>>surviving on into the last of the series. That only leaves Mallor and
>>the Oan, right?
>>
>
> In defense of my theory, however, nobody got it right this time either.
Well, at the time it LOOKED as if a Legionaire defeated her, after all.