X-Men religious affiliations
Chris Dodson
current X-Men for a story I'm submitting to Marvel. The only one I
know for sure is Nightcrawler (Catholic). I get the impression that
Wolverine is an atheist or agnostic, but I have no in-comic evidence
to support this. Any help you guys could give me would be greatly
appreciated. Also, in your responses, could you provide titles and
issue numbers of the comics in which the information is stated?
Thanks.
Tom Warren
a bit about this in there. And Wolvie is atheist probably, or some pagan
type.
Tom
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supposed to be Protestant...those are the only ones I can think of off the top
of my head.
Joey
Mike Kantor
Storm believes in the "Bright Lady", not sure was that is...
I think Thor is obvious, but he isn't part of the X-Men
LoL! Religion is such a sack of crap.
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Nichol
vampires. She fended them off using her Star of David, but Wolverine
made a cross with his claws and had vampires all over him. The point
was that a wearer's faith in a religious artifact protected them, not
the artifact itself. Wolverine had no faith in the cross, so therefore
it did nothing. That seems to be a clear hint that he's atheist,
agnostic, or something else besides Christian.
.:Nichol:.
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Nightcrawler - Catholic
Shadowcat - Jewish
Magma - Worshipped the Roman pantheon when she thought she was a Nova Romani
Wolfsbane - A rather strict form of Protestant, not Wee Free, but heading that way.
Storm - Some sort of female nature divinity
Cannonball - Baptist
Colossus - As a good member of the USSR, probably agnostic.
Rogue and Wolverine - Both were shown praying in the X-Men cartoon, but in a fairly
non-demoninational way. It was in a Christian church.
mi me conmigo@hotmail.com Kenneth
I can onlu think of one reference, but there're plenty:
X-Men 108: Rogue says something like "Since you're the catholic in this
group, why don't you take care of the prayers?" and Rahne replies "I've been
doing so since we took off"
The dialogue is translated from my book, which is in spanish, so maybe those
were not the exact words, but it's there.
Kitty Pride is, of course, Jewish. Nightcrawler is a catholic. And...
well I cannot think of anyone more.
Oh! Storm belongs to a minorist cult of some sort, probably from Africa.
(Someone called Light Lady? sometimes the translations are quite vague).
Danielle Moonstar should belong to an animist american belief, and so does
Proudstar.
And maybe you should review the marriage of Cyclops & Phoenix, and look at
the priest marrying them... I just don't know where that one is.
Cable is Askani, and should not count as standard religion (I don't really
think that there are Askanians among us ;-))
And I guess that Magneto was a Jew, but I'm not so sure about that.
I can only recall Storm being abducted by "the Godess" in the "Infinity
Crusade", but maybe there were more X-men there, and that would mean they
had a religious feeling at all.
That's it. Again, sorry about mu poor English.
Jaime Įlvarez
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mi me conmigo@hotmail.com Kenneth
so I guess it's been a misunderstanding in the spanish translations.
If she's protestant, and you're sure, with references, please post it, and I
will re-route it to the translator here in Spain. Sorry if my post was
inaccurate.
Jaime
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Brian Doyle
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> Well, you guys seem to be pretty sure about Rahne Sinclair being Protestant,
> so I guess it's been a misunderstanding in the spanish translations.
>
> If she's protestant, and you're sure, with references, please post it, and I
> will re-route it to the translator here in Spain. Sorry if my post was
> inaccurate.
She makes references to the "Reverend Craig" being her guardian. The Catholic church
does not refer to a priest as Reverend, the Protestant church does.
She has also referred to Craig as being a "Minister", which, again, a Protestant
term, not Catholic.
See the issue of Excalibur that Warren Ellis wrote where Rhane confronts Craig.
Justin Samuels
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> > I'm looking for information on the religious beliefs of all the
> > current X-Men for a story I'm submitting to Marvel. The only one I
> > know for sure is Nightcrawler (Catholic). I get the impression that
> > Wolverine is an atheist or agnostic, but I have no in-comic evidence
> > to support this. Any help you guys could give me would be greatly
> > appreciated. Also, in your responses, could you provide titles and
> > issue numbers of the comics in which the information is stated?
>
> Nightcrawler - Catholic
> Shadowcat - Jewish
> Magma - Worshipped the Roman pantheon when she thought she was a Nova
Romani
> Wolfsbane - A rather strict form of Protestant, not Wee Free, but heading
that way.
> Storm - Some sort of female nature divinity
Which is stupid, no such religion exist in Africa. And while you do have
animist religions in Africa, the largest religion is Islam. Number 2 would
be Christianity. Number 3 would be various animist religions, grouped
together.
> Cannonball - Baptist
> Colossus - As a good member of the USSR, probably agnostic.
The USSR fell long after Colossus's death ,and it never wiped out all
religion. In AOA Colossus was refered to as Russian Orthodox Christian.
> Rogue and Wolverine - Both were shown praying in the X-Men cartoon, but in
a fairly
> non-demoninational way. It was in a Christian church.
Sunspot is Catholic.
Iceman is probably Protestant.
>
>
Brian Doyle
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> > Storm - Some sort of female nature divinity
>
> Which is stupid, no such religion exist in Africa. And while you do have
> animist religions in Africa, the largest religion is Islam. Number 2 would
> be Christianity. Number 3 would be various animist religions, grouped
> together.
Storm is only half African, her father was American, and as someone who was, for some
considerable time, worshipped as a deity herself, I'm prepared to believe her
religious views are not the norm. BAsically I'd say she's a Gaia-ist. She reveres
nature in all it's forms and perceives it as embodied in a female presence akin to
the Western view of "Mother Nature".
> > Cannonball - Baptist
> > Colossus - As a good member of the USSR, probably agnostic.
>
> The USSR fell long after Colossus's death ,
Ummm... Huh? Colossus died last year. The UUSR fell long BEFORE his death, but was
still active when he was recruited (I know, shifting the timeline to play catchup
with real events now makes that unlikely, but we play the hand we're dealt)
> and it never wiped out all religion.
No, but Piotr was shown as being a good communist working down on the collective,
and, in order to remain a good communist, would probably not have been raised with
much of a religious background.
Certainly he was never (in any title I read) heard to utter an oath involving a
deity, which most others would or did. "By the White Wolf" is a cultural reference I
never did work out, but I'm guessing it's not religious.
>In AOA Colossus was refered to as Russian Orthodox Christian.
AoA can hardly be viewed as being the mainstream.
> Sunspot is Catholic.
Forgot about him!
Dan
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Storm worships some nameless goddess. Cannonball is a Christian denomination.
Shadowcat is Jewish. Not sure about the rest. Most writers take it for
granted that a) characters believe in a god and b) that they're
Judeo-Christian.
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Dani Moonstar worships the Great Spirit, though I'm not sure how that conflicts
with being an Asgardian goddess.
BlakGard
True enough, although just because Craig was a Protestant does not mean
Rahne is. I believe she was shown praying at a Catholic church in one of the
early New Mutants issues.
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I thought about it yesterday as I posted. I really think Moonstar did not
truely worship the Asgard Pantheon. She was turned into a valkyrie, but she
didn't actually worship Odin. Gee, it's difficult to describe her believes,
because normally people belong to a religion for a matter of faith, which is
unnecesary when you know for sure that Supreme Being is indeed real. Well,
I don't know...
The Question
Forge follows some form of shamanistic tradition I believe.
I don't think there's any definite statement about Gateway, but it could be
easily assumed he essentially believes in the Dreamtime (if you care to
make broad generalisations based on faith and race, which we know Marvel
would never do).
Sabra would be Jewish
I don't think there are any followers of Buddist, Islamic or Shinto
traditions
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hindu, wasn't he?
And my guess is that "Skin" (Angelo Espinosa) is a catholic too, but that is
just a guess.
Patrick McClue
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> Chris Dodson wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for information on the religious beliefs of all the
> > current X-Men for a story I'm submitting to Marvel. The only one I
> > know for sure is Nightcrawler (Catholic). I get the impression that
> > Wolverine is an atheist or agnostic, but I have no in-comic evidence
> > to support this. Any help you guys could give me would be greatly
> > appreciated. Also, in your responses, could you provide titles and
> > issue numbers of the comics in which the information is stated?
> > Thanks.
>
> Forge follows some form of shamanistic tradition I believe.
>
> I don't think there's any definite statement about Gateway, but it could
be
> easily assumed he essentially believes in the Dreamtime (if you care to
> make broad generalisations based on faith and race, which we know Marvel
> would never do).
>
follow that path.
> Sabra would be Jewish
>
Sabra was an X-Man?
> I don't think there are any followers of Buddist, Islamic or Shinto
> traditions
>
Sunfire might be Buddist/Shintoist and M might be Muslim.
Patrick
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New Mutants #12, page 11:
{Caption} Nearby, Rahne Sinclair steps hesitantly - almost fearfully - into
a church...
{Rahne's thought bubbles} "If Reverend Craig saw me now, he'd have a fit.
To him, Catholics are agents of the devil. But we all believe in God, an'
read the same bible - an' I can find no Scots Presbyterian cairk in the
city - an' I so need to pray. Surely, the Lord won't mind which house I
pray in, so long as it's to him."
Jim Longo
> I'm looking for information on the religious beliefs of all the
> current X-Men for a story I'm submitting to Marvel. The only one I
> know for sure is Nightcrawler (Catholic). I get the impression that
> Wolverine is an atheist or agnostic, but I have no in-comic evidence
> to support this.
When the X-Men were kidnapped by the Brood, Wolverine came upon
Nightcrawler praying. During the resultant conversation, Wolvie
asserted that tried religion once, that it was a mistake, and that he
now believes only in what his senses tell him.
Any help you guys could give me would be greatly
> appreciated. Also, in your responses, could you provide titles and
> issue numbers of the comics in which the information is stated?
> Thanks.
As has been stated, Kitty Pryde is Jewish, and there's an ongoing
debate about whether Magneto was, but he has stated that as a boy, he
"turned his back on God forever."
Karma, I think, was a converted Catholic.
j.
Jim Longo
> current X-Men for a story I'm submitting to Marvel. The only one I
> know for sure is Nightcrawler (Catholic). I get the impression that
> Wolverine is an atheist or agnostic, but I have no in-comic evidence
> to support this.
When the X-Men were kidnapped by the Brood, Wolverine came upon
Nightcrawler praying. During the resultant conversation, Wolvie
asserted that tried religion once, that it was a mistake, and that he
now believes only in what his senses tell him.
Any help you guys could give me would be greatly
> appreciated. Also, in your responses, could you provide titles and
> issue numbers of the comics in which the information is stated?
> Thanks.
As has been stated, Kitty Pryde is Jewish, and there's an ongoing
Consul de Designers
> > I don't think there are any followers of Buddist, Islamic or Shinto traditions
> Sunfire might be Buddist/Shintoist and M might be Muslim.
Morocco's highest represented religion is Islam.
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Dan
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>True enough, although just because Craig was a Protestant does not mean
>Rahne is. I believe she was shown praying at a Catholic church in one of the
>early New Mutants issues.
Probably just because it was available. Since Craig raised Rahne from birth it
seems unlikely that she has a different religion.
mi me conmigo@hotmail.com Kenneth
Could anybody post the exact words Rogue says to Rahne in X-Men #108
(Jan/2001), page 5, asking her to pray?
The missundestood came up because in the spanish translation, she says
something like "Since you're the catholic in this group..." and I'd like to
know if it's a translation mistake, or it was just like that in the
original.
I know... you probably don't care about that, after all, you read your
comic-books in english, but some of us don't have that chance, and have to
put up with poor translations. I just want to know who is to blame ;-)
Thanks for your patience.
Jaime
Dan
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>I thought about it yesterday as I posted. I really think Moonstar did not
>truely worship the Asgard Pantheon. She was turned into a valkyrie, but she
>didn't actually worship Odin.
No, I wasn't implying she did. I simply said she was one of them. I would
think it would be a conflict to _be_ a god when you felt the one you worshipped
was the only "real" one.
Gee, it's difficult to describe her believes,
>because normally people belong to a religion for a matter of faith, which is
>unnecesary when you know for sure that Supreme Being is indeed real. Well,
>I don't know...
Dani doesn't know any supreme being is real. She knows gods exist and none
shown are supreme.
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being/God.
Brian Doyle
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> New Mutants #12, page 11:
>
> {Caption} Nearby, Rahne Sinclair steps hesitantly - almost fearfully - into a
church...
> {Rahne's thought bubbles} "If Reverend Craig saw me now, he'd have a fit.
> To him, Catholics are agents of the devil. But we all believe in God, an'
> read the same bible - an' I can find no Scots Presbyterian cairk in the
> city - an' I so need to pray. Surely, the Lord won't mind which house I
> pray in, so long as it's to him."
Aha, so she IS Presbyterian. Thanks!
Brian Doyle
> I thought about it yesterday as I posted. I really think Moonstar did not
> truely worship the Asgard Pantheon. She was turned into a valkyrie, but she
> didn't actually worship Odin. Gee, it's difficult to describe her believes,
> because normally people belong to a religion for a matter of faith, which is
> unnecesary when you know for sure that Supreme Being is indeed real. Well,
> I don't know...
There was an interesting issue where Magma and Empath discuss faith, Magma has MET
Hercules so knows her Pantheon to be real, whereas Empath, a Catholic (in name if not
in deed) has never met his deity, so they ponder which is the stronger faith....
Justin Samuels
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> > > Storm - Some sort of female nature divinity
> >
> > Which is stupid, no such religion exist in Africa. And while you do have
> > animist religions in Africa, the largest religion is Islam. Number 2
would
> > be Christianity. Number 3 would be various animist religions, grouped
> > together.
>
> Storm is only half African, her father was American, and as someone who
was, for some
> considerable time, worshipped as a deity herself, I'm prepared to believe
her
> religious views are not the norm. BAsically I'd say she's a Gaia-ist. She
reveres
> nature in all it's forms and perceives it as embodied in a female presence
akin to
Storm was raised in Egypt, moved southward through the Sudan, and spent time
in Kenya. The Egypt and the Sudan are Muslim, with Christianian minorities.
Kenya is more Christian, but with a substantial Muslim population. African
Americans are Christian mostly.
So her father could have no influence on Storm's decision to worship this
nameless Goddess. Actually, the cartoons and the movies have made no
mention of this "Goddess' and I notice lately in X-Treme X-Men neither has
Storm. So I would say have dropped that religion from her.
>
> > > Cannonball - Baptist
> > > Colossus - As a good member of the USSR, probably agnostic.
> >
> > The USSR fell long after Colossus's death ,
>
> Ummm... Huh? Colossus died last year. The UUSR fell long BEFORE his death,
but was
> still active when he was recruited (I know, shifting the timeline to play
catchup
> with real events now makes that unlikely, but we play the hand we're
dealt)
I meant the USSR fell long before Colossus's death.
>
> > and it never wiped out all religion.
>
> No, but Piotr was shown as being a good communist working down on the
collective,
> and, in order to remain a good communist, would probably not have been
raised with
> much of a religious background.
The Russian Orthodox church remained fairly strong under communism ane came
back with a vengegance after the fall.
>
> Certainly he was never (in any title I read) heard to utter an oath
involving a
> deity, which most others would or did. "By the White Wolf" is a cultural
reference I
> never did work out, but I'm guessing it's not religious.
>
> >In AOA Colossus was refered to as Russian Orthodox Christian.
>
> AoA can hardly be viewed as being the mainstream.
No, but it meant the writers keeping up with the times. After the collapse
of the Soviet Union, people in the former Soviet Union found their old
religions ,Christianity, Islam,and Judaism.
>
> > Sunspot is Catholic.
>
> Forgot about him!
Why?
>
>
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> Patrick McClue wrote:
> > > I don't think there are any followers of Buddist, Islamic or Shinto
traditions
> > Sunfire might be Buddist/Shintoist and M might be Muslim.
>
> Morocco's highest represented religion is Islam.
M is Algerian not Moroccan, but still, all North Africa is predominately
Muslim. So most likely she is Muslim.
Justin Samuels
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> >From: chris...@yahoo.com (Chris Dodson)
> >Date: 6/2/02 12:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <1134e555.02060...@posting.google.com>
> >
> >I'm looking for information on the religious beliefs of all the
> >current X-Men for a story I'm submitting to Marvel. The only one I
> >know for sure is Nightcrawler (Catholic). I get the impression that
> >Wolverine is an atheist or agnostic, but I have no in-comic evidence
> >to support this. Any help you guys could give me would be greatly
> >appreciated. Also, in your responses, could you provide titles and
> >issue numbers of the comics in which the information is stated?
>
> Storm worships some nameless goddess.
Not any more, they've dropped all references about this ot her character .
Read XX lately.
Cannonball is a Christian denomination.
> Shadowcat is Jewish. Not sure about the rest. Most writers take it for
> granted that a) characters believe in a god and b) that they're
> Judeo-Christian.
Their are major thematic differences between Judaism and Christianity, so I
would not say assume one is Judeo-Christian.
Christian Henriksson
con...@hotmail.com> sayeth thus:
>Thanks... that should clear it all. Now... I'd like to know something...
>Could anybody post the exact words Rogue says to Rahne in X-Men #108
>(Jan/2001), page 5, asking her to pray?
>
>The missundestood came up because in the spanish translation, she says
>something like "Since you're the catholic in this group..." and I'd like to
>know if it's a translation mistake, or it was just like that in the
>original.
>
>I know... you probably don't care about that, after all, you read your
>comic-books in english, but some of us don't have that chance, and have to
>put up with poor translations. I just want to know who is to blame ;-)
What Rogue says in English is: "Bein' our resident church-girl, why
don't you handle prayers?"
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>> I don't think there are any followers of Buddist, Islamic or Shinto
>> traditions
>Sunfire might be Buddist/Shintoist and M might be Muslim.
Mariko uttered "Amaterasu preserve us!" in her very first appearance -
she must have been shinto.
Adam T. Reid
I don't think there are any followers of Buddist, Islamic or Shinto
traditions
>>
Unless you count, of course the Japanese characters (Sunfire Sunpyre, Silver
Samurai, Matsu'o, Revanche, Mariko, etc.) that pop up every once and awhile.
Japanese generally practice Buddhist or Shinto beliefs, sometimes both.
I can only say for certain that the Yoshidas practiced Shinto traditions,
notably at M'iko and Logan's aborted wedding back in the UXM # 170's.
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