X-Men Forever...How has this garbage not been cancelled yet? (Spoilers!!!)
grinningdemon
it can get, Claremont finds a way to lower the bar.
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This whole series, so far, takes place over about 2-3 weeks
tops...and, in that time, Jean has gone from being in love with
Cyclops, to being in love with Wolverine, to hooking up with Beast
(who has apparently always had a thing for her that we never knew
about but Jean knew all along) before Wolvie's body is even cold...she
certainly seems to have absolutely zero regard for Scott at this point
as she not only dumped his ass for a dead guy but immediately jumped
one of his best friends (who doesn't seem to mind either)...and the
scene strikes me as particularly funny since it is quite similar to a
scene between Jean and Nightcrawler in X-Men: The End that followed
another make-out session...the basic idea being that the only thing
keeping Jean from doing this all along was that she was already
taken...so I'm wondering when it was exactly that Claremont decided
Scott was the only thing keeping Jean from being a total slut? I'm
assuming she's just gonnna make the rounds with all the male
characters now.
And, speaking of bizarre and uncharacteristic hook-ups that come
completely out of nowhere, Colossus and Black Widow? Really? Well, I
guess they're both Russian so it had to happen.
Oh, and, a while back, I posted that Claremont was now retconning
things from before he left as Scott's son was not in the future...and
many around here chimed in that there must be a forthcoming
explanation for this...well, don't hold your breath waiting because I
read an interview with Claremont on comicbookresources.com where he
basically said that he never liked the idea of baby Nate being sent
into the future so he dropped it (I supposed the same thing happened
to Beast's reporter girlfriend from that period)...no explanation
needed...and, when asked for an explanation as to how Nate had
seemingly aged several years, he basically dismissed it as standard
comic book procedure.
Here's hoping X-Factor Forever will actually be worth reading...or at
least that it won't piss me off like this bullshit does.
Scott Eiler
> Everytime I think the characterization in this book has sunk as low as
> it can get, Claremont finds a way to lower the bar.
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> completely out of nowhere, Colossus and Black Widow? Really? Well, I
> guess they're both Russian so it had to happen.
The all-time champion bizarre match still has to be Ororo and
T'Challa. They're both African, after all. Now, who first thought of
that one...? Oh, yeah, Claremont again.
grinningdemon
That one has actually kind of grown on me...it definitely is pretty
heavy handed having those two get together but they actually seem to
fit pretty well...certainly better than Colossus and Black Widow.
I think the worst of these was when Aunt May and Jarvis got
together...of course, he turned out to be a skrull and she doesn't
remember any of it anyway thanks to a certain deal with the
devil...ah, great writing all around...and Claremont didn't even have
anything to do with that one.
Scott Eiler
wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:50:52 -0800 (PST), Scott Eiler
> <sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
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> >The all-time champion bizarre match still has to be Ororo and
> >T'Challa. They're both African, after all. Now, who first thought of
> >that one...? Oh, yeah, Claremont again.
>
> That one has actually kind of grown on me...it definitely is pretty
> heavy handed having those two get together but they actually seem to
> fit pretty well...
Yeah. I dropped the Black Panther series while the couple was
courting, but I picked it back up when they married.
> I think the worst of these was when Aunt May and Jarvis got
> together...of course, he turned out to be a skrull and she doesn't
> remember any of it anyway thanks to a certain deal with the
> devil...ah, great writing all around...and Claremont didn't even have
> anything to do with that one.
Aunt May and Jarvis weren't a couple, they were contestants on a bad
reality TV show called "Share an Apartment with Wolverine!" Or they
might as well have been.
grinningdemon
<sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
>On Dec 24, 12:21 pm, grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com>
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:50:52 -0800 (PST), Scott Eiler
>> <sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The all-time champion bizarre match still has to be Ororo and
>> >T'Challa. They're both African, after all. Now, who first thought of
>> >that one...? Oh, yeah, Claremont again.
>>
>> That one has actually kind of grown on me...it definitely is pretty
>> heavy handed having those two get together but they actually seem to
>> fit pretty well...
>
>Yeah. I dropped the Black Panther series while the couple was
>courting, but I picked it back up when they married.
It would have worked so much better if they hadn't retconned so much
history between them and just had them get together in the present.
>> I think the worst of these was when Aunt May and Jarvis got
>> together...of course, he turned out to be a skrull and she doesn't
>> remember any of it anyway thanks to a certain deal with the
>> devil...ah, great writing all around...and Claremont didn't even have
>> anything to do with that one.
>
>Aunt May and Jarvis weren't a couple, they were contestants on a bad
>reality TV show called "Share an Apartment with Wolverine!" Or they
>might as well have been.
Seems like nearly the whole Marvel Universe is a contestant on that
show these days.
Billy Bissette
news:7f4bj5hho7l6qee0u...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:58:13 -0800 (PST), Scott Eiler
> <sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
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>>On Dec 24, 12:21 pm, grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:50:52 -0800 (PST), Scott Eiler
>>> <sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >The all-time champion bizarre match still has to be Ororo and
>>> >T'Challa. They're both African, after all. Now, who first thought of
>>> >that one...? Oh, yeah, Claremont again.
>>>
>>> That one has actually kind of grown on me...it definitely is pretty
>>> heavy handed having those two get together but they actually seem to
>>> fit pretty well...
>>
>>Yeah. I dropped the Black Panther series while the couple was
>>courting, but I picked it back up when they married.
>
> It would have worked so much better if they hadn't retconned so much
> history between them and just had them get together in the present.
Priest's version would have worked so much better, but Marvel didn't
see an advantage to the pairing when Priest was on the book.
Priest's version did just put them together in the present. It
didn't even bother with them being attracted to each other (though
Marvel could have had feelings develop after T'Challa managed to get
a bit more sane.)
YKW (ad hoc)
news:evb7j5p80svsp8oui...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:50:52 -0800 (PST), Scott Eiler
><sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
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>>On Dec 23, 7:56 pm, grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Everytime I think the characterization in this book has sunk as low
>>> as it can get, Claremont finds a way to lower the bar.
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>>> And, speaking of bizarre and uncharacteristic hook-ups that come
>>> completely out of nowhere, Colossus and Black Widow? Really? Well,
>>> I guess they're both Russian so it had to happen.
>>
>>The all-time champion bizarre match still has to be Ororo and
>>T'Challa. They're both African, after all. Now, who first thought of
>>that one...? Oh, yeah, Claremont again.
>
> That one has actually kind of grown on me...it definitely is pretty
> heavy handed having those two get together but they actually seem to
> fit pretty well...certainly better than Colossus and Black Widow.
The Ororo/T'Challa match had the advantage of having been telegraphed
decades before, in the same book that first introduced Karma.
As for Natasha, though... really, was there any doubt she'd take up with
whatever big, strong, none-too-bright super-type she happened to work
with regularly? Isn't that pretty much her defining characteristic?
> I think the worst of these was when Aunt May and Jarvis got
> together...of course, he turned out to be a skrull and she doesn't
> remember any of it anyway thanks to a certain deal with the
> devil...ah, great writing all around...and Claremont didn't even have
> anything to do with that one.
>
You don't know that she doesn't remember... mwahahahaha...
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grinningdemon
Oh, I know this one didn't come completely out of nowhere...but they
never made anywhere near as big a deal out of it as they did leading
up the wedding...suddenly it was true love and neither of them had
ever gotten over each other.
>As for Natasha, though... really, was there any doubt she'd take up with
>whatever big, strong, none-too-bright super-type she happened to work
>with regularly? Isn't that pretty much her defining characteristic?
Perhaps so (though that character treatment has always bugged the hell
out of me)...but that match still seems pretty strange to me.
>> I think the worst of these was when Aunt May and Jarvis got
>> together...of course, he turned out to be a skrull and she doesn't
>> remember any of it anyway thanks to a certain deal with the
>> devil...ah, great writing all around...and Claremont didn't even have
>> anything to do with that one.
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>You don't know that she doesn't remember... mwahahahaha...
I wish I didn't remember.