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So this Madrox is from Messiah War? Remind me when this dupe got sent into the future? I should remember, I used to remember these details, but I feel like PAD does, I must be nearing 200.
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grinningdemon
It was Messiah Complex actually...Cyclops sent one of Madrox's dupes
into the future to see how things turn out for mutants and Layla
Miller tagged along...they both got stuck in a mutant internment camp
and the dupe seemingly died at the end...but apparently not.
BigRiggBlues
Weren't there two alternate futures that two different dupes were sent
to in Messiah Complex? I'd have to reread it, but I thought that the
dupe that Layla hitched a ride with to the future was the second dupe.
If that's the case, then couldn't this guy be the dupe from the other
future?
grinningdemon
I don't remember anything about a second future but everything that
the dupe is doing in the present ties in to what's going on in the
future with Layla and Madrox...so it must have been sent to the same
future.
Am I the only one who thinks the X-books have way too many alternate
futures? Hell, there have probably been a dozen variations on Days of
Future Past alone.
mimf
No you're not the only one who thinks that.
So many alternate futures, and they're all rotten.
grinningdemon
Right...you would think they would have stumbled on at least one
alternate future that wasn't all doom and gloom by now.
Billy Bissette
news:1te2e515trl31dove...@4ax.com:
I kind of want to see them stumble across a happy and near perfect
future that just happens to have no mutants. And it has no dark
secrets. No extermination camps. Nothing evil about it. Just
something (not humans) took out the mutants and the world became
better for it. Maybe just one or two old mutants still around who
can verify that humans didn't wipe them out or anything.
And then the X-Men keep stumbling upon this future, but every
time they do something positive in the present, it ripples through
time to make this happy future a bit worse.
Might be interesting to be done seriously (again, with no dark
secrets popping up to show that it was a really bad future from
the start). The X-Men have always been fighting for a better
world with mutants, but what about when they were faced with a
legitimately better world without mutants, and their actions to
help mutants were destroying this world.
grinningdemon
<bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in
>news:1te2e515trl31dove...@4ax.com:
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:42:37 -0400, mimf <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>grinningdemon wrote:
>
>>>> Am I the only one who thinks the X-books have way too many alternate
>>>> futures? Hell, there have probably been a dozen variations on Days
>>>> of Future Past alone.
>>>
>>>No you're not the only one who thinks that.
>>>So many alternate futures, and they're all rotten.
>>
>> Right...you would think they would have stumbled on at least one
>> alternate future that wasn't all doom and gloom by now.
>
> I kind of want to see them stumble across a happy and near perfect
>future that just happens to have no mutants. And it has no dark
>secrets. No extermination camps. Nothing evil about it. Just
>something (not humans) took out the mutants and the world became
>better for it. Maybe just one or two old mutants still around who
>can verify that humans didn't wipe them out or anything.
What would the X-Men do in such a story? Hold hands and skip through
a flowery meadow?
> And then the X-Men keep stumbling upon this future, but every
>time they do something positive in the present, it ripples through
>time to make this happy future a bit worse.
Not a bad idea but, personally, I think I'd prefer a moratorium on
time travel in the x-books for a while.
That said (and this really has nothing to do with visiting alternate
futures burt is keeping with the time travel theme), I kind of always
wanted to see an X-Men story along the lines of Avengers Forever with
a team of X-Men chosen from different points in their history brought
together for some great mission or something.
> Might be interesting to be done seriously (again, with no dark
>secrets popping up to show that it was a really bad future from
>the start). The X-Men have always been fighting for a better
>world with mutants, but what about when they were faced with a
>legitimately better world without mutants, and their actions to
>help mutants were destroying this world.
I don't know...the X-Men have always been a little self-centered
(especially these days)...they are always more interested in their own
mutant drama than in the fate of the rest of the world so I'm not sure
the dilemma from your story would come across so well.
One of the things I really liked about the beginning of Whedon's
Astonishing X-Men is that he was setting up the X-Men to be more like
super heroes (something that doesn't happen often
anymore)...unfortunately, Whedon quickly dropped that bit and they
went back to dealing with mutant drama (i.e. mutant destroying
Breakworld)...it's too bad because it could have been a nice change of
pace.
~consul
>> time they do something positive in the present, it ripples through
>> time to make this happy future a bit worse.
> Not a bad idea but, personally, I think I'd prefer a moratorium on
> time travel in the x-books for a while.
> That said (and this really has nothing to do with visiting alternate
> futures burt is keeping with the time travel theme), I kind of always
> wanted to see an X-Men story along the lines of Avengers Forever with
> a team of X-Men chosen from different points in their history brought
> together for some great mission or something.
What, like Exiles? :D
And waaay back, wasn't there another X-Men Forever, not by Claremont ... or maybe he did do it, but it was their version of Avengers Forever? Was it written by FabNic, I think?
grinningdemon
<con...@dolphinsTAKEAWAY-cove.com> wrote:
>and thus grinningdemon inscribed ...
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:22:29 -0500, Billy Bissette
>>> And then the X-Men keep stumbling upon this future, but every
>>> time they do something positive in the present, it ripples through
>>> time to make this happy future a bit worse.
>> Not a bad idea but, personally, I think I'd prefer a moratorium on
>> time travel in the x-books for a while.
>> That said (and this really has nothing to do with visiting alternate
>> futures burt is keeping with the time travel theme), I kind of always
>> wanted to see an X-Men story along the lines of Avengers Forever with
>> a team of X-Men chosen from different points in their history brought
>> together for some great mission or something.
>
>What, like Exiles? :D
Like Exiles but only with with characters from the mainstream
X-Men...so no off the wall stuff like female versions of male
characters (or vice versa), amalgamated characters, or evil versions
of familar heroes (or heroic versions of villains)...you know what I
mean.
It could be a fun way to spotlight different periods in X-Men history
and showcase how much certain characters have changed...for instance,
I think it would be interesting to take present day Cyclops (all dark,
driven, and morally questionable) and stick him on a team with Jean
from the original X-Men days (before Phoenix and all the other
drama)...maybe take Rogue from the late 80s/early 90s (I miss Rogue
with Ms. Marvel powers)...and, since I'm sure such a series would
never happen without some version of Wolverine, I'd take him from
right around Wolverine #100 when he went all feral for a while (it's
the only time the character has ever changed significantly and they
never explored it much before changing him back)...I also think it
would be a good idea to include two versions of the same character
that are dramatically different (as they did with the two Hank Pyms in
Avengers Forever)...my first thoughts were the British and Asian
Psylockes but that's a lot of telepaths on one team
(suggestions?)...maybe toss in Scarlet Witch from before she went
crazy (I know she was never really an X-Man but she's close enough and
it would be interesting to see her interact with the others since some
of them would know what she would later do)...a future character could
make an interesting addition (either an entirely new one or maybe
someone like Ruby Summers...although I don't want the book to focus
too much on the Summers family as so many past X-Men events
have)...and a few more to fill out the line-up.
Basically, I really liked the dynamic of the timelost Avengers line-up
from Avengers Forever...and the X-Men certainly have enough characters
and history to do something like that...hell, it would be great if
they reunited the Avengers Forever creative team to do it...a
Busiek/Pacheco project can't go wrong.
>And waaay back, wasn't there another X-Men Forever, not by Claremont ... or maybe he did do it, but it was their version of Avengers Forever? Was it written by FabNic, I think?
There was another X-Men Forever series back around the time of
Avengers Forever (Kevin Maguire was the artist but I don't remember
the writer)...but it didn't involve time travel...it was just a
temporary team comprised of some X-Men with some x-villains thrown
into the mix (Jean, Mystique, Iceman, Toad...and I don't remember the
others)...really not that different from what we normally get from the
X-Men since they are constantly recruiting their own villains (who
often turn on them...only to rejoin the team later and repeat the
process).
BigRiggBlues
Just an update. Per #50, it actually was the second dupe from Messiah
Complex. Still, I'm not sure exactly why happened to him and why he went
rogue. He was sent to a different alternate future than the one Layla
was in, so why would he choose to appear there? Maybe I missed it and
will pick it up on reread, but if not... mystery abounds!