Genetic ramifications of Magneto changing gender
Andyg3129
Hi there.
This thread is opening nominations for thread
most likely to entice Alara into replying :-)
I thought it would be a good topic to discuss
because there aren't enough threads about
genetics, gender change, or Magneto on this
newsgroup.
So who can come up with the most sensible
explanation as to why Magneto would change
sex. And you lose marks if it involves shagging
Gambit.
Andy, I miss Magneto.
Aleph Press
Andyg3129 (andy...@aol.com) wrote:
: Hi there.
: This thread is opening nominations for thread
: most likely to entice Alara into replying :-)
You win!
: I thought it would be a good topic to discuss
: because there aren't enough threads about
: genetics, gender change, or Magneto on this
: newsgroup.
: So who can come up with the most sensible
: explanation as to why Magneto would change
: sex. And you lose marks if it involves shagging
: Gambit.
Most sensible? There *is* no sensible reason for Magneto to change sex.
However, if you gotta press the point... :-) I have been working on a
fanfic for some months now (it's going slow, and I don't want to release
it until I've at least got to the point where the X-Men come into the
story) where a woman with body-stealing powers steals Magneto's. Leaving
him stuck in her body, which, since her powers go with her mind and his
powers go with his body, leaves him effectively powerless. He is *not*
happy, and ends up having to join forces with the X-Men to get his
original body back (the story takes place after XM #3, but before Fatal
Attractions, so joining forces with the X-Men is not his favorite thing
to do at the moment).
Then Scott accidentally kills the original body while trying to force the
body snatcher to leave it, which means Magneto faces the prospect of
spending his entire life in this new female body. So he does what anyone
would do: punches Scott out, throws a screaming fit, accuses the X-Men
and Xavier of having engineered the whole thing, and runs off to France
to get drunk for a month. :-)
The plot goes on from there. But trust me, this is a subject to which
I've given thought. :-) Now as to the genetic ramifications, there aren't
any-- it's an entirely new body, genetically totally unrelated to him.
And trust me, Gambit is the *last* person he has any intention of
shagging. :-)
I also have toyed with the idea of some sort of silly villains inventing
a device or a magical spell that changes everyone's sex, and inflicting
it on a select number of X-Men, and Magneto (dunno if I'd do it to
Joseph, or hit the UXM 196-211 lineup with it, or just include Magneto
because it's fun.) The trouble there is the number of characters who
would have fun with it. I suspect that, despite what people may think,
Gambuit would have a great deal of fun with it, as it's much much easier
for a woman to get laid if she wants to. :-) Scott and Jean would quickly
explore the ramifications of the new bodies. Rogue wouldn't like it at
all. Psylocke would revel in being even stronger and tougher, but would
have to quickly find a substitute for butt floss. Bobby and Sam would be
miserable. I am really not at all sure what Magento's reaciton would be;
I think it makes a big difference if it's Magneto or Joseph, if he's a
member of the team or not, and if it affects the entire team or just a
few people.
By the way, since I probably never *will* write this one, anyone can feel
free.
Now, if we're talking about the Marvel Universe, no one is going to
change sex, ever. Emma Frost may get to briefly occcupy male bodies, and
Mystique can do her thing, but no male character will ever get turned
into a woman, because the teenage boys in the demographic will think
that's icky.
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JSpektr
Andyg3129 wrote:
> Hi there.
> This thread is opening nominations for thread
> most likely to entice Alara into replying :-)
>
> I thought it would be a good topic to discuss
> because there aren't enough threads about
> genetics, gender change, or Magneto on this
> newsgroup.
>
> So who can come up with the most sensible
> explanation as to why Magneto would change
> sex. And you lose marks if it involves shagging
> Gambit.
Oh, but there's so many to choose from!
1) Accidently printed his business cards with the name "Magneta"
and decided a gender-swap was the easiest solution.
2) He found a minidress that was just to die for, but it didn't
really look right on a guy.
3) He began to identify too much with Ally McBeal.
4) He's always been a woman. Magda was a man.
5) He reasoned that if the "X-Men" are really tough, then by
becoming the "XX-Man" he would finally defeat them.
6) He realized his problems have nothing to do with humans
hating mutants, it's just his abnormally high testosterone.
7) Xavier's been rebuking his advances for years now...
If this doesn't work, nothing will.
8) The artists needed new cheesecake to draw.
9) The Shadow King is a sick, sick man.
10) Why the hell not?
Me, I want to see a What If?... the X-Men were women issue.
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JSpektr (jsp...@sprynet.com) wrote:
: Oh, but there's so many to choose from!
Do I really need to say tht this one was my favorite? :-) :
: 7) Xavier's been rebuking his advances for years now...
: If this doesn't work, nothing will.
Of course, he'd have to kill off Lilandra first. Gee, a shame she wears
all that ceremonial metal armor. :-)
: Me, I want to see a What If?... the X-Men were women issue.
And the X-Women were men, I take it?
This isn't particularly funny or interesting if they *always* were. I've
seen fanfics which swap everyone's sex, but this gets dull. What's funny
is when you have them (mostly-- leave a few out for fun) get transformed,
and also, you generate interesting dynamics by having one or two having
always been the oppposite sex. I've played with a "What if Charles Xavier
had been born a woman?" on occasion. (Hint: it involves a rather closer
relationship with her greatest nemesis than "we used to be best buds.")
Who would it be particularly funny to change sexes on?
Magneto himself: yeah, I'm not sure what his reaction would be, but it
would probably be funny.
Gambit: No, no cries of horror. Instead, Remie throws herself into her
new role, milking the utterly inexplicable charm "he" always had before
for all it's worth now, being sexually experimental, and wearing butt
floss.
Scott Summers, Jean Grey: After initial reactions of horror, the happily
married couple find their new bodies strangely intriguing. No, they don't
even bother to come help fight the villain who did this. They're too busy
seeing how the other half lives.
Wolverine: One comment, bub. Just one comment, and snikt!
*Lord* but she'd be ugly, though.
Rogue: hates it. He can't simply toss his head, bat his big green eyes
and get any man in the room to do what he wants anymore.
Psylocke: A power junkie who's always secretly wanted to be big and
strong. Now he is. He has to radically revamp his costume, however.
Storm: Didn't notice.
Charles Xavier: Neither did she.
Bobby: Hiding. Either that or playing with her breasts.
Sam: Also hiding. Either that or in public, but very, very miserable.
Bishop: Can't lift her gun anymore! Is furious!
Hank: Unnerved but bearing up gamely.
Warren: Also hiding.
The funniest way to do it would probably be to change only some of them,
so the others could laugh...
Veronique Veron
So he does what anyone
> would do: punches Scott out, throws a screaming fit, accuses the X-Men
> and Xavier of having engineered the whole thing, and runs off to France
> to get drunk for a month. :-)
Tell me when he/she comes: I'll offer him/her a drink (or two) ... :-)
I do not like at all the idea he could change gender ! I think he deeply
feels like a man. Please, let him as he looks like: he's so cute and
charming ! :-)
Aleph Press
Veronique Veron (Veroniq...@univ-valenciennes.fr) wrote:
: So he does what anyone
: > would do: punches Scott out, throws a screaming fit, accuses the X-Men
: > and Xavier of having engineered the whole thing, and runs off to France
: > to get drunk for a month. :-)
: Tell me when he/she comes: I'll offer him/her a drink (or two) ... :-)
: I do not like at all the idea he could change gender !
Neither does he. :-)
I think he deeply
: feels like a man. Please, let him as he looks like: he's so cute and
: charming ! :-)
Well, the *idea* of the story is to set up a major dissonance between who
he thinks he is and who everyone else thinks he is-- kind of a reverse
Joseph, in which he keeps the memory and identity but loses the body and
the powers. And it's supposed to be really, really awful for him. I
couldn't quite justify it being *that* awful if it were simply another
body; that's why the sex change.
(For those who are lost, we are probably completely off-topic here, as a
really silly post about Magneto changing gender provided me a soapbox to
talk about a story I'm working on)
Bigbear
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>Who would it be particularly funny to change sexes on?
>
>Magneto himself: yeah, I'm not sure what his reaction would be, but it
>would probably be funny.
>
>Gambit: No, no cries of horror. Instead, Remie throws herself into her
>new role, milking the utterly inexplicable charm "he" always had before
>for all it's worth now, being sexually experimental, and wearing butt
>floss.
Gambit would be even more of a slut than he is now. And butt-floss would
definately be his fashion choice. Right on the money there.
>Scott Summers, Jean Grey: After initial reactions of horror, the happily
>married couple find their new bodies strangely intriguing. No, they don't
>even bother to come help fight the villain who did this. They're too busy
>seeing how the other half lives.
Yeah, there would be some kind of crap about it strengthening their bond and
understanding each other better and blah blah blah. It all boils down tothe
fact that Scott could finally get away with dressing in women's clothing.
>Wolverine: One comment, bub. Just one comment, and snikt!
Heh, yeah, I don't think Logan would care much for that. Or maybe Logana?
Bobby would be dead after the first wisecrack about how Logana needed to
shave her legs... and chest... and back. :)
>*Lord* but she'd be ugly, though.
I don't even want to picture it!
>Rogue: hates it. He can't simply toss his head, bat his big green eyes
>and get any man in the room to do what he wants anymore.
Yeah but she's also always seemed like a bit of a tomboy though. She might
enjoy it for a bit.
>Psylocke: A power junkie who's always secretly wanted to be big and
>strong. Now he is. He has to radically revamp his costume, however.
Definately would need to lose the the butt-floss! That is not something that
*anyone would want to see on a guy!
>Storm: Didn't notice.
Ooooohhh! That was harsh! I don't agree on this one.
>Charles Xavier: Neither did she.
Heh... this one I do though!
>Bobby: Hiding. Either that or playing with her breasts.
LOL, this is right on the money! Bobbi would be standing in front of a
mirror for hours! You caught me off guard with this one. You had me
chuckling at work, luckily noone was near my office.
>Sam: Also hiding. Either that or in public, but very, very miserable.
He'd be too embarrassed to check his new "equipment" out.
>Bishop: Can't lift her gun anymore! Is furious!
Either that or changes her name to Pam Grier. :)
>Hank: Unnerved but bearing up gamely.
I don't know. I think Hank would be fascinated by the whole thing. He'd be
looking at it like a learning experience.
>Warren: Also hiding.
Nah! He wouldn't notice much of a difference. He might become even more vain
though.
>The funniest way to do it would probably be to change only some of them,
>so the others could laugh...
Bobby would be a tough one. He'd be funny to have as a woman because he'd
have fun with it but if he was unchanged he would give the others such a
hard time!
Imagine Maggott hitting on Logana?
Bigbear
Aleph Press
JSpektr (jsp...@sprynet.com) wrote:
: Hmmmmmm....
: Here's a possible setup...
: Premise:
: We know that Rogue's powers and Magneto's interact in strange ways. He
: can apparently use them to prevent her from absorbing his powers and mind.
: But what would happen if he tried to stop her after she'd started?
An interesting thought...
: For whatever reason, Magneto is fighting the X-Men, and Rogue flies in from
: behind, and catches him off-guard. She begins absorbing, and he lashes out
: with his EM powers to try and rip what she's stolen back out of her (remember
: he somehow absorbed Zaladane's powers, so re-absorbing Rogue's stolen
: powers is possible). Their powers stalemate for a tense moment, and there is
: the standard comic-book tremendous energy explosion.
Well, that's thin. He reabsorbed Zaladane's powers using the same doodad
she used to take them out of him. But hell, there was never a good
explanation given as to why Rogue's attempt to absorb him didn't work in
UXm 304, so let's say for the sake of argument that Magneto can indeed
fight Rogue after she starts.
: When the dust clears, the X-men discover that in the rubble are Rogue and
: Magneto... sort of. Rogue is now in Magneto's body, but with Ms. Marvel's
: powers and half of Magneto's magnetic powers. Magneto is in Rogue's body,
: but with her mind and power-stealing powers, and half of his old powers.
: That, and as per standard with Rogue, their eye-color (and maybe hair) changes
: to match the persona in each body.
I wouldn't think Magneto's body would change to match Rogue being in it;
he doesn't have that power. Rogue's body might acquire blue eyes, but
she's absorbed Magneto before and her hair didn't turn white.
: Now we have a story where we can explore Rogue being free of her curse, but
: at the same time being forced to give up her old body. She is still a
: super-hero,
: indeed, almost a generic "superman" style hero, but she has lost everything
: else
: that ever defined who and what she was.
And, she has to deal with having a body that pretty much every other hero
in the MU wants to beat up on sight... Rogue was a mutant terrorist
herself once, but *never* had the notoriety Magneto did.
Also, while women don't have the kneejerk horror reaction to becomning
male that men do to becoming female (on average), the male thing would be
very, very tough to deal with, much more than she'd think at first.
: Magneto must deal with a number of issues, including an identity crisis. He now
: has Rogue's curse, but can mitigate it with a magnetic force field. He is
: trapped
: as a member of (to him) "the weaker sex" and vulnerable without his full
: powers.
: And of course, he has a woman's hormonal system, as Rogue now has a man's,
Rogue doesn't just have a man's; she has a man's who has biological
mental instability problems. Particularly if Magneto had reverted back to
his mad, bad ways, Rogue might find herself with a *serious* temper
control problem-- and it's not like Rogue never had a temper before! :-)
: and their respective new bodies will slowly begin to warp their personalities
: to
: match. And what about the mental echoes of all the people Rogue has absorbed
: before, that are always lurking in the back of her mind? Do they now torment
: Magneto?
Good question! I'd be *inclined* to think that they would go with Rogue,
but it would be more interesting the other way...
A friend of mine did something similar, never completed, in which Magneto
died and Rogue absorbed him as he did, so the two of them ended up in the
same body. Since he hadn't resisted Rogue the way Carol did, and he was
bright enough to realize that her absorbing him saved his life, and the
two of them were lovers at the time, there weren't the problems that she
had with Carol, but there were other problems. She never really got into
Magneto dealing with having a female body, though. Or, for that matter,
with any depth into Magneto dealing with being dead. I can't imagine that
even *he* could quite shrug that off.
MAD PRAETOR
In article <alephEs...@netcom.com>, al...@netcom.com (Aleph Press) writes:
>Andyg3129 (andy...@aol.com) wrote:
>However, if you gotta press the point... :-) I have been working on a
>fanfic for some months now (it's going slow, and I don't want to release
>it until I've at least got to the point where the X-Men come into the
>story) where a woman with body-stealing powers steals Magneto's. Leaving
>him stuck in her body, which, since her powers go with her mind and his
>And trust me, Gambit is the *last* person he has any intention of
>shagging. :-)
>
Well, don't leave us in suspense! Tell us who it is! :)
>Now, if we're talking about the Marvel Universe, no one is going to
>change sex, ever. Emma Frost may get to briefly occcupy male bodies, and
>Mystique can do her thing, but no male character will ever get turned
>into a woman, because the teenage boys in the demographic will think
>that's icky.
>
What about Sasquatch going Walter to Wanda? Admittedly, it was a fairly
short plotline, and silly at that (somehow, Wanda ends up saying stuff like
"big boy", and adopting sexy poses whilst in very little clothing---you'd
think that she/he would still feel and act a little more masculine. I hoped
they'd cover the character trying to get used to being in a woman's body and
feeling the contradictions involved between body and mind. Ah well.)
On a semi-related topic, just how long do people think it took Mystique to
master perfect shapechanging? She claimed in X-Factor that she could mimic
scent perfectly, and she has to know how to behave when impersonating someone.
She probably has to change her whole body language when she shifts into a male.
But surely she had to do this through many years of trial and error....
Lia
Aleph Press
MAD PRAETOR (lmb...@ivory.trentu.ca) wrote:
: In article <alephEs...@netcom.com>, al...@netcom.com (Aleph Press) writes:
: >And trust me, Gambit is the *last* person he has any intention of
: >
: Well, don't leave us in suspense! Tell us who it is! :)
Take a wild guess. :-)
No, seriously, since the story isn't erotica or even particularly a
romance, that isn't particularly a focus of it. And after you've suffered
the catastrophic loss of your body, your identity and your sexuality,
you're probably not going to be in any condition to sleep with anyone for
a while. Eventually I have him hook up with an original character. But I
do figure that in the course of coming to terms with it he might end up
experimenting, and well, the list of people he'd trust in that context is
really, really short. :-)
: What about Sasquatch going Walter to Wanda? Admittedly, it was a fairly
: short plotline, and silly at that (somehow, Wanda ends up saying stuff like
: "big boy", and adopting sexy poses whilst in very little clothing---you'd
: think that she/he would still feel and act a little more masculine. I hoped
: they'd cover the character trying to get used to being in a woman's body and
: feeling the contradictions involved between body and mind. Ah well.)
Okay. I don't follow Alpha Flight, so I didn't know about that one.
: On a semi-related topic, just how long do people think it took Mystique to
: master perfect shapechanging? She claimed in X-Factor that she could mimic
: scent perfectly, and she has to know how to behave when impersonating someone.
: She probably has to change her whole body language when she shifts into a male.
: But surely she had to do this through many years of trial and error....
I'm sure it took years. That's part of why I like old characters like
Mystique, Magneto, Xavier and Wolverine. Young mutants are all about
unrealized potential, but these are the folks who have *realized* their
potential, made all their stupid mistakes, gone through years of trial
and error, and now they know their stuff cold.
AGr3691541
>: Me, I want to see a What If?... the X-Men were women issue.
>
>And the X-Women were men, I take it?
>
>This isn't particularly funny or interesting if they *always* were. I've
>seen fanfics which swap everyone's sex, but this gets dull. What's funny
>is when you have them (mostly-- leave a few out for fun) get transformed,
>and also, you generate interesting dynamics by having one or two having
>always been the oppposite sex. I've played with a "What if Charles Xavier
>had been born a woman?" on occasion. (Hint: it involves a rather closer
>relationship with her greatest nemesis than "we used to be best buds.")
>
This is slightly related so bear with me...I was looking at the DC Female
Titles Line up recently and thought along those lines. What if evry hero had
been born a different gender. You could have a month were all titles *swapped*.
What would be important is that this was no sex-change storyline, jst a peek
into how the dynamics of, say the X-men, would change if they had always been
the opposite gender. Imagine a male Storm or Rogue in a team with a female
Cyclops, Colossus or Wolverine. The dynamic of the team would have changed. Led
by a female Xavier they fight a female Magneto, who as the sole survivor of her
family in Auswitz, is intent on destroying the patriachal, human society that
spawned facism.
Lazy Line Painter Al
who's wondering why Magneto and Xavier have to be different genders before they
can have a serious relationship?
Aleph Press
AGr3691541 (agr36...@aol.com) wrote:
: In article <alephEs...@netcom.com>, al...@netcom.com (Aleph Press) writes:
: This is slightly related so bear with me...I was looking at the DC Female
: Titles Line up recently and thought along those lines. What if evry hero had
: been born a different gender. You could have a month were all titles *swapped*.
: What would be important is that this was no sex-change storyline, jst a peek
: into how the dynamics of, say the X-men, would change if they had always been
: the opposite gender. Imagine a male Storm or Rogue in a team with a female
: Cyclops, Colossus or Wolverine. The dynamic of the team would have changed. Led
: by a female Xavier they fight a female Magneto, who as the sole survivor of her
: family in Auswitz, is intent on destroying the patriachal, human society that
: spawned facism.
I've seen these sort of things, and the trouble is that the dynamics
don't change... much. People don't think out the implications of things
(for one thing, mythologically weather gods are very, very different
people than weather goddesses. Storm is a perfect Weather Goddess
archtype. Were she a Weather God, would he just not fit the archeetype as
well, or would he be more of a warrior like all other weather gods?)
I don't see "Erika Lehnsherr" getting it into her head that patriarchy is
the problem. She predates the current wave of modern feminism by entirely
too many years. And it's entirely too obvious that male Jews suffered as
badly as female, and female Germans turned as much of a blind eye or were
as anti-Semitic as their male counterparts. The Holocaust simply doesn't
analyze on gender lines unless you really, really stretch. Although, a
female Magneto probably *would* subscribe to the belief that male and
female *mutants* are equal, and that the superiority of the mutant
species comes in part because the gender divide we see in lesser animals,
which fades slightly as you look at humans, totally disappears amongst
mutants; by the same oken, though, she'd be every bit as dismissive and
contemptuous of human females as Magneto at his worst, because *her*
identity is based on being a *mutant*, and human women probably really
are inferior to human males. Blah blah blah. (It scares me sometimes how
easily I can get inside these illogical mindsets...)
I have worked out a good bit of what Xavier would be like as a woman. Not
too much different, but enough. Less aloof, more outgoing, but either way
it's a defense. Like "our" Charles Xavier, she'd have a ton of friends,
and none of them would really know the real her.
: Lazy Line Painter Al
: who's wondering why Magneto and Xavier have to be different genders before they
: can have a serious relationship?
Well, um... because a lot of people won't take your story seriously if
you do it the other way. :-) I myself have the curious dilemma of liking
slash a whole lot, but tending to see it as taking place in an alternate
universe, and therefore not being able to *quite* take it seriously.
The other thing is that Xavier, American dyed-in-the-wool liberal who
sleeps with alien women, has fantasies about teenagers, and is a
telepath, exposed to the broad spectrum of human desire, is perfectly
plausible as a bisexual or someone who would be totally accepting of his
own romantic feelings toward a man. Magneto, however, was raised in an
*extremely* homophobic society. Even many of the Jewish victims of the
Holocaust looked down on the gays that were suffering alongside them.
It's also quite possible (given his age at the time that he entered the
camps, and the extreme unlikelihood that he could have survived at that
age without somone with some degree of power in the camp hierarchy
"protecting" him) that Magneto was sexually abused by males. So he'd have
some major, major baggage to overcome before he could admit to, let alone
act on, an attraction to Charles. And it isn't like they both don't have
serious baggage to overcome in the first place-- hell, they didn't openly
admit to each other that they were *mutants*, for chrissake.
But I gotta say: if anyone *can* figure out how to overcome these
problems, I'll read it with bells on!
AGr3691541
It would depend how the writers approached the subject. How would the history
of the X-men have changed if the comic had run for 35 years with all the
genders reversed. For example if the X-men had started in the 60's, it probably
would have been the token male 'Marvel Boy' who led the four others (possibly
named Ice-gal, Beast-gal, Angel-gal and Cyclops-gal (Beware fellas, this girls
looks can kill!)
Then there would be the personality changes. Storm would conform to a more
masculine God stereotype, still hating technology and stuck in the materialist,
feminist society he finds himself in. Wolverine would probably be more of an
outcast - society not taking kindly to women with her kind of attitude. And as
for young Pryde's crush on a certain large-breasted Russian Farmer women....
Of course, as in all things, handled badly this would just be cheesy. But there
is some mileage in it as a one-off.
Lazy Line Painter Al
actually scratch all the above, I've just remmebered how the X-babies,
although great when they first appeared, became crap very quickly - introduced
for the obligatory 'kooky' storyline. It's probably best not to repeat the
mistake.
Aleph Press
AGr3691541 (agr36...@aol.com) wrote:
: It would depend how the writers approached the subject. How would the history
: of the X-men have changed if the comic had run for 35 years with all the
: genders reversed. For example if the X-men had started in the 60's, it probably
: would have been the token male 'Marvel Boy' who led the four others (possibly
: named Ice-gal, Beast-gal, Angel-gal and Cyclops-gal (Beware fellas, this girls
: looks can kill!)
Well, I'm not sure about that. The dynamics, firstly, are going to be
affected by a female, and probably actively feminist, headmistress. (The
idea is not "What if Marvel had the idea of doing a mostly-female mutant
book back in the 60's?" Female superhero books have been done, and are
largely and excuse for cheesecake in my opinion. The idea is "What if
Charles Xavier had been a woman, and so had all the male mutants who in
our universe made up the X-Men, and Jean was a man, and so on?") "Marvel
Boy" (what an awful name) wouldn't necessarily have been the leader,
although he'd have had problems with an all-girl team otherwise in that
era. And as for code names, Marvel (and Xavier) rarely resorted to gal,
lass, boy, lad, man or woman names, so you'd be more likely to get Ice
(or Ice Queen? Or Snow?), Angel (no change), and, um, I have no idea
about Beast or Cyclops (Cyclops is a male mythological beast, and
although this does not stop Banshee, for the *most* part people are
careful about this; Beast is an awfully cruel name to give an ugly,
athletic girl.)
: Then there would be the personality changes. Storm would conform to a more
: masculine God stereotype, still hating technology and stuck in the materialist,
: feminist society he finds himself in.
Feminist society? I think the notion that the *society* is feminist is
unlikely. You mean the fact that he's in a group mostly composed of
women, led by a feminist mentor?
Wolverine would probably be more of an
: outcast - society not taking kindly to women with her kind of attitude. And as
Yep.
: for young Pryde's crush on a certain large-breasted Russian Farmer women....
Oh yeah, Kit and Petra translate just fine. :-)
Henrietta McCoy would be a lot closer to the Dark Beast-- embittered and
angry (an athletic, brilliant woman with huge hands and feet. Turning
blue and furry would be the best thing that had ever happened to her
looks. I *don't* see her as nearly as well-adjusted as our Hank.)
: Of course, as in all things, handled badly this would just be cheesy. But there
: is some mileage in it as a one-off.
: Lazy Line Painter Al
: actually scratch all the above, I've just remmebered how the X-babies,
: although great when they first appeared, became crap very quickly - introduced
: for the obligatory 'kooky' storyline. It's probably best not to repeat the
: mistake.
Mm, you have a point. Although, as fanfic it remains an intriguing
thought. I think you've almost convinced me. :-)
Paul O'Brien
In article <199805011559...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, AGr3691541
<agr36...@aol.com> writes
>
> This is slightly related so bear with me...I was looking at the DC Female
>Titles Line up recently and thought along those lines. What if evry hero had
>been born a different gender. You could have a month were all titles *swapped*.
You may be distressed to learn that Rob Liefeld more or less got there
first with the (I'm told) execrable Extreme Babewatch storyline, in
which all his male characters developed massive tits and a compulsion
to show off their cleavage and thighs for a couple of months.
Apparently it wasn't supposed to be funny, which is scary.
Paul O'Brien
pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~prob/
Other forms of content such as, for example, ideas.
JSpektr
Aleph Press wrote:
> JSpektr (jsp...@sprynet.com) wrote:
>
> : Hmmmmmm....
>
> : Here's a possible setup...
>
> : Premise:
>
> : We know that Rogue's powers and Magneto's interact in strange ways. He
> : can apparently use them to prevent her from absorbing his powers and mind.
> : But what would happen if he tried to stop her after she'd started?
>
> An interesting thought...
>
> Well, that's thin. He reabsorbed Zaladane's powers using the same doodad
> she used to take them out of him. But hell, there was never a good
Ooooh yeah. Rats. It could always be explained that he really didn't need thedoo-dad
in the first place, but that it just made the process more efficient.
After all, if the device was just an application of electromagnetics, and he can
control/generate the same...
(side note: shouldn't Magneto be able to tune into TV broadcasts without
a TV? He can sense EM waves, after all, and would just need to learn to
translate them...)
> explanation given as to why Rogue's attempt to absorb him didn't work in
> UXm 304, so let's say for the sake of argument that Magneto can indeed
> fight Rogue after she starts.
While the nature of Rogue's powers are exceedingly vague, if we assumethere's some
sort of energy and psychic transfer (rather than something even
more bizarre), then Magneto, with his control of energy and minor psychic
powers, should be able to fight and even reverse it. Indeed, after studying
Rogue enough, he might even be able to emmulate her absorbtion powers!
> : When the dust clears, the X-men discover that in the rubble are Rogue and
> : Magneto... sort of. Rogue is now in Magneto's body, but with Ms. Marvel's
> : powers and half of Magneto's magnetic powers. Magneto is in Rogue's body,
> : but with her mind and power-stealing powers, and half of his old powers.
> : That, and as per standard with Rogue, their eye-color (and maybe hair) changes
> : to match the persona in each body.
>
> I wouldn't think Magneto's body would change to match Rogue being in it;
> he doesn't have that power. Rogue's body might acquire blue eyes, but
> she's absorbed Magneto before and her hair didn't turn white.
Okay, sure. It was an artistic device only.
> : Now we have a story where we can explore Rogue being free of her curse, but
> : at the same time being forced to give up her old body. She is still a
> : super-hero,
> : indeed, almost a generic "superman" style hero, but she has lost everything
> : else
> : that ever defined who and what she was.
>
> And, she has to deal with having a body that pretty much every other hero
> in the MU wants to beat up on sight... Rogue was a mutant terrorist
> herself once, but *never* had the notoriety Magneto did.
And I can see all sorts of interesting situations where Magneto's enemies attack,only
to find the "new" Magneto has supersonic flight and super strength, and
much less magnetic power than before, completely disrupting their plans.
> Rogue doesn't just have a man's; she has a man's who has biological
> mental instability problems. Particularly if Magneto had reverted back to
> his mad, bad ways, Rogue might find herself with a *serious* temper
> control problem-- and it's not like Rogue never had a temper before! :-)
So we've got poor Rogue trying to deal with a very aggressive male's level
oftestosterone, on top of a mental imbalance? Poor Rogue!
I have sudden images of a white-haired, Superman (or Supreme)-esque
character tearing across the Marvel Universe.
> : and their respective new bodies will slowly begin to warp their personalities
> : to
> : match. And what about the mental echoes of all the people Rogue has absorbed
> : before, that are always lurking in the back of her mind? Do they now torment
> : Magneto?
>
> Good question! I'd be *inclined* to think that they would go with Rogue,
> but it would be more interesting the other way...
Much. Has Rogue absorbed anyone that *really* hates Magneto? If so, themental
conversations could be very nice...
JSPEKTR - ok, it's all just an excuse to get Magneto in butt-floss. Really.
jsp...@sprynet.com http://members.tripod.com/~JSpektr/base1.htm
Take a look at my work on-line, but if you do, tell me what you think!
Aleph Press
JSpektr (jsp...@sprynet.com) wrote:
: Ooooh yeah. Rats. It could always be explained that he really didn't need thedoo-dad
: in the first place, but that it just made the process more efficient.
: After all, if the device was just an application of electromagnetics, and he can
: control/generate the same...
Not sure, but I *think* it was magical.
: (side note: shouldn't Magneto be able to tune into TV broadcasts without
: a TV? He can sense EM waves, after all, and would just need to learn to
: translate them...)
The translation would be a bitch and a half, though. But yeah, he could
do it. We've seen Magneto use radio headsets before, though (the Savage
Land story with Zaladane, actually) so I assume that he can't do the
translation in his head.
: While the nature of Rogue's powers are exceedingly vague, if we assumethere's some
: sort of energy and psychic transfer (rather than something even
: more bizarre), then Magneto, with his control of energy and minor psychic
: powers, should be able to fight and even reverse it. Indeed, after studying
: Rogue enough, he might even be able to emmulate her absorbtion powers!
Not that he would want to...
: And I can see all sorts of interesting situations where Magneto's enemies attack,only
: to find the "new" Magneto has supersonic flight and super strength, and
: much less magnetic power than before, completely disrupting their plans.
Yup. Although, those being Carol Danvers' powers originally, would they
transfer into the new body with Rogue? (Or, you mean the actual Magneto
in Rogue's body, not the person that everyone thinks is Magneto who is
really Rogue.)
The interpersonal relations here would be *fascinating*. Persumably this
would occur at a time that Magneto was a villain, but it would *majorly*
derail his plans, whatever they were. I suspect that he and Rogue would
both be knocked out by this, allowing the X-Men to take him captive
(assuming they didn't take the wrong one captive... lock Rogue up with a
collar on and let Magneto run around free in the X-Mansion... and how
long before Magneto gives himself away if that's the case? I give it
minutes, tops...)
: So we've got poor Rogue trying to deal with a very aggressive male's level
: oftestosterone, on top of a mental imbalance? Poor Rogue!
: I have sudden images of a white-haired, Superman (or Supreme)-esque
: character tearing across the Marvel Universe.
Yep. Having no idea *why* everything sets her off into a rage, just that
it does. Although, Rogue has dealt with madness and external mental
influences before, a lot. So she'd get control of herself before long.
: Much. Has Rogue absorbed anyone that *really* hates Magneto? If so, themental
: conversations could be very nice...
Well, all the original X-Men really hate Magneto, and I think at some
point or another Rogue has probably absorbed them all. I don't think she
ever nailed Quicksilver or the Witch.
: JSPEKTR - ok, it's all just an excuse to get Magneto in butt-floss. Really.
Sorry, female body or no, Magneto will *not* wear butt floss. The best
you could get him to do would be skin-tight full body covering.
Brian Fried
Even if Marvel were to do the "What if the genders switched..." story,
things would be drastically different.
For one thing, a female Xavier would not gone to war as a soldier. Maybe
as a peace keeper or a nurse. That would drastically shift the dynamics.
For example, let's say all the genders are switched. Charlotte Xavier (if
we can call her that) is very wealthy and a strong telepath. Maybe she was
a nurse in a war, felt the suffering, and formed her X-Men to help people.
A real humanitarian.
But, better yet, what if she were raised spoiled. We know that Xavier was
treated differently as a boy than his step brother. Take this to the next
level; Charlotte Xavier is like the Hellion-forming Emma Frost, someone
who creates the X-Men for personal interest. Her sister, Caitlin Marko,
having been beaten by her father for being a brat compared to her rich
sister, hates all men and leads a right wing feminist group.
The first class would consist of, to borrow from a previous list: Angel,
Snow (short for Snow White), Acrobat, Laser and Marvel Boy. John Grey is
wanted by every girl and is usually blushing. Angel is extremely vain,
rich, and is always chiding the others about their manners since she and
the wealthy Xavier get along. Acrobat is the female beast, an excellent
gymnast who's brilliant and wants to become a dance choreographer.
Erika Lensherr hates the Germans and is a terrorist. She wants to make
Paris pay for hosting the Germans, who's country she's tried to toast a
number of times in retribution for the death of her family and so she
battles the New Mutants (can't really call them X-Men) because Charlotte
Xavier wants to save all the good shopping and none of the mutants want to
miss their graduation presents from Chanel.
Gee, that's the start of something interesting.....
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Brian Fried
bfr...@chat.carleton.ca
Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
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"What do you say? Will the human race be run in a day?
Or will someone save this planet we're playing on?"
- Paul McCartney, 'Pipes Of Peace', 1983
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Hydro
Aleph Press wrote:
>
> The interpersonal relations here would be *fascinating*. Persumably
> this would occur at a time that Magneto was a villain, but it would
> *majorly* derail his plans, whatever they were. I suspect that he and
> Rogue would both be knocked out by this, allowing the X-Men to take
> him captive (assuming they didn't take the wrong one captive... lock
> Rogue up with a collar on and let Magneto run around free in the
> X-Mansion... and how long before Magneto gives himself away if that's
> the case? I give it minutes, tops...)
>
I would love to see something like that. However, the speech patterns
of Rogue and Magneto would most likely switch, giving Magneto away
immediately (Remember the Rogue/Danvers switches).
I'm not sure I'd like to see him switch with Rogue, but to
mind-transfer with one of the X-Men a la #152 would be very interesting.
He'd most likely see the truth about them, and there'd be a lot of
character development, and *drooooool*.
Aleph Press
Hydro (e...@hatespam.net) wrote:
: Aleph Press wrote:
: >
: > The interpersonal relations here would be *fascinating*. Persumably
: > this would occur at a time that Magneto was a villain, but it would
: > *majorly* derail his plans, whatever they were. I suspect that he and
: > Rogue would both be knocked out by this, allowing the X-Men to take
: > him captive (assuming they didn't take the wrong one captive... lock
: > Rogue up with a collar on and let Magneto run around free in the
: > X-Mansion... and how long before Magneto gives himself away if that's
: > the case? I give it minutes, tops...)
: >
: I would love to see something like that. However, the speech patterns
: of Rogue and Magneto would most likely switch, giving Magneto away
: immediately (Remember the Rogue/Danvers switches).
Well, it depends on when it happened and if Magneto realizes what has
happened before he starts talking! Given the setup the original poster
described, I imagined this as taking place during Fatal Attractions,
during the scene where Rogue tries to disable Magneto by kissing him and
it doesn't work. What if it *did* work... wrong? Then if Magneto
realized what had happeend before he had had a chance to say much and
give himself away, he might decide to try to play along until he's strong
enough to escape. (Althugh, Magneto is a terrible actor. Even if he
*tried*, I can't see him successfully imitating Rogue for more than a few
minutes.) Meanwhile, Rogue, who has absolutely no motivation to hide who
she is, insists loudly that she's Rogue, and while we assume that a
convenient lack of ability to psi-scan them has just sprung up (a la the
Carol Danvers thing), she would know things only Rogue could know. So
yeah, they'd fairly quickly sort out who's who. And yes, the speech
patterns would definitely switch, and the body language.
: I'm not sure I'd like to see him switch with Rogue, but to
: mind-transfer with one of the X-Men a la #152 would be very interesting.
: He'd most likely see the truth about them, and there'd be a lot of
: character development, and *drooooool*.
Magneto doesn't really need to see the truth about the X-Men... I've
always rather suspected he has a pretty good grasp on who they are and
what they stand for (whereas they've never had much of a clue about him
until UXM #150.) What he needed was to be convinced that the X-Men were
*right*, and circa #152 I'm not sure that was going to happen. I think he
really needed time to think after he almost killed Kitty. However, it's
an intriguing thought. Who would you have switched him with?
JSpektr
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Aleph Press wrote:
> JSpektr (jsp...@sprynet.com) wrote:
>
> : Ooooh yeah. Rats. It could always be explained that he really didn't need thedoo-dad
> : in the first place, but that it just made the process more efficient.
> : After all, if the device was just an application of electromagnetics, and he can
> : control/generate the same...
>
> Not sure, but I *think* it was magical.
Really? What makes you say that? Everything else Zaladane used seemed to betechnological.
> : (side note: shouldn't Magneto be able to tune into TV broadcasts without
> : a TV? He can sense EM waves, after all, and would just need to learn to
> : translate them...)
>
> The translation would be a bitch and a half, though. But yeah, he could
> do it. We've seen Magneto use radio headsets before, though (the Savage
> Land story with Zaladane, actually) so I assume that he can't do the
> translation in his head.
True. But he *could* act as a receiver/transmitter for a mechanical translatordevice. Thus,
he could carry a microchip-sized radio/tv, and act as the unit's
antena.
> : And I can see all sorts of interesting situations where Magneto's enemies attack,only
> : to find the "new" Magneto has supersonic flight and super strength, and
> : much less magnetic power than before, completely disrupting their plans.
>
> Yup. Although, those being Carol Danvers' powers originally, would they
> transfer into the new body with Rogue? (Or, you mean the actual Magneto
> in Rogue's body, not the person that everyone thinks is Magneto who is
> really Rogue.)
After some thought, I've retranslated the scenario a little. I figure Magneto'sattempt to
resist the absorbtion backfires, but also short-circuits the whole
thing. Rogue pulls Magneto's mind and half of his powers in, but while
Magneto is trying to pull his powers back into himself, Rogue's mind is
yanked in with it. She gets the Carol Danvers powers because they are
tied to her psyche, not her body (at least they are in this theory!). The
interaction of their powers forms a sort of closed circuit between them
during the absorbtion/switch, and their powers and minds are free to
co-mingle for a second or two. When the circuit is broken, the powers
and minds end up in random places.
> The interpersonal relations here would be *fascinating*. Persumably this
> would occur at a time that Magneto was a villain, but it would *majorly*
> derail his plans, whatever they were. I suspect that he and Rogue would
> both be knocked out by this, allowing the X-Men to take him captive
> (assuming they didn't take the wrong one captive... lock Rogue up with a
> collar on and let Magneto run around free in the X-Mansion... and how
> long before Magneto gives himself away if that's the case? I give it
> minutes, tops...)
I dunno... Mags can be pretty crafty, and would want to milk this for all itwas worth.
Plus, he can simulate some of the Ms. Marvel powers with what's
left of his magnetism, and shield his thoughts with his telepathic powers, so
he could maintain the guise for some time.
As a side note, since Mags wears a costume made of paper-thin steel (it's
true: if his powers were nullified, the bastard probably couldn't move!), I would
like to see him manipulate it more. For example, he could form his cape into a
spear and magnetically launch it at someone, or unravel his glove and form it
into a tendril to wrap around someone he wants to capture. Granted, there
can't be much mass in that costume, but enough to do *something* cool.
Manipulation of the costume this way could simulate flight, strength, and
invulnerability. He just levitates the costume, moves the costume's hands,
or prevents the deformation of the costume due to impact, respectively.
> : So we've got poor Rogue trying to deal with a very aggressive male's level
> : oftestosterone, on top of a mental imbalance? Poor Rogue!
>
> : I have sudden images of a white-haired, Superman (or Supreme)-esque
> : character tearing across the Marvel Universe.
>
> Yep. Having no idea *why* everything sets her off into a rage, just that
> it does. Although, Rogue has dealt with madness and external mental
> influences before, a lot. So she'd get control of herself before long.
So imagine this senario: Immediately after the switch, the X-Men grab bothunconscious
bodies, and toss the male one in a cell. The female Magneto
comes to, and realizes the situation, and plays along. The male Rogue wakes
up, and freaks out, triggering the mental imbalance, and breaks free (the cell
was meant to hold someone with magnetic powers, not super strength and
flight). The male Rogue then rampages across the countryside, not understanding
what has happened to her or why she is so angry. The X-Men eventually
lose her due to her very high flight speed.
Now then, what's the best part of this? THE READERS DON'T KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON!!! Yes, that's right, properly written, the readers just
know that Magneto woke up with Rogue-like powers, and acted really weird.
His thought bubbles would sound strange, but would not immediately reveal
what was up (ie: no using words like "sugah"). Rogue would seem normal,
but slowly, over several issues, would get more and more suspicious, as gaps
in her memory of the X-Men were revealed (most could be covered up with
a little telepathy), and she was spotted using her magnetic powers. All of it
would lead up to the revelation that Magneto is now in Rogue's body, and
Rogue is in Magneto's, but not before the female Magneto uses his deception
to attack the X-Men in a huge "special issue!"
And the kicker is that Magneto, freed for the first time in his life from his
mental imbalance, would be thinking clearer and craftier than ever. And
despite his new female body, he might decide his new brain is too good to
give up...
JSPEKTR - Now, imagine the switch lasts for more than 12 issues...
Aleph Press
JSpektr (jsp...@sprynet.com) wrote:
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Me too. :-)
: > Not sure, but I *think* it was magical.
: Really? What makes you say that? Everything else Zaladane used seemed
to betechnological.
It seemed to be magical when she took the powers from Polaris, at least.
: > The translation would be a bitch and a half, though. But yeah, he could
: > do it. We've seen Magneto use radio headsets before, though (the Savage
: > Land story with Zaladane, actually) so I assume that he can't do the
: > translation in his head.
: True. But he *could* act as a receiver/transmitter for a mechanical translatordevice. Thus,
: he could carry a microchip-sized radio/tv, and act as the unit's
: antena.
Yup. Actually, I wonder why Magneto doesn't screw up radio more often. Or
computer disks. Or videotapes. "In the future, it would be wise to
*label* the boxes with the videotapes in them before asking me to help
you move!"
: After some thought, I've retranslated the scenario a little. I figure Magneto'sattempt to
: resist the absorbtion backfires, but also short-circuits the whole
: thing. Rogue pulls Magneto's mind and half of his powers in, but while
: Magneto is trying to pull his powers back into himself, Rogue's mind is
: yanked in with it. She gets the Carol Danvers powers because they are
: tied to her psyche, not her body (at least they are in this theory!). The
: interaction of their powers forms a sort of closed circuit between them
: during the absorbtion/switch, and their powers and minds are free to
: co-mingle for a second or two. When the circuit is broken, the powers
: and minds end up in random places.
Could be interesting.
: I dunno... Mags can be pretty crafty, and would want to milk this for all itwas worth.
: Plus, he can simulate some of the Ms. Marvel powers with what's
: left of his magnetism, and shield his thoughts with his telepathic powers, so
: he could maintain the guise for some time.
The trouble is what a lousy actor Magneto is. He can fake being some old
benevolent scientist guy, but how the hell is he going to fake being
Rogue? It rquires subtlety, and while Magneto is very intelligent, subtle
he is not.
: As a side note, since Mags wears a costume made of paper-thin steel (it's
: true: if his powers were nullified, the bastard probably couldn't move!), I would
Well, we've seen him move with his powers nullified. I don't imagine his
outfit is any heavier than medieval chain mail. Probably much lighter, in
fact.
: like to see him manipulate it more. For example, he could form his cape into a
: spear and magnetically launch it at someone, or unravel his glove and form it
: into a tendril to wrap around someone he wants to capture. Granted, there
: can't be much mass in that costume, but enough to do *something* cool.
He's used his cape to break free of Hercules' grip. I had a scene in an
(as yet unwritten) story, where a weakened Magneto flies out over the
ocean in the middle of a storm, realizes a bit late that he hasn't got
the strength to fight the headwinds back to land *or* make it back to his
starting point, so he basically makes his clothes into a very small boat
and uses his magnetism to keep that afloat in the storm. (Mind you, given
that he gets seasick, he is *not* happy about this. :-))
: Manipulation of the costume this way could simulate flight, strength, and
: invulnerability. He just levitates the costume, moves the costume's hands,
: or prevents the deformation of the costume due to impact, respectively.
He'd have to create a costume for Rogue's body that does all this, of
course. But give him a few minutes alone and that shouldn't be hard. I
think the real danger he's got is trying to imitate her speech patterns,
actually.
: So imagine this senario: Immediately after the switch, the X-Men grab bothunconscious
: bodies, and toss the male one in a cell. The female Magneto
: comes to, and realizes the situation, and plays along. The male Rogue wakes
: up, and freaks out, triggering the mental imbalance, and breaks free (the cell
: was meant to hold someone with magnetic powers, not super strength and
: flight). The male Rogue then rampages across the countryside, not understanding
: what has happened to her or why she is so angry. The X-Men eventually
: lose her due to her very high flight speed.
The funny thing is that Magneto in Rogue's body might well be called on
to try to catch Rogue in Magneto's body. Unless he's still playing stunned.
: Now then, what's the best part of this? THE READERS DON'T KNOW
: WHAT'S GOING ON!!! Yes, that's right, properly written, the readers just
: know that Magneto woke up with Rogue-like powers, and acted really weird.
: His thought bubbles would sound strange, but would not immediately reveal
: what was up (ie: no using words like "sugah"). Rogue would seem normal,
: but slowly, over several issues, would get more and more suspicious, as gaps
: in her memory of the X-Men were revealed (most could be covered up with
: a little telepathy),
Magneto's not a telepath. Or rather, he is, but at such absurdly low
levels that it makes no sense to call him one. He can't read minds. He
can occasionally do mind control, but not on strong-willed, resistant
targets.
and she was spotted using her magnetic powers. All of it
: would lead up to the revelation that Magneto is now in Rogue's body, and
: Rogue is in Magneto's, but not before the female Magneto uses his deception
: to attack the X-Men in a huge "special issue!"
: And the kicker is that Magneto, freed for the first time in his life from his
: mental imbalance, would be thinking clearer and craftier than ever. And
: despite his new female body, he might decide his new brain is too good to
: give up...
The trouble I have with this scenario is that a clear-headed magneto
wouldn't *be* an enemy of the X-Men. Magneto's desire to rule the world,
or whatever, comes from his megalomania. He is actually a very bad
leader. If he was thinking clearly, he'd know this. And the period in
which we *did* see him effectively free of the imbalance (that is, Mutant
Alpha had healed him, and he hadn't had time to build up serious damage
yet), he ended up becoming the X-Men's ally. If his goal is separation of
humans and mutants, and a mutant homeland, that's not something the X-Men
would oppose him on, if it wasn't linked to "and then I'm going to take
over the world."
Also, the exact same thing would happen to Rogue's body. The imbalance is
caused by the powers. Whoever has the magnetic powers is going to go
nuts. Now, the insanity is not caused by the powers directly, in the
sense of use powers, go nuts. Rather, use of the powers builds up damage,
which then takes time to heal in the absence of powers. So Rogue would at
first have the insane brain, but as the body no longer had magnetic
powers, the damage would heal; meanwhile, Magneto would be quickly frying
Rogue's body's brain, and going nuts again.
Also, Magneto is neither good at deceit nor much inclined to it. I really
don't think he could fake it for 12 issues. I doubt he could fake it for
2. We're not talking about Mystique or Mastermind here. One of the things
I like about Magneto is that he has well-defined strengths and
weaknesses, and one of his weaknesses is a complete lack of subtlety.
He'd give himself away very, very quickly.
Aleph Press
Indigo (ind...@plastic.spork.com) wrote:
: I don't know about Marvel doing it, but maybe the X-Writers would.
: Andrew?
: This is me offering to be part of the gender-bender X-book if y'all decide you
: want to take it on. I have the feeling my idea-bouncer would help too if we
: offered him the right incentives...
Okay, I wasn't going to say anything yet, because I've *still* got Twin
Poles and the-story-that-has-no-name-that-Dandelion-and-I-are-hashing-out
and Body Snatcher all on my plate, but...
I don't know about X-Writers, but *I* wanna do this.
In the past two days I've worked out the details of the original seven
X-Men (I include Havok and Polaris), the Brotehrhood of Evil Mutants, Mr.
Sinister, Apocalypse and Xavier in the gender-switch world. I am planning
on writing up a dossier for readers covering the basics, and a more
detailed dossier who anyone who wants to write in it.
If you or anyone else is interested, write me, because I *really* don't
want to do it all myself. Basically I'd like to set up the universe, do a
handful of establishing fics, and then hand it over to someone else, with
me getting dibs on Magneto in future and having some participatory role
in where the storylines go, at least until and unless I drop out
entirely, but with new writers getting creative control over either the
characters they "create" (that is, adapt) or the characters that they
really want (for instance, while I may be the "creator" of Bobbi Drake,
that doesn't mean I want to write her entire life story.) :-) With all the
fanfic on my plate, I can't realistically hope to do more than maybe
three stories for starters, but I really like what I've done with the
characters so far and would love to burble at someone about them.
Indigo, I'll write up what I have so far and send it to you. Anyone else
who's interested, jump on this thread. I've crossposted this back to
racmx for one time only, with the Follow-Up to: set to acff, because I
want to catch the people who only post to racmx who expressed interest in
this, but then after that it should stay off racmx (and probably go to
email, for that matter...)
Gary Johnson
Aleph Press (al...@netcom.com) wrote:
:
: I've seen these sort of things, and the trouble is that the dynamics
: (for one thing, mythologically weather gods are very, very different
: people than weather goddesses. Storm is a perfect Weather Goddess
: archtype. Were she a Weather God, would he just not fit the archeetype as
: well, or would he be more of a warrior like all other weather gods?)
Is there a "Weather Goddess" archtype? Off the top of my head, I can't
think of a Indo-European sky goddess, which makes me think there isn't an
archtype floating around out there. As a character, Storm has the very
"feminine" role of reconciling different opinions and contradictions. A
male Storm may well retain that trait, especially since this fictional
universe will include at least one *very* aggressive (i.e. "masculine")
female character in Wolverine. In other words, deviation from
"traditional" gender roles may well be a given in this fictional universe,
or at least accepted in several characters.
I picture a male Storm as being much like Aotea from the Waitangi Rangers,
a character that very few people in the States will recognise. Like
Storm, he is from a different cultural background to "mainstream" American
superheroes (in his case, Maori), he has control over the weather, and he
resolves conflicts between other people by his actions (since he doesn't
speak at all in his only appearance in any comic).
[much musing about Magneto and Xavier snipped]
Yours,
Gary Johnson