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Nicole Hernandez

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Apr 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/4/97
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Hmm, I guess this title isn't accurate since there're no female X-Artist's.
Well the IRON CLONE is going to rate X-Art.

SUCKY PENCILERS
Well lesse number 1 we have a tie between Mitch Byrd and the punk who
drew X-Men#68. Face it, both of these goons are ameatures plain and
simple. They also have ZERO talent. Well these guys tied because their
art is similar. But I think the guy who drew X-Men 68 has better skills.
Bryd's art can be seen in GenX#23 and part of 24. Bryd's art looks
cartoonish and childish.
In the number 2 spot we gots Brian Hitch (Uncanny X-Men 331 and X-Men:Prime)
While his art is somewhat good he makes the people he draws look old. He
puts to many lines on their face and they look old and ugly.
Number 3 we have Mr.Rob "I'm gonna change the 'A' because I can" Liefeld.
This guy did stints on New Mutants and X-Force before joining and getting
kicked out of Image. His art would be alot better if there weren't so
many scowls and muscles. Everything he draws has muscles and it ends up
looking ridiculous.
Number 4 would be Steve Skroce. He used to draw X-Man and well he ain't
to good at drawing women. Why? Well it's easy to see. His women look like
men leaving the reader to try and figure out if they're looking at men
with long hair, or transvestites. On to number 5.
Here we have Carlos Pacheca in the number 5 spot. Yeah he's pretty
popular but I just don't like it. I admit that I think his art is pretty
good but, Andy Kubert's is better and when you take him out and throw in
Pacheca well I just don't llike his art.

GOOD PENCILERS
In the number 1 slot we've got the man who started it all, the late Jack
"King" Kirby. I don't know what it is but I love this guys art. I guess
it's because Angel, Iceman, Cyclops, and Beast didn't have huge muscles
and Marvel Girl didn't have exaggerated breast's. He drew them like real
people.
At number 2 we see Joe Madureira. You can tell Joe is having fun drawing
this book. His art is something that has never been done to the X-Books.
How can you not like his work?
In numberr 3 is Chris Bachalo. The penciler of GenX draws like a penciler
for GenX should. His art is so cool although you can't really tell the
difference between Paige and Emma sometimes. He did a great job with the
darkness in iss.25
Number 4 is Adam Kubert because he's a damn good penciler. All I have to
say is check out Wolverine 102 for his best work.
5. I don't know. What do you think?


Gimme feedback
IRRON CLONE

Thomas Boij

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Apr 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/4/97
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Nicole Hernandez wrote:

> SUCKY PENCILERS
> Well lesse number 1 we have a tie between Mitch Byrd and the punk who
> drew X-Men#68. Face it, both of these goons are ameatures plain and
> simple. They also have ZERO talent. Well these guys tied because their
> art is similar. But I think the guy who drew X-Men 68 has better skills.
> Bryd's art can be seen in GenX#23 and part of 24. Bryd's art looks
> cartoonish and childish.

You know the latest X-Men issue was #64, so how come you know how the
art of #68 will look? Anyway, I suppose you mean #58, pencilled by
Bernard Chang. And I agree with you, both he and Byrd are bad
pencillers.

> Number 4 would be Steve Skroce. He used to draw X-Man and well he ain't
> to good at drawing women. Why? Well it's easy to see. His women look like
> men leaving the reader to try and figure out if they're looking at men
> with long hair, or transvestites. On to number 5.

I actually like Skroce. He doesn't try to copy another artist, but uses
his own personal style.

> Here we have Carlos Pacheca in the number 5 spot. Yeah he's pretty
> popular but I just don't like it. I admit that I think his art is pretty
> good but, Andy Kubert's is better and when you take him out and throw in
> Pacheca well I just don't llike his art.

I love Pacheco's art. It was better in Excalibur, but it's great in the
X-Men too.

Thomas

Bryant

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Apr 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/4/97
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Just a note,

Vince Yim

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Nicole Hernandez wrote:

> Hmm, I guess this title isn't accurate since there're no female X-Artist's.
> Well the IRON CLONE is going to rate X-Art.

No female X-artists? What about Jan Duursema? What about...uh...um...I
think she's the only one...but she's pretty good. I'm not a really big
fan of her work, but she does a more than adequate job. She also
graduated from Kubert's school...did you know that?



> Number 3 we have Mr.Rob "I'm gonna change the 'A' because I can" Liefeld.
> This guy did stints on New Mutants and X-Force before joining and getting
> kicked out of Image. His art would be alot better if there weren't so
> many scowls and muscles. Everything he draws has muscles and it ends up
> looking ridiculous.

You get no argument from me whatsoever. Actually, his art would be a
lot better if he did what Jae Lee did. If you remember Jae Lee's work
on X-Factor, Marvel Comics Presents, Namor, Youngblood Strikefiles, and
the first Hellshock series, he used a dark, twisted style. Figures
looked really warped and distorted, although in a really cool kind of
way. Then he took two years off to do research and hone his artwork
skills. Now, Jae Lee does an almost photo-realistic artistic style that
is real treat to look at.

> Number 4 would be Steve Skroce. He used to draw X-Man and well he ain't
> to good at drawing women. Why? Well it's easy to see. His women look like
> men leaving the reader to try and figure out if they're looking at men
> with long hair, or transvestites. On to number 5.

I've seen worse. I remember in older issues of Wizard Magazine with
advertisement for Dagger Comics (some independent comic company that
went under because they just sucked). One comic in particular entitled
"Anarchy USA" had a bunch of scantly clad women on the advertisment,
wearing similar costumes to Vampirella. But then, it didn't look very
appealing, as they looked like men with breasts wearing women's
clothing. It was hideous.

> Here we have Carlos Pacheca in the number 5 spot. Yeah he's pretty
> popular but I just don't like it. I admit that I think his art is pretty
> good but, Andy Kubert's is better and when you take him out and throw in
> Pacheca well I just don't llike his art.

I think the reason why they chose Carlos is that he has a similar Manga
style to Joe Madureira in some respects (either that, or he was hurtin'
for work after his assignment was yanked from under his feet). I agree,
I prefer Andy Kubert, but Carlos is a better story teller in the same
respect as Joe Madureira (more on this later).



> GOOD PENCILERS
> In the number 1 slot we've got the man who started it all, the late Jack
> "King" Kirby. I don't know what it is but I love this guys art. I guess
> it's because Angel, Iceman, Cyclops, and Beast didn't have huge muscles
> and Marvel Girl didn't have exaggerated breast's. He drew them like real
> people.

Unfortunately, I guess I'm a bit to young to appreciate his art, but if
it weren't for him, many of my favorite artists wouldn't even be
around. I have come across a few issues of his work and wasn't
impressed (doesn't have the flash and detail of more modern artists),
but it was more than adequate.

> At number 2 we see Joe Madureira. You can tell Joe is having fun drawing
> this book. His art is something that has never been done to the X-Books.
> How can you not like his work?

If you don't like Japanimation. I was a big an of Andy Kubert
(especially with Matt Ryan's inks) until Madureira came around. While
Andy Kubert draws more realistic figures, they tend to look very stiff,
especially during action sequences. Madureira has flow, something that
can be easily achieved with a more simplistic form. But still,
Madureira can go completely nuts with detail. Remember the Phalanx?

> In numberr 3 is Chris Bachalo. The penciler of GenX draws like a penciler
> for GenX should. His art is so cool although you can't really tell the
> difference between Paige and Emma sometimes. He did a great job with the
> darkness in iss.25

I think it's the colorist...usually Paige's hair has more of a yellowish
tinge...still, I prefer his artwork on Death: The High Cost of Living.
He's a great artist, though.

> Number 4 is Adam Kubert because he's a damn good penciler. All I have to
> say is check out Wolverine 102 for his best work.

Don't read Wolverine...sorry.

Peace,
Vince Yim
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Thomas Boij

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Vince Yim wrote:

> No female X-artists? What about Jan Duursema? What about...uh...um...I
> think she's the only one...but she's pretty good. I'm not a really big
> fan of her work, but she does a more than adequate job. She also
> graduated from Kubert's school...did you know that?

Are you sure Jan is a female? I always thought it was a Norwegian male.
It's a pretty common name here in Scandinavia. And Duursema sound
Norwegian too.

Thomas

Vince Yim

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Oh, as in Jan DeBont (director of "Speed"), right? In an article done
by Wizard magazine, Jan Duursema is listed as one of the few female
artists to graduate from the Kubert School of Graphic Art and
Design...so, make of that what you will...

Paul O'Brien

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Apr 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/7/97
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Thomas Boij <goran...@swipnet.se> writes:

>Are you sure Jan is a female? I always thought it was a Norwegian male.
>It's a pretty common name here in Scandinavia. And Duursema sound
>Norwegian too.

Last I heard, Jan was female and Dutch. I think.


Paul O'Brien
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