Kate the short!!!!!!
Christopher Sunday
Comics! All thing that is produced by Marvel is in someway connected in
the X-men universe! Maybe not in the Marvel comic universe but in the
Marvel universe!!!! Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
in this newsgroup!
Brian Hance
Chris, go check out Kate's homepage where she is the OFFICAL faq
keeper for a bunch of racmx faqs.
http://www.enteract.com/~katew/faqs/ if you're lost. There is lots
and lots of stuff you should read there that will make you're stay on
racmx much nicer.
And a general rule of thumb, if kate says something, it's probably
official and a good idea to listen. She's good at this.
---
Brian Hance bha...@primenet.com
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"How extravagant you are, throwing away women like that. Some day they
may be scarce."
Claude Rains in "Casablanca"
Soleil Lapierre
this week...
An infinite monkey named Christopher Sunday wrote:
> OK kate enough of your complaining about what said about the X-men
> Comics!
Hey, what about me? And all the other dinos? We netcop this stuff too! We
demand to be railed against as much as Kate! :)
> All thing that is produced by Marvel is in someway connected in
> the X-men universe!
Show me how Shogun Warriors, Video Jack and Someplace Strange are X-related.
BTW, Marvel Universe stuff that's not _directly_ related to the X-books
belongs next door in rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe. Neat, huh?
> Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
> X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
> dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
> games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
> opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
> in this newsgroup!
We're trying to, but loose cannons like you keep getting in the way.
--
/* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre, Co-Maintainer of the Magik Timeline:
* http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/comics/
*
* "Someday we'll look back on all this, laugh nervously, and
* change the subject." - Unknown
*/
Alleigh
(Christopher Sunday) wrote:
>OK kate enough of your complaining about what said about the X-men
>Comics! All thing that is produced by Marvel is in someway connected in
>the X-men universe! Maybe not in the Marvel comic universe but in the
>Marvel universe!!!! Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
>X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
>dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
>games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
>opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
>in this newsgroup!
>
Because if you actually read the FAQ and the messages that people
e-mail/post (they are usually nice) you will see that this newsgroup
is for discussion of the X-Men COMICS only - the Movies, TV shows, and
Video go into rec.arts.comics.other-media . And the Action Figures and
Toys go on of the toy newsgroups (sorry don't have the newsgroup
name). Always think it is interesting that people (newbies usually)
start trying to say they can post whatever they like because they
think the title of a newsgroup means something else. You don't go into
somone else's club and do what you please and say that their rules are
wrong (in this case the FAQ which clearly states what is on-topic and
off-topic)
Kate the Short -- Spamblocked!
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) sat on the sofa and said:
>OK kate enough of your complaining about what said about the X-men
>Comics! All thing that is produced by Marvel is in someway connected in
>the X-men universe! Maybe not in the Marvel comic universe but in the
>Marvel universe!!!! Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
>X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
>dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
>games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
>opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
>in this newsgroup!
You're an idiot. You also misunderstand the point of the charters of
the newsgroups. Regardless of whether you feel they're right or wrong,
they're what has been voted on and generally agreed upon.
Additionally, if you have something to say directly to me, it's easier
to email me-- IF you can figure out how to take out the spamblock. It
shouldn't be that hard.
kate.
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Marty Blase
>
> Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
> X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
> dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
> games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
> opinion about it!
Okay, this may require a bit of an explanation:
For a long time, the X-movie discussion was handled exclusively on this
newsgroup. It got unwieldy. Similarly, other comics-related discussion
groups were getting tired of threads regarding movies, cartoons, etc. when
all they wanted to discuss were the *comics*. (The newsgroup is in the
rec.arts.comics hierarchy, after all, not rec.arts.movies or
rec.arts.television.)
However, there was clearly some ambiguity about where comic-related movies
*should* be discussed. And so, a proposal was made for a brand-new
rec.arts.comics.other-media newsgroup, which would be the exclusive home for
discussion about comics-related cartoons, movies, toys, action figures, and
what have you. Its charter was made to reflect that, and X-movie and cartoon
threads became officially off-topic on the racm.xbooks newsgroup.
This isn't net.copping or anything like that. We're all experienced
Usenetizens, and we understand that this is a level playing field here. But
you may as well know that the rac.other-media newsgroup is *intended* as a
home for X-movie threads, and as such if you post your comments there you
will get ten times more discussion and feedback than you ever will here.
So why debate the X-movie someplace where only *you* want to see it, when
you can go just two newsgroups down and debate it where *everyone* wants to
see it? It just makes more sense. :-)
- Blaze: don't dis the Kate. She knows what she's talking about.
Vermilion
>OK kate enough of your complaining about what said about the X-men
>Comics! All thing that is produced by Marvel is in someway connected in
>the X-men universe! Maybe not in the Marvel comic universe but in the
>Marvel universe!!!! Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
>X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
>dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
>games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
>opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
>in this newsgroup!
Ahhhhhhhhh, I love the smell of September in the morning. Smells like
ignorance.
- Vermilion, who wants to put a mandatory 2 week lurklock and
autoFAQdownload routine on all WebTV systems.
Brandon Blatcher
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
> OK kate enough of your complaining about what said about the X-men
> Comics! All thing that is produced by Marvel is in someway connected in
> the X-men universe! Maybe not in the Marvel comic universe but in the
> Marvel universe!!!! Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
> X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
> dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
> games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
> opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
> in this newsgroup!
Just the FAQS sir:
http://www.enteract.com/~katew/faqs/
Mind you, I tend to agree with you, but if you're going to argue these
things, you must read the FAQS to know where she, and no doubt others,
will be coming from. If you feel as though you must break the rules, at
least understand them.
Jim Smith
>
> OK kate enough of your complaining about what said about the X-men
> Comics! All thing that is produced by Marvel is in someway connected in
> the X-men universe! Maybe not in the Marvel comic universe but in the
> Marvel universe!!!! Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
> X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
> dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
> games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
> opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
> in this newsgroup!
1) Clara's not here, so I say Kate gets a pastry. Don't see Charlie
either, so I'm giving her a delicious fruit pie. It's two, two, TWO
grand traditions in one!
2) There's a *really* good WebTV joke to be had here, but I'll pass it
up.
3) It's high time someone held a CFV to see if we still want raco-m.
I'm still of the opinion that the benefits (and the group's traffic)
aren't worth quasi-weekly tirades from Mr. Sunday and the like.
4) You talk to Kate like this again, I will personally lead the army
that punks you all over the place. Unless drh decides to do it, in
which case I will gracefully take a back seat and just yell "What he
said!"
Now that the obvious is out of the way...
Surprising though it may be, Christopher, you alone do not control the
subject matter of this newsgroup. It's determined by the populus in a
series of votes. When there was just rec.arts.comics, the people voted
to split X-stuff off into a separate group. A few years later the
people (probably different people--the net grows exponentially) voted to
split all non-comics material into a new group,
rec.arts.comics.other-media.
Are the people stupid? You betcha. Traffic on raco-m barely warrants
an alt* group, let alone a rec* group. (I think my news server received
a total of 20 posts to it in July.) But they outnumber you and they
were here when the vote was held, and they generally like it when their
decisions stand. So, unless you're going to include the people in your
sweeping changes to the rec.arts.comics* community (there's that CFV I
was talking about), knock it off.
And for heaven's sake, quit ragging on my pal. She didn't make the
rules; she just illuminates them for people. It's a thankless job, and
you don't accomplish anything by making it harder on her. Unless you
count making a *lot* of enemies as "accomplishing anything"...
Jim Smith
Paul O'Brien
Christopher Sunday <CLS1...@webtv.net> writes
>Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
>X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
>dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
>games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
>opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
>in this newsgroup!
Go away and come back when you've read the charter, which many
other people who can be arsed being polite are kindly giving you
the URL for.
Paul O'Brien
pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~prob/
My faith in anaesthetic is restored.
Pyrephox18
>>Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
>>X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
>>dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
>>games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
>>opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
>>in this newsgroup!
Actually, it doesn't. If that's all you want to talk about, then it's just as
easy to go over to other-media and talk about it as it is to scream about it
over here. If you want to talk about *both*, then subscribe to other-media and
put the posts that belong there, there- and put the posts that belong here,
here. Or, if you want, try and create a newgroup that discusses everything at
once. Just stop being such a dimwit about it, please.
Pyrephox- retreating to lurkerdom, once again.
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"Quit Grovelling! When I want you on your knees, I'll tell you."
- From a Button.
DarkGambit
> > Comics!
And her complaining would be any different from about 99.44% of the
posterd on this newsgroup? Geez, she helps run the damn newsgroup, she
should be able to complain more then anyone...
All thing that is produced by Marvel is in someway connected in
> > the X-men universe! Maybe not in the Marvel comic universe but in the
> > Marvel universe!!!! Anything dealing with anything about X-men,Uncanny
> > X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and anything else
> > dealing with this subject as in TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video
> > games all has the right to be discussed here by anyone who has an
> > opinion about it! So stop complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had
> > in this newsgroup!
Action Figures are a TOYS newsgroup thing. Video Games would be a VIDEO
GAMES newsgroup thing. TV and MOVIES, according to the rules, go to the
MEDIA thing. So, NO, none of those belong here by the rules of the
newsgroup.
Kate kicks ass. I'd stand behind the guy who's standing behind the guy
saying "What he said" saying "What that dude just said with a cherry on
top!"
Regards,
R.V.
Christopher Sunday
wanting to talk about X stuff that intrest them. I've been going on this
newsgroup for a month now and I still see people talk about stuff
dealing with X-movie and TV and seen a lot of you getting into the
conversation so don't sart complaining about going to the other
newsgroup to talk about it! And just because Kate seems to be the leader
of this group and seems to want things her way as well as the rest of
you shouldn't pick on the new people who come to this group. There are a
lot of new people out there who are new to the INTERNET and trying to
get the hang of it as I am! If they want to talk about the possible
X-movie, let them talk about the X-movie. just stay out of the
conversation. I've seen a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with
X-book like seeing Spiderman,Avengers, and other stuff that has nothing
to deal with this group. So just be happy that there are people out
there like me with the opportunity to be in the discussion of things
like is Cable,Nate, and Rachael do they share the same soul? or which
X-men is going to die? or Who is going to be in the cast of the X-movie!
I didn't want to start a fight, I just want to have a discussion about
something that not only intrests me but other Marvel fans and if you
don't want to discuss it then don't join in!
Christopher Sunday
related material so they don't have to goto an all media site which
talks about stuff other than X-men. then when someone whose look through
a list of the newgroups and sees one for X-men related material then
maybe people will got there and stop ruining your little click of people
who hate everyone else in here who just want to voice their opinions
about things that intrest them.
MT
>
> OK kate enough of your complaining about what said about the X-men
> the Marvel universe!!!! Anything dealing with anything about
> X-men,Uncanny X-men ,X-man ,X-force , Cable,Generation X,Excaliber,and
> anything else dealing with this subject as in
> TV,Movies,Toys,ActionFigures, and Video games all has the right to be
> discussed here by anyone who has an opinion about it! So stop
> complaining! just enjoy all the fun thats had in this newsgroup!
Kate - 4
Al - 2
Newbie - 0
Chris, you might want to know a few things before you try something
stupid like this again.
First, Kate the Short helped found this NG and decide on its charter.
She helps keep it fun, and tons of people on this NG respect her opinion
more than yours.
Second, you are the only one complaining about anything (Specifically,
her keeping this NG on-topic). Don't pass your faults onto someone else
in such an obvious manner.
Third, the guy apologized for his mistake (I think; it's secondhand
info from a post I just read, and my news server is messed up right
now). If he did, then he's agreeing with Kate and doing better. You're
fighting the lost cause.
Fourth, you're a newbie. Don't dictate what's right and what's wrong.
--
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Kate the Short -- Spamblocked!
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) sat on the sofa and said:
>Fine, OK, All the new people who come to this newsgroup are stupid for
>wanting to talk about X stuff that intrest them.
No, they're smart for coming here to discuss the X-Men comics.
>I've been going on this
>newsgroup for a month now and I still see people talk about stuff
>dealing with X-movie and TV and seen a lot of you getting into the
>conversation so don't sart complaining about going to the other
>newsgroup to talk about it!
A lot = about 5-10 people, total, most of whom are also new. We also
get sales posts, and xxx posts (we aren't the xxx-men, ya know!), and
those are also misplaced.
Some of us *do* redirect (which doesn't equal complaining), but do so
through email, which is where this should have taken place anyways.
>And just because Kate seems to be the leader
>of this group and seems to want things her way as well as the rest of
>you shouldn't pick on the new people who come to this group.
I'm not the leader. Trust me on that. I'm just one of *many*
faq-keepers and general posters and readers of the group who have
developed the "rules" for the hierarchy (note-- all the comics groups
operate along these general lines), or know the "rules" for the
hierarchy, and/or prefer that those "rules" be followed.
I talk a lot. People seem to agree with what I say? Perhaps I happen
to agree with what they say. -shrug-
>There are a
>lot of new people out there who are new to the INTERNET and trying to
>get the hang of it as I am! If they want to talk about the possible
>X-movie, let them talk about the X-movie. just stay out of the
>conversation.
If they're new, isn't it better to *help* them get the hang of it?
Isn't it better to steer them to a place where people will *welcome*
discussion of a certain topic, instead of mocking them? Isn't it better
to help them fit in, so that they don't stick out like a sore thumb?
That's what I do. I point out (in private email), I redirect, I offer
help and assistance. Heck, I was a backup moderator for
news.newusers.questions after they passed the moderation CFV, and wrote
and designed half of the webpage. If you're new, I *strongly* suggest
that you read it. It's at http://www.enteract.com/~katew/nnq/ (that's a
mirror site; I only follow the NNQ updates now).
>I've seen a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with
>X-book like seeing Spiderman,Avengers, and other stuff that has nothing
>to deal with this group.
Yes? And? If it's in the wrong group, please feel free to politely
send a short email to that poster, saying that sales are welcomed in the
.marketplace newsgroup, or that spidey is welcomed in the
.marvel.universe newsgroup, or the like.
If it's generic spam, send a short complaint to the poster and his
postmaster.
>So just be happy that there are people out
>there like me with the opportunity to be in the discussion of things
>like is Cable,Nate, and Rachael do they share the same soul? or which
>X-men is going to die?
Yes!
>or Who is going to be in the cast of the X-movie!
Do it in rec.arts.comics.other-media! The posters there will *love*
you! Wouldn't you rather be loved?
>I didn't want to start a fight, I just want to have a discussion about
>something that not only intrests me but other Marvel fans and if you
>don't want to discuss it then don't join in!
And if it doesn't belong in this newsgroup, don't post it! :)
Elizabeth Celeste
>1) Clara's not here, so I say Kate gets a pastry. Don't see Charlie
>either, so I'm giving her a delicious fruit pie. It's two, two, TWO
>grand traditions in one!
She is definately deserving of a pastry. I personally want to offer
her a lutefisk, in honor of my upcoming trip to Minnesota, and the
past history.
>3) It's high time someone held a CFV to see if we still want raco-m.
>I'm still of the opinion that the benefits (and the group's traffic)
>aren't worth quasi-weekly tirades from Mr. Sunday and the like.
I think that it's helped a lot that the Xmen cartoon is no longer
being shown. THe Cartoon did it's best to compete with the movie as a
discussion topic for a while. I remember life before OM, and as
awkward and awful as it is, I'm happy not to be swamped with the
endless suggestion of Patrick Stewart as Xavier anymore.
>4) You talk to Kate like this again, I will personally lead the army
>that punks you all over the place. Unless drh decides to do it, in
>which case I will gracefully take a back seat and just yell "What he
>said!"
What with Andrew being in the States and not posting as much, I'm
quite willing to serve as a freelance Enforcer if need be. I'm pretty
much a Dino at this point anyway.
I've even earned "she who will not be named" status on certian mailing
lists...
Elizabeth, who as a piece of topicality, notes that she vastly enjoyed
this weeks XForce.
etwi...@helios.acomp.usf.edu Elizabeth Celeste elizc...@yahoo.com
"At the Crossroads of Disaster and an Imperfect Smile"
Matthew J Wilson
Alleigh
(Christopher Sunday) wrote:
>Fine, OK, All the new people who come to this newsgroup are stupid for
>wanting to talk about X stuff that intrest them. I've been going on this
>newsgroup for a month now and I still see people talk about stuff
>dealing with X-movie and TV and seen a lot of you getting into the
Which of us that you say are participating in those threads have told
you that they are off-topic. Hey I was pissed at Kate when she told me
I was wrong way back when I came on board - but now I understand why
it is necessary to politely tell people that it is the wrong
newsgroup. I have never seen Kate be mean except if provoked (not many
times)
>conversation so don't sart complaining about going to the other
>newsgroup to talk about it! And just because Kate seems to be the leader
>of this group and seems to want things her way as well as the rest of
Someone explained why it is like that - basically its off-topic go to
another newsgroup where it is on-topic.
>you shouldn't pick on the new people who come to this group. There are a
>lot of new people out there who are new to the INTERNET and trying to
>get the hang of it as I am! If they want to talk about the possible
>X-movie, let them talk about the X-movie. just stay out of the
>conversation. I've seen a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with
There is a newsgroup and people usually just politely tell them of the
newsgroup and explain that this is not right. How dare you think you
can come onto an established newsgroup and change the rules? Would you
join the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, or any other organization with set
rules and say "to hell with it" I think that the Boy Scouts should
dress in green who cares if the "uniforms" are blue or whatever. The
group has an established charter and FAQ and the FAQ is posted each
month and if you mess up (most people do it every once and a while)
and someone politely tells you that it is the wrong newsgroup I think
you should follow the "rules" established in the FAQ - otherwise you
are just a whiney person who thinks "rules" are for everyone but you.
>X-book like seeing Spiderman,Avengers, and other stuff that has nothing
Every once in a while we have OT discussions or a book such as Spidey,
Avengers has an X-Person in it - I would think that most of the time
totally OT posts about other books would recieve e-mails about them
being OT.
>to deal with this group. So just be happy that there are people out
>there like me with the opportunity to be in the discussion of things
>like is Cable,Nate, and Rachael do they share the same soul? or which
>X-men is going to die? or Who is going to be in the cast of the X-movie!
>I didn't want to start a fight, I just want to have a discussion about
>something that not only intrests me but other Marvel fans and if you
>don't want to discuss it then don't join in!
So you are basically saying that "rules" don't count if you think they
are wrong.
Christopher Sunday
hear from other people when they complain about it!
Christopher Sunday
you think that the tv show and upcomming movie doesn't fit in this group
because you all think that it has nothing to do with the comic book.
well your wrong! The tv show and possible the movie is part of the
comics just in a differet format! Just like some people read comics
,Marvel made their popular stories into a Tv show just to make some
people get into the comics. Now the action figures! you also say they
don't belong here because they don't belong to the comics. wrong again!
the series called Marvels Most Wanted deals with the most popular comic
characters like X-man, Blink, and Spat and Grovel. Other figures made
were Gambit and Rogue( in their Shi-Ar space gear) from the issues when
they where in space fighting the phalanx. Since thats the way they were
in the comics which mean they are part of this newsgroups. you said
anything about the comics! Now Toy Biz is making figure based of the
comcs so anything about them too is allowed. Mostly the reason you think
that all the other stuff doesn't belong here is because you just don't
want to talk about! And since you said she helped start this NG you
would think she would be a true X-men fan by letting people say what
ever thing they wanted. After all her in the U.S.A i though we had a
thing called free speech and until someon of authority says other wise i
can but anything here I want concerning about the X-men even if it about
the movie, tv series, toys, or comic books! Last time I checked this
thing is free to anyone who has access.
Matthew J Wilson
>I'm not dictating whats right or wrong. I just think that just because
>you think that the tv show and upcomming movie doesn't fit in this group
>because you all think that it has nothing to do with the comic book.
>well your wrong! The tv show and possible the movie is part of the
>comics just in a differet format! Just like some people read comics
You know, you've killed your own argument here. Yes, they're the comic in
a different format. But, being in a different format, they're not comics,
are they? And thus they're off topic in a comics newsgroup. If this was
rec.xbooks, or rec.fan.xbooks, you'd have a leg to stand on. It's not.
It's rec.arts._comics_.xbooks. Note the "comics".
>,Marvel made their popular stories into a Tv show just to make some
>people get into the comics. Now the action figures! you also say they
>don't belong here because they don't belong to the comics. wrong again!
>the series called Marvels Most Wanted deals with the most popular comic
>characters like X-man, Blink, and Spat and Grovel. Other figures made
>were Gambit and Rogue( in their Shi-Ar space gear) from the issues when
>they where in space fighting the phalanx. Since thats the way they were
>in the comics which mean they are part of this newsgroups. you said
>anything about the comics! Now Toy Biz is making figure based of the
>comcs so anything about them too is allowed. Mostly the reason you think
>that all the other stuff doesn't belong here is because you just don't
>want to talk about! And since you said she helped start this NG you
>would think she would be a true X-men fan by letting people say what
>ever thing they wanted. After all her in the U.S.A i though we had a
>thing called free speech and until someon of authority says other wise i
>can but anything here I want concerning about the X-men even if it about
>the movie, tv series, toys, or comic books! Last time I checked this
>thing is free to anyone who has access.
So the fact that it's free to walk down the road means I have a God-given
right to dance in traffic? You have a really low life expectancy with
that atitude, you know.
Oh, yeah - we aren't "here in the U.S.A". You're on the internet, where
one of the guiding factors is consideration for other people, as opposed
to the childish selfishness you're displaying.
--
Matt.
Pyrephox18
>The tv show and possible the movie is part of the
>comics just in a differet format!
Ahem... the keywords here are *different format*. They are *not* comic books.
Therefore they are not on-topic here. Why is this so hard to understand?
>Now the action figures! you also say they
>don't belong here because they don't belong to the comics.
They don't belong here because they are *not* comics. They are toys. You could
discuss them to your heart's content on other-media, and people will be *happy*
with it. Discuss it here, and you will end up making people very unhappy.
>Mostly the reason you think
>that all the other stuff doesn't belong here is because you just don't
>want to talk about!
Bingo! That's why we aren't in the *correct* newsgroup for this discussion.
>After all her in the U.S.A i though we had a
>thing called free speech and until someon of authority says other wise
Have you checked the rules of your ISP referring to newsgroups? Most of them
will get upset if it is reported that you repeatedly violate the charter of a
newsgroup. That's authority.
Pyrephox- *grumble*
Jim Smith
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
> Fine, OK, All the new people who come to this newsgroup are stupid for
> wanting to talk about X stuff that intrest them.
You're not stupid.
Now, if you think that a newsgroup with "xbooks" in the name is automatically
your one-stop place to discuss X-Men in all media, you're wrong. That's just
the way it is. racmx is for X-Men comics, and raco-m is for X-everything
else. We took a vote.
I think it sucks, too, actually. Notice how I don't pick on Kate the Short,
though, because she isn't responsible.
I've been going on this
> newsgroup for a month now and I still see people talk about stuff
> dealing with X-movie and TV and seen a lot of you getting into the
> conversation so don't sart complaining about going to the other
> newsgroup to talk about it!
See, I stopped giving a damn, because it's pretty easy to skip over X-movie
and X-novel posts. (And when was the last time anyone brought up that crap
cartoon? Eggh.) Heck, I hardly even care about the comics anymore, for that
matter.
What I care about is my friend, and muvsteppers gettin' on her case. Seems
like every month some newbie like you is informing her that she's the Bitch
of Buchenwald or some such nonsense, because they can't cast Hallie Berry as
Mister Sinister here. I hate it, mainly because she does the work of ten
netcops, and it's either stand up for her or actually pull my weight.
(Pulling my weight sucks.)
And just because Kate seems to be the leader
> of this group and seems to want things her way
Kate's telling you what a whole mess of people decided on. Like I say, there
was a vote. I don't even know Kate voted, for cripessakes. Why you pickin'
on her?
And she's not our leader. Cats I have named for her. Half of Chicago I have
trekked through with her. Oh, and her husband's cool too. But she's not my
leader. (There's a really good height joke here, but I'll pass on it.)
as well as the rest of
> you shouldn't pick on the new people who come to this group.
See, let's look at what happened here:
1) Kate told you how the rac* heirarchy worked. I bet she was real nice.
2) You picked on Kate. I picked on you.
Hmm...what can be learned from this?
Jim Smith
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Maggie the Cat
Christopher Sunday <CLS1...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<22110-35...@newsd-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> I'm not dictating whats right or wrong. I just think that just because
> you think that the tv show and upcomming movie doesn't fit in this group
> because you all think that it has nothing to do with the comic book.
> well your wrong!
I thought you just said you weren't "dictating what's right or wrong"?
> Mostly the reason you think
> that all the other stuff doesn't belong here is because you just don't
> want to talk about! And since you said she helped start this NG you
> would think she would be a true X-men fan by letting people say what
> ever thing they wanted. After all her in the U.S.A i though we had a
> thing called free speech and until someon of authority says other wise i
> can but anything here I want concerning about the X-men even if it about
> the movie, tv series, toys, or comic books!
That's absolutely true, free speech is an inalienable right. You're also
correct that most of us don't want to talk about the other media-related
X-Men stuff.
In fact, dear, if you're so fired up after your diatribes about your
constitutional rights, why don't you start you OWN newsgroup where you can
talk about whatever you like and stop insulting a group with an established
set of rules? If you're such a wild, rebellious guy that you will fight to
the death anyone who doesn't want to hear you talk about Jim Carrey as
Cyclops or the new Cable fashion doll or whatever else it is you're
interested in, then you're probably independent enough to strike out on
your own and leave us dinosaurs in peace, hmmm?
Maggie the Cat
magg...@rocketmail.com
Jim Smith
etwi...@helios.acomp.usf.edu (Elizabeth Celeste) wrote:
> Jim Smith <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >3) It's high time someone held a CFV to see if we still want raco-m.
> >I'm still of the opinion that the benefits (and the group's traffic)
> >aren't worth quasi-weekly tirades from Mr. Sunday and the like.
> I think that it's helped a lot that the Xmen cartoon is no longer
> being shown. THe Cartoon did it's best to compete with the movie as a
> discussion topic for a while.
Then there's the fact it sucked. I hate the fact it more or less spoiled Dark
Phoenix for me.
I remember life before OM, and as
> awkward and awful as it is, I'm happy not to be swamped with the
> endless suggestion of Patrick Stewart as Xavier anymore.
What's most important to me (as has always been) is that my news server gets
more meta discussion *about* raco-m, like this thread, than actual posts *to*
raco-m. No one uses it. Various proponents of raco-m (who all seem to admit
they wanted the ghetto group they got, which irks me) insist that people
should use the group instead of complaining about it, but I think it's better
to kill two birds with one stone: Remove raco-m and use the other 14 rac*
groups to discuss other media.
I mean, racmx is so high-traffic that a takeover attempt by those guys I won't
name is barely even noticed. Would a thread about X-casting kill anybody?
> Elizabeth, who as a piece of topicality, notes that she vastly enjoyed
> this weeks XForce.
Ummm...don't read X-Force. I'll just start over.
ObXbooks: OK, *now* the Maggott/GenX thing is a way to "wrap up" his story.
Um, gee, thanks for bringing me into the X-books with a character who only
stuck around for a year while you planned an eternal crossover, guys. Yeah,
it's not as if the rest of the characters need a break after twenty years of
slobberingly devoted focus, huh? How could we ignore Kitty Prude for more
than twenty minutes?
Ah, I liked it better as an outsider anyway--you get into less arguments when
you don't understand what's going on. And I can use the two bucks to buy
something that's getting cancelled before it could screw me over.
Soleil Lapierre
> Fine, OK, All the new people who come to this newsgroup are stupid for
> wanting to talk about X stuff that intrest them.
No, they're just stupid if they don't lurk for a while and read the rules.
> And just because Kate seems to be the leader
> of this group and seems to want things her way as well as the rest of
She's not our leader. She's just the one who does the dirty work, and we
thank her for it.
> you shouldn't pick on the new people who come to this group. There are a
> lot of new people out there who are new to the INTERNET and trying to
> get the hang of it as I am!
The Internet is not a jump-in medium. Especially not Usenet. If you
expect to learn by jumping in and making mistakes, you're going to tread
on a *lot* of toes, make a bad rep for yourself and spoil your own
enjoyment. Do you *like* getting a whole bunch of people telling you off
like this?
Always read the rules first, or at the very least sit back and watch for
a while.
> conversation. I've seen a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with
> X-book like seeing Spiderman,Avengers, and other stuff that has nothing
> to deal with this group.
Yeah, and they don't belong here either unless they're mentioned is
relation to the X-Books.
> like is Cable,Nate, and Rachael do they share the same soul? or which
> X-men is going to die? or Who is going to be in the cast of the X-movie!
One of these topics is not like the others.
--
/* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre, Co-Maintainer of the Magik Timeline:
* http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/comics/
*
* I'm not Picard.
*/
Soleil Lapierre
An infinite monkey named Christopher Sunday wrote:
> I'm not dictating whats right or wrong. I just think that just because
> you think that the tv show and upcomming movie doesn't fit in this group
> because you all think that it has nothing to do with the comic book.
> well your wrong! The tv show and possible the movie is part of the
> comics just in a differet format!
Well, *that* is a subject in itself. :)
I personally don't see much connection between the X-cartoon and the
comics. But I think (and I'm going by gut feel here since I haven't
checked) that if I were to debate that topic I would do it in rac.o-m.
> Just like some people read comics
> ,Marvel made their popular stories into a Tv show just to make some
> people get into the comics. Now the action figures! you also say they
> don't belong here because they don't belong to the comics. wrong again!
No, right again. I don't care about the world of action figures.
> in the comics which mean they are part of this newsgroups. you said
> anything about the comics! Now Toy Biz is making figure based of the
> comcs so anything about them too is allowed. Mostly the reason you think
No, no, no! It's not transitive! We want to talk about the _comics_, not
about stuff *based* on the comics!
> ever thing they wanted. After all her in the U.S.A i though we had a
> thing called free speech
You may have. You're ignoring several important facts here:
1) There are a large number of non-U.S. rezzies here. Canadians, Israelis,
lots of British, a few French, several Finns, and so on and so on...
2) The Internet is not democratic. Neither is Usenet. If it were it would be
rendered worthless by the first round of majority-rules voting, given the
kind of people they let online these days.
And don't bother calling my attitude fascist or unamerican or whatever,
because it damn well *is*, and I'm proud of it!
> and until someon of authority says other wise i
> can but anything
Hello! Awaken from your dreamlike state silly human! Kate is an
authority. As are Jim, drh and the rest of us who have been here for more
than a couple of months and know what's what.
> here I want concerning about the X-men even if it about
> the movie, tv series, toys, or comic books! Last time I checked this
> thing is free to anyone who has access.
Anyone can post here, and we welcome new blood. Just stay within the
rules. There are thousands of other newsgroups out there, and they each
have their own rules. If they didn't, there would be no point in having
seperate newsgroups, would there? We'd just have a couple of million
people shouting in the same place about every topic under the sun.
--
/* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre, Co-Maintainer of the Magik Timeline:
* http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/comics/
*
* "The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations."
* - Celia Green
*/
awa...@london.newsquest.co.uk
Jim Smith <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 1) Clara's not here, so I say Kate gets a pastry. Don't see Charlie
> either, so I'm giving her a delicious fruit pie. It's two, two, TWO
> grand traditions in one!
Proper pies contain meat, depite what the colonials have debased
them into. Behave, or the eight-fold runic circles will be broken,
the rune-encrusted bolt will be drawn back, and the Pie the Walks
like a Man will be unleashed upon all those who misname fruit
products as "pies".
--
Alasdair Watson. Support Newhoo!
http://www.newhoo.com
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CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
> of this group and seems to want things her way as well as the rest of
Yes. Kate is our leader. Kate is the one true way. We worship Kate.
Eeny-Oony-wah! Eeny-Oony-wah!
> There are a
> lot of new people out there who are new to the INTERNET and trying to
> get the hang of it as I am!
Have you read the charter for this group? Have you read any of the
rac.* FAQs? Did you even look in news.announce.newusers? Did you
read news.newusers.questions?
> If they want to talk about the possible
> X-movie, let them talk about the X-movie. just stay out of the
> conversation.
Fine. Will you be paying my phone bill? You see, this is the
cruicial reason behind things like the X-movie being somewhere
else.
When I first showed up here, in addition to making as much of
a tit of myself as you just have, there was much X-movie drivel
going on. It was mildly interesting. About 2 weeks later,
it was very dull indeed. Now, I have a modem through which
I get my internet access. So, in addition to the tenner a
month for the account, I get to pay phone bills (by the
minute). And this means that while my news is downloading
my phone bill is going up.
When the vote came round to put the X-movie traffic somewhere
else, I went for it, so it wouldn't cost me more cash for
stuff I didn't want. So did the requisite number of other
people. This explicitly made X-movie stuff off topic
here and on-topic in rac.o-m.
So now, I get RACMX in the assumption that what I'm paying
to download is not going to have the X-movie crap I
don't want to see in it. What right have you to drive
my phone bill up? Now, If another vote comes around
setting it back such that X-movie stuff is on-topic
here, then I'll shut up, because a democratic majority
of the people have decided that they want it back here,
and at that point I have a choice of stopping getting
racmx, or putting up with what it's netizens want.
Alleigh
(Christopher Sunday) wrote:
>I'm not dictating whats right or wrong. I just think that just because
>you think that the tv show and upcomming movie doesn't fit in this group
>because you all think that it has nothing to do with the comic book.
>well your wrong! The tv show and possible the movie is part of the
Has anyone said it has nothing to do with the comic book? I have seen
posts saying it has nothing to do with this newsgroup - which dicusses
the comics not the TV shows, movies, cartoons.....
But in actuallity the movie will have little to do with the books -
the story will not be an adaptation it will have the characters but
not much more than that.
>comics just in a differet format! Just like some people read comics
>,Marvel made their popular stories into a Tv show just to make some
>people get into the comics. Now the action figures! you also say they
They don't belong because it takes up to much room in the newsgroup =
that is why there is another newsgroup - I think you are too buisy
trying to make your point (which others probably agree with on
principle (sp ?)) but they are off-topic because it would take up too
much room and make the board for the comic stories too cluttered. As
is there are 100's of new posts a day - I don't think I want to have
to wade through a lot more to deal with something I really don't want
to discuss - I already have to do that with some on-topic posts
>don't belong here because they don't belong to the comics. wrong again!
>the series called Marvels Most Wanted deals with the most popular comic
>characters like X-man, Blink, and Spat and Grovel. Other figures made
>were Gambit and Rogue( in their Shi-Ar space gear) from the issues when
>they where in space fighting the phalanx. Since thats the way they were
>in the comics which mean they are part of this newsgroups. you said
>anything about the comics! Now Toy Biz is making figure based of the
>comcs so anything about them too is allowed. Mostly the reason you think
>that all the other stuff doesn't belong here is because you just don't
>want to talk about! And since you said she helped start this NG you
Did you read the responses to your tirade - someone explained why the
new newsgroup was created. It was because people didn't want those
topic to clutter the neswgroup - and it passed its not the rest of our
faults (those who weren't here) for that ruling but it took place
therefore you and I and everyone else must abide by that choice. You
don't like it start a new newsgroup that encompasses (sp?) the enire
X-Men line including the extremely loosely based TV, cartoon, comics,
and movie stuff,
>would think she would be a true X-men fan by letting people say what
>ever thing they wanted. After all her in the U.S.A i though we had a
And tech you dork - this is an international newsgroup - if we want
strict rules we can have them. So you can keep posting off-topic and
we can continue to ignore you or tell you that you are wrong its your
choice but we have the same right to do as we please - and a lot of us
choose to abide by the set "guidelines" of the newsgroup.
>thing called free speech and until someon of authority says other wise i
>can but anything here I want concerning about the X-men even if it about
Freshie
(Christopher Sunday) wrote:
>There are a
>lot of new people out there who are new to the INTERNET and trying to
>get the hang of it as I am! If they want to talk about the possible
>X-movie, let them talk about the X-movie.
Hey lots of people talk about the X-Men movie but they do it on
rec.art.comics.other-media, were they are much more interested in it.
As far as off-topic chat, yes it does happen now and again. the
latest and greatest case was the slew of homosexuality debates that
happened. But actually at one point is was on-topic. Basically it
was about the similarities between UXM #359 and a "Cure for
Homosexuality" ad that ran in the New York Times. Yes that went a
little bit far.
But really you'll get a much larger response to X-Movie cast posts on
rec.arts.comics.other-media.
paranoia: the choice of a tech generation
http://www.silly.com/~tang
Christopher Sunday
wide varities of topics dealing with the X-men hen you can have your
little precious r.a.c.m.x unspoiled by others who want to discuss these
topics insted of having to goto a NG where people talk about everything
from the littlest flub in a film to casting of a stupid X-film to whats
the best mvie made.
Christopher Sunday
Christopher Sunday
going through this. and everybody would be happy insted of arguing over
this.
Vermilion
>P.S since when did you all put on you sam block! thats why you don't
>hear from other people when they complain about it!
Well, you know, it's just that Sam never has anything to say. He writes
and writes and writes, but it's always pages of stuff I don't wanna read. So
I figured a handy Sam block would keep all his emails from cluttering my
inbox. And damn effective, too.
- Vermilion, whose mail is 100% Sam-free.
Harlaquin1
>that is why there is another newsgroup - I think you are too buisy
>trying to make your point
So do these arguments.....
> but they are off-topic because it would take up too
>much room and make the board for the comic stories too cluttered.
So do these arguments....
..>. As
>is there are 100's of new posts a day - I don't think I want to have
>to wade through a lot more to deal with something I really don't want
>to discuss - I already have to do that with some on-topic posts
>
>
Same with these posts telling people not to discuss things........
I'm sick of reading all these posts, would you guys just stop argueing and
start discussing the X-Men, you're as bad as those who discuss off related
topics. Sorry but I couldn't take much more Craig ;-)
Vermilion
Well, I hesitate to speak for others on this group, but I ain't makin'
jack shit for you, you fruitcake. This is the internet, an every man/woman/
thing for him/her/itself kind of operation. You want to play on the racmx
playground, you follow the rules. If you want a different playground of your
own devising, YOU make it.
I do, however, feel compelled to warn you that, should you actually summon
up the initiative to get an RFD going (which this nearly is), you'd find
support for a new x-men newsgroup to be somewhere between slim and none. Even
if your proposed liberal democratic x-men group defy the odds and find itself
birthed onto the information highway, the _vast_ majority of posters would
remain with the tyrranical regime you know racmx to be. This "little precious
r.a.c.m.x" has thousands of posters, the great majority of whom must be
content with the present arrangement, or we'd hear more about it. As your
thread should tell you, you seem to be a force of one, standing against what
appears to be the combined might of the rest of the regulars, and the
all-powerful dinos (sometimes referred to as the Cabal). So, ummm, popular
support you do not have. Democracy sucks like that sometimes.
In short, you will not change racmx. If you wish to behave as if the
group has no customs or rules, you will swiftly be ostracized and ridiculed
(thems the breaks). You _can_ make your own Usenet group, or at least attempt
to. But you had damned well better get the notion of someone else making
it for you out of your head. You want it, YOU do it. I'll just sit here and
watch, perhaps revel in my dino-esque status and talk a bit about gophers.
- Vermilion, painting a little picture of how things are gonna be.
Alleigh
(Christopher Sunday) wrote:
>So just make a newsgroup for "morons" like me who like to talk about a
>wide varities of topics dealing with the X-men hen you can have your
>little precious r.a.c.m.x unspoiled by others who want to discuss these
>topics insted of having to goto a NG where people talk about everything
>from the littlest flub in a film to casting of a stupid X-film to whats
>the best mvie made.
>
Because you are the moron that wants that newsgroup - we don't you
make it.
David R. Henry
>And if it helps why don't someone start up a newsgroup about other X-men
>related material so they don't have to goto an all media site which
>talks about stuff other than X-men.
I see my old rule of thumb still holds:
If you have to ask how to make a newsgroup, you probably shouldn't
be proposing one in the first place.
>then when someone whose look through
>a list of the newgroups and sees one for X-men related material then
>maybe people will got there and stop ruining your little click of people
>who hate everyone else in here who just want to voice their opinions
>about things that intrest them.
Nobody hates you, Chris. Well, the Boogey Man does. But he hates
everybody. So he doesn't count.
--
dhe...@plains.nodak.edu * Lion Clan Nezumi * Rogue Fan Club * Fallen Writer
Just Five Words for Jerry Bruckheimer: Why machineguns on NASA spacecraft?
What was the question? --Kate Bush /// All you of Earth are IDIOTS! --P9fOS
Alleigh
(Christopher Sunday) wrote:
>So just make a newsgroup for "morons" like me who like to talk about a
>wide varities of topics dealing with the X-men hen you can have your
>little precious r.a.c.m.x unspoiled by others who want to discuss these
>topics insted of having to goto a NG where people talk about everything
>from the littlest flub in a film to casting of a stupid X-film to whats
>the best mvie made.
>
I think it is really interesting that you come onto an established
newsgroup go against the charter of the group and the group is wrong.
Not only that you have the audacity to say the rules established are
wrong and someone other than yourself should propose, organize and go
through the proper procedures to set up a newsgroup where you can be
lazy and not have to actually be on 2 WHOLE newsgroup. Get over - you
are wrong - you want a damn newsgroup where you can be lazy and not
have to click a whole other newsgroup for non-comic related X-Men
material then YOU CREATE THE NEWSGROUP. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT WANTS IT
NOT US - SO IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO START THE PROCEDURE TO CREATE
A NEW NEWSGROUP - - good luck getting people to vote for it and good
luck getting people to go to that newsgroup - if we weren't happy with
the current set-up I think we could change it. So stop your stupid
remarks about how you should be able to do what you want even if the
topics you want to "talk" about are tech off-topic. YOU CHOOSE TO ACT
LIKE A CHILD about this and then expect others to fix it. You want a
newsgroup that allows every aspect of the X-Men then ask how YOU (I
repeat YOU - not me, not Kate, not Jim, Soliel (sp ?), or any of the
others) can get a new newsgroup started - but I don't think you will
get much support - but go for it - and the fact that most people won't
(I know I wont's) got to two different X-Men groups you will be
fighting for the the same posters to participate on YOUR newsgroup and
this newsgroup. I don't think many would go to 2 groups.
David R. Henry
I just noticed that Christopher has a webtv account. The newest
generation of inductees to the Internet has arrived!
>And just because Kate seems to be the leader
>of this group and seems to want things her way as well as the rest of
>you shouldn't pick on the new people who come to this group.
I must say I'm tickled pink that it's Kate that's getting these
comments now, in place of me. Retirement: it's not just a career
choice!
>There are a
>lot of new people out there who are new to the INTERNET and trying to
>get the hang of it as I am!
That's right. And welcome to xbooks, Chris! However, while this may
strike you as odd, you ARE learning how to get the hang of it. Why,
just this week, you've learned the importance of newsgroup hierarchies,
and why we have charters for newsgroup discussion. Didn't know that
before, didya? So, now that you've stumbled and made a very easy
error, you can move beyond that and learn new things. That's how life
works. Don't worry about it.
Marty Blase
>
> And if it helps why don't someone start up a newsgroup about other X-men
> related material
We already have -- rec.arts.comics.other-media
> then when someone whose look through
> a list of the newgroups and sees one for X-men related material then
> maybe people will got there and stop ruining your little click of people
> who hate everyone else in here who just want to voice their opinions
> about things that intrest them.
We aren't a clique, we're a cabal. Big difference. :-)
Seriously, we try to redirect people to the appropriate newsgroups as
politely as possible; please excuse us if we seem a bit harsh after we've
had to do the same polite redirects two dozen times in a single week.
However, as a new Usenetizen, you should know that the first thing to do
before posting to any newsgroup is to read the appropriate FAQs and charters
to make sure such posts will be welcomed there. You wouldn't walk into the
Republican National Convention and start arguing about Roe v. Wade, just
because "this convention is all about politics, isn't it?" Same principle.
- Blaze: clarifier of fine points
David R. Henry
> First, Kate the Short helped found this NG and decide on its charter.
*cough* Urm...
>She helps keep it fun, and tons of people on this NG respect her opinion
>more than yours.
That part is true, though. To be fair to Christopher, that's because
she's been around for a long time. Chris could have the same status,
if he's willing to put in the time and energy into becoming a member
of our newsgroup, instead of the First Rebel.
Soleil Lapierre
> In article <12314-35C...@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
> > of this group and seems to want things her way as well as the rest of
> Yes. Kate is our leader. Kate is the one true way. We worship Kate.
> Eeny-Oony-wah! Eeny-Oony-wah!
Isn't it "Eeny-oony-wanah"?
Ob(desperately needed)Xbooks: Which X-characters post off-topic messages
to Usenet and start flaming people when they get a message from MU Kate? :)
I'd say Iceman, for sure. Logan would grumble but do as he's told. Kitty
and Doug would never make a mistake like that. Scott would humbly grovel
for forgiveness and be a model netizen thereafter, but Jean would
probably rant a bit before settling down for real discussions.
--
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Soleil Lapierre
> So just make a newsgroup for "morons" like me who like to talk about a
> wide varities of topics dealing with the X-men hen you can have your
If you insist on belittling yourself I'm not going to stop you, :)
but you're welcome to stay here if you want to talk about the X-Men
*comics*.
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*
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ASYLUM
(Christopher Sunday) wrote:
>I'm not dictating whats right or wrong. I just think that just because
>you think that the tv show and upcomming movie doesn't fit in this group
>because you all think that it has nothing to do with the comic book.
>well your wrong!
So, what you are saying is that we are wrong, and you are
right? Sorry to tell you dip shit, but you are completely out of line
here, dictating to us what you want. You need help...
>The tv show and possible the movie is part of the
>comics just in a differet format!
Really? Then why are the stories and team lineup's completely
different between the comics, cartoon and proposed movie? No, they are
not the same. I don't watch the cartoon and I won't see the movie. I
have no interest in seeing discussion on these topics, and if you have
any sense or p-erspective, you will have noticed that no one else wats
to see them on this newsgroup either!
>Just like some people read comics
>,Marvel made their popular stories into a Tv show just to make some
>people get into the comics. Now the action figures! you also say they
>don't belong here because they don't belong to the comics. wrong again!
Whose wrong? All of us?! Jesus boy. Go back to school, learn how to
spell/type and read, but come back when your brain cell has babies.
>the series called Marvels Most Wanted deals with the most popular comic
>characters like X-man, Blink, and Spat and Grovel. Other figures made
>were Gambit and Rogue( in their Shi-Ar space gear) from the issues when
>they where in space fighting the phalanx. Since thats the way they were
>in the comics which mean they are part of this newsgroups. you said
>anything about the comics! Now Toy Biz is making figure based of the
>comcs so anything about them too is allowed.
The key word there is *based*. The characters aren't *part* of the
comics, but *based* on the comics. We discuss the comics here, and if
you can't get that through your thick skull, well... bye!
>Mostly the reason you think
>that all the other stuff doesn't belong here is because you just don't
>want to talk about! And since you said she helped start this NG you
>would think she would be a true X-men fan by letting people say what
>ever thing they wanted.
No. She helped create this newsgroup and she is a true X-Men fan, but
more importantly she helped create this newsgroup, and has the right
to inform people about the FAQ and what is accecpted here, as dictated
by the masses. This isn't a dictatorship. This isn't a monarchy. This
is a democracy, and the people have spoken!
>After all her in the U.S.A i though we had a
>thing called free speech and until someon of authority says other wise i
And it happened numb-nuts! It is called a vote. The FAQ has been set
for a long time. Obey it or face the concequences...
>can but anything here I want concerning about the X-men even if it about
>the movie, tv series, toys, or comic books! Last time I checked this
>thing is free to anyone who has access.
What's your point? So is the libiary. That doesn't mean your going to
have a heavy metal concert in the music area of your libiary ust
because there are books on music there, does it? Think a little and
you may just figure out that is isn't us who's wrong, and the more you
argue the point, the more of a jack ass you make yourself out to be.
It's your choice.
Kingbob/Asylum/Skakore
The platapus was created right after marijuana.
Alleigh
>I'm sick of reading all these posts, would you guys just stop argueing and
>start discussing the X-Men, you're as bad as those who discuss off related
>topics. Sorry but I couldn't take much more Craig ;-)
Then don't read this thread - Someone (I think he knows who he is) is
acting like spoiled brat and will not see the point. He just keeps
whining.
Kate the Short -- Spamblocked!
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) sat on the sofa and said:
>And if it helps why don't someone start up a newsgroup about other X-men
>related material so they don't have to goto an all media site which
>talks about stuff other than X-men. then when someone whose look through
>a list of the newgroups and sees one for X-men related material then
>maybe people will got there and stop ruining your little click of people
>who hate everyone else in here who just want to voice their opinions
>about things that intrest them.
Why don't you do it? It isn't that difficult to create an alt.* group.
Go read alt.config (news:alt.config) for more information.
kate.
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Kate the Short -- Spamblocked!
MT <NOSPA...@jps.net> sat on the sofa and said:
> First, Kate the Short helped found this NG and decide on its charter.
>She helps keep it fun, and tons of people on this NG respect her opinion
>more than yours.
No, I didn't. rec.arts.comics.xbooks was proposed by tyg (I believe)
waaaaay back around 1991 or so. That's when its charter was written.
David R. Henry was its first FAQ-keeper. He's still around.
I voted to move the group when the CFV came to make it .marvel.xbooks
(when they also brought in .marvel.universe for the first time), back in
1995 or so. I and Jane Griffin took over FAQ duties. Marty's since
taken over FAQ duties for Jane.
I didn't help create the newsgroup, or the hierarchy, or the rules. I
just help to write them down, and point people to them. Yeah, I
proposed and helped to create rec.arts.comics.reviews (success) and
alt.comics.fandom (failure, unfortunately it was taken over by trolls),
but that isn't quite the same thing.
Point is, I didn't just come here and create the group and say that I
should be obeyed. I only write down the group consensus.
> Second, you are the only one complaining about anything (Specifically,
>her keeping this NG on-topic). Don't pass your faults onto someone else
>in such an obvious manner.
Nah, he's not the only one, but he's still definitely in the minority.
> Third, the guy apologized for his mistake (I think; it's secondhand
>info from a post I just read, and my news server is messed up right
>now). If he did, then he's agreeing with Kate and doing better. You're
>fighting the lost cause.
He did. I got a nice email from him and sent another nice one right
back! :)
> Fourth, you're a newbie. Don't dictate what's right and what's wrong.
He can dictate what's right and wrong in his opinion. That shouldn't be
taken away from anyone. But people who are newer to a newsgroup, even
if they've been on the net for years, should see what is different about
that group. Some groups netcop very strictly, and flame people to a
crisp, some are just relatively insistent (us, usually), some don't care
about on or off-topicness. It's a fine line, but it needs to be
learned.
Kate the Short -- Spamblocked!
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) sat on the sofa and said:
>I'm not dictating whats right or wrong. I just think that just because
>you think that the tv show and upcomming movie doesn't fit in this group
>because you all think that it has nothing to do with the comic book.
>well your wrong! The tv show and possible the movie is part of the
>comics just in a differet format!
Which is why there's a different newsgroup for it. Thank you for
playing.
>And since you said she helped start this NG you
>would think she would be a true X-men fan by letting people say what
>ever thing they wanted.
I'm a true fan of the comics. Not of everything X-related. And I know
enough about usenet to know that Usenet Is Not Like The Real World, and
that people categorize things *differently* here.
>After all her in the U.S.A i though we had a
>thing called free speech and until someon of authority says other wise i
>can but anything here I want concerning about the X-men even if it about
>the movie, tv series, toys, or comic books! Last time I checked this
>thing is free to anyone who has access.
1) This is an INTERNATIONAL newsgroup.
2) The first amendment only applies as far as your Internet Service
Provider allows it to apply. For example, if you say "fuck" on AOL, or
spam people with business messages, your account will get yanked so fast
your head will spin.
3) Most people have to pay for their access, often a flat rate in the US
plus phone bills, and often a PER-MINUTE or per-byte charge elsewhere.
4) You have freedom of speech, but I have the freedom to killfile you.
That means that I will not see any posts that you make to the newsgroup,
or to *any* newsgroup I read. That sorta prevents you and I from
communicating, doesn't it? If you piss people off to the point that
they don't want to listen to anything you have to say (about the movie
or otherwise), you've lost the whole point for coming on down.
See you in 30 days. That's when your killfile expires. *plonk!*
kate.
what is the sound of one kill filing?
Kate the Short -- Spamblocked!
slap...@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca (Soleil Lapierre) sat on the sofa and
said:
>Ob(desperately needed)Xbooks: Which X-characters post off-topic messages
>to Usenet and start flaming people when they get a message from MU Kate? :)
>
>I'd say Iceman, for sure. Logan would grumble but do as he's told. Kitty
>and Doug would never make a mistake like that. Scott would humbly grovel
>for forgiveness and be a model netizen thereafter, but Jean would
>probably rant a bit before settling down for real discussions.
If I were in the MU, I would *be* Kate Pryde. Married to Doug, of
course...
Scott would indeed grovel.
kate.
who notes that Aardy looks like a cross between Doug and Warren, and
dangit I need to scan in some wedding photos soon...
James S. Galinski
> So just make a newsgroup for "morons" like me who like to talk about a
> wide varities of topics dealing with the X-men hen you can have your
> little precious r.a.c.m.x unspoiled by others who want to discuss these
> topics insted of having to goto a NG where people talk about everything
> from the littlest flub in a film to casting of a stupid X-film to whats
> the best mvie made.
He's funny. Can we keep him?
But seriously kid (and I'm only 22, but I'm sure as hell you aren't an
adult), if you want a newsgroup, go make your own newsgroup. If you want
to hang around here, then stop this pointless thread, read the damn FAQ,
and only start posting when you're ready to act like some sort of an adult.
I'm sick and tired of sifting through this crap on my way through this
NG's threads.
You're like Rob/Raza, except you're actually convinced that you have a
clue. It's amazing.
-James G.
de Designers, Consul
> And if it helps why don't someone start up a newsgroup about other X-men
> related material so they don't have to goto an all media site which
> talks about stuff other than X-men. then when someone whose look through
> a list of the newgroups and sees one for X-men related material then
Why don't you do it, read the newsgroup, news:alt.config to figure out how, and
I'll even put it in my .sig the new group for a month.
> maybe people will got there and stop ruining your little click of people
> who hate everyone else in here who just want to voice their opinions
> about things that intrest them.
BoSPMwaA! Assemble!
--
de Designers,
[Jameson Stalanthas Yu, Shade and Sweet Water, mes amis and Edgerunners]
[Link at http://www-scf.usc.edu/~jamesony -X- ICQ 10208399]
[Joint Educational Project http://www.usc.edu/dept/LAS/JEP]
[Mutatis mutandis, strive to be humane, not human]
de Designers, Consul
> (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
> >So just make a newsgroup for "morons" like me who like to talk about a
((Monty Python QftGr "Yeaaah"))
> material then YOU CREATE THE NEWSGROUP. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT WANTS IT
> NOT US - SO IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO START THE PROCEDURE TO CREATE
> A NEW NEWSGROUP - - good luck getting people to vote for it and good
> luck getting people to go to that newsgroup - if we weren't happy with
((Monty Python QftGr "Yeaaah"))
Actually, I will vote for a newsgroup for this moron to post to. :D
Julmhc
topic discussions.You will not win arguing with everyone.As everybody has been
saying this isn`t the place.
Silver
Just listen to Kate...I did and I am happy I did.I have finally learned
my lesson.
Danny Miller
<jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
First of all, spoiler space juuuust in case...
> ObXbooks: OK, *now* the Maggott/GenX thing is a way to "wrap up" his
> story. Um, gee, thanks for bringing me into the X-books with a character
> who only stuck around for a year while you planned an eternal crossover,
> guys.
I just have to say that I tend to agree with Jim here, just about
completely. It's a real shame that Maggott, whom Kelly in particular
obviously loved writing (as evidenced by his throwing all that Cyberbraai
<sp?> stuff into his character, to name only one thing), is being removed
seemingly arbitrarily, despite those very fans. I can understand whittling
down the number of X-Men, but to me, it just seems like a bit of a waste
when so much effort has been put into the character, only to have him
thrust into limbo. Ah, well...I guess I can be consoled by the fact that
Maggott is still there in limbo, resurrect-able if possible/necessary....
> Yeah, it's not as if the rest of the characters need a break after twenty
> years of slobberingly devoted focus, huh?
This is a give-and-take situation, IMHO, Jim. I, for one, happen to *like*
several of those twenty-year-old characters, and would like to see more of
them. However, that's not to say that the Big Cheeses at Marvel couldn't
have found a better way to use the old _and_ the new.
> How could we ignore Kitty Prude for more than twenty minutes?
^^^^^
If this is an accidental typo, it's one of my favorites. It sure as hell
ain't true, if you ask me. :)
> Ah, I liked it better as an outsider anyway--you get into less arguments
> when you don't understand what's going on.
Not necessarily. I get into plenty of arguments, and have no clue what I'm
talking about. :)
> And I can use the two bucks to buy something that's getting cancelled
> before it could screw me over.
Such as...?
--
I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. -- Jack Handey
Danny Miller, har de har-har-har
dami...@bu.edu
de Designers, Consul
> And since you said she helped start this NG you would think she would be a
> of authority says other wise i can but anything here I want concerning about
> the X-men even if it about the movie, tv series, toys, or comic books! Last
> time I checked this thing is free to anyone who has access.
I won't comment on the "different formats" here, others have shown that you
screwed yourself on that arguement. Here's something to bring it back on topic,
despite your many efforts to keep it off:
"True X-men fan" I think that by using this phrase, you have pointed out that
you missed what it means to be an X-Men fan. Tolerance, yes, of others who are
different. Acceptance, yes, to try to bring others into your fold. Personal
responsibility, in training yourself in the use and RESTRAINT of use of your
mutancy. Awareness, in that there are others in the world who are not as
fortunate as you are. Concideration in problems of the world and doing something
about it while not prostelytizing (sp?) to them as well.
What have you learned about the xbooks YOU read?
As to the "democracy" of usenet, it's there and it isn't, with good and with
bad, and as Churchill said about it, "it is the worst of its forms, except for
what's out there." Something like that. And by the way, last I heard of
democracy, it wasn't about doing whatever you want, it's about doing what is
agreed upon by the masses.
I am not as eloquent about it as I want to be, but I hope you get the point.
malp...@my-dejanews.com
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
> I'm not dictating whats right or wrong. I just think that just because
> you think that the tv show and upcomming movie doesn't fit in this group
> because you all think that it has nothing to do with the comic book.
> well your wrong! The tv show and possible the movie is part of the
> ,Marvel made their popular stories into a Tv show just to make some
> people get into the comics. Now the action figures! you also say they
> don't belong here because they don't belong to the comics. wrong again!
> characters like X-man, Blink, and Spat and Grovel. Other figures made
> were Gambit and Rogue( in their Shi-Ar space gear) from the issues when
> they where in space fighting the phalanx. Since thats the way they were
> in the comics which mean they are part of this newsgroups. you said
> anything about the comics! Now Toy Biz is making figure based of the
> that all the other stuff doesn't belong here is because you just don't
> would think she would be a true X-men fan by letting people say what
> ever thing they wanted. After all her in the U.S.A i though we had a
> thing called free speech and until someon of authority says other wise i
> can but anything here I want concerning about the X-men even if it about
> the movie, tv series, toys, or comic books! Last time I checked this
> thing is free to anyone who has access.
>
Wow. Who knew that when I quit my job and walked out the
door on Friday that I would miss all this fun stuff? I mean
if I knew cutting myself off from a computer for a few days
would deprive me of such a great discussion, I would have stayed
a slave to my wretched boss for a few more days :)
Chris, even though, in some ways, I agree with you, I can't
say I support your cause. I tend to just ignore the X-movie
and such posts, not because I think they don't belong here, but
because I have no interest in such threads. I think that
they do belong here, but I also know that the group voted
differently some time ago. As I have no interest in the
X-movie threads, I have never felt the urge to challenge
the powers that be, ooooh and they are powers let me tell
you, and call for a revote. I also suspect such a vote
would likely lose.
Still, as you seem to be interested in such topics as toys
and movies, I can understand why you'd be ranting on in such
a way and find the reactions of the more vocal members of this
group a little distressing. They can seem pretty tyrannical
and tend to demonstrate a pack mentality (no offense ladies and
gents). This is especially true when one attacks one of their
much vaunted dinos (especially sainted ones). You have to
understand that while it's a "free net" and all, it is run by
gangs and mobs (as any anarchy should be). The gangs and mobs
here at RACMX voted that movie discussions are meant for other
places (they also tend toward tradition and deification of elders)
Until that changes, and if you want to affect such a change
you'd do better with a little honey than with so much piss
and vinegar, you're off topic and won't be embraced by these
"elitist bastards." :) If you want to stage a coup, I support your
revolution, although out of sheer laziness and disinterest in the
X-movie I will lend little aid to the cause. Maybe you should call
upon the other new kids on the group and see if you have enough votes
to overthrow the current regime. Might I suggest that approximately
1,000 supporters would be enough to begin a potentially successful
campaign.
A note of support: you can bet your ass that when and if the X-movie
does come out, this group will be all a buzz with reviews and
comics comparisons. Angela Basset's rendition of Storm will be
dissected down to the very last "by the Goddess." If you can
hold out that long, you can wait, trap some of the dinos in the
act of discussing the finer points a CGI Iceman, and say, "I told
you so." Me, I tend to choose my battles a little more wisely.
In the mean time, if you feel the need to rebel, rock on my brother.
Just stop sucking up my bandwidth.
malphred
ps - The phrase here in the USA is wildly inaccurate. It's pretty
here in nowhere.
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>
> In article <35C6119E...@hotmail.com>,
> Jim Smith <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 1) Clara's not here, so I say Kate gets a pastry. Don't see Charlie
> > either, so I'm giving her a delicious fruit pie. It's two, two, TWO
> > grand traditions in one!
> Proper pies contain meat, depite what the colonials have debased
> them into. Behave, or the eight-fold runic circles will be broken,
> the rune-encrusted bolt will be drawn back, and the Pie the Walks
> like a Man will be unleashed upon all those who misname fruit
> products as "pies".
JIM AND MIKE SMITH in "JOLLY OL' ENGLAND"
(with special guest star Alasdair Watson as "Pete Wisdom")
JIM: Well, here we are, Mike--London, England!
MIKE: Yes. Do you think the people in England like apples?
JIM: Perhaps.
MIKE: <frrrrppp> What do they think of *those* apples!
BOTH: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
JIM: Mike, you farted!
MIKE: I know.
JIM: Speaking of apples, let's look for some delicious Hostess Fruit
Pies! I love the apple flavor!
MIKE: And cherry, too! Let's go ask that disturbing Englishman!
PETE WISDOM: Wot yoo wont frem me, Yanks?
JIM: They talk so funny in England, don't they?
MIKE: It's probably because of their crooked, ugly teeth!
BOTH: HAHAHAHAHAHA!
JIM: We want some delicious Hostess Fruit Pies!
MIKE: Yes, we love the real fruit filling and the light tender cr--
WISDOM: Shut *up*, y'piles of shite, 'r I'll bloomin' kick yer bloody
arses! The only pies we've got in England are filled with meat!
JIM: Meat?
WISDOM: That's right, y'bastard! They come in two hideous flavors:
mutton 'nd haggis! Now shove that in yer arses b'for I pray to almighty
Chthhthth and send y'both to the Seventh level of--
MIKE: Now!
[Commence beating of Pete Wisdom]
JIM: He who hesitates...
MIKE: ...Gets punked.
SUPERFRIENDS NARRATOR: LATER! At the only 7-11 in England!
JIM: I knew we'd find some Hostess Fruit Pies sooner or later!
MIKE: Yes! Now, let's look for treasure!
SAM GUTHRIE: Gawrsh, Ah sure am glad Ah found a place to get a Big Gulp
in this goofy country! Hyuk hyuk hyuk!
JIM: You know, I think I shall like this England after all!
MIKE: But I *really* love these Hostess Fruit Pies!
BOTH: HAHAHAHAHAHA!
SUPERFRIENDS NARRATOR: You get a big delight from every bite of Hostess
Fruit Pies!
ObXbooks: Oh, who the hell am I kidding?
Jim Smith
Jim Smith
>
> Christopher Sunday used both of his opposable thumbs to scrawl:
>
> He's funny. Can we keep him?
Oh, come on now. He's trying, folks. He's new meat, sure, but can any
of use claim we never were?
It's one thing to get on Christopher's case for slamming Kate, because
he mainly did that for no good reason. But to attack him incessantly
for his lack of knowledge in things Usenet seems a bit harsh. (Besides,
then we'd have to attack *all* the newbies, and I'm tired.)
> You're like Rob/Raza, except you're actually convinced that you have a
> clue. It's amazing.
Bah. You've got no business making this comparison, fella.
Jim Smith
Jay Fundling
> JIM AND MIKE SMITH in "JOLLY OL' ENGLAND"
> (with special guest star Alasdair Watson as "Pete Wisdom")
I'm in agony here. The "mutton 'nd haggis" line made coffee come
out of my nose onto my keyboard.
In other words, thanks, that was great. I guess it WAS worth
getting out of bed this morning.
-Jay
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Paul O'Brien
Christopher Sunday <CLS1...@webtv.net> writes
>P.S since when did you all put on you sam block! thats why you don't
>hear from other people when they complain about it!
Lots of people have spam blocks. It's to stop people dredging Usenet
for their e-mail addresses. I don't have a spam block because, as
you say, it confuses some people who might want to contact me. As a
consequence I get about six e-mails a day trying to flog me bulk
e-mail software, from people who I will personally kick in the testicles
if I ever meet them. I have also had people trying to sell me the
secret of eternal life and, in a particularly drastic example, a woman.
Nonetheless, Chris, if there was a massive demand to get rid of
rac.o-m, wouldn't some other people be agreeing with you here?
Paul O'Brien
pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~prob/
My faith in anaesthetic is restored.
Paul O'Brien
>
>What's most important to me (as has always been) is that my news server gets
>more meta discussion *about* raco-m, like this thread, than actual posts *to*
>raco-m. No one uses it. Various proponents of raco-m (who all seem to admit
>they wanted the ghetto group they got, which irks me) insist that people
>should use the group instead of complaining about it, but I think it's better
>to kill two birds with one stone: Remove raco-m and use the other 14 rac*
>groups to discuss other media.
For what it's worth, I agree. If somebody does a rmgroup vote, I WILL
vote to get rid of rac.o-m even though I don't really want movie
threads back. We created the group to get stuff off other groups,
not because there was any positive demand for it. Those were the
wrong reasons, and I think it should be abolished.
But that's no reason to ignore the group consensus until we see some
reason to believe that it's changed.
Paul O'Brien
<dhe...@plains.NoDak.edu> writes
>
>I just noticed that Christopher has a webtv account. The newest
>generation of inductees to the Internet has arrived!
God, we've only just got over the eternal September from AOL...
Paul O'Brien
>> of this group and seems to want things her way as well as the rest of
Kate's not the leader. There is no leader. People are agreeing
with her because she's RIGHT.
Harlaquin1
>acting like spoiled brat and will not see the point. He just keeps
>whining.
wait a minute then why don't you guys stop reading his posts!! LOL Craig
Alleigh
Well we are trying to explain to him why the newsgroup is like it is -
he seems to either not get it - or is just a jerk who thinks the
"rules" don't apply to him
Mike Smith
Jim Smith wrote:
> awa...@london.newsquest.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > In article <35C6119E...@hotmail.com>,
> > Jim Smith <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > 1) Clara's not here, so I say Kate gets a pastry. Don't see Charlie
> > > either, so I'm giving her a delicious fruit pie. It's two, two, TWO
> > > grand traditions in one!
>
> > Proper pies contain meat, depite what the colonials have debased
> > them into. Behave, or the eight-fold runic circles will be broken,
> > the rune-encrusted bolt will be drawn back, and the Pie the Walks
> > like a Man will be unleashed upon all those who misname fruit
> > products as "pies".
>
> JIM AND MIKE SMITH in "JOLLY OL' ENGLAND"
> (with special guest star Alasdair Watson as "Pete Wisdom")
>
Yes, that's right, folks. Someone needs his medicine.
> ObXbooks: Oh, who the hell am I kidding?
Ehhh, wouldn't it be funny if someone read the threads on this newsgroup and
mistakenly assumed Claremont's first name was "Boris"? And if he were an
editor, so he put the credit in a comic: Writer--Boris Claremont... Heh.
Better: If someone held Cecilia's hand, then poured hot coffee on it, would
his hand be protected? Could Cece extend her field around others completely?
--Mike Smith
inquiring mind...
Soleil Lapierre
> If I were in the MU, I would *be* Kate Pryde. Married to Doug, of
> course...
Righteous. :)
> kate.
> who notes that Aardy looks like a cross between Doug and Warren, and
> dangit I need to scan in some wedding photos soon...
Yes. Yes, you do.
--
/* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre, Co-Maintainer of the Magik Timeline:
* http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/comics/
*
* "It's more fun to compute." - Kraftwerk
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Jim Smith
dami...@bu.edu (Danny Miller) wrote:
> In article <6q6g7f$d0t$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Jim Smith.
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> > ObXbooks: OK, *now* the Maggott/GenX thing is a way to "wrap up" his
> > story. Um, gee, thanks for bringing me into the X-books with a character
> > who only stuck around for a year while you planned an eternal crossover,
> > guys.
> I just have to say that I tend to agree with Jim here, just about
> completely. It's a real shame that Maggott, whom Kelly in particular
> obviously loved writing (as evidenced by his throwing all that Cyberbraai
> <sp?> stuff into his character, to name only one thing), is being removed
> seemingly arbitrarily, despite those very fans.
What bothers me is that, of the three new members who joined in #70, Kelly's
favorite was Marrow, and not the two he actually, y'know, characterized and
made cool and developed a fan base for.
> > Yeah, it's not as if the rest of the characters need a break after twenty
> > years of slobberingly devoted focus, huh?
> This is a give-and-take situation, IMHO, Jim. I, for one, happen to *like*
> several of those twenty-year-old characters, and would like to see more of
> them.
You had twenty years. I just got ten stinking issues--eleven if X-MEN #80
actually bothers to explain where the Old New New New X-Men go whent they
leave. Where does the give-and-take factor in here, anyway?
> > How could we ignore Kitty Prude for more than twenty minutes?
> ^^^^^
> If this is an accidental typo, it's one of my favorites.
I don't nearly give enough of a crap about Kitty to bother poking fun at her.
What I find most distressing about this is that I now know that they'll just
do this again. And again. And again. Hell, they did 500 times *before* I
read any of the X-books, so why not? They simply have hundreds of characters
and only three teams now to cram them into. GenX has an age requirement,
X-Force is basically a clique, so why not change the X-Men lineup every year?
Next year, we'll get Angel, Mastermind, Quicksilver, Callisto, Dark Beast,
Omega Red, and Bishop for cripessakes. And everyone will still belly up,
because God forbid anyone get so frustrated with the X-Men that they (gasp)
*drop the book*, so there won't be any reason not to pull this schtick over
and over and over.
It's one thing when one of my favorite books gets cancelled, or starts to go
into decline, but now I'm faced with nothing I can latch onto. Maggott and
Cecelia *made* the X-Men for me, because they were as new to it as I was. Now
they're gone. I could find someone on the new team to identify with, but who
says they'll still be there for #90? Or even #85?
Oooooh, I'm so angry.
> > Ah, I liked it better as an outsider anyway--you get into less arguments
> > when you don't understand what's going on.
> Not necessarily. I get into plenty of arguments, and have no clue what I'm
> talking about. :)
Then again, I never even noticed Cannonball had an accent before I bought
X-MEN. Geez, Tim Elf and I may never have anything to say ever again.
> > And I can use the two bucks to buy something that's getting cancelled
> > before it could screw me over.
>
> Such as...?
Well, I hear good things about CHRONOS, and it sells like five copies a
month. Sounds perfect. No wonder DC (Company Motto: Our motto was cancelled
last month due to low sales) is #1...
Jim Smith
Jim Smith
If somebody does a rmgroup vote, I WILL
> vote to get rid of rac.o-m even though I don't really want movie
> threads back. We created the group to get stuff off other groups,
> not because there was any positive demand for it. Those were the
> wrong reasons, and I think it should be abolished.
> But that's no reason to ignore the group consensus until we see some
> reason to believe that it's changed.
Of course, and I hope people such as Mr. Sunday keep that in mind. They
complain about the exact boundaries of the group, but they have as much
power as anyone to try and change them. (Whether they succeed or decide
it's worth the bother of learning how is up to them...)
In fact, a CFV could be beneficial whether it passes or fails. If
raco-m survived an rmgroup attempt, it'd be easier to convince newbies
that there is a demand for the group with a more recent vote.
Jim Smith
Christopher Sunday
been using my account again! He's only 12 and as you all know he loves
everything X-Men and I apologize for this since I'm the one who got him
into the X-Men in the first place. I was away for a few weeks with a few
friends and told him not to touch the Web TV since the last time he was
caught on the porn sites and got in trouble! Before I left I forgot to
put the password on it so he couldn't gain acess to the net. He has a
very short fuse and has a big mouth! He is also as I saw on some of the
posts is all thumbs! He types pretty well and I'm surprised you put up
with him for so long. I've told him time and time again the only reason
I bought the Web TV for both of us to look up mostly reasearch for
school and the occasional romp around the net for chat or subjects of
interests.Now I had to take the Web TV into my room since its the only
room in the house with a Pad lock on it, the reason is because he kept
damaging my comics by taking them out and not putting them back. I lost
more books thanks to him. So as I said before I apologize to Kate and
anyone else he may have offended in this group! And the next time he
comes here it will be with me and only to watch, not to write! "GOD"
This kid is going to kill me yet!
The Real Christopher Sunday
P.S. I really am sorry for the mess he caused!!!!
awa...@london.newsquest.co.uk
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
> So just make a newsgroup for "morons" like me who like to talk about a
Make one yourself. Find out how, organise the RFDs and if it gets
that far, the CFVs. You're the one that wants it, you sort it out.
--
Alasdair Watson. Support Newhoo!
http://www.newhoo.com
Brian Hance
A bunch of crap.
I think we're being trolled people. He's just too clueless.
---
Brian Hance bha...@primenet.com
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"How extravagant you are, throwing away women like that. Some day they
may be scarce."
Claude Rains in "Casablanca"
Soleil Lapierre
> Jim Smith wrote:
> > JIM AND MIKE SMITH in "JOLLY OL' ENGLAND"
> > (with special guest star Alasdair Watson as "Pete Wisdom")
Brilliant, Jim. Hyuk hyuk. :)
> Better: If someone held Cecilia's hand, then poured hot coffee on it, would
> his hand be protected? Could Cece extend her field around others completely?
Which, for the sex-tread-minded amongst us, leads directly into "Can Cece
use her shield as a contraceptive? Without causing discomfort?"
--
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* http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/comics/
*
* "It's nice to be loved, but there's a lot to be said
* for CRINGING RESPECT." - Unknown
*/
awa...@london.newsquest.co.uk
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
> BOY! What a bunch of E-mail I got! I see my little brother Josh has
> been using my account again!
[snip]
> The Real Christopher Sunday
Well, I'm convinced. No, really. I am. Honest.
Brian Fried
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I can partially understand Jim's point. While the need to pare down the
X-Men seemed pretty much agreed upon, the final line-up seems to have gone
against what many fans want.
Now, don't get me wrong here. I doubt there are many long-time fans who
don't want those noted characters returning to the book and remaining.
Storm is a quintessential X-Man. Nightcrawler, Shadowcat and Colossus
returning is something fans have wanted for a long time. Wolverine, no
matter how much he should leave the X-Men for his own book, is stuck.
But there are better ways to handle this all. For one thing, Jean's loss
of powers, her vulnerability, has created sympathy for her but now she's
just dropped. Similarly, Scott's new dream for the team is dropped.
Psylocke's powers continue to be developed in new ways, but now she's off
finding direction while her boyfriend sulks. Or at least we assume so,
since it's not shown on panel. Similarly, Iceman -- who Lobdell at least
made semi-interesting -- just disappears from the title without a word!
Bishop we at least know is in space, but how the heck is Beast gonna leave?
What makes this all worse is that Kelly and Seagle were saying they wanted
to use key members of the team, and Kelly was hoping for Marrow, Maggott,
Reyes and Cannonball. Personally, I could live without Maggott, who wasn't
really part of the group, but I thought Cecilia's realistic attitude and
verbal bantering with the Beast made the book a lot more enjoyable. Sam
was returning to his better self and then -- poof! -- he's out.
What should have been done is some type of poll or something, and then a
balance struck. I think fans of the title now, who were told X-MEN #70 and
UNCANNY X-MEN #351 represented the beginning of the new chapter now feel
ripped off because not only do we get a new beginning just ten issues
later, but it will come with a new team --- and a much higher cover price!
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Brian Fried bfr...@chat.carleton.ca Carleton U., Ottawa, Canada
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"What do you say? Will the human race be run in a day?
Or will someone save this planet we're playing on?"
Paul McCartney, 'Pipes Of Peace', 1983
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Soleil Lapierre
> BOY! What a bunch of E-mail I got! I see my little brother Josh has
> been using my account again!
A likely story. Do you have any bridges or Florida real estate for sale?
me_gr...@my-dejanews.com
bfr...@chat.carleton.ca (Brian Fried) wrote:
> What should have been done is some type of poll or something, and then a
> balance struck. I think fans of the title now, who were told X-MEN #70 and
> UNCANNY X-MEN #351 represented the beginning of the new chapter now feel
> ripped off because not only do we get a new beginning just ten issues
> later, but it will come with a new team --- and a much higher cover price!
Notice that the higher cover price is due to a larger issue! I don't think
it will stay at that price once they shrink back down to 32 pages. I do
agree with you about the poll. However, with the Anniversary and all, the
new team HAD to debut on #360 and #80, it makes sense from a marketing
standpoint, which only gave Keagle 10 days to wrap everything up, which Kelly
did a better job og than Seagle. Meaning, what was the point of UXM 366-367,
that sure as hell didn't need to be there. Seagle could have used this time
to wrap up some issues, the same way Kelly should have used XM 75 (that
Pilgrimm story didn't need to be there). However, just because the new team
will be debuting before all the subplots are wrapped up, don't count on them
not being completed in the near future. Give Keagle some time.
--
"Hear my horrible cry, that will be your undoing!!"
"SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!"
Kate the Short -- Spamblocked!
Paul O'Brien <pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk> sat on the sofa and said:
>In article <6q6g7f$d0t$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Jim Smith
>>
>>What's most important to me (as has always been) is that my news server gets
>>more meta discussion *about* raco-m, like this thread, than actual posts *to*
>>raco-m. No one uses it. Various proponents of raco-m (who all seem to admit
>>they wanted the ghetto group they got, which irks me) insist that people
>>should use the group instead of complaining about it, but I think it's better
>>to kill two birds with one stone: Remove raco-m and use the other 14 rac*
>>groups to discuss other media.
>
>threads back. We created the group to get stuff off other groups,
>not because there was any positive demand for it. Those were the
>wrong reasons, and I think it should be abolished.
Someone page Mike Chary and the proponents of the Superman newsgroup--
they'd been arguing that back and forth for weeks...
>But that's no reason to ignore the group consensus until we see some
>reason to believe that it's changed.
Agreed.
kate.
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| Address is spamblocked - watch where you send replies! - ICQ# 8375030 |
| Website redone! /personal /comics /faqs /sorority /wedding /internet |
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me_gr...@my-dejanews.com
CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
> BOY! What a bunch of E-mail I got! I see my little brother Josh has
> been using my account again!
> So as I said before I apologize to Kate and
> anyone else he may have offended in this group! And the next time he
> comes here it will be with me and only to watch, not to write! "GOD"
> This kid is going to kill me yet!
>
> The Real Christopher Sunday
>
> P.S. I really am sorry for the mess he caused!!!!
>
>
BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Oh God...hold on...gotta catch my breath
<snicker>. That's too funny. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you aplogized,
albeit for "your little brother", but I think this message was a load of b.s.
I think you fianlly realized you were waaaaay in the wrong, much as I was
recently, and decided the best way to get into everyone's good graces was to
blame the whole schmeel on a figment of your imagination (little brother) and
concoct a silly story to support it. You then took your time writing the
above message, ran it through several spell and grammar checkers, and then
posted it. What gave it away for me was there is no friggin way that mess
was caused by a twelve year old. You kinda overshot there Chris!!!!!
Anyhoo, welcome to the fold, o' wizened one.
Jim Smith
>
> CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
>
> A bunch of crap.
>
> I think we're being trolled people. He's just too clueless.
Trust me; I've been three times as clueless as Christopher Sunday, and
*I* ain't no troll. (Um...you guys trust me, right? Right?)
Jim Smith
James S. Galinski
<6q9mrq$ns9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> In article <22107-35C...@newsd-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> CLS1...@webtv.net (Christopher Sunday) wrote:
>
> > BOY! What a bunch of E-mail I got! I see my little brother Josh has
> > been using my account again!
>
>
> > The Real Christopher Sunday
>
> Well, I'm convinced. No, really. I am. Honest.
Oh, me too. You know, we all owe that boy an apology...
(chorus of voices) WE'RE SORRY!
Incidentally, if I ever say anything that offends anyone, just assume it
was my brother, whose name is, um, er, Otis. (channeling Jon Lovitz, circa
1987) Otis, yeah, that's the ticket...
-The Real James S. Galinski
"and yet it happened..."
Mike Smith
Soleil Lapierre wrote:
> An infinite monkey named Mike Smith wrote:
> > Jim Smith wrote:
>
> > > JIM AND MIKE SMITH in "JOLLY OL' ENGLAND"
> > > (with special guest star Alasdair Watson as "Pete Wisdom")
>
> Brilliant, Jim. Hyuk hyuk. :)
>
> > Better: If someone held Cecilia's hand, then poured hot coffee on it, would
> > his hand be protected? Could Cece extend her field around others completely?
>
> Which, for the sex-tread-minded amongst us, leads directly into "Can Cece
> use her shield as a contraceptive? Without causing discomfort?"
Ah, touche. Well, she doesn't have any kids that we know of, but I'd tend to say
no. The force field protects from pretty obvious harm. Implied harm, such as
unwanted pregnancy, wouldn't register unless the shield is intelligent. If it
could do that it would know how much mental duress Cecelia suffers for being a
mutant, and it would go away entirely.
In short, it isn't an Asimovian robot. Now if Cecilia could learn to _control_
her force field... well let's just say a lot of devilish thoughts come to mind,
wink wink nudge nudge owwooga!
--Mike Smith
resented that "infinite monkey" crack until realizing it was a compliment...
s...@ti.l-3com.com
> Well, you know, it's just that Sam never has anything to say. He writes
> and writes and writes, but it's always pages of stuff I don't wanna read. So
> I figured a handy Sam block would keep all his emails from cluttering my
> inbox. And damn effective, too.
>
> - Vermilion, whose mail is 100% Sam-free.
>
Hey, that's discrimination, dammit!
ObX. Ummmm... uhh.. which X-Men spam-block their usenet postings? alright,
that's pretty weak.
Timothy Larson
David R. Henry <dhe...@plains.NoDak.edu> wrote:
>Christopher Sunday <CLS1...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>I just noticed that Christopher has a webtv account. The newest
>generation of inductees to the Internet has arrived!
Dang, and I was just getting used to the AOLers.
>>And just because Kate seems to be the leader
>>of this group and seems to want things her way as well as the rest of
>>you shouldn't pick on the new people who come to this group.
Simple mortals like myself are not fit to lick Kate's boots. Stick
around long enough, and you may be allowed to at least _think_ about
licking her boots some day. ;)
Tim
proud to claim Kate's faq page as a member of his webring...does this mean
he's worthy enough to lick her boots?
Timothy Larson
Elizabeth Celeste <etwi...@helios.acomp.usf.edu> wrote:
> Jim Smith <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>1) Clara's not here, so I say Kate gets a pastry. Don't see Charlie
>>either, so I'm giving her a delicious fruit pie. It's two, two, TWO
>>grand traditions in one!
>
>her a lutefisk, in honor of my upcoming trip to Minnesota, and the
>past history.
I _live_ in Minnesota, and I wouldn't inflict lutefisk on her. A
death worse than fate!!!
Tim
Christopher Sunday
around 4 in the morning after driving for 12 hours and being dead tired.
This will most likely be the last time I will ever be here unless I feel
the necessity to post or view anything dealing with the X-Men comics.
Thank You.
James S. Galinski
<35C79CE7...@hotmail.com>...
> James S. Galinski wrote:
> Oh, come on now. He's trying, folks. He's new meat, sure, but can any
> of use claim we never were?
>
> It's one thing to get on Christopher's case for slamming Kate, because
> he mainly did that for no good reason. But to attack him incessantly
> for his lack of knowledge in things Usenet seems a bit harsh.
Okay, maybe it was a bit unfair. Christopher, I apologize for taking
things a bit too far.
> > You're like Rob/Raza, except you're actually convinced that you have a
> > clue. It's amazing.
>
> Bah. You've got no business making this comparison, fella.
Now, my comparison might not be valid, and I'll give you that. Rob
McLean/Raza Mughal was a troll. Christopher obviously is not. However, I
was on racx/racmx for the first few years of college (around 1994-1996),
under the handle "Grandpa Nate" and I received weekly hate mail from
Rob/Raza. Trust me, I have plenty of business talking about our old friend
Rob McLean...
As for Christopher, we've all read his latest response (my brother did it,
and all that) and whether we believe it or not, I guess he's trying to
start over with us. Well, I'm willing to meet him halfway.
Christopher, welcome to X-Books... hope you survive the experience. :)
-James G.
Paul O'Brien
<bfr...@chat.carleton.ca> writes
SPOILERS
>Now, don't get me wrong here. I doubt there are many long-time fans who
>don't want those noted characters returning to the book and remaining.
I'm wary. This has the potential to be an annoying attempt to emulate
the eighties instead of doing something new for the late nineties.
Kelly and Seagle are good writers, and no doubt CAN make it work - but
I worry about the motivations, and I worry about whether we're now
going to get two talented people being ordered to emulate somebody
else's work.
>What makes this all worse is that Kelly and Seagle were saying they wanted
>to use key members of the team, and Kelly was hoping for Marrow, Maggott,
>Reyes and Cannonball. Personally, I could live without Maggott, who wasn't
>really part of the group, but I thought Cecilia's realistic attitude and
>verbal bantering with the Beast made the book a lot more enjoyable. Sam
>was returning to his better self and then -- poof! -- he's out.
Well, Cecilia is at least sticking around as a supporting character.
But it's annoying that characters who were developing in such an
interesting way are being shoved aside in favour of a nostalgiafest.
Danny Miller
<jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <damiller-ya023180...@nntp.bu.edu>,
> dami...@bu.edu (Danny Miller) wrote:
> > In article <6q6g7f$d0t$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Jim Smith
> > <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > First of all, spoiler space juuuust in case...
> > > ObXbooks: OK, *now* the Maggott/GenX thing is a way to "wrap up" his
> > > story. Um, gee, thanks for bringing me into the X-books with a
> > > character who only stuck around for a year while you planned an
> > > eternal crossover, guys.
>
> > I just have to say that I tend to agree with Jim here, just about
> > completely. It's a real shame that Maggott, whom Kelly in particular
> > obviously loved writing (as evidenced by his throwing all that
> > Cyberbraai <sp?> stuff into his character, to name only one thing), is
> > being removed seemingly arbitrarily, despite those very fans.
>
> What bothers me is that, of the three new members who joined in #70,
> Kelly's favorite was Marrow, and not the two he actually, y'know,
> characterized and made cool and developed a fan base for.
I dunno. Seems very contrary to popular interest, if you ask me; it
honestly seems to me like a Decision from the Very-High-Ups. Then again,
Kelly created a whole title around another mass-murdering psycho, adding a
much-needed additional dimension to him, so maybe he just likes that type
of weird stuff. :) (And I'm not trying to tell you to read _Deadpool_
or anything, Jim, BTW.... <g>)
> > > Yeah, it's not as if the rest of the characters need a break after
> > > twenty years of slobberingly devoted focus, huh?
>
> > This is a give-and-take situation, IMHO, Jim. I, for one, happen to
> > *like* several of those twenty-year-old characters, and would like to
> > see more of them.
>
> You had twenty years. I just got ten stinking issues--eleven if X-MEN
> #80 actually bothers to explain where the Old New New New X-Men go whent
> they leave.
Actually, I've had only just over two years, myself. Which doesn't change
facts much, admittedly, but I just wanted to state for the record that I've
had nowhere *near* twenty years, either.
> Where does the give-and-take factor in here, anyway?
Kelly Gives, the Very-High-Ups Take. :) Seriously, though, what I meant
was that if the creators are going to whittle down the team so thoroughly
radically, their options may be limited. For example, if they decide to
keep only the new members, they potentially risk losing a connection with
tradition -- "why not just reboot, then?" -- while if they keep only the
oldsters, they piss readers like you off exactly as you described. I can't
say that these two options are the _only_ ones, and I will miss Maggott's
presence in the books, but having to answer to editors seems to have its
own set of accompanying difficulties, apparently.
> What I find most distressing about this is that I now know that they'll
> just do this again. And again. And again. Hell, they did 500 times
> *before* I read any of the X-books, so why not? . . . And everyone will
> still belly up, because God forbid anyone get so frustrated with the
> X-Men that they (gasp) *drop the book*, so there won't be any reason not
> to pull this schtick over and over and over.
My response to this is that I probably _will_ continue to buy the books,
regardless of my disagreement with the editorial decision, for a couple
reasons. First, for the most part I like the characters who'll be staying,
and I also lack the connection to the newbie X-people that you have.
Second, I still like Kelly and Seagle, and remain convinced that they can
write a good story, even if some characters I like have been abruptly
chucked; I buy comics for the stories, to a significant extent, and the
editorial decision(s) -- or even writer's, if that's the case -- are not so
severe, IMHO, that they disrupt that enjoyment.
> It's one thing when one of my favorite books gets cancelled, or starts to
> go into decline, but now I'm faced with nothing I can latch onto.
> Maggott and Cecelia *made* the X-Men for me, because they were as new to
> it as I was. Now they're gone. I could find someone on the new team to
> identify with, but who says they'll still be there for #90? Or even #85?
Well, while I sort of agree with you about Maggott -- he's newer to the
books than I am, but he's grown on me very nicely, and I can't say I like
his departure -- I still believe that Cecelia's not going anywhere. I get
the distinct impression that she'll be sticking around as
background/supporting cast for at least some time. It's not perfect, but
it could very well be making the best of a situation that's mediocre at
best.
Then again, Maggott's characterization, both individual and interpersonal,
has done *nothing* to keep him in the X-books, so Cece's up in the air.
As for Marrow, BTW? She's still my least favorite (why, I can't quite
articulate), but if they can make interesting stories that advance her
character, so be it.
> Oooooh, I'm so angry.
Can't blame you.
> > > Ah, I liked it better as an outsider anyway--you get into less
> > > arguments when you don't understand what's going on.
>
> > Not necessarily. I get into plenty of arguments, and have no clue what
> > I'm talking about. :)
>
> Then again, I never even noticed Cannonball had an accent before I bought
> X-MEN. Geez, Tim Elf and I may never have anything to say ever again.
If it helps, Cannonball's been grating on me lately, too. :)
> > > And I can use the two bucks to buy something that's getting cancelled
> > > before it could screw me over.
> >
> > Such as...?
>
> Well, I hear good things about CHRONOS, and it sells like five copies a
> month.
Is it getting canceled. I hope not; DC's canceled a few too many good
books lately, and I was hoping at least one would stick around.
> Sounds perfect. No wonder DC (Company Motto: Our motto was cancelled
> last month due to low sales) is #1...
Doesn't matter to me. IMHO, while companies generally _do_ require growth,
the growth shouldn't be soulless, mindless, or reasonless. It's why Disney
bothers me. :)
--
I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. -- Jack Handey
Danny Miller, har de har-har-har
dami...@bu.edu
Soleil Lapierre
> Soleil Lapierre wrote:
> > An infinite monkey named Mike Smith wrote:
> > > Better: If someone held Cecilia's hand, then poured hot coffee on it, would
> > > his hand be protected? Could Cece extend her field around others completely?
> > Which, for the sex-tread-minded amongst us, leads directly into "Can Cece
> > use her shield as a contraceptive? Without causing discomfort?"
> Ah, touche. Well, she doesn't have any kids that we know of, but I'd tend to say
> no. The force field protects from pretty obvious harm. Implied harm, such as
> unwanted pregnancy, wouldn't register unless the shield is intelligent. If it
> could do that it would know how much mental duress Cecelia suffers for being a
> mutant, and it would go away entirely.
Damn, a disproof by paradox. How dare you dismiss my perverted theory so
easily! :)
> In short, it isn't an Asimovian robot. Now if Cecilia could learn to _control_
> her force field... well let's just say a lot of devilish thoughts come to mind,
> wink wink nudge nudge owwooga!
Damn, you've outdone me too. I didn't even think of that. You're a pro, Mike.
--
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ALBERT B. CHING
Christopher Sunday <CLS1...@webtv.net> writes
>P.S since when did you all put on you sam block! thats why you don't
^^^
>>hear from other people when they complain about it!
Hh. I feel a Cannonball joke coming on. Don't ask me why. Jim,
will you do the honors?
Anyway, many people have spam block. Mainly because it can get annoying
to have people trying to sell you stuff over the net, and getting
unsolicited emails. Mainly I get ads for porno videos, though, and
for the life of me I honestly can't figure out why...
Then again, given how little emal I get...
Anyway, the name of the group is rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks, so
we just talk about comics here. Sorry, but you can't fight city hall,
unless you start a CFV or whatever, and that is _way_ too much trouble
that anyone reasonable would want to go through about some internet thingie. :)
Albert
--
ALBERT B. CHING
slap...@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca (Soleil Lapierre) wrote:
>An infinite monkey named Christopher Sunday wrote:
>> BOY! What a bunch of E-mail I got! I see my little brother Josh has
>> been using my account again!
>A likely story. Do you have any bridges or Florida real estate for sale?
Let's be fair. I used to use my dad's email address, and honestly, I'm
not a middle-aged lawyer named Anthony. It's entirely feasible that
families share email addresses. I did, and as any rac* denizens who've
met me can attest, I'm really me. I'm not necessarily saying that it's
true with this guy, but stranger things have happened.
Albert
--
Alleigh
Now is this Chris or his 12 year-old brother, Josh. Because Chris said
he wasn't home and just returned so I only saw one post that was
"Chris" and saw no spelling error replies. I think I am confused here.
Paul O'Brien
Christopher Sunday <CLS1...@webtv.net> writes
>I honestly don't care what you think! Lets see you type up someting
>around 4 in the morning after driving for 12 hours and being dead tired.
>This will most likely be the last time I will ever be here unless I feel
>the necessity to post or view anything dealing with the X-Men comics.
This being an X-Men comics newsgroup, I can't say that greatly
surprises me.
Danny Miller
<jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <damiller-ya023180...@nntp.bu.edu>,
> dami...@bu.edu (Danny Miller) wrote:
> > In article <6q8tru$nmq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Jim Smith
> > <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <damiller-ya023180...@nntp.bu.edu>,
> > > dami...@bu.edu (Danny Miller) wrote:
> > > > In article <6q6g7f$d0t$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Jim Smith
> > > > <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > First of all, spoiler space juuuust in case...
> > > What bothers me is that, of the three new members who joined in #70,
> > > Kelly's favorite was Marrow, and not the two he actually, y'know,
> > > characterized and made cool and developed a fan base for.
>
> > I dunno. Seems very contrary to popular interest, if you ask me; it
> > honestly seems to me like a Decision from the Very-High-Ups.
>
> I'm fuzzy on this. I was under the impression that Kelly and Seagle were
> just plain tired of coordinating over a dozen X-Men.
The reason it seems to be like an editorial decision is that even if the
reason _is_ that Kelly and Seagle were tired of that level of coordination,
it seemed to me that they would've preferred a different set of X-Men than
the ones they got. So I guessed that they got who they got 'cause the
higher-ups told 'em who to get. :P
> > (And I'm not trying to tell you to read _Deadpool_ or anything, Jim,
> > BTW.... <g>)
>
> ...which I keep forgetting puts me in a minority. For some reason.
Well, I sure as hell don't begrudge your not reading _Deadpool_. It
doesn't matter to me one scintilla that you don't. Frankly, I don't
remember you *asking* "Should I?" so I didn't answer. :)
<snip Jim's point about "How many Thunderbird fans do you see on racmx, eh?">
> Yeah, in three years I would imagine I won't even care about ol' Maggott,
> and therefore won't have much reason to check in with his X-buddies
> anymore. Yep, way to build that fan base, Marvel.
I've gotta say you're just about completely correct here, IMHO. It's not
an overly bright move that Marvel pulled, and that's a lingering effect the
company has yet to get rid of. To compare, what may have helped me become
a fan was that, for all his faults, Lobdell kept a relatively unchanging
lineup of X-Men. I.e., he succeeded in developing me into a member of the
fan base. It's too bad that the situation isn't letting you and others
jump in as well.
> > > What I find most distressing about this is that I now know that
> > > they'll just do this again. And again. And again. Hell, they did
> > > 500 times *before* I read any of the X-books, so why not? . . . And
> > > everyone will still belly up, because God forbid anyone get so
> > > frustrated with the X-Men that they (gasp) *drop the book*, so there
> > > won't be any reason not to pull this schtick over and over and over.
>
> > My response to this is that I probably _will_ continue to buy the
> > books, regardless of my disagreement with the editorial decision . . ..
>
> Yeah, sure--right *now* you're satisfied. And yet, I see all these
> X-fans wandering around who seem to devotingly buy unsatisfying product.
> It never ceases to amaze me how many people who hate Lobdell seem to have
> kept on reading his run, or how many Mackie-bashers just kept on reading
> X-FACTOR.
Yes, I am satisfied right now, but more so than I'm dissatisfied. I only
continue to read until that changes. I unhesitatingly dropped _GenX_ a few
issues back because my dissatisfaction overweighed my satisfaction, and
only resumed buying it again when I was positive that I'd be more satisfied
than not again. Like I said, I disagreed with an editorial decision; it
didn't spoil it completely for me, so I continue to patronize the store, so
to speak. Maybe I should complain about what I don't like more, but....
> The X-staff has learned that their fan base will take whatever they give
> them. I for one don't intend on jumping through their hoops.
At least in principle, neither do I. It's simple to me -- I dislike a
book, I don't get it.
Charlie Ball
Sorry Jim. When you're not looking, we laugh about you behind your back.
I've been feeling bad about it, so I thought you ought to know.
Charlie
Jim Smith
dami...@bu.edu (Danny Miller) wrote:
> In article <6q8tru$nmq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Jim Smith
> <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <damiller-ya023180...@nntp.bu.edu>,
> > dami...@bu.edu (Danny Miller) wrote:
> > > In article <6q6g7f$d0t$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Jim Smith
> > > <jimna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > First of all, spoiler space juuuust in case...
> > What bothers me is that, of the three new members who joined in #70,
> > Kelly's favorite was Marrow, and not the two he actually, y'know,
> > characterized and made cool and developed a fan base for.
> I dunno. Seems very contrary to popular interest, if you ask me; it
> honestly seems to me like a Decision from the Very-High-Ups.
I'm fuzzy on this. I was under the impression that Kelly and Seagle were just
plain tired of coordinating over a dozen X-Men.
Then again,
> Kelly created a whole title around another mass-murdering psycho, adding a
> much-needed additional dimension to him, so maybe he just likes that type
> of weird stuff. :)
Oh, he certainly likes it. I just personally like it all that much. Of
course, I didn't like Sean Penn's murderous psycho in _Dead Man Walking_ even
*after* a much-needed additionall dimention was added to him. I don't like
murderous psychos in general...
(And I'm not trying to tell you to read _Deadpool_
> or anything, Jim, BTW.... <g>)
...which I keep forgetting puts me in a minority. For some reason.
> > > > Yeah, it's not as if the rest of the characters need a break after
> > > > twenty years of slobberingly devoted focus, huh?
> > > This is a give-and-take situation, IMHO, Jim. I, for one, happen to
> > > *like* several of those twenty-year-old characters, and would like to
> > > see more of them.
> > You had twenty years. I just got ten stinking issues--eleven if X-MEN
> > #80 actually bothers to explain where the Old New New New X-Men go whent
> > they leave.
> Actually, I've had only just over two years, myself. Which doesn't change
> facts much, admittedly, but I just wanted to state for the record that I've
> had nowhere *near* twenty years, either.
I'm way ahead of you: You have twenty years of *back issues*. Me, I've got a
bunch of Scott Lobdell stories with fifty pounds of Madureira chin attached to
Japheth's face to look forward to. Oh, whee.
See, the point I'm trying to make is that Marvel doesn't *need* to do
anything with Kitty and the others. They've already got an ungodly number or
devoted Kitty fans clutching their homemade Lockheed dolls while they compile
lists of everyone she ever doinked. What they are *not* going to have,
though, is an ungodly number of devoted Maggott fans, clutching their
homemade Eeny dolls and bookmarking Cyberbraii's website. Because they've
thrown him away so quickly that it's extremely likely that everyone is going
to forget about him. (How many Thunderbird fans do you see on racmx, eh?)
Also, I'm too sane to try and design an Eeny pattern, so there.
Yeah, in three years I would imagine I won't even care about ol' Maggott, and
therefore won't have much reason to check in with his X-buddies anymore. Yep,
way to build that fan base, Marvel.
> > What I find most distressing about this is that I now know that they'll
> > just do this again. And again. And again. Hell, they did 500 times
> > *before* I read any of the X-books, so why not? . . . And everyone will
> > still belly up, because God forbid anyone get so frustrated with the
> > X-Men that they (gasp) *drop the book*, so there won't be any reason not
> > to pull this schtick over and over and over.
> My response to this is that I probably _will_ continue to buy the books,
> regardless of my disagreement with the editorial decision, for a couple
> reasons. First, for the most part I like the characters who'll be staying,
Yeah, sure--right *now* you're satisfied. And yet, I see all these X-fans
wandering around who seem to devotingly buy unsatisfying product. It never
ceases to amaze me how many people who hate Lobdell seem to have kept on
reading his run, or how many Mackie-bashers just kept on reading X-FACTOR.
It's like crack. *Lime-flavored* crack, even.
The X-staff has learned that their fan base will take whatever they give them.
I for one don't intend on jumping through their hoops.
Jim Smith