nation X and Avalon
~consul
I thought Cable used it most recently as a base for his Providence though ... maybe not.
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grinningdemon
<con...@dolphinsTAKEAWAY-cove.com> wrote:
>I am bit confused, I thought that Cable used it already for Providence? Avalon seems to have a detailed past. First the island base on earth, right? It sinks and the then Magneto raises it and uses it as Asteroid M during the Fatal Attractions time frame. It sinks back into the oceans doesn't it? And ... crap someone used it ... I thought X-Force used it, back when Prosh was around? And then someone else?
>
>I thought Cable used it most recently as a base for his Providence though ... maybe not.
Were Avalon and Asteroid M the same? I thought they were
different...I know one of them was completely torn apart by a battle
between Holocaust and Exodus in the first x-men story after Age of
Apocalypse...and I didn't think Cable used either one for Providence
(though I may be wrong).
All that said, this whole mutant nation idea has been used several
times before so I'm not really all that enthused about seeing it
again...I was actually liking the x-men in San Francisco...and we all
know Nation X won't last anyway...eventually, it will sink again and
they'll all end up back in Westchester.
BigRiggBlues
Providence was the remains of Greymalkin, Cable's spaceship from the future.
Avalon was part of the remains of the third Asteroid M, the one
destroyed in the Fatal Attractions story. It looks like Utopia is
supposed to be built from the original Asteroid M. However, this may be
wrong, because I am uncertain if the second Asteroid M was built from
the remains of the first or not. The second one was destroyed by Warlock
in an issue of New Mutants. In any event, it is not the same one that
Avalon was built from, and definitely not the one from the Grant
Morrison story, which was sent hurdling to the moon.
grinningdemon
<bigriggblu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>grinningdemon wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:03:02 -0700, ~consul
>> <con...@dolphinsTAKEAWAY-cove.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am bit confused, I thought that Cable used it already for Providence? Avalon seems to have a detailed past. First the island base on earth, right? It sinks and the then Magneto raises it and uses it as Asteroid M during the Fatal Attractions time frame. It sinks back into the oceans doesn't it? And ... crap someone used it ... I thought X-Force used it, back when Prosh was around? And then someone else?
>>>
>>> I thought Cable used it most recently as a base for his Providence though ... maybe not.
>>
>> Were Avalon and Asteroid M the same? I thought they were
>> different...I know one of them was completely torn apart by a battle
>> between Holocaust and Exodus in the first x-men story after Age of
>> Apocalypse...and I didn't think Cable used either one for Providence
>> (though I may be wrong).
>>
>> All that said, this whole mutant nation idea has been used several
>> times before so I'm not really all that enthused about seeing it
>> again...I was actually liking the x-men in San Francisco...and we all
>> know Nation X won't last anyway...eventually, it will sink again and
>> they'll all end up back in Westchester.
>
>Providence was the remains of Greymalkin, Cable's spaceship from the future.
That's right...originally Apocalypse's and later X-Factor's ship.
>Avalon was part of the remains of the third Asteroid M, the one
>destroyed in the Fatal Attractions story. It looks like Utopia is
>supposed to be built from the original Asteroid M. However, this may be
>wrong, because I am uncertain if the second Asteroid M was built from
>the remains of the first or not. The second one was destroyed by Warlock
>in an issue of New Mutants. In any event, it is not the same one that
>Avalon was built from, and definitely not the one from the Grant
>Morrison story, which was sent hurdling to the moon.
So many asteroids, so little time.
~consul
> <bigriggblu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> grinningdemon wrote:
>>> All that said, this whole mutant nation idea has been used several
>>> times before so I'm not really all that enthused about seeing it
>>> again...I was actually liking the x-men in San Francisco...and we all
>>> know Nation X won't last anyway...eventually, it will sink again and
>>> they'll all end up back in Westchester.
>> Providence was the remains of Greymalkin, Cable's spaceship from the future.
> That's right...originally Apocalypse's and later X-Factor's ship.
Then what did X-Force use? I coulda sworn that they used the remains of some orbital base dredged from the oceans to build their own new base, maybe on Camp Verde. And then that is the bits that Prosh took with him into space.
grinningdemon
<con...@dolphinsTAKEAWAY-cove.com> wrote:
>and thus grinningdemon inscribed ...
>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:28:53 -0500, BigRiggBlues
>> <bigriggblu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> grinningdemon wrote:
>>>> All that said, this whole mutant nation idea has been used several
>>>> times before so I'm not really all that enthused about seeing it
>>>> again...I was actually liking the x-men in San Francisco...and we all
>>>> know Nation X won't last anyway...eventually, it will sink again and
>>>> they'll all end up back in Westchester.
>>> Providence was the remains of Greymalkin, Cable's spaceship from the future.
>> That's right...originally Apocalypse's and later X-Factor's ship.
>
>Then what did X-Force use? I coulda sworn that they used the remains of some orbital base dredged from the oceans to build their own new base, maybe on Camp Verde. And then that is the bits that Prosh took with him into space.
I thought they were the same...didn't Prosh come back and get
destroyed or something? And those remains became Providence...maybe
I'm wrong though.
BigRiggBlues
conflicting stories. On the Wikipedia article on Asteroid M, it says
Avalon as having been built from a former Asteroid M. However, on the
article for Ship/Prosh, it says that it was built from Greymalkin. This
seems to be the story that Marvel.com/universe echoes.
So, Apocalypse's Ship becomes X-Factor's home, and when young Nathan is
sent to the future, the Ship A.I. hitches a ride in the T.O. virus in
the baby's body, that Ship has been moved into to keep in check. In the
future, once Nathan has developed the ability to keep the virus in check
on his own, it begins calling itself Professor and is removed from
Nathan's body. It eventually becomes the A.I. of Greymalkin and
accompanies Cable back to the present. It is destroyed, and later
becomes Avalon, after being salvaged by the Acolytes. Cable and X-Force
rescued the Professor from Avalon, and moved him into Cable's own
techno-organic body parts. He is then moved to the computer at Camp
Verde. When the Phalanx attacked, he gained a T.O. body of his own and
became Prosh. When they find out that his new body is affecting Cable's
own T.O., Prosh absorbs the tech from the base and becomes a ship,
leaving Earth. Later, a battle between Exodus and Holocaust destroys
Avalon. It falls to Earth and lays at the sea floor until Cable raises
it and combines it with pieces of Greymalkin, that were not salvaged by
the Acolytes, to create Providence.