New Thunderbolts - what's going on?
papamidnite
I'm pretty sure a few people read it here - Tarquin B did in his last
incarnation at least, but what is going on with New Thunderbolts? I
picked it up from the second issue of the new run, having heard a LOT
of good things about the previous run but I'm just not sure where it is
going.
Some things that I need explained to me please!
1. Genis - why did they need to kill him? I don't get it - it felt
forced and very strange.
2. Songbird and Zemo - wasn't he a Nazi once? What hold has he got on
her?
3. It feels a bit like one of those reality shows where everything is
love-triangles and getting voted off more than any plot or character
driven story. Why?
I really WANT to like this book. I don't know why, but the idea of
redemption for the characters is kind of sweet and some of the cast
(Dr. Chen, Blizzard, Joystick) are really fun to read about.
I think it may be that now the book is bringing in characters that were
relevant pre-relaunch my brain can't deal with it.
What do people think about the book?
Jess
Christian Smith
wrote
>Hey all!
>
>I'm pretty sure a few people read it here - Tarquin B did in his last
>incarnation at least, but what is going on with New Thunderbolts? I
>picked it up from the second issue of the new run, having heard a LOT
>of good things about the previous run but I'm just not sure where it is
>going.
Pick up the first 2 trades rather than just issue 2, you'll understand
whats happening much more then
(anyone know when trade 3 is due btw?)
>
>Some things that I need explained to me please!
>
>1. Genis - why did they need to kill him? I don't get it - it felt
>forced and very strange.
>
It was forced essentially, by two things from what I can remember
(a) he was basically going completely nuts and would have destroyed
the world so needed to be taken off the playing field
(b) as much as I liked Genis in his own book, he never really fit into
the book in the first place anyway (IMO), and with a new Capt Marvel
on the horizon would probably have never been seen again anyway, at
least this way we get closure
>2. Songbird and Zemo - wasn't he a Nazi once? What hold has he got on
>her?
None, she's using him (as she says in issue 101) to make it easier for
her to kill him later on.
>
>3. It feels a bit like one of those reality shows where everything is
>love-triangles and getting voted off more than any plot or character
>driven story. Why?
Not sure what you're asking here..
>
>I really WANT to like this book. I don't know why, but the idea of
>redemption for the characters is kind of sweet and some of the cast
>(Dr. Chen, Blizzard, Joystick) are really fun to read about.
Agreed
>
>I think it may be that now the book is bringing in characters that were
>relevant pre-relaunch my brain can't deal with it.
Neither could mine, it was so excited!
>
>What do people think about the book?
>
More than anything, the re-addition of classic T-Bolts and the
reversion to the Thunderbolts name (as opposed to New T Bolts) is
exactly what this book needs.
The cast as of issue 101, is pretty much the mix I would have chosen
and got rid of the few that made no real sense long term (Nighthawk)
Christian
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Robert Wiacek
"papamidnite" <papam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I really WANT to like this book. I don't know why, but the idea of
> redemption for the characters is kind of sweet and some of the cast
> (Dr. Chen, Blizzard, Joystick) are really fun to read about.
I'm the same way. I really wanted to liked this book too, but found it a bit
flat and finally decided to drop it after issue #100.
papamidnite
>>her?
>None, she's using him (as she says in issue 101) to make it easier for
>her to kill him later on.
Why does she want to kill him?
>>3. It feels a bit like one of those reality shows where everything is
>>love-triangles and getting voted off more than any plot or character
>>driven story. Why?
What I guess I was trying to ask (despite my lack of eloquence!) is why
the team structure always seemed so temporary. Issue upon issue seemed
to hinge on 'Who's going to be on the team this week?'. The only story
that didn't involve someone leaving or joining the team i can recall
off-hand is the one where they trashed the New Avengers (that was
sweet!) but that may be my shoddy memory as much as anything.
And I do like the cast in 101 as long as they do get rid of Swordsman
(lame, lame, lame) and Zemo (a bit too evil for redemption - instead
needs to be whooped by Captain America)
But more importantly - why does Songbird want to kill Zemo?
Dave Van Domelen
papamidnite <papam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>1. Genis - why did they need to kill him? I don't get it - it felt
>forced and very strange.
Do you mean in-story or real-life reasons?
In story: Zemo accidentally broke Genis while messing about with the
Moonstones. Due to Genis's connection to cosmic forces (like, how he managed
to destroy the universe and recreate it), this was very dangerous, and Zemo
found that he couldn't fix it any way short of killing Genis.
Real Life: Dunno. Maybe Fabian was having trouble getting a handle on
Genis, maybe the upcoming new Captain Marvel mentioned elsewhere in this
thread resulted in pressure from above to write Genis out.
>2. Songbird and Zemo - wasn't he a Nazi once? What hold has he got on
>her?
Nope. His father was a Nazi, and he was certainly raised in a Nazi-ish
environment, but he's never really espoused Nazi ideology or self-identified
as a follower of the movement. He's more of the classic "I must rule the
world for its own good" mold.
And Zemo is not only a charismatic fellow, he also has a reality
controlling plot device. Regardless of his claims to the contrary, he may
well be using that power to manipulate the other Thunderbolts. Songbird's
stated reason of getting close to Zemo in order to better betray him may be
her real reason, or it may be something suggested by the Moonstones.
Mind you, in one possible future, Genis and Songbird marry and have
kids (one of whom turns out pretty badly). Zemo may be unknowingly taking
Genis's role in this future. One of those destiny thread things.
>3. It feels a bit like one of those reality shows where everything is
>love-triangles and getting voted off more than any plot or character
>driven story. Why?
Well, at the moment, they're over-cast. Your basic "What are we gonna
do with X Avengers?" plot, where X is an infeasibly large number. So
winnowing is gonna happen. And keep in mind that love triangles ARE a
character driven story.
Dave Van Domelen, at least Fabian's not also trying to meld in all the
caracters from the wrestling version.
Christian Smith
wrote
>>>2. Songbird and Zemo - wasn't he a Nazi once? What hold has he got on
>>>her?
>>None, she's using him (as she says in issue 101) to make it easier for
>>her to kill him later on.
>
>Why does she want to kill him?
Not really been explained yet, but I'm guessing the general sneakiness
and the having 2 moonstones is a big reason not to want him around!
>
>>>3. It feels a bit like one of those reality shows where everything is
>>>love-triangles and getting voted off more than any plot or character
>>>driven story. Why?
>
>What I guess I was trying to ask (despite my lack of eloquence!) is why
>the team structure always seemed so temporary. Issue upon issue seemed
>to hinge on 'Who's going to be on the team this week?'. The only story
>that didn't involve someone leaving or joining the team i can recall
>off-hand is the one where they trashed the New Avengers (that was
>sweet!) but that may be my shoddy memory as much as anything.
>
Apart from the reset of the team, yeah, I guess we had the firing of
Abe/Donny and hiring of Nighthawk, but I like the fact that the team
isn't a nice family unit like the Avengers and can change on a dime.
BUT, I'd be very happy if the team stayed fairly solid for a couple of
story arcs now
>And I do like the cast in 101 as long as they do get rid of Swordsman
>(lame, lame, lame)
I actually like Andreas as a T-Bolt, more than any of the new recruits
>and Zemo (a bit too evil for redemption - instead
>needs to be whooped by Captain America)
I like the non-scarred Zemo, especially after the Becoming
Heroes/Villians arcs and Avengers/Tbolts. Still quite a nasty bugger,
but I actually think he thinks he's doing it for the right (if long
term and big picture) reason
>
>But more importantly - why does Songbird want to kill Zemo?
<g>
papamidnite
>Moonstones. Due to Genis's connection to cosmic forces (like, how he managed
>to destroy the universe and recreate it), this was very dangerous, and Zemo
>found that he couldn't fix it any way short of killing Genis.
Like i said, forced and strange!!
>Well, at the moment, they're over-cast. Your basic "What are we gonna
>do with X Avengers?" plot, where X is an infeasibly large number. So
>winnowing is gonna happen. And keep in mind that love triangles ARE a
>character driven story.
A fair point...
Zemo and Zemo senior aren't the same person? I guess that's why he
looks 40 years younger then! I'm not being sarcastic here - i honestly
thought when he was talking about not being scarred that he was telling
Songbird about why he didn't look like a prune anymore...
I feel a bit silly here...
Dave Van Domelen
papamidnite <papam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Zemo and Zemo senior aren't the same person? I guess that's why he
>looks 40 years younger then! I'm not being sarcastic here - i honestly
>thought when he was talking about not being scarred that he was telling
>Songbird about why he didn't look like a prune anymore...
It gets weirder.
Heinrich Zemo was the WWII badguy, whose mask was permanently affixed to
his face (via his invention, Adhesive X) pretty much from his first
appearance onward. He hid out in a Latin American jungle after WWII, and had
a son, Helmut. When Heinrich died in a conflict with Captain America
(single-digit issues of the original Avengers book), Helmut swore vengeance,
but was still too young to carry it out.
Cut ahead many real life years, and Helmut pops up as The Phoenix (no
relation to Jean Grey). He gets knocked into a vat of boiling Adhesive X
while not wearing the mask part of his protective costume, and his face was
horribly scarred. In his next appearance, he took to wearing a costume based
on his father's, and calling himself Baron Zemo. His mask was NOT stuck to
his face, but he preferred not taking it off. He wore disguises on occasion
when he wanted to go without the hood, and I think he may have gotten his
hood glued to his face briefly in a fit of irony, but it wasn't permanent.
Now, in the first run of Thunderbolts, Helmut got killed, his mind
uploaded. He eventually managed to download himself into the body of the
Helmut Zemo from Counter-Earth (the "Heroes Reborn" version made by Franklin
Richards). This gave him an unscarred face, not to mention life. So not
only is he not the same Baron Zemo as the one in WWII, he's not even really
the same one as in early Thunderbolts. (Aside: the second Moonstone also
came from Counter-Earth.)
Dave Van Domelen, off to teach physics....
shawn h
papamidnite wrote:
>
> Some things that I need explained to me please!
>
> 1. Genis - why did they need to kill him? I don't get it - it felt
> forced and very strange.
It seemed like he was too powerful, and just had never really become a
character in the wake of his father's demise. I don't think FabNic
really knew what to do with him; Atlas and Moonstone and Mimi were more
interesting.
> 2. Songbird and Zemo - wasn't he a Nazi once? What hold has he got on
> her?
Well, according to the recent issue, it's more like what hold she has
on him. But according to him, he's been through many transformations
(especially on Counter-Earth, where he got a new body), and he now
believes he's acting nobly.
> 3. It feels a bit like one of those reality shows where everything is
> love-triangles and getting voted off more than any plot or character
> driven story. Why?
Because that's in style right now?
shawn h.
Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq.
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Hey Jess,
Here's the information I was able to gather simply by asking Kurt and Fabian
(and roughing them up a bit) back in my Yeager days.
1. The success of the *awesome* Avengers/Thunderbolts mini two years ago
(which involved all-original team members) helped give the new ongoing
series the green light.
2. Inexplicably, the same two people that gave us that mini -- Kurt and
Fabian -- decided to offer us a completely different Thunderbolts line-up
for the debut of the ongoing itself, featuring only Atlas, Mach IV and
Songbird as recognizable entities, and loading up the majority of the roster
with unknown C-listers. This was a bold move, considering Avengers
Disassembled had already crippled the book of its heart (Hawkeye). The
ongoing made nowhere near the same numbers as the mini.
3. Surprisingly, the man who chose the new line-up for the 'bolts (Blizzard,
Speed Demon, Joystick, Radioactive Man, Captain Marvel) was not Fabian, but
rather Kurt Busiek himself. I don't know *why* Kurt would break up his own
successful team, or how smart it was for Marvel to allow the guy who's only
under contract to plot the outlines of the first arc (Kurt) to be the one to
pick the roster, as opposed to the guy who will actually script the thing on
a monthly basis (Fabe), but it's hard to argue with the guy who created the
TB concept in the first place. If he says this new roster will work, you
can't help but want to give it a try.
4. As we now know, the C-list roster failed. And when Kurt's contract ended
after issue #6, Fabian was on his own. He could have re-introduced the old
team as of issue #7, but inexplicably elected to go even *further* down the
path already undertaken alongside Kurt in the first arc, splitting the
already very thin roster up. That decision proved costly. At its lowest ebb,
I believe the book was selling under 20k (I think our posts here on RACMU
are read by more people than New Thunderbolts was *grin*).
5. Despite my own numerous pleas for Fabian to give up trying to make us
care about too many C-listers at the same time, it wasn't until the third
arc that he finally went with reason and began the big clean-up. One by one,
the C-listers are being progressively replaced by their original and
better-known counterparts, whom themselves are only B-listers. Nonetheless,
Zemo, Techno, Moonstone, even Erik's long lost brother... they all returned,
in a last-ditch effort to save the book from cancellation. Unfortunately, I
fear it may have happened too late.
And that's where we are now. For what it's worth, in fairness to him, had
Fabian NOT stuck to his guns through 2 entire arcs and the book gotten
cancelled anyway, he would have been accused of bailing too fast on Kurt's
proposed roster for this team, and not sticking it out long enough to reap
the rewards. He'd be living with "what ifs", and there's nothing worse than
that. It's too easy for me to sit here and say "I told you so" after the
fact. That's why I admire him for sticking it out as long as he did.
Add to this additional complications stemming from the fact that Bendis and
other Marvel writers closer to the EIC completely ignored everything that
was going on in New Thunderbolts, as if this title existed out of
continuity... not to mention Marvel's orders for Captain Marvel to change
his name just a few issues in, confusing people that much more (apparently,
Marvel had plans for the name, but we never saw those plans develop...
unless they have something to do with the current Annihilation event). All
things Fabian (and likely Kurt) didn't expect to happen, but that are all
part of writing comics for the Big 2.
Tarquin B.
--
Joker: "Hey, what's going on here, why am I
unclothed in front of a closet with all these
crappy comics everywhere?"
TB: "Lesson #1: Never invite Shawn H
over for drinks."
Yehat
Helmut was alive during WWII and was about Bucky's age. He tried to
kill Bucky in one story that was told a while back. He wasn't born
during Henrich's exile in the jungle.
On a different subject, I was thinking of the Constrictor as a possible
T-Bolt member. He has been trying to reform.
bar...@shentel.net
papamidnite wrote:
> >>2. Songbird and Zemo - wasn't he a Nazi once? What hold has he got on
> >>her?
> >None, she's using him (as she says in issue 101) to make it easier for
> >her to kill him later on.
>
> Why does she want to kill him?
>
> >>3. It feels a bit like one of those reality shows where everything is
> >>love-triangles and getting voted off more than any plot or character
> >>driven story. Why?
>
> What I guess I was trying to ask (despite my lack of eloquence!) is why
> the team structure always seemed so temporary. Issue upon issue seemed
> to hinge on 'Who's going to be on the team this week?'. The only story
> that didn't involve someone leaving or joining the team i can recall
> off-hand is the one where they trashed the New Avengers (that was
> sweet!) but that may be my shoddy memory as much as anything.
The problem was these guys were built on the fly and not everyone was
as commited to the stated goals as they seem. That's a type of realism
people never seem to think of. Instead of groups of people coming
together and continuing to not get along they actually leave.
>
> And I do like the cast in 101 as long as they do get rid of Swordsman
> (lame, lame, lame) and Zemo (a bit too evil for redemption - instead
> needs to be whooped by Captain America)
>
> But more importantly - why does Songbird want to kill Zemo?
She probably feels he's to dangerous.
JLB
bar...@shentel.net
papamidnite wrote:
> >Well, at the moment, they're over-cast. Your basic "What are we gonna
> >do with X Avengers?" plot, where X is an infeasibly large number. So
> >winnowing is gonna happen. And keep in mind that love triangles ARE a
> >character driven story.
I don't know. 10 is a bit large, but they could just decide not to
take every member out on a mission. Seven seems to be the favorite
number qhwn it comes to superhero teams, and while sometimes it feels
to large, there are occasions where it's seemed kind of small.
JLB
bar...@shentel.net
I personally think he hasn't completely replaced the Counter-Earth
which might explain his "mood swings" for lack of a better word.
They're similar enough that it's not noticable all the time, but
sometimes his actions might seem to conflict.
JLB
bar...@shentel.net
Not quite inexplicably. The mini left Zemo scarred again, Moonstone
catatonic, Plantman powered down and going to serve his jailtime,
Techno skipped out on them when the going got rough and Jolt went back
to COunter-Earth after her brief guest appearence.
JLB
Daibhid Ceanaideach
Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq. wrote:
>> 1. The success of the *awesome* Avengers/Thunderbolts mini
>> two years ago (which involved all-original team members)
>> helped give the new ongoing series the green light.
>>
>> 2. Inexplicably, the same two people that gave us that
>> mini -- Kurt and Fabian -- decided to offer us a
>> completely different Thunderbolts line-up for the debut of
>> the ongoing itself, featuring only Atlas, Mach IV and
>> Songbird as recognizable entities, and loading up the
>> majority of the roster with unknown C-listers. This was a
>> bold move, considering Avengers Disassembled had already
>> crippled the book of its heart (Hawkeye). The ongoing made
>> nowhere near the same numbers as the mini.
>
> Not quite inexplicably. The mini left Zemo scarred again,
> Moonstone catatonic, Plantman powered down and going to
> serve his jailtime, Techno skipped out on them when the
> going got rough and Jolt went back to COunter-Earth after
> her brief guest appearence.
Yes, but Kurt and Fabe could have undone any of that (or not
done it in the first place) if they wanted these guys back on
the team.
--
Dave
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the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq.
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> Also Sprach bar...@shentel.net:
> Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq. wrote:
>
>>> 2. Inexplicably, the same two people that gave us that
>>> mini -- Kurt and Fabian -- decided to offer us a
>>> completely different Thunderbolts line-up for the debut of
>>> the ongoing itself, featuring only Atlas, Mach IV and
>>> Songbird as recognizable entities, and loading up the
>>> majority of the roster with unknown C-listers. This was a
>>> bold move, considering Avengers Disassembled had already
>>> crippled the book of its heart (Hawkeye). The ongoing made
>>> nowhere near the same numbers as the mini.
>>
>> Not quite inexplicably. The mini left Zemo scarred again,
>> Moonstone catatonic, Plantman powered down and going to
>> serve his jailtime, Techno skipped out on them when the
>> going got rough and Jolt went back to COunter-Earth after
>> her brief guest appearence.
>
> Yes, but Kurt and Fabe could have undone any of that (or not
> done it in the first place) if they wanted these guys back on
> the team.
And they did. They just did it 3 story arcs too late.
bar...@shentel.net
Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq. wrote:
> "Daibhid Ceanaideach" <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns97B1CF95...@130.133.1.4...
> > Also Sprach bar...@shentel.net:
> > Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq. wrote:
> >
> >>> 2. Inexplicably, the same two people that gave us that
> >>> mini -- Kurt and Fabian -- decided to offer us a
> >>> completely different Thunderbolts line-up for the debut of
> >>> the ongoing itself, featuring only Atlas, Mach IV and
> >>> Songbird as recognizable entities, and loading up the
> >>> majority of the roster with unknown C-listers. This was a
> >>> bold move, considering Avengers Disassembled had already
> >>> crippled the book of its heart (Hawkeye). The ongoing made
> >>> nowhere near the same numbers as the mini.
> >>
> >> Not quite inexplicably. The mini left Zemo scarred again,
> >> Moonstone catatonic, Plantman powered down and going to
> >> serve his jailtime, Techno skipped out on them when the
> >> going got rough and Jolt went back to COunter-Earth after
> >> her brief guest appearence.
> >
> > Yes, but Kurt and Fabe could have undone any of that (or not
> > done it in the first place) if they wanted these guys back on
> > the team.
>
> And they did. They just did it 3 story arcs too late.
>
> Tarquin B.
Actually they haven't. Zemo is unscarred, but Moonstone is still
catatonic, Plantman is still in jail, and Jolt is still on
Counter-Earth. Only Techno is back, because Zemo wouldn't be bothered
by that sort of thing.
As for not doing it, I don't believe New Thunderbolts was guarenteed at
the time Avengers/THunderbolts was published. Therefore they didn't
need to have an established team at the finale.
JLB
JLB
Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq.
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> Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq. wrote:
>> "Daibhid Ceanaideach" <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns97B1CF95...@130.133.1.4...
>> > Also Sprach bar...@shentel.net:
>> > Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq. wrote:
>> >
>> >>> 2. Inexplicably, the same two people that gave us that
>> >>> mini -- Kurt and Fabian -- decided to offer us a
>> >>> completely different Thunderbolts line-up for the debut of
>> >>> the ongoing itself, featuring only Atlas, Mach IV and
>> >>> Songbird as recognizable entities, and loading up the
>> >>> majority of the roster with unknown C-listers. This was a
>> >>> bold move, considering Avengers Disassembled had already
>> >>> crippled the book of its heart (Hawkeye). The ongoing made
>> >>> nowhere near the same numbers as the mini.
>> >>
>> >> Not quite inexplicably. The mini left Zemo scarred again,
>> >> Moonstone catatonic, Plantman powered down and going to
>> >> serve his jailtime, Techno skipped out on them when the
>> >> going got rough and Jolt went back to COunter-Earth after
>> >> her brief guest appearence.
>> >
>> > Yes, but Kurt and Fabe could have undone any of that (or not
>> > done it in the first place) if they wanted these guys back on
>> > the team.
>>
>> And they did. They just did it 3 story arcs too late.
>
> catatonic, Plantman is still in jail, and Jolt is still on
> Counter-Earth.
*sighs* You missed the point. They're back. And what happened at the end of
Avengers/Thunderbolts did not keep them from coming back.
Additionally, what's happening now easily could have happened 15 issues ago.
Your earlier assertion that it couldn't because of where the characters were
left off at the end of the mini is just ridiculous. What further proof do
you need other than the simple fact that they've all been recently
re-introduced?
We're talking about comics here. Being in Hell didn't prevent Dr Doom from
picking up Thor's hammer in the last issue of FF, did it? Why does Moostone
being catatonic means she can't wake up at the snap of a finger?
When the characters are needed, they simply come off the shelves and get
utilized. Period. To argue that they CAN'T be used because of what happened
to them 2 years ago in a mini is like arguing with a child.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, just take my and Dave's word for
it : the original roster was not off-limits for anyone at issue #1. The only
one they couldn't use was Hawkeye. End of story.
Tarquin B.
bar...@shentel.net
I wasn't saying they were off limits, I was saying their absence wasn't
inexplicable. Start up with the disassembled team put back together
and you either have to have a gap that has to be explained eventually
and can distract from the initial story, or you have to devote the
story to getting them back into fighting condition and getting them
back together.
I noticed in an earlier post that you suggested you're worried about
the book being cancelled. I'm not sure that's an immediate concern, as
I've heard something about a new mini featuring Tiger Shark and some
other villains doing the T-bolts thing. If they have enough faith in
them to do a series with a similar concept then I think the original is
fairly safe.
JLB
papamidnite
I never picked up any of the original 'bolts although I was really
interested in the concept. I got into the relaunch (which has kind of
proven not to be a relaunch as so many of the storylines seem to
continue from the original) and from what i can see on the newsgroup
people are pretty passionate about the storylines and characters. And
to be honest, I'm enjoying the title a lot (especially seeing as it
gave me my fix of old school art - I like a good variety of styles in
what I read and Grummett was a good artist without being overly
stylized) - it just seemed a bit difficult to wade through to someone
who wasn't familiar with the previous storylines. I think I'm going to
grab myself some trades and pick up what i can from the old stories.
See - i thought a lot of the stories were coming out of left field but
what I'm picking up from you guys is that a lot of them are just
picking up from where they left off prior to the renumbering...
So - Tiger Shark, eh? I'm not sure that I want to read that... Anyone
know who'll be writing it?
Jess
papamidnite
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Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq.
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God, you're so infuriating. Jesus Christ! If I'm telling you it was
inexplicable that Fabian and Kurt would not go with the same roster that
made the mini successful and green-lit the ongoing, then I AM NOT TALKING
ABOUT THE STORYLINE. I am talking about real-world, behind the curtain,
backstage politics.
They gambled and lost. And for those of us who rightfully expected the
mini's roster being featured in the subsequent ongoing, it *was*
inexplicable that they're present us with an entirely new line-up of
C-listers.
PS: "Inexplicable" is AN EXPRESSION. It's not an invitation for you to jump
out of the bushes and point out a possible in-story explanation for their
absences.
"Moonstone was catatonic, that's why she wasn't there."
Jesus! Why do you keep trolling me for insults like this? I am trying so
hard not to insult you, but you are making it very challenging for me.
Tarquin B.
Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq.
> Also Sprach papamidnite:
>
>> Totally off topic, but I HAVE TO SAY IT...
>>
>> The events of Inifinite Crisis #7 put Batman, Superman,
>> Wonder Woman and Jon J Yeager out of action for a year.
>>
>> Tarquin Biscuitbarrel is JJY - One Year Later!!!
>
> Nah, he's the House of M version.
Where mutants rule, and puny humans do our bidding.
Mouahaha!
You've got 52 weeks of putting up with this zanyness. Then the villain
returns.
Tarquin B.
bar...@shentel.net
Okay, it's your opinion that it was inexplicable. And I am not
trolling. I am presenting my POV, same as you are.
JLB
Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq.
news:1146162563.3...@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Okay, it's your opinion that it was inexplicable. And I am not
> trolling. I am presenting my POV, same as you are.
Yeah, but mine's right!
(Foolin' around here...)
Tarquin B.
--
"If having worked on Ren and Stimpy doesn't
convince Junior-kunt that Dan Slott is one of the
great writers of our time, I don't know what will."
Dan McEwen
news:1146062068.0...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> 1. Genis - why did they need to kill him? I don't get it - it felt
> forced and very strange.
I'm not sure, but it seems that _someone_ is going to be Captain Marvel
in the near future. Possibly Mar-Vell's other son.
> 2. Songbird and Zemo - wasn't he a Nazi once? What hold has he got on
> her?
The most recent issue gives an indication.
> What do people think about the book?
I like it a lot.
--
"Those who would give up essential
Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither
Liberty nor Safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Dan McEwen
news:1146063398.4...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
> And I do like the cast in 101 as long as they do get rid of Swordsman
> (lame, lame, lame) and Zemo (a bit too evil for redemption - instead
> needs to be whooped by Captain America)
I actually thought it was interesting the way Swordsman is still capable
of using his powers. In the long run, I don't think he's the sort that
will want to be redeemed, but he can go along for the ride. As for
Zemo, I agree he's not going for redemption. I think he's got something
up his sleeve.
> But more importantly - why does Songbird want to kill Zemo?
Er, maybe for the reasons why you think he's beyond redemption? At
least one alternate future had Songbird reformed and among the Avengers.
She seems to be *the* example of true redemption. The others just go
along so long as it works.
Dan McEwen
news:1146075775.6...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
> On a different subject, I was thinking of the Constrictor as a
> possible T-Bolt member. He has been trying to reform.
Let him hang out with Domino. Hasn't he been doing that lately?
Personally, I'm looking forward to a significant number of *failed*
attempts at redemption.
Peter Mason
stuff Busiek set up beforehand such as the 1st Citizen V Dallas Riordan
or the scarring of Zemo considering that he apparently retconned both
of them.
Hal Shipman
wrote:
I think that you should consider more strongly that Fabian and Kurt
collaborated on the relaunch and have explicitly shown respect and
interest in each other's work on the title before you make such
assumptions.
Hal.
I don't wear no Stetson
But I'm willing to bet, son
That I'm as big a Texan as you are
- Robert Earl Keen, "Amarillo Highway"
Tarquin Biscuitbarrel, Esq.
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That was my first reaction too, especially after the roster for New
Thunderbolts was unveiled. How dare Fabian disrespect Kurt's core team and
concept this much?!, I thought.
Then I found out it was actually Kurt's idea to use this roster, and Fabian
was the one with the hesitations.
Lesson : We think we know, but we don't always know.
Bort
papamidnite wrote:
> I really WANT to like this book. I don't know why, but the idea of
> redemption for the characters is kind of sweet and some of the cast
> (Dr. Chen, Blizzard, Joystick) are really fun to read about.
>
Is this the joystick that was around during the late 90's spidey
stories?
Man, i thought she was just your run of the mill stock villain, i can't
believe she's still be used.
What's next, they bring back the scorcher?
~consul
She is pretty good to have around. She doesn't mind being naked. :)
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For within these Trials, we
shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, Jameson Stalanthas Yu -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>