Just re-read Avengers #255...
UrizenACB
Andree Hobrak
UrizenACB wrote:
>
> Wow, that Buscema and Palmer art team was fantastic...what are they doing now?
agreed.
Kenmlin
>
> Wow, that Buscema and Palmer art team was fantastic...what are they doing
now?
I also think that Stern/Busema/Palmer era was the best run of Avengers,
especially with Mark Gruenwald editing.
Stern defected to DC due to some disagreement about a story outcome (Dr.
Druid?) and he hasn't been doing much since. His revival of DC characters Atom
and Starman flopped big time. If Kurt ever decides to leave Avengers, I'd like
to see Stern come aboard for a second tour.
I would imagine Busema must've retired by now.
Palmer was most recently inking Byrne's X-Men: The Hidden Years series.
Ken
RogLStern
>I also think that Stern/Busema/Palmer era was the best run of Avengers,
>especially with Mark Gruenwald editing.
Thanks.
>Stern defected to DC due to some disagreement about a story outcome (Dr.
>Druid?)
"Defected?" I was fired for disagreeing with my editor. And it had nothing to
do with Dr. Druid.
>... and he hasn't been doing much since. His revival of DC characters
>Atom
>and Starman flopped big time.
Granted that Power of the Atom and Starman could have been more successful ...
but I left them long before they were canceled. And I did write Superman for
ten years.
And I guess you missed my recent work on Iron Man, three Avengers miniseries,
Marvel Universe, The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman ... but you're right in that
I haven't been doing much for the past seven months, other than looking for
work.
>If Kurt ever decides to leave Avengers, I'd
>like
>to see Stern come aboard for a second tour.
Boy, that would be a tough act to follow! But I wouldn't look for that to
happen. Kurt seems prety happy on the Avengers, and I hope he stays there a
good long time.
>I would imagine Busema must've retired by now.
That's the theory, but Big John still shows up here and there. He drew a Hulk
story of mine for Marvel's Shadows & Light book ... and he's drawn (or is
drawing) Stan Lee's Superman one-shot for DC.
>Palmer was most recently inking Byrne's X-Men: The Hidden Years series.
>
And is currently inking the Hulk.
-- Roger Stern
(Will Write for Food)
Thomas Galloway
Hmm. Artists do sketches, including character combos that fans want to see
but wouldn't appear in print. Seems fair that writers get in on it...
So, Roger, what kind of food are we talking about for, say, a nice
Will Peyton 3-parter? Spago? A week at McDonald's? A personal chef from
Cornell's hotel school? :-)
(Seriously, hope you get more work soon)
tyg t...@panix.com
Matt Adler
> And I guess you missed my recent work on Iron Man, three Avengers
miniseries,
> Marvel Universe, The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman ... but you're right in
that
> I haven't been doing much for the past seven months, other than looking
for
> work.
I'd like to see you on a Spider-Man book, Captain America, or Fantastic
Four. If you were offered one of those, which would you pick (if any)?
--
"Hmm, Mr. Immortal has the makings of an interesting concept, but c'mon,
Flatman is kind of dopey."
"Dopey? Where's your SENSE OF WONDER? Your vacant eyes betray the DEADNESS
OF YOUR VERY SOUL!"
-- As told by Adam Cadre
Leviathan
> And I guess you missed my recent work on Iron Man
{SNIPPEROONIE!}
> (Will Write for Food)
I'll buy you dinner if you'll take over Iron Man right now!
--
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Leviathan of the GEI - Detached
jsh...@leviathanstudios.com
http://www.leviathanstudios.com/
"Talk about passing the time!"
-Special Agent Fox W. Mulder, FBI
Terence Chua
rogl...@aol.com (RogLStern) wrote:
> ken...@aol.com wrote:
> >Stern defected to DC due to some disagreement about a story outcome (Dr.
> >Druid?)
>
> "Defected?" I was fired for disagreeing with my editor. And it had nothing
> to
> do with Dr. Druid.
Oh, I completely missed this little tidbit the first time around. Can
you talk about what the disagreement was? I did think your departure was
a bit abrupt, but I had no idea...
----------
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Bala Menon
news:20010516112428...@ng-ff1.aol.com...
> ken...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >... and he hasn't been doing much since.
> >His revival of DC characters Atom
> >and Starman flopped big time.
>
> Granted that Power of the Atom and Starman
> could have been more successful ...
> but I left them long before they were canceled.
Ray Palmer's been a favourite of mine for a very
long time, and I enjoyed those Power of the Atom
tales a lot.
But I will point out that the Will Payton Starman is
my favourite of all the Starmen ever. That was a
great run of stories.
--
Bala Menon (b.m...@worldnet.att.net)
Mark W Modrall
to say, i thought the whole Atom the Barbarian stuff was done
away with much too summarily... I really liked the Atom of the
jungle approach, and to have it all wiped away in the first 2
pages was a disappointment...
On the other hand, I've always thought that the Stern/Byrne run
on Cap was the best ever produced! If the PTB have the sense,
I'd love to see Mr. Stern return to Cap!
-mark
In article <9dvg60$97rt$2...@ID-40971.news.dfncis.de>,
RogLStern
> I'll buy you dinner if you'll take over Iron Man right now! <
If you were the editor, I would be happy to take you up on the offer.
--RS
RogLStern
>In article <20010516112428...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
> rogl...@aol.com (RogLStern) wrote:
>
>> ken...@aol.com wrote:
>> >Stern defected to DC due to some disagreement about a story outcome (Dr.
>> >Druid?)
>>
>> "Defected?" I was fired for disagreeing with my editor. And it had
>nothing
>> to
>> do with Dr. Druid.
>
>Oh, I completely missed this little tidbit the first time around. Can
>you talk about what the disagreement was? I did think your departure was
>a bit abrupt, but I had no idea...
>
Sales on Captain America were weak at the time, and I was asked to remove
Captain Marvel from the leadership of the Avengers, to basically have her screw
up, so Cap could come in and take over. (How this was supposed to help the
sales of Cap's own book, I'm still not certain.) I expressed misgivings about
this idea, but was told,"You'll find a way to make it work."
I wasn't happy with these working orders, but I tried for a couple of weeks to
come up with a story that wouldn't make Marvel look a) racist or b) sexist.
Couldn't do it.
And when I expressed renewed misgivings in a memo to my editor, I was fired.
--RS
RogLStern
>Ray Palmer's been a favourite of mine for a very
>long time, and I enjoyed those Power of the Atom
>tales a lot.
>But I will point out that the Will Payton Starman is
>my favourite of all the Starmen ever. That was a
>great run of stories.
Thanks, Bala. It was fun while it lasted.
-- RS
RogLStern
>While i bought every one of the Power of the Atom series, i have
>to say, i thought the whole Atom the Barbarian stuff was done
>away with much too summarily... I really liked the Atom of the
>jungle approach, and to have it all wiped away in the first 2
>pages was a disappointment...
Sorry it wasn't your cup of tea, Mark.
Actually, there were two issues about the barbarian stuff, but one was in an
issue of Secret Origins. (And if I'd known at the time how bad the sales on
S.O. were, I would have lobbied to put everything into the Power of the Atom
book!)
>On the other hand, I've always thought that the Stern/Byrne run
>on Cap was the best ever produced! If the PTB have the sense,
>I'd love to see Mr. Stern return to Cap!
>
Thanks.
--RS
RogLStern
>I'd like to see you on a Spider-Man book, Captain America, or Fantastic
>Four. If you were offered one of those, which would you pick (if any)?
If I were given the opportunity to choose (and I'm not holding my breath for
that one!), it would depend on who the artists and editors were going to be.
--RS
Dave Potter
>
>If you were the editor, I would be happy to take you up on the offer.
I will buy you and Tom Brevoort (isn't he the new editor on IM) dinner if it
happens.
Read Comics and Become Cool
www.savantmag.com
John C. Baker
troj...@aol.comNOSPAM (Dave Potter) wrote:
> >> I'll buy you dinner if you'll take over Iron Man right now! <
> >
Roger Stern wrote:
> >If you were the editor, I would be happy to take you up on the offer.
>
> I will buy you and Tom Brevoort (isn't he the new editor on IM) dinner if it
> happens.
And I'll pick up dessert!
Terence Chua
rogl...@aol.com (RogLStern) wrote:
> Sales on Captain America were weak at the time, and I was asked to remove
> Captain Marvel from the leadership of the Avengers, to basically have her
> screw
> up, so Cap could come in and take over. (How this was supposed to help the
> sales of Cap's own book, I'm still not certain.) I expressed misgivings
> about
> this idea, but was told,"You'll find a way to make it work."
>
> I wasn't happy with these working orders, but I tried for a couple of weeks
> to
> come up with a story that wouldn't make Marvel look a) racist or b) sexist.
> Couldn't do it.
>
> And when I expressed renewed misgivings in a memo to my editor, I was fired.
Ouch. Well, they were idiots, whoever they were. Avengers pretty much
jumped the shark for me once you left, Buscema and Palmer the only
reasons keeping me around. When Byrne came in and started screwing over
everyone (around Acts of Vengeance time), that was about when I gave up.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Mark W Modrall
RogLStern <rogl...@aol.com> wrote:
>Actually, there were two issues about the barbarian stuff, but one was in an
>issue of Secret Origins. (And if I'd known at the time how bad the sales on
>S.O. were, I would have lobbied to put everything into the Power of the Atom
>book!)
what were the two issues, and which was in S.O? I know very well that
a lot of other people thought the barbarian stuff for the Atom lame, but i
liked it... When i read the first barbarian issue, my first reaction was
that they couldn't seem to leave any married hero alone (though i can see how
happily married life doesn't afford as much dramatic conflict as a writer
would hope for and how the super-hero's life doesn't make for long-term
relationships), but i thought the jungle thing let Ray get out and explore
the get-small world without a lot of encumberance...
it just occurred to me that there was an interesting psychological
theme that wasn't explored in that situation - here he is in a society whose
relative proportions are all on a much smaller scale. They still have "he's
a big guy" and "he's short"... How does Ray choose how tall to be in that
society. They always had the "big conan types" around, but Ray could consciously
choose to be any height he wanted in their society... how did he choose?
>>On the other hand, I've always thought that the Stern/Byrne run
>>on Cap was the best ever produced! If the PTB have the sense,
>>I'd love to see Mr. Stern return to Cap!
>>
>
>Thanks.
to be more pertinent to the other line of discussion in the thread,
do reader campaigns really have any impact on writer choices? and if so, who
should we be writing?
-mark
Timothy Butler
Roger,
Not to pander or anything, but this is insane. Someone with your talent
should be snatched up immediately. There are a lot of books out there
that
would benefit from your great storytelling abilities. I agree with the
assessments of your run on the Avengers. Great stories all around, and
while I wouldn't want to see Kurt leave that title, you'd be the obvious
choice if he ever did. I'd love to see you writing Spider-Man or Iron
Man
right now. And why not bring you on board on Captain America after
Jurgens
leaves?
I'm serious when I say that when I pick up a book that you've written, I
know I'm going to be reading a good story. I'd love to see you on a
monthly
title again.
--
Tim
-----------------
"Much can be learned of dead man by what he has on person. Mr. Smart,
please to search pockets."
"Comb. Handkerchief. Wallet. Keys to my apartment."
"Moment, please, Mr. Smart. Dead man has keys to your apartment?"
"Oh. You mean search HIS pockets."
"Amazing."
Matt Adler
> Not to pander or anything, but this is insane. Someone with your talent
> should be snatched up immediately. There are a lot of books out there
> that
> would benefit from your great storytelling abilities. I agree with the
> assessments of your run on the Avengers. Great stories all around, and
> while I wouldn't want to see Kurt leave that title, you'd be the obvious
> choice if he ever did. I'd love to see you writing Spider-Man or Iron
> Man
> right now. And why not bring you on board on Captain America after
> Jurgens
> leaves?
Seems like there's a lot of support for Roger to take over Captain America.
Kevin J. Maroney
>And when I expressed renewed misgivings in a memo to my editor, I was fired.
That still remains a shame. I've mentioned here before--and perhaps to
you--that most of your run of _Avengers_ was not to my taste, but your
last year or so on it was first-rate, as if you had finally had some
sort of conceptual breakthrough in handling the team. And then you
were gone....
I think that firing was one of Gruenwald's few major mistakes as a
book editor.
--
Kevin J. Maroney | Unplugged Games | kmar...@ungames.com
"Thank you for your cooperation, Mr. Maroney. You are free
to leave."--Hyperion, _Squadron Supreme_ (by Mark Gruenwald)
GQ11479
>> I'll buy you dinner if you'll take over Iron Man right now! <
>
>If you were the editor, I would be happy to take you up on the offer.
>
>--RS
Hear that, Joe Q???
GQ11479
And I'll have Junior's mail you a cheesecake for late night noshings!
--GQ11479
(President of the Bring in Steve Purcell! Movement)
GQ11479
>on Cap was the best ever produced! If the PTB have the sense,
>I'd love to see Mr. Stern return to Cap!
>
>-mark
Absolutely...in fact, when I was around 10 years old, my dad bought me some of
their stories collected in that B&W digest format...(the first one was the
2-part Cap/Union Jack/Baron Blood saga, and the other one was "Captain America
for President") that book has long since lost both its front and back cover,
but it's still with the rest of my collection, and I've been a fan of Captain
America ever since...
If there isn't anyone lined up yet, by all means, do consider Roger Stern!
Timothy Butler
Matt Adler wrote:
>
> "Timothy Butler" <tbu...@ford.com> wrote:
>
> > Not to pander or anything, but this is insane. Someone with your talent
> > should be snatched up immediately. There are a lot of books out there
> > that
> > would benefit from your great storytelling abilities. I agree with the
> > assessments of your run on the Avengers. Great stories all around, and
> > while I wouldn't want to see Kurt leave that title, you'd be the obvious
> > choice if he ever did. I'd love to see you writing Spider-Man or Iron
> > Man
> > right now. And why not bring you on board on Captain America after
> > Jurgens
> > leaves?
>
> Seems like there's a lot of support for Roger to take over Captain America.
I agree. Captain America (post-Jurgens) or Iron Man (about 6 months ago)
would be perfect titles for Roger to take over.
B!
<20010518132632...@ng-fc1.aol.com>:
THAT would make me quite happy.
b-
Martin Phipps
> Terence Chua [kh...@tim.org] wrote:
>
>
> >In article <20010516112428...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
> > rogl...@aol.com (RogLStern) wrote:
> >
> >I was fired for disagreeing with my editor.
> >
> >you talk about what the disagreement was? I did think your departure was
> >a bit abrupt, but I had no idea...
>
> Sales on Captain America were weak at the time, and I was asked to remove
> Captain Marvel from the leadership of the Avengers, to basically have her screw
> up, so Cap could come in and take over. (How this was supposed to help the
> sales of Cap's own book, I'm still not certain.) I expressed misgivings about
> this idea, but was told,"You'll find a way to make it work."
>
> I wasn't happy with these working orders, but I tried for a couple of weeks to
> come up with a story that wouldn't make Marvel look a) racist or b) sexist.
> Couldn't do it.
>
> And when I expressed renewed misgivings in a memo to my editor, I was fired.
Of course, you realise this is pretty much the same story Mark
Gruenwald gave in "Mark's Remarks" except from his point of view. If
I remember correctly he said something like "Roger Stern came to me
with a story idea and I told him he should go with it but when he came
back and told me he couldn't make it work, fearing that it would
tarnish the Avenger's reputation, I told him that I'd find another
writer to do it". I'm sure that Mark legitamately thought that it was
a good story idea (regardless of who came up with it) and that he just
needed to find a writer who could make it work, although the part
about him wanting to boost the sales of Captain America makes sense
too. (Wasn't he writing Captain America at the time?)
Martin
Carl Henderson
>gq1...@aol.com (GQ11479) wrote in
><20010518132632...@ng-fc1.aol.com>:
>>If there isn't anyone lined up yet, by all means, do consider Roger
>>Stern!
>THAT would make me quite happy.
A writer of Stern's caliber would certainly get me buying CAPTAIN AMERICA
again.
--
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Carl Henderson
>I agree. Captain America (post-Jurgens) or Iron Man (about 6 months ago)
>would be perfect titles for Roger to take over.
True. It is inexcusable for a writer of Stern's skill and experience not to be
working--even in this depressed market. He's clearly better than a number of
people with one (or more) regular assignments.
Matt Adler
news:63F29A8633127769.31CF7D68...@lp.airnews.net...
> In article <9e3p9c$f7...@news.abbott.com>, N...@vailable.comics (B!) wrote:
> >gq1...@aol.com (GQ11479) wrote in
> ><20010518132632...@ng-fc1.aol.com>:
>
> >>If there isn't anyone lined up yet, by all means, do consider Roger
> >>Stern!
>
> >THAT would make me quite happy.
>
> A writer of Stern's caliber would certainly get me buying CAPTAIN AMERICA
> again.
Yep, let me again state my support for Roger taking over Cap. I really hope
Marvel doesn't go that rumored Marvel Knights route with Brian Azzarello...
Cap does not need "blood on his hands".
KurtBusiek
story idea and I told him he should go with it but when he came back and told
me he couldn't make it work, fearing that it would tarnish the Avenger's
reputation, I told him that I'd find another writer to do it".>>
That's not actually what Mark said -- he didn't specify who came up with the
idea, just that it came up among the writers and editors of AVENGERS, THOR and
CAPTAIN AMERICA.
The column is in AVENGERS #288, if anyone's interested.
kurt
Alan Travis
> Seems like there's a lot of support for Roger to take over Captain America.
I'd love to see Roger take over Iron Man or Cap, but how in the world do you
connect "lot of support" with the handful of people that have responded to this
thread?
Alan
RogLStern
Alan makes a very good point!
Even before the internet came along, fans always thought that if they liked
someone's work, then every right-thinking person should like it as well. But
tastes vary, and your favorite may be someone else's "most-loathed". (That's
why there's more than one flavor of ice cream.)
I'm honestly very flattered by the responses to this thread, but unless each of
you represent 10,000 or so readers -- or are secretly editors for a great
metropolitan publisher -- I'm afraid that it may be a while (if ever!) before I
can find regular work in comics.
But thanks for all the good thoughts and well wishes!
-- RS
Matt Adler
> Alan makes a very good point!
>
> Even before the internet came along, fans always thought that if they
liked
> someone's work, then every right-thinking person should like it as well.
But
> tastes vary, and your favorite may be someone else's "most-loathed".
(That's
> why there's more than one flavor of ice cream.)
>
> I'm honestly very flattered by the responses to this thread, but unless
each of
> you represent 10,000 or so readers -- or are secretly editors for a great
> metropolitan publisher -- I'm afraid that it may be a while (if ever!)
before I
> can find regular work in comics.
>
> But thanks for all the good thoughts and well wishes!
I dunno. Maybe I'm just a starry-eyed optimist, but I still think there's a
demand for good comics. And good comics come from good creators. People will
buy quality, and more importantly, they'll keep buying quality. Sooner or
later, editors and publishers will have to realize this, and not just be
looking for the newest, "hottest" thing. Fads disappear. Classics don't.
Mark W Modrall
RogLStern <rogl...@aol.com> wrote:
>I'm honestly very flattered by the responses to this thread, but unless each of
>you represent 10,000 or so readers -- or are secretly editors for a great
>metropolitan publisher -- I'm afraid that it may be a while (if ever!) before I
>can find regular work in comics.
my forces are legion - just well concealed :)
hi...@seark.net
Scott Zeller
>
> A writer of Stern's caliber would certainly get me buying CAPTAIN AMERICA
> again.
While I was never exposed to Stern's Captain America (and I haven't
gone back to it due to Byrne's art), I did like his Marvel Universe
and would definitely check out any Captain America work he penned.
Another candidate (if he could prove to me that he still had the
writing chops - Big Town and Hellcat didn't do it for me) would be
Steve Englehart (I started collecting during his Secret Empire arc).
But enough about writers... who would be a good artist?
Thanks,
Scott
Matt Adler
news:a606ab61.01052...@posting.google.com...
I really like the Dan Jurgens and Bob Layton art team... too bad they're
leaving.
GQ11479
>
>Thanks,
>Scott
>
if he wasn't exclusive to DC now, I'd say Ed McGuinness.
How about Tom Grummet or Ron Frenz? Joe Bennett did some good artwork during
the HEROES REBORN time...
Alan Travis
> How about John Ostrander becoming the next writer of Captain America?
He'd be great. That's why he's not going to get the job.
Roger would be great. His phone isn't ringing.
Some 20-30 year old guy that's read a couple crime novels will get the
gig. Expect Cap to perform oral copulation on a canine within a year.
Alan
Alan Travis
> I really like the Dan Jurgens and Bob Layton art team... too bad they're
> leaving.
I always like Layton's inks, but I'm glad to see Jurgens go. The book has been
entertainment poison for years.
Alan
Alan Travis
> if he wasn't exclusive to DC now, I'd say Ed McGuinness.
Ed's too cartoony. He needs to do big sci-fi oriented stuff like Majestic and
Superman.I really like his art, but I just think it would be wrong for Cap.
Maybe FF if Pacheco ever left that title.
> How about Tom Grummet or Ron Frenz? Joe Bennett did some good artwork during
> the HEROES REBORN time...
Grummett is good. Frenz is good, especially if Breeding or Sinnott are inking
him.
Joe Bennett is right out. Had to suffer through his art in the last FF. Bleh.
Alan
Anthony Chelette
GQ11479
>
That'd be cool...all that'd leave is the Fantastic Four, and he'd have drawn
all the big boys in the Marvel Universe, wouldn't he?
Ooh--or how about Andy Kubert? (or is it Adam...whichever one of them DIDN'T
draw Cap following Ron Garney)
Matt Adler
news:3B0B2AFC...@earthlink.net...
The writing, I agree. The art is really good IMO.
hi...@seark.net
Why not do story arcs by different creative teams as is being done on
Daredevil. I would rather have someone come in with their "A" material for
four to six issues and then let someone else bring their best work, instead
of having someone grind out less than spectacular work on a monthly basis.
But if they do go with story arcs, there should be NO excuse for not having
the book on schedule. Get those arcs completed before ever scheduling them.
If it comes down to it, use a "fill-in story". There's no reason a monthly
comic should come out whenever the creative team decides to finish their
work. That kind of work ethic is what doomed many promising creators at
Image a few years ago.
Matt Adler
> Why not do story arcs by different creative teams as is being done on
> Daredevil. I would rather have someone come in with their "A" material
for
> four to six issues and then let someone else bring their best work,
instead
> of having someone grind out less than spectacular work on a monthly basis.
I couldn't disagree more. That would make the titles just a series of
mini-series, rather than a continuing story.
Leigh Hunt
s2ze...@netscape.net (Scott Zeller) wrote:
> While I was never exposed to Stern's Captain America (and I haven't
> gone back to it due to Byrne's art),
Why - there's some beautiful work there - not sure which I prefer, the
Baron Blood or Bartoc and My Hyde stories.
*leigh*
hi...@seark.net
Matt Adler <mad...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
news:HEaP6.55343$MR1.7...@news02.optonline.net...
> <hi...@seark.net> wrote:
>
> > Why not do story arcs by different creative teams as is being done on
> > Daredevil. I would rather have someone come in with their "A" material
> for
> > four to six issues and then let someone else bring their best work,
> instead
> > of having someone grind out less than spectacular work on a monthly
basis.
>
> I couldn't disagree more. That would make the titles just a series of
> mini-series, rather than a continuing story.
>
I would rather have a series of great stories instead of some substandard
neverending soap opera (like the X-Men titles had been the past several
years). I buy comics for great stories and I think my suggestion would
allow for various creators to tell their best Captain America stories.
Besides, if you are going to view small story arcs as limited series, you
have to view long runs on titles as a long maxi-series.
Mark W Modrall
but what about the Baron Strucker story? That's one of the things
i liked best about the Stern run - old, shop-worn villans suddenly seeming
new and interesting again. It was a great mix of nostolgia, continuity and
good writing
back on the subject, i emailed Joe Q, and he said that letter-writing
campaigns on behalf of writers really have no impact whatsoever, alas...
he said "it all depends on what the writer pitches the particular
editor"...
-mark
Matt Adler
> I would rather have a series of great stories instead of some substandard
> neverending soap opera (like the X-Men titles had been the past several
> years). I buy comics for great stories and I think my suggestion would
> allow for various creators to tell their best Captain America stories.
Some of the best runs in comics have been long and with one creator. Peter
David's run on Hulk for example.
hi...@seark.net
> <hi...@seark.net> wrote:
>
> > I would rather have a series of great stories instead of some
substandard
> > neverending soap opera (like the X-Men titles had been the past several
> > years). I buy comics for great stories and I think my suggestion would
> > allow for various creators to tell their best Captain America stories.
>
> Some of the best runs in comics have been long and with one creator. Peter
> David's run on Hulk for example.
>
I don't think it's the number of issues, but rather the quality of the
stories. Peter David's run on Hulk was great, but we also have to remember
runs such Claremount's X-Men and Wolfman's Titans which had many great years
of stories before the writers burned out and began cranking out weak
material. Claremount started so many plot threads that many of them have
still be unresolved decades later.
I'm not saying that there aren't good writers who can write great Captain
America stories for years, I'm just saying short runs by various creators
could yield some great stories.
Matt Adler
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> Matt Adler <mad...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
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> > <hi...@seark.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I would rather have a series of great stories instead of some
> substandard
> > > neverending soap opera (like the X-Men titles had been the past
several
> > > years). I buy comics for great stories and I think my suggestion
would
> > > allow for various creators to tell their best Captain America stories.
> >
> > Some of the best runs in comics have been long and with one creator.
Peter
> > David's run on Hulk for example.
> >
>
> I don't think it's the number of issues, but rather the quality of the
> stories. Peter David's run on Hulk was great, but we also have to
remember
> runs such Claremount's X-Men and Wolfman's Titans which had many great
years
> of stories before the writers burned out and began cranking out weak
> material. Claremount started so many plot threads that many of them have
> still be unresolved decades later.
Well, in that case it's really more the editor's fault for leaving a writer
on a title when it's obvious he has no more stories to tell.
> I'm not saying that there aren't good writers who can write great Captain
> America stories for years, I'm just saying short runs by various creators
> could yield some great stories.
I agree. But there's room for both the short runs and the long ones.
Shouldn't have to be one or the other.
hi...@seark.net
Most of those writers simply go slowly down hill for years until their
material is so bad that they get booted. I would rather see writers bring
their "A" material, tell a tight story, then move on to another title.
Readers shouldn't be subjected to weaker and weaker material as a writer
starts to run out of fresh ideas.
>
> > I'm not saying that there aren't good writers who can write great
Captain
> > America stories for years, I'm just saying short runs by various
creators
> > could yield some great stories.
>
> I agree. But there's room for both the short runs and the long ones.
> Shouldn't have to be one or the other.
>
I'm not talking about sweeping changes for the industry, just having Captain
America go with story arcs like Daredevil. In a perfect world, those arcs
could include stories by John Ostrander, Roger Stern, Mark Waid, Grant
Morrison, Kevin Smith, Greg Rucka, and other A list writers.