The Hulk and Bruce Banner: A Defenders #1 Question
Kevin J. Maroney
impression that, because of his advancing case of ALS, Bruce Banner no
longer *ever* turns into Bruce Banner, but instead spends his time
changing among several forms of the Hulk.
Am I mistaken?
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KurtBusiek
impression that, because of his advancing case of ALS, Bruce Banner no longer
*ever* turns into Bruce Banner, but instead spends his time changing among
several forms of the Hulk. Am I mistaken?>>
Yep.
He rarely changes back to Bruce, but has in fact done so. It's hard to run
tests on Bruce without Bruce manifesting, and Bruce wants some existence-time
just as much as the others.
kurt
Michael Alan Chary
Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>I've been reading _Incredible Hulk_ again for a while, and it was my
>impression that, because of his advancing case of ALS, Bruce Banner no
>longer *ever* turns into Bruce Banner, but instead spends his time
>changing among several forms of the Hulk.
>
>Am I mistaken?
Wait, some tastless, insensitive moron gave Bruce Banner Lou Gehrig's
disease and then gave him the *choice* to turn into a strong body, healthy
body? Joe Casey or PAD?
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Matt Adler
"Michael Alan Chary" <mch...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <qpe46to96lvua80j3...@4ax.com>,
> Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
> >I've been reading _Incredible Hulk_ again for a while, and it was my
> >impression that, because of his advancing case of ALS, Bruce Banner no
> >longer *ever* turns into Bruce Banner, but instead spends his time
> >changing among several forms of the Hulk.
> >
> >Am I mistaken?
>
> Wait, some tastless, insensitive moron gave Bruce Banner Lou Gehrig's
> disease and then gave him the *choice* to turn into a strong body, healthy
> body? Joe Casey or PAD?
Actually, if I understandf the situation correctly, he doesn't have any
choice. He has many different people in him, and they have come to a
power-sharing agreement, so that each of them can have time "on the outside"
without constantly waging internal warfare.
Matt Adler
"Matt Adler" <mad...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
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> > Wait, some tastless, insensitive moron gave Bruce Banner Lou Gehrig's
> > disease and then gave him the *choice* to turn into a strong body,
healthy
> > body? Joe Casey or PAD?
>
> Actually, if I understandf the situation correctly, he doesn't have any
> choice. He has many different people in him, and they have come to a
> power-sharing agreement, so that each of them can have time "on the
outside"
> without constantly waging internal warfare.
Oh, and I think it was Paul Jenkins who created this situation.
Michael Alan Chary
Ah, good, no one does tasteless, moronic insensitivity better than a Brit.
Andurion
Returning to comics after a 10 year hiatus and never really knowing
much about the Hulk in the first place, could someone give me rundown
on the Hulk's various forms? There's the angry one, the smart one, and
the nasty one, but what exactly does that mean? I'm now familiar with
the always lovelable "Hulk Smash" Hulk from Defenders #1. :-)
Is there any particular set of circumstances that favors the appearance
of one personality over another?
Thanks.
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Leaping Larry Jojo
mch...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Michael Alan Chary) wrote:
> In article <3a625...@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>,
> Matt Adler <mad...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> >
> >"Matt Adler" <mad...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> >news:3a625...@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu...
> >>
> >> "Michael Alan Chary" <mch...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote
> >
> >> > Wait, some tastless, insensitive moron gave Bruce Banner Lou
Gehrig's
> >> > disease and then gave him the *choice* to turn into a strong
body,
> >healthy
> >> > body? Joe Casey or PAD?
> >>
> >> Actually, if I understandf the situation correctly, he doesn't
have any
> >> choice. He has many different people in him, and they have come to
a
> >> power-sharing agreement, so that each of them can have time "on the
> >outside"
> >> without constantly waging internal warfare.
> >
> >Oh, and I think it was Paul Jenkins who created this situation.
>
> Ah, good, no one does tasteless, moronic insensitivity better than a
Brit.
Well, with the mess that was left after PAD left the book, it's pretty
hard to find a better solution.
Jojo
Adam Cadre
> Returning to comics after a 10 year hiatus and never really knowing
> much about the Hulk in the first place, could someone give me rundown
> on the Hulk's various forms? There's the angry one, the smart one,
> and the nasty one, but what exactly does that mean?
Angry one = "Hulk SMASH!" version of the Hulk. A big green sulking
two-year-old who insists he just wants to be left alone.
Nasty one = "Joe Fixit" version of the Hulk. He's gray, and weaker
than the other Hulk incarnations -- significantly weaker than the
pineapple-era Thing, for instance. But he makes up for it with
ruthlessness and underhanded tactics (beating the immovable, unpunchable
Blob by grabbing his stomach and pulling it halfway across town,
breaking the Grey Gargoyle's arm backward so he couldn't touch himself
with it and would eventually return to human, etc.) Street-smart, but
not book-smart. His goals are base: food, drink, flashy clothes,
meaningless sex, and money to acquire these things. Worked as a
legbreaker in Vegas for a time.
Smart one = "Professor" version of the Hulk. "Calm and brave and
left-handed and ever so slightly in love with himself." A genius
intellect, with Banner's knowledge of science. As strong as the
"Hulk SMASH!" Hulk, but less prone to berserker rage.
> Is there any particular set of circumstances that favors the
> appearance of one personality over another?
The details of their power-sharing arrangement haven't been spelled
out -- basically, whichever Hulk the writer needs for the story at
hand, the writer gets -- but Jenkins has indicated that the various
Hulks are prompted to emerge by different stimuli. Remind him of
getting beaten by his father, you'll get the two-year-old. Remind
him of being rejected by women, you'll get Joe Fixit. That sort of
thing.
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Billy Bissette
> My question is related to one asked at the beginning of this thread.
> Returning to comics after a 10 year hiatus and never really knowing
> much about the Hulk in the first place, could someone give me rundown
> on the Hulk's various forms? There's the angry one, the smart one, and
> the nasty one, but what exactly does that mean? I'm now familiar with
> the always lovelable "Hulk Smash" Hulk from Defenders #1. :-)
Dumb Hulk -- aka classic Hulk... "Hulk Smash" :)
Grey Hulk -- aka Joe Fixit... smart, cunning, weaker than the other
versions. was involved with organized crime at one time? perhaps
a bit of a womenizer aspect... basically a seedy version of the Hulk.
Originally he manifested at night?
Smart Hulk -- aka Professor... Originally considered a merger of the
personalities of Banner, dumb Hulk, and grey Hulk. He had Banner's
intelligence, most of green hulk's strength along with the color and
even more size, and grey hulk's cunning. And a bit of an ego, as he
was generally sure of himself.
Maestro -- Hulk from a future timeline, what the Hulk would eventually
become. the ruler of a gamma iradiated world.
More recently there is:
Savage(?) Hulk -- basically animalistic and rage personified. looks
similar to the Hulk from Hulk 2099
hundreds or thousands of other hulks -- other hulks trapped away
> Is there any particular set of circumstances that favors the appearance
> of one personality over another?
Currently, there is an arrangement to give each of them some free
time. In particular, the one best to handle a situation is likely
to emerge as all the incarnations have a vested interest in the
survival of the body. The last I saw of the Hulk series, someone
figured out how to force the aspect of his choice to emerge as
the incarnation being picked is more an automated defense at this
point.
Matt Adler
"Andurion" <kr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> My question is related to one asked at the beginning of this thread.
> Returning to comics after a 10 year hiatus and never really knowing
> much about the Hulk in the first place, could someone give me rundown
> on the Hulk's various forms?
Haven't followed it since PAD's run, but the ones I remember are regular
Bruce Banner, Savage Hulk (green, stupid, gets stronger as he gets madder),
Joe Fixit (gray skin, weaker than green Hulk, worked as bouncer in Las
Vegas, has a bad attitude), and Integrated Hulk (brains of Banner, strength
and skin color of green Hulk, attitude of Joe Fixit).
thad a doria
>news:93tl6e$rqc$4...@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu...
>> In article <qpe46to96lvua80j3...@4ax.com>,
>> Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>> >I've been reading _Incredible Hulk_ again for a while, and it was my
>> >impression that, because of his advancing case of ALS, Bruce Banner no
>> >longer *ever* turns into Bruce Banner, but instead spends his time
>> >changing among several forms of the Hulk.
>> >
>> >Am I mistaken?
>>
>> Wait, some tastless, insensitive moron gave Bruce Banner Lou Gehrig's
>> disease and then gave him the *choice* to turn into a strong body, healthy
>> body? Joe Casey or PAD?
Jenkins. Don't mock till you've tried it.
>Actually, if I understandf the situation correctly, he doesn't have any
>choice. He has many different people in him, and they have come to a
>power-sharing agreement, so that each of them can have time "on the outside"
>without constantly waging internal warfare.
Yes. The four dominant personalities (Smash-Hulk, Smart-Hulk, Banner, and
Fixit) share the body, mainly to keep more dangerous personalities
(like the Serpent) from coming out. Like Kurt said, Banner comes to the
surface for medical help.
--
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Fukui: "OKAY, DOC!!!"
thad a doria
Adam Cadre <re...@adamcadre.ac> wrote:
>> My question is related to one asked at the beginning of this thread.
>> Returning to comics after a 10 year hiatus and never really knowing
>> much about the Hulk in the first place, could someone give me rundown
>> on the Hulk's various forms? There's the angry one, the smart one,
>> and the nasty one, but what exactly does that mean?
>
>Angry one = "Hulk SMASH!" version of the Hulk. A big green sulking
>two-year-old who insists he just wants to be left alone.
when in fact what he wants is the opposite (Hulk 2000 annual) of what he
says.
>Nasty one = "Joe Fixit" version of the Hulk. He's gray, and weaker
>than the other Hulk incarnations -- significantly weaker than the
>pineapple-era Thing, for instance. But he makes up for it with
>ruthlessness and underhanded tactics (beating the immovable, unpunchable
>Blob by grabbing his stomach and pulling it halfway across town,
>breaking the Grey Gargoyle's arm backward so he couldn't touch himself
>with it and would eventually return to human, etc.) Street-smart, but
>not book-smart. His goals are base: food, drink, flashy clothes,
>meaningless sex, and money to acquire these things. Worked as a
>legbreaker in Vegas for a time.
>
>Smart one = "Professor" version of the Hulk. "Calm and brave and
>left-handed and ever so slightly in love with himself." A genius
>intellect, with Banner's knowledge of science. As strong as the
>"Hulk SMASH!" Hulk, but less prone to berserker rage.
>
>> Is there any particular set of circumstances that favors the
>> appearance of one personality over another?
>
>The details of their power-sharing arrangement haven't been spelled
>out -- basically, whichever Hulk the writer needs for the story at
>hand, the writer gets -- but Jenkins has indicated that the various
>Hulks are prompted to emerge by different stimuli. Remind him of
>getting beaten by his father, you'll get the two-year-old. Remind
>him of being rejected by women, you'll get Joe Fixit. That sort of
>thing.
There are *dozens* of other Hulks locked away in Banner's mind,
including one that's completely evil. Banner and the three Hulks above
don't want them to get loose.
Matt Adler
equally evil.
thad a doria
Matt Adler <mad...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
>Is the Serpent Hulk Maestro? If not, what's the difference? They both sound
>equally evil.
>
Serpent-Hulk is a recently discovered personality. Maestro's evil, but
he's Fixit/Professor Gone Bad(tm). The Serpent is EVIL evil according to
the glimpses we've had. It's like comparing The Toad to The Red Skull.
Jay Lee
> left-handed and ever so slightly in love with himself." A genius
> intellect, with Banner's knowledge of science. As strong as the
> "Hulk SMASH!" Hulk, but less prone to berserker rage.
I actually love Smart Hulk and this version is what brought me back to
comics a decade ago. Pad's run on Fixit and then Smart Hulk. Isn't this
the perfect scenario? Still as smart, still as powerful, brains of Banner,
Strength of Hulk, he's primed to be a major force in the Marvel Universe.
But for some freakin reason, he gets isolated with the Agammenons (sp?) and
then it's a weird story all around. But the Smart Hulk brought me back to
comics and I love this version.
Too bad so many fans hated it.... why else was he reverted back and forth so
much?
Andurion
me :-)
Is the most evil version of the Hulk smart -- Maestro sounds smart but
what about the Serpent?
Kevin J. Maroney
>He rarely changes back to Bruce, but has in fact done so.
Has this been shown on-camera in any of the issues of the Hulk since
the "deal" was struck? I'm probably two issues behind.
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to leave."--Hyperion, _Squadron Supreme_ (by Mark Gruenwald)
Kevin J. Maroney
>disease and then gave him the *choice* to turn into a strong body, healthy
>body? Joe Casey or PAD?
Paul Jenkins.
My impression had been that no, he didn't have a choice; he had to
give up being Banner to save his life. He's swapping among the three
main Hulk personalities in an effort to prolong his bodily existence
in the hope that someday he'll be able to become Banner again.
Kurt directly contradicted this, which makes me wonder what Banner has
given up in the deal--I guess he just has to let the Hulks be active
more than they were before.
--
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Matt Adler
"thad a doria" <do...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote in message
news:lpE86.286$v3.4601@uchinews...
> In article <3a630...@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>,
> Matt Adler <mad...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> >Is the Serpent Hulk Maestro? If not, what's the difference? They both
sound
> >equally evil.
> >
>
> Serpent-Hulk is a recently discovered personality. Maestro's evil, but
> he's Fixit/Professor Gone Bad(tm). The Serpent is EVIL evil according to
> the glimpses we've had. It's like comparing The Toad to The Red Skull.
Um... do you know who Maestro is and what he has done? I think if you did,
you would not be comparing him to the Toad. Look at this page and then tell
me how this "Serpent" is more evil than Maestro:
http://www.sigma.net/burch/maestro/maestro.html
KurtBusiek
surface for medical help.>>
And to go to the movies! None of the other forms wanted to see MISS
CONGENIALITY...
kurt
KurtBusiek
"deal" was struck?>>
I think so -- I know I got his "dealing with illness" speech pattern from a
Jenkins issue when I wrote him in MAXIMUM SECURITY.
But ultimately, I ask the editor of the book, and he tells me that yes, it's
fair and meet to show Bruce out as Bruce, for those reasons. So we proceed on
that...
kurt
STRATEGY3
>From: kurtb...@aol.comics (KurtBusiek)
>And to go to the movies! None of the other forms wanted to see MISS
>CONGENIALITY...
>
>kurt
Big, dumb & green Hulk also likes movies.
"Bambi", anyone?
STRATEGY
Paul O'Brien
Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> writes
>
>Has this been shown on-camera in any of the issues of the Hulk since
>the "deal" was struck? I'm probably two issues behind.
Well, he was in human form when he was telling us about the deal, so
presumably so. The last two issues were a two-parter narrated by Joe
Fixit into a tape recorder which he apparently expected Banner to listen
to at some point, as well, which would imply that he reverts to human
at some points.
Paul O'Brien
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Kevin J. Maroney
>The last two issues were a two-parter narrated by Joe
>Fixit into a tape recorder which he apparently expected Banner to listen
>to at some point, as well, which would imply that he reverts to human
>at some points.
Excellent point. I bow to your (and Kurt's) more observant natures.
Michael D. Ward
Jay Lee wrote:
The Smart Hulk was the one in the comics when I stopped reading Marvel.
But it was the version that I liked best as well. I didn't know anything about
this new "time-sharing" Hulk until I read about him in this ng., and
it sounds positively bizarre. Especially since the Smart Hulk is now a
seperate one of the Hulks personalities. I thought that it was the merger of
the other three parts.
Michael
Leaping Larry Jojo
I liked it a lot too (though not as much as PAD's gray Hulk era) but I
personally thought PAD's run was slowing down near the end of the
Pantheon, and I stopped reading *regularly* soon after the Stupid
Banner/Professor Hulk version appeared. But I did poke in every now and
again JUST BECAUSE.
I didn't know anything about
> this new "time-sharing" Hulk until I read about him in this ng., and
> it sounds positively bizarre. Especially since the Smart Hulk is now
a
> seperate one of the Hulks personalities. I thought that it was the
merger of
> the other three parts.
Well, they split up again. PAD really made it messy near the end of his
run, doing every possible Hulk combination he could think of, which
leads me to wonder if he didn't mean to sabotage the book for Marvel
after he left.
Jojo
thad a doria
That was addressed. The Professor fooled everyone into thinking that
Banner was cured, but he wasn't the real Banner--merely the idealized hero
Banner always wanted to be (e.g., Jenkins pointed out the Professor
is fearless and left-handed, two things Banner never was). Doc Samson was
the only one who knew the "merge" was just a stopgap measure, but since
this was the most stable Hulk to date, he kept his mouth shut.
Cappy Morgan
"Leaping Larry Jojo" <macr...@excite.com> wrote in message
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What mess, JoJo? I believe PAD pretty much wrapped up the book in a nice
tidy package. It was Byrne who ruined the Hulk title. I belive PAD took a
concept and built on it...Byrne regressed the character.
CM