Thunderbolts 75
Christian Smith
Not since Rogue was killed battling the Master Mold has a single issue
made my jaw drop, my eyes well up and my fists clench wanting to hit a
writer for making me care so much..
I can't believe the end of it..
To save the world they are going to have to RULE it??????????????????
WHAT!!!!?
Speechless (in a good way Fabes!)
It's going to take another couple of reads and about 24 hours to
really assimilate what's happened to my favourite super-team
I want to see more now! But I know it ain't happening...
I wnat my t-bolts....<sob>
Christian
Justice....Like Lightning..
Jeremy Henderson
<chri...@NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>OH MY GOD!!!
>
>Not since Rogue was killed battling the Master Mold has a single issue
>made my jaw drop, my eyes well up and my fists clench wanting to hit a
>writer for making me care so much..
>
>I can't believe the end of it..
>
>To save the world they are going to have to RULE it??????????????????
Wasn't that the tag line of Gruenwald's original Squadron Supreme
mini?
Eric
Wasn't that the tag line of Gruenwald's original Squadron Supreme
mini?>>
And the plot of the Order.
And the feel of Millar's Authority.
ERIC
Sean Curtin
It took twenty years, but Marvelman has finally become cliché.
--
Sean Curtin
Carl Henderson
news:20030117005115...@mb-cl.aol.com:
> grimb...@aol.comcheese (Eric) wrote:
I don't know. I think if THUNDERBOLTS had continued, Fabian could have done
something interesting and different with the basic concept. There's a lot
of unexplored story territory there. And even if he had crashed and burned,
we would have at least had an ambitious failure--something I'd much rather
have seen than "Fight Club for Supervillians."
--
Carl Henderson carl.he...@airmail.net
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Bob Hughes
Henderson) wrote:
>neos...@aol.comnospam (Sean Curtin) wrote in
>news:20030117005115...@mb-cl.aol.com:
>
>> grimb...@aol.comcheese (Eric) wrote:
>
>>>>>To save the world they are going to
>>>>>have to RULE it??????????????????
>
>>>>Wasn't that the tag line of Gruenwald's
>>>>original Squadron Supreme mini?
>
>>>And the plot of the Order.
>>>And the feel of Millar's Authority.
>
>> It took twenty years, but Marvelman has finally become cliché.
>
>I don't know. I think if THUNDERBOLTS had continued, Fabian could have done
>something interesting and different with the basic concept. There's a lot
>of unexplored story territory there. And even if he had crashed and burned,
>we would have at least had an ambitious failure--something I'd much rather
>have seen than "Fight Club for Supervillians."
Personally, I thought the book died when Busiek left and Fabian has
just been writing it on auto pilot.
They should have just gotten Busiek to write a conclusion and then put
the title out of its misery.
Gosheven
Oh wow!!! They're making a sequel to The Order?!!! Kewl!! You know, this remake
of the Squadron Supreme mini could be the next best thing since sliced bread!!
-Gosheven
Cappy Morgan
"Bob Hughes" <BOBH...@TTLC.NET> wrote in message
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Wow, I felt the complete opposite. I enjoyed Fabian's take and it felt as
if Busiek had never really left. I really enjoyed the formation of new team
members and the monthly (on time) old fashioned comic book action. It was a
fun read and it will definitely be missed by this reader.
FAR SUPERIOR to many of the multiple titles <cough> X floating around in the
Marvel <cough> House of Ideas. Hmmm...guess I should do somthing about that
cough.
CM
Bob Samuel
shop. I was on vacation the first two weeks of January and am trying to
catch up on my reading.
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Cappy Morgan
"Gosheven" <gosh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Well, the concept was a bit different than the Order and Fabian actually
dealt with the Franklinverse that other writers had ignored. I think it
was fun and I don't object to concepts being reused in innovative ways...if
I did...I wouldn't be reading comics...especially Marvel...whose current
success is rehashing old stories for a modern audience (see all the Ultimate
titles.)
Bob Hughes
wrote:
I woudn't know. I haven't read an X-book since Prof Xavier left the
New Mutants in Magneto's care while he went off to boff some alien
babe. What year was that? 1983?
Shawn Hill
:> It took twenty years, but Marvelman has finally become cliché.
: I don't know. I think if THUNDERBOLTS had continued, Fabian could have done
: something interesting and different with the basic concept. There's a lot
: of unexplored story territory there. And even if he had crashed and burned,
It's the thunderbolts. They wouldn't have done it by force (like Authority), or
by assumed superiority (the Order), but by deception. The trick would have been
seeing if they got found out before they succeeded.
Shawn
Cappy Morgan
Yeah, I think they have both died twice since then.
Cappy Morgan
"Shawn Hill" <sh...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote in message
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> Carl Henderson <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote:
>
> :> It took twenty years, but Marvelman has finally become clich?
>
> : I don't know. I think if THUNDERBOLTS had continued, Fabian could have
done
> : something interesting and different with the basic concept. There's a
lot
> : of unexplored story territory there. And even if he had crashed and
burned,
>
> It's the thunderbolts. They wouldn't have done it by force (like
Authority), or
> by assumed superiority (the Order), but by deception. The trick would have
been
> seeing if they got found out before they succeeded.
Good point. Which is what Fab was actually saying. How else would a title
of self proclaim leaders end their title. Nice goodbye.
FabNic
>It's the thunderbolts. They wouldn't have done it by force (like Authority),
>or
>by assumed superiority (the Order), but by deception. The trick would have
>been
>seeing if they got found out before they succeeded.
>
Exactly what I had planeed. I hate talking about "what might have been" on
books I used to write, but I will say that the planned opening for #76 followed
seconds after the end of #75 with all the characters staring at Zemo for a
beat, shrugging their shoulders, then walking out of the room to do other
things, with Zemo left going, "What? What did I say?"
And the stories about "taking over the world" would have sprung from the
standpoint that they KNEW they never would -- but thought they knew how to
"save us from ourselves."
As much as I enjoyed Squadron Supreme and Authority, it wouldn't have been like
either.
--fabian
Cappy Morgan
"FabNic" <fab...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dang it...now what am I going to do without my Thunderbolt fix? While I'm
at it...I miss Turok too.
Ravenheart
pretty good issue.I'm just confused about everyone saying its going to
turn into FightClub.Like someone else said earlier,it sounds like its
going to be similar to The Order.
"Bob Samuel" <bobs...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<%yVV9.10554$fK.11...@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Christian Smith
wrote
>My comic shop just got issue 75 this week and I thought it was a
>pretty good issue.I'm just confused about everyone saying its going to
>turn into FightClub.Like someone else said earlier,it sounds like its
>going to be similar to The Order.
>
Well, it would be if the current creative team and characters hadn't
been unceremoniously dumped in favour of a new direction and totally
new cast
Christian
R. Tang
Hmmm...and it would have been interesting if they were right....
--
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Alan Travis
> OH MY GOD!!!
>
> Not since Rogue was killed battling the Master Mold has a single issue
> made my jaw drop, my eyes well up and my fists clench wanting to hit a
> writer for making me care so much..
>
> I can't believe the end of it..
>
> To save the world they are going to have to RULE it??????????????????
> WHAT!!!!?
Actually, I thought that was pretty lame. I might have bought it for
Moonstone, Zemo, Plantman, and such, but not Songbird. I just don't see
her going along with it. For one thing, save it from what? Seemed like a
joke ending tagged on to finish off the series.
Everything else was great except for that last page. Oh well...
Alan
Alan Travis
> >It's the thunderbolts. They wouldn't have done it by force (like Authority),
> >or
> >by assumed superiority (the Order), but by deception. The trick would have
> >been
> >seeing if they got found out before they succeeded.
> >
>
> Exactly what I had planeed. I hate talking about "what might have been" on
> books I used to write, but I will say that the planned opening for #76 followed
> seconds after the end of #75 with all the characters staring at Zemo for a
> beat, shrugging their shoulders, then walking out of the room to do other
> things, with Zemo left going, "What? What did I say?"
Knew it was a joke. Glad that it was Zemo's and not yours.
> And the stories about "taking over the world" would have sprung from the
> standpoint that they KNEW they never would -- but thought they knew how to
> "save us from ourselves."
>
> As much as I enjoyed Squadron Supreme and Authority, it wouldn't have been like
> either.
I wish you were doing it. Doesn't seem to be much space for the Marvel Universe at
Marvel these days, though.
Alan
Tony
>And the stories about "taking over the world" would have sprung from the
>standpoint that they KNEW they never would -- but thought they knew how to
>"save us from ourselves."
>
--this aspect of the final issue left me slightly bewildered. I could
understand why the Tbolts felt they needed to conquer Counter Earth to save it.
The whole planet was in peril. However, the Earth wasn't. So what exactly
were they thinking to save the world from?
Cappy Morgan
"Tony" <tj7...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ourselves. It sounds similair in premise to when the Hulk joined the
Pantheon. I think an example of what they were thinking about is when the
Fixer stolled into Iraq and whiped out their chemical weapons plant. The
whole premise of the Thunderbolts was that they were a team of imposters who
wanted to rule the world. It is only fitting (and would have been an
interesting concept) if they decided that in order to be good guys they
would still have to rule the planet. Fitting end.
Scott McAllister
"Ravenheart" <doug....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> My comic shop just got issue 75 this week and I thought it was a
> pretty good issue.I'm just confused about everyone saying its going to
> turn into FightClub.Like someone else said earlier,it sounds like its
> going to be similar to The Order.
Nope. Fight Club. Go read the DotComic atr www.marvel.com
Scott
John C. Baker
"Cappy Morgan" <losti...@cox.net> wrote:
> I think an example of what they were thinking about is when the
> Fixer stolled into Iraq and whiped out their chemical weapons plant.
I loved that Saddam was hiding Pym particles. Gives you an idea what
what UN inspectors would be looking for in the MU.
Tony
>It sounds similair in premise to when the Hulk joined the
>Pantheon.
--The Pantheon was exactly the group I was seeing parallels with the Tbolts.
>I think an example of what they were thinking about is when the
>Fixer stolled into Iraq and whiped out their chemical weapons plant.
--I thought that might be the case.I wish they'd have explored this a little
bit more.
Cappy Morgan
"John C. Baker" <jc...@axe.humboldt.edu> wrote in message
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Hmmmm..why doesn't he just use the Pym particles to shrink all the chemicals
down and hide them in his pocket : )
Shawn Hill
:>Good point. Which is what Fab was actually saying. How else would a title
:>of self proclaim leaders end their title. Nice goodbye.
: Hmmm...and it would have been interesting if they were right....
Exactly. FabNic was careful to lay the groundwork for even Zemo being a
"good guy" at this point. I didn't see villains plotting world domination
at the end; I saw heroes using their skills in a common goal.
What are they saving the world from? What threat have they discovered?
That's the dangler.
Shawn
~consul
> "Cappy Morgan" <losti...@cox.net> wrote:
>> I think an example of what they were thinking about is when the
>>Fixer stolled into Iraq and whiped out their chemical weapons plant.
> I loved that Saddam was hiding Pym particles. Gives you an idea what
> what UN inspectors would be looking for in the MU.
I thought it was eerie that Fixer destroyed chemical weapons, and IRL, we found a whole
bunch of empty chemical storage tanks and empty warheads. Especially since this was
written 2-3 months ago.
--
"... all good deeds are not done only by the good folk ..."
till next time,
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M-Wolverine
It seemed a chance to play up on what has been Dr. Doom's key
motivation. He should rule the world, because he's best suited to it,
and the world would be a better place if he was doing so. At least,
that's what he lets himself believe...
Chris C.