Doctor Strange
Stephen Fawcus
they got someone like Grant Morrison to write it, it would be fantastic,
just think what he could do with The Fantastic Four as well.
Sean Curtin
Stephen Fawcus wrote:
There are several upcoming MK projects with creative teams but no info
on the series; Dr. Strange could be among them.
Sean Curtin
Space Slippy
In article <381074CD...@basketballmail.com>, 'Jay'
<2pacs...@basketballmail.com> wrote:
>2) Give the Doctor a more haunting appearance, as befits a Warlock Supreme. He
>should go back to a dark cloak and a hood. Furthermore, his amulet should be
>more powerful, since it draws power directly from Agamotto. The Doc would more a
>less be an "Exemplar" of Agamotto.
Hood? Darker "Haunting" look?
Yuk.
I've had enough of the "dark" looks Dr. Strange has had over the years, and
enough of the stupid masks and silly "faux-superhero" looks we've seen him
in. Let's get the man back to where he's always been best, the Ditko years.
Sure, I know there is no way in hell to get Ditko back on the book, but I'd
like to see an artist who truely loves the art of Steve Ditko and could
truely pull off the weird landscapes of the dark dimension and the cool
spells and little sheild-thingies Strange used to make. Dr. Strange isn't
some goth wiccan and he shouldn't look like one, he is a good looking older
guy who exhudes class, style, and charisma. No more stupid trench coats that
are supposed to be the cloak of levitation, no more stupid superhero
costumes. And absolutely, positively no wiccan and no goth.
My suggestions on art? I've said this before and I'll say it again, but
Brendan McCarthy is the man for the job, no one loves Ditko and does better
"trip comics" than that man (Except maybe Ditko himself). Check out Rogan
Gosh (Written by Peter Milligan, published by DC) or the early covers on
Shade the Changing Man (Second Series) or Paradax from Vortex Comics to know
what I'm talking about. Steve Rude "The Dude" and I discussed old Ditko Dr.
Stranges at the Chicago Comic Con a few years ago and he too, would be a
great choice.
But a "grim" or "spooky" Dr. Strange sounds about as bad an idea as hiring
Rob Leifeld back at Marvel again, but you know, knowing Marvel it just might
happen.
I like your web page by the way.
-Slippy
Jay
Aside from the funky art since issue #10 or #15, and the outlandish writing up
until #60 and then again after #77, I lost respect for the company.
Some changes are in order:
1) Give Clea a limited series closing out her battle against Dormmamu in the Dark
Dimension. We never saw neither the story's closing nor how the other aspect of
"Strange" is working out.
2) Give the Doctor a more haunting appearance, as befits a Warlock Supreme. He
should go back to a dark cloak and a hood. Furthermore, his amulet should be
more powerful, since it draws power directly from Agamotto. The Doc would more a
less be an "Exemplar" of Agamotto.
3) I should write the story. :-)
Sean Curtin wrote:
Do you like Doctor Strange and the Mystical World? Come checkout his site at:
Jay
Space Slippy wrote:
> ----------
> In article <381074CD...@basketballmail.com>, 'Jay'
> <2pacs...@basketballmail.com> wrote:
> >2) Give the Doctor a more haunting appearance, as befits a Warlock Supreme. He
> >should go back to a dark cloak and a hood. Furthermore, his amulet should be
> >more powerful, since it draws power directly from Agamotto. The Doc would more a
> >less be an "Exemplar" of Agamotto.
>
> Hood? Darker "Haunting" look?
>
> Yuk.
>
> I've had enough of the "dark" looks Dr. Strange has had over the years,
Like what?
> and
> enough of the stupid masks and silly "faux-superhero" looks we've seen him
> in.
He's onlyl had one mask, and there was a special purpose. Thanks to Eternity.
> Let's get the man back to where he's always been best, the Ditko years.
Let the past stay the past, I always say.
>
> Sure, I know there is no way in hell to get Ditko back on the book, but I'd
> like to see an artist who truely loves the art of Steve Ditko and could
> truely pull off the weird landscapes of the dark dimension and the cool
> spells and little sheild-thingies Strange used to make.
Yeah. That was cool. But todays kids and audiences wouldn't appreciate this.
> Dr. Strange isn't
> some goth wiccan and he shouldn't look like one, he is a good looking older
> guy who exhudes class, style, and charisma.
Yeah and that is why he can't keep a series. Where is he now huh?
> No more stupid trench coats that
> are supposed to be the cloak of levitation, no more stupid superhero
> costumes. And absolutely, positively no wiccan and no goth.
I disagree. A sorcerer is a sorcerer, not some romanticists who is obssessed with
goodness.
>
> My suggestions on art? I've said this before and I'll say it again, but
> Brendan McCarthy is the man for the job, no one loves Ditko and does better
> "trip comics" than that man (Except maybe Ditko himself).
I don't know the artists, but Gene Colan really had the essence of Sorcery
>
>
> But a "grim" or "spooky" Dr. Strange sounds about as bad an idea as hiring
> Rob Leifeld back at Marvel again, but you know, knowing Marvel it just might
> happen.
Well intelligent peoples tend to agree to disagree in any point. What about the
Exemplar idea concerning the Amulet of Agamotto?
>
>
> I like your web page by the way.
My thanks. I am currently searching for a better message board.
>
>
> -Slippy
--
"Women become lesbians because they are lazy. They always want to do
something they are good at. They have trouble pleasing a man, so it is
easier to please a woman. " (source: Amber Lynn, porno superstar).
Michael J. D'Auben
<Stephen...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
>I have to say I hope Marvel Knights do a new Doc Strange series. Imagine if
>they got someone like Grant Morrison to write it, it would be fantastic,
>just think what he could do with The Fantastic Four as well.
Hmmmm... Don't know if Morrison is right for Doctor Strange or not,
but I'd love to seen MK give him another try. I think the DS mini
was better than that initial Punisher thing, and their on their third
try with him now!
Space Slippy
Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) I still think that not
even the mighty Gene could touch the sheer surreality and the brilliant
magical mystery worlds that Ditko created. The issues of Strange Tales that
spring to mind quickest here are #138 (the first appearence of Eternity) and
#139-141 (the absolutely brilliant battle with Dormammu "Pincers of Power"
issues, reprinted in the 1975 version of Marvel's Greatest Superhero Battles
and in the 1994 Doctor Strange Classics). Anyone who has ever read these
books know exactly what surreality and magical wonder I'm talking about.
Move over Gene, let Ditko show you how it's done!
Now understand, I'm not asking for this comic to "go back in time" I'm
interested in seeing new exciting things done with the good doctor, which is
precicely why I'm suggesting new creators. I adore the Roger Ster/Paul Smith
run from around 1985 and I love the glorious Lee/Thomas/Colan/Palmer issues
of the late 60's and early 70's, but what I'm interested in seeing, just
like yourself, is something new.
But your new is in direct opposition to my new.
And to be honest, I would rather see no Dr. Strange comic on the shelf than
see a ruined one.
Dr. Strange had a mask in the late 60's, true, when Marvel was hoping to
sell more issues by making him more of a traditional superhero. And yes, it
was the same mask you were thinking of. But you might not be aware of this,
but Dr. Strange did have another mask. Given to him in 1993 by Faust scribe
David Quinn and artist Melvin Ruby. Oh sure it was the goo-baby "Strange"
who had the mask, but it re-masked the character just the same as the 60's
issues did. And for the same reason. To sell Doctor Strange to comic readers
who are only interested in your basic, run-of-the-mill superhero fare. Check
out Doctor Strange, Socerer Supreme #60-74 for the gory (and gooey) details.
Quinn, whom I spoke with at the Chicago Comic Con that year laughed about it
and told me it was a superhero costume and Hulk and X-Factor crossovers that
Marvel thought they wanted, and that's exactly what they got. But if you
think they were Doctor Strange, wellll ... too bad. Pathetic "Dark Hero"
make-over part one.
#75 featured one of the saddest and ugliest things one can imagine. David
Quinn followed hot on the heels of one of the worst Marvel re-makes ever
with something *worse*. You may have read these, and you may have actually
enjoyed them, but I don't see how you could have. The long-haired, John
Lennon glasses wearing *young man* that Doctor Strange was transformed into
will forever be the Clone Saga of Doctor Strange comics. Ditko must have
been gagging on that one. In the hopes of increasing circulation through
desperate and un-needed "vertigo-ization" of Doctor Strange, the comic's
hero had been thoroughly and quite profoundly raped. According to a text
page in Night Music (Rebel Studios, also written by David Quinn) David Quinn
apparently did not have this ending in mind after the whole "Last Rites"
storyline, but higher-ups asked for it, and they got it.
And we all "got it."
The "real" Doctor Strange returns in #80 of the same series, except this
time his cloak of levitation is a rain coat and the "golden doiley" costume
is certainly better than what we've seen recently, but generally quite
unplesant to the eye. I like Doctor Strange and I like Doctor Who, but I
don't like them dressing up like each other.
The problem I have with these changes isn't that I don't want anything to
change in the comics I read, but that they all dilute from the character of
Doctor Strange. And a gothic wiccan Strange who looks all spooky is, in my
mind, a huge dilution.
Doctor Strange is the sexiest man in the Marvel Universe, no doubt about it.
He is mysterious and classy and noble and wise, and he should remain so.
Give him black eye-liner and long greasy hair and you are just missing the
point. That's not who Doctor Strange is. Maybe Marvel is afraid that their
characters might end up being over the age of 30, so they bend over
backwards to make the characters just out of highschool again, but Doctor
Strange is an old man. He was older than Peter Parker is in the current
Spideys now before he had his car accident. Why would he go "goth?" I'm not
Strange's age and I'm certainly not going to dress up like a mime or some
"scarey person" just so kids will think I'm cool. Why should he? Give the
man a little dignity for the Ancient One's sake!
As far as your thought that today's readers wouldn't appreciate the
Ditko-esque "trip-worlds" and little sheild-thingies, I disagree. They were
unique, exciting and yes, "magical" when I first saaw them and they still
are today. Greatness never goes out of style. In order to get Dr Strange to
be picked up by new readers it has to be done well. You think Frank Miller's
Sin City comic wasn't about the most out-of-style comic when it first came
out? Hard boiled detective and mystery comics were "dead," but look at them
now. They're everywhere. Why did Sin City do so well? Both because it was
Frank Miller and because it was good. Look at Brian Micheal Bendis' Jinx and
Torso comics, they're damn good, and Bendis sees some damn good sales
because of it. Don't pander to what the readers might be buying today
because it's "hot", give us kick ass comics. If Doctor Strange was the best
comic on the market it would sell, simple formula I know, but look how well
it's worked for the recent run on Daredevil, despite extreme lateness. The
character didn't have to go through some radical transformation to sell
books, it just had to be good. Good comics sell, maybe not as well as bad
comics do sometimes, but I'd take a good Doctor Strange over "Hot" Doctor
Strange anytime.
As far as the artists I suggested, Brendan McCarthy is currently working on
visual design for the next Road Warrior movie, so he's not going to be doing
any Doctor Strange for a long time, but regardless, I'm sure there are
others who could do the kind of work required to make Doctor Strange great
again without ruining the charcter, did the Inhumans book need a lot of
character re-design, did the Avengers? And if you think the Inhumans were a
"hot property" before the recent series your dead wrong, people are buying
that title because it's damn good and that's it. People like Marvel's
characters and we want to see them written and drawn well, not re-vamped.
Build it and they will come.
-Slippy
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In article <3810C6B4...@basketballmail.com>, 'Jay'
Space Slippy
Colan and Palmer doing what they do best.
I like everything Brunner did with the book, and at times he was more
Ditko-esque than Colan's action-lines and cinematic art could ever be, don't
get me wrong here. I'd gladly have Frank back on the book! Plus his Clea was
particularly yummy.
-Slippy
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In article <19991023125613...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
kroth...@aol.com (KRothst402) wrote:
>
>>>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
>
>Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
>while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
>better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
>
>
>Gotta disagree here. The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner. Check out
>Doc in MARVEL FEATURE.
Space Slippy
<b.m...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Now understand, I'm not asking for this comic to "go back
>> in time" I'm interested in seeing new exciting things done
>> with the good doctor, which is precicely why I'm suggesting
>> new creators.
>
>Marvel's interested in sales, their last few attempts at
>Doc Strange have all resulted in particularly atrocious _stories_.
>Every time they try to turn Doc into the "what's-kewl-this-month"
>hero, they blow the original concept, and the story quickly
>follows suit.
THANK YOU! I was worried here that I was going go blue in the face defending
the it-ain't-Dr. Strange-that's-broke-it's-bad-comics-that-are issue. I'm
glad to see that not everyone wants to see Marvel do a wiccan/goth Strange
in order to sell some comics. That's a releif!
>
>> I adore the Roger Ster/Paul Smith run from around 1985
>
>Yup. Roger Stern's run gets far too little praise; that was some
>of the best and brightest Dr. Strange, ranging from his WW II
>battle with Dormammu, to the stunning Michael Golden D'Spayre
>issue to the quieter moments (like Doc on a golf course ("Charlatan")
>and Doc with the reincarnated Lama) to the spectacular Dracula
>war.
Ummmm, forgot about D'Spayre issue, how I'll never know, but it just didn't
cross my mind. Incredible stuff! What's Golden up to these days? His frog
cartoon thing is the last I heard of this man.
Another fan of "Charlatan!" One of my all-time favorite issues. Yes I would
have liked Clea around more during that run, especially under the oh so
mouthwatering pencils of Paul Smith. I haven't read a whole lot of P.
Smith's comics, but what I saw wasn't up to the level of those Doctor
Stranges. Did he peak then, or does he have other brilliant work out there?
>> And to be honest, I would rather see no Dr. Strange comic
>> on the shelf than see a ruined one.
>
>Yeah. This is why I don't bother asking for more Doc Strange
>just now, because I can't quite figure out who I'd like writing
>it, whom I'd trust with the title (well, yes, Roger Stern, but I
>dunno if he wants to return to it), and because Marvel's last
>few attempts have bombed pretty badly.
>
>Somewhere, beyond the darkest depths of the Dark Dimension,
>in a land where Dormammu fears to tread, and upon which great
>Agamotto refuses to cast his eye, lies a small pocket dimension,
>populated by Teen Tony, a young Dr. Strange, a looney-tunes
>berserker Strange and a cast of thousands of Spider-clones.
>Some day, say the prophecies, the dimension will open up and
>its inhabitants go free ... and Nightmare gain complete control
>of the waking world.
Gak! You shouldn't say that too loudly around here, there are Marvel editors
listening!
Have you read my "Marvel's Greatest Superhero Blunders" post elsewhere on
this newsgroup under my Clark Kent identity of 'James?'
>
>Warren Ellis' protagonists do tend to all wind up with the same
>attitude :-) Still, I liked his Strange, in that it was the first one
>in ages who went back to the "Doc-as-wise-man" idea, as
>opposed to the "more-powerful-than-thou superhero" of the
>recent past.
Ellis is a good writer, but he definitely has a problem with re-treading
ground as characters go. I agree that his Strange was an absolutely
refreshing breath of air, and it was nice to see Doc mostly back on track
with the book concentrating on Magic and not superheroic action or that
(gag!) T & A era of Doctor Strange, Socerer Supreme by Jackson Guice from
the early 80's. It was amazing to me that the Doctor himself wasn't even
noticing that the world around him had changed and that instead of going to
the dark dimension, he was stuck in the pin-up dimension! If Marvel was
trying to bump up the surreality in Doctor Strange they sure did it then!
The Roy and Dann writing might have been good, but to be honest I just can't
get past the art to enjoy them, and what issues I have of that era, I read
kind of begrudgingly. How does he get his eye back?
>
>> Maybe Marvel is afraid that their characters might end up
>> being over the age of 30, so they bend over backwards
>> to make the characters just out of highschool again,
>
>And every time they do this, they blow the original character
>out of the water. When I was ten years old, I thought Batman
>was cool; I didn't need to have him my age to be cool !
>The latest example of this trend seems to be on the lettercol
>of IRON MAN #23, where the column-writer says that Tony
>Stark is in his mid-to-late-twenties ! Which doesn't mesh at
>all with any of his history to date ... <sigh> ...
Did they really? I just moved cross-country and haven't been able to quite
catch up on all my comics yet so I haven't seen that yet. Does that mean
Tony grew up reading Marvel comics just like I did? And worse, does this
mean Iron Man's original armor was power by Intel Inside instead of those
transistors I always though it was, in the way that Byrne-Hulk Gamma Lazer
"makes more sense" than a bomb?
I've always liked Doctor Strange, and he's always been an old man, and the
same is true for Tony Stark and Reed Richards, why is Marvel so *ageist*?
And can I take them to court for it?
>> I'd take a good Doctor Strange over "Hot" Doctor Strange anytime.
>
>Marvel might prefer the latter, I suppose, but I'm extremely glad
>they've had the restraint to keep from doing another bad Dr. Strange.
>There are some of my favourite characters who have been so
>thoroughly mangled that I'm reluctant to ask for their return, lest
>they be mangled yet again; and Doc, unfortunately, falls squarely
>into that category.
Praise Oshtur, you keep preachin' that gospel!
-Slippy
Remember, we've seen it happen time and time again, good comics sell. Be
they funny-animal books (Bone) or never-before seen Superheroes (Astro City)
or un-tried genres (300) and re-shaping yesterdays comics so that they blend
in on a comic shop shelf with all of the other comics that are bought for an
issue or two and then forgotten is not going to do anything but ruin the
good memories of what readers used to love.
>
>--
>Bala Menon (b.m...@worldnet.att.net)
>
>"Houba ! Houba Houba Hop !"
Bala Menon
<7urlai$eml$1...@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
With no end in sight ... :-) Be warned that this whole post
pretty much tends to be in agreement with Slippy's argument.
> Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan,
> as am I, and while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time
> favorite artist (no one was better at drawing Doctor Strange
> himself, or Clea)
I wouldn't go that far about Gene (though I love his work on
Tomb of Dracula) ...
> I still think that not even the mighty Gene could touch the
> sheer surreality and the brilliant magical mystery worlds
> that Ditko created. The issues of Strange Tales that spring
> to mind quickest here are #138 (the first appearence of
> Eternity) and #139-141 (the absolutely brilliant battle with
> Dormammu "Pincers of Power" issues).
Actually, just about all his Dark Dimension and Nightmareland
material evokes that feel. But you're right; I like the Ditko feel
to Doc.
> Now understand, I'm not asking for this comic to "go back
> in time" I'm interested in seeing new exciting things done
> with the good doctor, which is precicely why I'm suggesting
> new creators.
Preferably not "style-of-the-month" creators. While I realize
Marvel's interested in sales, their last few attempts at
Doc Strange have all resulted in particularly atrocious _stories_.
Every time they try to turn Doc into the "what's-kewl-this-month"
hero, they blow the original concept, and the story quickly
follows suit.
> I adore the Roger Ster/Paul Smith run from around 1985
Yup. Roger Stern's run gets far too little praise; that was some
of the best and brightest Dr. Strange, ranging from his WW II
battle with Dormammu, to the stunning Michael Golden D'Spayre
issue to the quieter moments (like Doc on a golf course ("Charlatan")
and Doc with the reincarnated Lama) to the spectacular Dracula
war.
In point of fact, the only point of contention I had with that entire
run is that I prefer Clea to Morgana Blessing (sorry, Roger). The
rest is just plain beautiful work.
> and I love the glorious Lee/Thomas/Colan/Palmer issues
> of the late 60's and early 70's,
Englehart sits a trifle higher with me, but I get what you're
aiming at.
> but what I'm interested in seeing, just
> like yourself, is something new.
>
> But your new is in direct opposition to my new.
>
> And to be honest, I would rather see no Dr. Strange comic
> on the shelf than see a ruined one.
Yeah. This is why I don't bother asking for more Doc Strange
just now, because I can't quite figure out who I'd like writing
it, whom I'd trust with the title (well, yes, Roger Stern, but I
dunno if he wants to return to it), and because Marvel's last
few attempts have bombed pretty badly.
The last few issues of the title wound up being written by
J.M. "Sweetness and light" deMatteis, but pretty much all
of deMatteis' titles fuse into the same happiness/forgiveness/
finding oneself/"Gee, we love Dostoevsky" blather, which is
fine the first time you read it, but not the next seventeen.
That's just about when I gave up completely on the title.
> #75 featured one of the saddest and ugliest things one
> can imagine. David Quinn followed hot on the heels of
> one of the worst Marvel re-makes ever with something
> *worse*.
Somewhere, beyond the darkest depths of the Dark Dimension,
in a land where Dormammu fears to tread, and upon which great
Agamotto refuses to cast his eye, lies a small pocket dimension,
populated by Teen Tony, a young Dr. Strange, a looney-tunes
berserker Strange and a cast of thousands of Spider-clones.
Some day, say the prophecies, the dimension will open up and
its inhabitants go free ... and Nightmare gain complete control
of the waking world.
> The "real" Doctor Strange returns in #80 of the same series,
> except this time his cloak of levitation is a rain coat and the
> "golden doiley" costume is certainly better than what we've
> seen recently, but generally quite unplesant to the eye.
> I like Doctor Strange and I like Doctor Who, but I don't
> like them dressing up like each other.
Warren Ellis' protagonists do tend to all wind up with the same
attitude :-) Still, I liked his Strange, in that it was the first one
in ages who went back to the "Doc-as-wise-man" idea, as
opposed to the "more-powerful-than-thou superhero" of the
recent past.
> Doctor Strange is the sexiest man in the Marvel Universe,
> no doubt about it.
Yeah. Just ask Dane Whitman :-)
> He is mysterious and classy and noble and wise, and he
> should remain so.
Yup.
> Maybe Marvel is afraid that their characters might end up
> being over the age of 30, so they bend over backwards
> to make the characters just out of highschool again,
And every time they do this, they blow the original character
out of the water. When I was ten years old, I thought Batman
was cool; I didn't need to have him my age to be cool !
The latest example of this trend seems to be on the lettercol
of IRON MAN #23, where the column-writer says that Tony
Stark is in his mid-to-late-twenties ! Which doesn't mesh at
all with any of his history to date ... <sigh> ...
> but Doctor Strange is an old man.
Yup. And his predecessor lived to be 900, so there's no need
to either retire Doc or youthen him. Come to think of it, way
back during the Englehart run (Dr. Strange #4), it was
established that "From this moment forward, you [Dr. Strange]
will not age. Death may only come from without, in battle, but
not from within". So while there's no need to fear Doc going bald
or growing long white hair, there's no particular purpose in removing
his touch of white, either.
> I'd take a good Doctor Strange over "Hot" Doctor Strange anytime.
Marvel might prefer the latter, I suppose, but I'm extremely glad
they've had the restraint to keep from doing another bad Dr. Strange.
There are some of my favourite characters who have been so
thoroughly mangled that I'm reluctant to ask for their return, lest
they be mangled yet again; and Doc, unfortunately, falls squarely
into that category.
--
KRothst402
>>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
Jay
see what happens to the character, if Marvel decides to bring him back.
KurtBusiek
>>The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner. Check out Doc in MARVEL
FEATURE.>>
MARVEL PREMIERE. Doc wasn't in MARVEL FEATURE, except as a member of the
Defenders, and in one backup story that I think Don Heck drew.
But Brunner inked PREMIERE #4 over Barry Smith and drew #6 and #9-14, plus
DOCTOR STRANGE #1-5. [MP #11 and DS #3, though, are mostly reprint, and
Brunner just did the framing sequences.] And yeah, Brunner did a dandy Doc --
I'd put it up there with Colan's, though not as high as Ditko's.
I believe the next issue of COMIC BOOK ARTIST has a cover by and interview with
Brunner.
kurt
Jay
Bala Menon wrote:
>
>
>
> > but Doctor Strange is an old man.
>
> Yup. And his predecessor lived to be 900,
Clarification here. Two things: 1) Doc was granted limited immortality
when he became Sorcerer Supreme, thus he ages very slowly. 2) The
Ancient lived to be 500 years old, not 900.
> --
> Bala Menon (b.m...@worldnet.att.net)
>
> "Houba ! Houba Houba Hop !"
--
Bala Menon
<3811F08A...@basketballmail.com>...
> Bala Menon wrote:
>
> > > but Doctor Strange is an old man.
> >
> > Yup. And his predecessor lived to be 900,
>
> limited immortality when he became Sorcerer
> Supreme, thus he ages very slowly.
This quote's from Doctor Strange #4, where he overcame
Death, and the Ancient One told him that henceforth he
would not age. I'll not dispute your statement about his
aging slowly when he became Sorcerer Supreme (though
I can't recall the source for that), but his overcoming of
Death was the first of a series of trials that he has to
undergo as a Sorcerer Supreme, so his stopping aging
takes place after the limited immortality.
> 2) The Ancient lived to be 500 years old, not 900.
The 900 years figure is from memory; I'll have to see where
I got that from; but the same issue, Dr. Strange #4, establishes
that the Ancient One lived 600 years once he passed the
trial of Death himself. So that's a minimum of 600 years
after the trial, at least.
KRothst402
Me>>The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner. Check out Doc in MARVEL
FEATURE.>>
Kurt>>>MARVEL PREMIERE. Doc wasn't in MARVEL FEATURE, except as a member of
the
Defenders,<<<
I knew that! I own that! I own all of em! I want a recount! (imagine if
this was a gameshow? This would be a jackie Gleason moment!)
Jay
Space Slippy wrote:
> Ask my lady friend and she'll tell you too, Dr Strange is sexiest when it's
> Colan and Palmer doing what they do best.
>
> I like everything Brunner did with the book, and at times he was more
> Ditko-esque than Colan's action-lines and cinematic art could ever be, don't
> get me wrong here. I'd gladly have Frank back on the book! Plus his Clea was
> particularly yummy.
>
> -Slippy
> ----------
> In article <19991023125613...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
> kroth...@aol.com (KRothst402) wrote:
>
> >
> >>>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
> >
> >Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
> >while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
> >better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
> >
> >
> >Gotta disagree here. The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner. Check out
> >Doc in MARVEL FEATURE.
--
Astro Babe
comics.
Astro Babe
----------
In article <38122A87...@basketballmail.com>, 'Jay'
<2pacs...@basketballmail.com> wrote:
>Huh?
>
>Space Slippy wrote:
>
>> Ask my lady friend and she'll tell you too, Dr Strange is sexiest when it's
>> Colan and Palmer doing what they do best.
>>
>> I like everything Brunner did with the book, and at times he was more
>> Ditko-esque than Colan's action-lines and cinematic art could ever be, don't
>> get me wrong here. I'd gladly have Frank back on the book! Plus his Clea was
>> particularly yummy.
>>
>> -Slippy
>> ----------
>> In article <19991023125613...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
>> kroth...@aol.com (KRothst402) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
>> >
>> >Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
>> >while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
>> >better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
>> >
>> >
>> >Gotta disagree here. The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner. Check out
>> >Doc in MARVEL FEATURE.
>
Orac
> >>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
>
> Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
> while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
> better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
>
>
> Gotta disagree here. The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner. Check out
> Doc in MARVEL FEATURE.
I rank them both at the top, followed by Ditko. I have a hard time
choosing between the two, but I'd have to give the nod to Gene Colan. His
art "is" Dr. Strange. I haven't seen anyone do it better.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."--Orac
a.k.a. |
David Gorski|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"--Orac again
Space Slippy
-Slippy
----------
In article <7utdla$2g1$1...@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Astro Babe"
<astr...@lustinspace.zzn.com> wrote:
>Hey take it from a chick, Doctor Strange is the sexiest man in Marvel
>comics.
>
>Astro Babe
>----------
>In article <38122A87...@basketballmail.com>, 'Jay'
><2pacs...@basketballmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Huh?
>>
>>Space Slippy wrote:
>>
>>> Ask my lady friend and she'll tell you too, Dr Strange is sexiest when it's
>>> Colan and Palmer doing what they do best.
>>>
>>> I like everything Brunner did with the book, and at times he was more
>>> Ditko-esque than Colan's action-lines and cinematic art could ever be, don't
>>> get me wrong here. I'd gladly have Frank back on the book! Plus his Clea was
>>> particularly yummy.
>>>
>>> -Slippy
>>> ----------
>>> In article <19991023125613...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
>>> kroth...@aol.com (KRothst402) wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >>>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
>>> >
>>> >Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
>>> >while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
>>> >better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Gotta disagree here. The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner. Check out
>>> >Doc in MARVEL FEATURE.
>>
Space Slippy
say it doesn't mean she doesn't think it!
-Slippy
----------
In article <3813273C...@basketballmail.com>, 'Jay'
<2pacs...@basketballmail.com> wrote:
>Actually I was confused to hear the same chick say that Clea was "yummy."
>
>Astro Babe wrote:
>
>> Hey take it from a chick, Doctor Strange is the sexiest man in Marvel
>> comics.
>>
>> Astro Babe
>> ----------
>> In article <38122A87...@basketballmail.com>, 'Jay'
>> <2pacs...@basketballmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Huh?
>> >
>> >Space Slippy wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ask my lady friend and she'll tell you too, Dr Strange is sexiest when it's
>> >> Colan and Palmer doing what they do best.
>> >>
>> >> I like everything Brunner did with the book, and at times he was more
>> >> Ditko-esque than Colan's action-lines and cinematic art could ever be, don't
>> >> get me wrong here. I'd gladly have Frank back on the book! Plus his Clea was
>> >> particularly yummy.
>> >>
>> >> -Slippy
>> >> ----------
>> >> In article <19991023125613...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
>> >> kroth...@aol.com (KRothst402) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
>> >> >
>> >> >Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
>> >> >while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
>> >> >better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Gotta disagree here. The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner.
>Check out
>> >> >Doc in MARVEL FEATURE.
>> >
Bala Menon
> In article <01bf1d50$b5c2e0a0$48ac4e0c@bala>, "Bala Menon"
> <b.m...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> I adore the Roger Ster/Paul Smith run from around 1985
> >
> >Yup. Roger Stern's run gets far too little praise; that was
> >some of the best and brightest Dr. Strange, ranging from
> >his WW II battle with Dormammu, to the stunning Michael
> >Golden D'Spayre issue to the quieter moments (like Doc
> >on a golf course ("Charlatan") and Doc with the reincarnated
> >Lama) to the spectacular Dracula war.
>
> Ummmm, forgot about D'Spayre issue, how I'll never know, but
> it just didn't cross my mind. Incredible stuff! What's Golden up
> to these days?
Beats me. I haven't seen him in ages. But my favourite work of his
includes the Doc issue, his early Micronauts work and the great
Batman Special, "The Player on the Other Side".
> I haven't read a whole lot of P. Smith's comics, but
> what I saw wasn't up to the level of those Doctor Stranges.
> Did he peak then, or does he have other brilliant work out there?
My favourite Paul Smith work probably is those Dr. Stranges,
but he did do good work on Iron Man #159 and X-Men #166-175.
> >Somewhere, beyond the darkest depths of the Dark Dimension,
> >in a land where Dormammu fears to tread, and upon which great
> >Agamotto refuses to cast his eye, lies a small pocket dimension,
> >populated by Teen Tony, a young Dr. Strange, a looney-tunes
> >berserker Strange and a cast of thousands of Spider-clones.
> >Some day, say the prophecies, the dimension will open up and
> >its inhabitants go free ... and Nightmare gain complete control
> >of the waking world.
>
> Gak! You shouldn't say that too loudly around here, there
> are Marvel editors listening!
Yeah, but I tend to trust Tom Brevoort. Dunno which other editors
are listening.
> Have you read my "Marvel's Greatest Superhero Blunders" post
> elsewhere on this newsgroup under my Clark Kent identity of 'James?'
Yup. Though I didn't note the Slippy signature on it before.
> that (gag!) T & A era of Doctor Strange, Socerer Supreme
> by Jackson Guice from the early 80's. It was amazing to
> me that the Doctor himself wasn't even noticing that the
> world around him had changed and that instead of going
> to the dark dimension, he was stuck in the pin-up
> dimension! If Marvel was trying to bump up the surreality
> in Doctor Strange they sure did it then! The Roy and Dann
> writing might have been good, but to be honest I just can't
> get past the art to enjoy them,
I thought there was a trifle too much of flippant Doc humour,
but they were okay, especially the earlier ones. And Jackson
Guice did do one of my favourite What If's, Vol 1 #40 or so,
"What if Dr. Strange never became the Sorcerer Supreme"
> and what issues I have of that era, I read
> kind of begrudgingly. How does he get his eye back?
Agamotto (who does a lot of work in the eye business) gave
him one of Silver Dagger's. Dagger wasn't as happy as Doc
about this turn of events.
> >The latest example of this trend seems to be on the lettercol
> >of IRON MAN #23, where the column-writer says that Tony
> >Stark is in his mid-to-late-twenties ! Which doesn't mesh at
> >all with any of his history to date ... <sigh> ...
>
> Did they really? I just moved cross-country and haven't been
> able to quite catch up on all my comics yet so I haven't
> seen that yet.
Well, yeah, but you'll note I specified letter-column writer above.
I was pretty sure the actual writer, Kurt Busiek, considered Tony
older, and he's confirmed that age as approximately 33 in
another thread.
> And worse, does this mean Iron Man's original armor was
> power by Intel Inside instead of those transistors I always
> though it was, in the way that Byrne-Hulk Gamma Lazer
> "makes more sense" than a bomb?
Iron Man's original armour was powered by top-hat transistors.
Accept no substitutes.
Jay
Astro Babe wrote:
> Hey take it from a chick, Doctor Strange is the sexiest man in Marvel
> comics.
>
> Astro Babe
> ----------
> In article <38122A87...@basketballmail.com>, 'Jay'
> <2pacs...@basketballmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Huh?
> >
> >Space Slippy wrote:
> >
> >> Ask my lady friend and she'll tell you too, Dr Strange is sexiest when it's
> >> Colan and Palmer doing what they do best.
> >>
> >> I like everything Brunner did with the book, and at times he was more
> >> Ditko-esque than Colan's action-lines and cinematic art could ever be, don't
> >> get me wrong here. I'd gladly have Frank back on the book! Plus his Clea was
> >> particularly yummy.
> >>
> >> -Slippy
> >> ----------
> >> In article <19991023125613...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
> >> kroth...@aol.com (KRothst402) wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
> >> >
> >> >Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
> >> >while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
> >> >better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Gotta disagree here. The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner. Check out
> >> >Doc in MARVEL FEATURE.
> >
Jay
Orac wrote:
> In article <19991023125613...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
> kroth...@aol.com (KRothst402) wrote:
>
> > >>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
> >
> > Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
> > while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
> > better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
> >
> >
> > Gotta disagree here. The best Dr Strange artist was Frank Brunner. Check out
> > Doc in MARVEL FEATURE.
>
> I rank them both at the top, followed by Ditko. I have a hard time
> choosing between the two, but I'd have to give the nod to Gene Colan. His
> art "is" Dr. Strange. I haven't seen anyone do it better.
>
> --
> Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."--Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?"--Orac again
--
Robert Wood
gotta get Jackson Guice. Especially the cover the DSSS 23 (where she is in the
long flowing night gown standing next to a terrible representation of Doc).
While we are discussing Doc's outfits, I originally (for several years) hated the
few masked issues of Doc back in the late 60's, but in retrospect (and especially
in light of the last 3 changes), it wasn't that bad. I would rather see Doc in
his "traditional" outfit. The last outfit with the "golden doily" (what a great
description!), I knew wouldn't last long (it would take an artist too long to draw
it every time [in fact the main artist used pasted photocopies in many places]).
Other than the "John Lennon" face and greasy hair, I liked the costume that lasted
One Whole Issue, which was the dark blue (or black maybe) with a star pattern
across it (again too hard to draw on a consistent basis) but it did tie Doc in
nicely with Eternity. It does boil down to the fact that Doc is NOT a traditional
superhero and never will be. He should have a "mysterious occult" look while
retaining his playboy face and grace.
Robert
KRothst402 wrote:
> >>>The great Doctor Strange debate continues...
>
> Alright, now I know you're a long-time Doctor Strange fan, as am I, and
> while Gene "The Dean" Colan is my all-time favorite artist (no one was
> better at drawing Doctor Strange himself, or Clea) <<<<
>
John Bilow
>----------
>In article <381074CD...@basketballmail.com>, 'Jay'
><2pacs...@basketballmail.com> wrote:
>>2) Give the Doctor a more haunting appearance, as befits a Warlock Supreme.
> He
>>should go back to a dark cloak and a hood. Furthermore, his amulet should be
>>more powerful, since it draws power directly from Agamotto. The Doc would
> more a
>>less be an "Exemplar" of Agamotto.
>
>Hood? Darker "Haunting" look?
>
>Yuk.
>
>enough of the stupid masks and silly "faux-superhero" looks we've seen him
>Sure, I know there is no way in hell to get Ditko back on the book, but I'd
>like to see an artist who truely loves the art of Steve Ditko and could
>truely pull off the weird landscapes of the dark dimension and the cool
>some goth wiccan and he shouldn't look like one, he is a good looking older
>are supposed to be the cloak of levitation, no more stupid superhero
>costumes. And absolutely, positively no wiccan and no goth.
>Brendan McCarthy is the man for the job, no one loves Ditko and does better
>Gosh (Written by Peter Milligan, published by DC) or the early covers on
>Shade the Changing Man (Second Series) or Paradax from Vortex Comics to know
>what I'm talking about. Steve Rude "The Dude" and I discussed old Ditko Dr.
>Stranges at the Chicago Comic Con a few years ago and he too, would be a
>great choice.
>
>Rob Leifeld back at Marvel again, but you know, knowing Marvel it just might
>happen.
AMEN!!!!
Grim, gothic, and gritty are the worst things to happen to Dr.
Strange. I want the Red & Gold cloak of levitation back. And the Amulet/Eye
of Aggamotto. I want the house on blecker street (or wherever it was) and
Wong back in the picture. The REAL Dr. Strange needs to find the Lennon and
STRANGE Immitators and do grevious bodily harrm to them.
I agree with what you said about the best times of Dr. Strange in
another post. His first fight with Dormamu, the first appearance of Eternity,
and the Princers of Power fight were all time classics and an example of what
Dr. Stange should try to get back to.
Personally, I liked almost everything about the good doctor until his
series was taken away and he was stuck in a book with cloak and dagger. In
fact his series just prior to that was pretty damn good. The last few years
of that were particularly good, giving us two classic "strange" tales: The
Dracula/Darkhold story arc and the Umar/Clea confrontation in the Dark
Dimension.
John Bilow
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