the worst artwork in MU
Amritpal Bhambra
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> How about ROB LIEFELD on anything!!!!
>
>
Or the usuall god awfull fill in artist that they had on X-men and Uncanny
over the last few years? Now they where shite!
Amrit
John.J.J
Marvel comic has the worst artwork? IMO, it is peter paker: spiderman .
Aaron Thall
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>hi, i just start reading comic a year ago. So I want to know currently
which
>Marvel comic has the worst artwork? IMO, it is peter paker: spiderman .
Ummm... the absolute worst artwork Marvel has ever had has to be the final
year of Doom 2099. Ugly, childish, unresearched (like the Baxter Building
instead of Four Freedoms Plaza), unproportionate, rushed, and nasty.
Steven Horton
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I'd probably pick the Pop Mhan years of Ghost Rider or most of the Rhodey
as Iron Man years of Iron Man.
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CHI PHAN
which Marvel comic has the worst artwork? IMO, it is peter paker:
I don't believe in the worst artwork theory cause there's always someone
out there that will be even worst.
I will agree with you that Peter Parker: Spider-Man definetly has very
bad artwork. The way JR JR draws now is like he's using crayons. All his
characters have big hands, heads, and bodies. They don't have any
definition at all. Even Spider-Man webbing look like cheap crap. I used
to think JR JR artwork has awesome back in the 80s during his Amazing
Spider-Man run. I can't believe how his artwork has decline since then.
What's even worst, is that so many people out there think his current
artwork is great.
John Abitbol
More time for the arachnid.
Or maybe he doesn't care as much anymore.
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> CHI PHAN <CHP...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> > I will agree with you that Peter Parker: Spider-Man definetly has very
> > bad artwork. The way JR JR draws now is like he's using crayons. All his
> > characters have big hands, heads, and bodies. They don't have any
> > definition at all. Even Spider-Man webbing look like cheap crap. I used
> > to think JR JR artwork has awesome back in the 80s during his Amazing
> > Spider-Man run. I can't believe how his artwork has decline since then.
> > What's even worst, is that so many people out there think his current
> > artwork is great.
>
> Hell, the guy was my favourite X-Artist ever. But now he does indeed suck.
>
>
Deat...@webtv.net
it regardless, was when Danny Bulanadi was inking MICRONAUTS. Somehow
he not only managed to obliterate the style of the penciller he was
working over (how anyone can make both Gil Kane and Steve Ditko art look
unrecognizable is beyond me!), he also seemingly unable to define more
than one texture. Water, fur, skin, glass, wood, metal, cloth... it all
looked the same under his brush. What's he been up to since then?
Every other book that I thought had really bad art remained unpurchased
by me, so I really can't say what the current titleholder is.
TPE!
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Alan Travis
> hi, i just start reading comic a year ago. So I want to know currently which
> Marvel comic has the worst artwork? IMO, it is peter paker: spiderman .
John Romita Jr.? Arrggh! Read more comics. ---Alan
John Abitbol
I especially liked the music instruments that looked like they'd been carved
out of some balsa wood planks by retards.
Buladani on Daredevil was also quite interesting. I wonder whatever happened
to him since? Nothing I hope. He made me believe for a time that mazuchelli
sucked.
Colan's recent come back (so to say) has also be very painful to me, I used
to like his work on Dr. Strange and early DD. His recent fill-ins in
Daredevil have convinced me that there is no use mixing friendship and
professionalism.
But in my book nothing comes close to Herb Trimpe on Hulk and Don Heck on
Captain Marvel (the first series). I remember burning one.
Today, Liefeld is the man I like to hate. But it's not really a Marvel
problem anymore. Or is it?
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alternative spelling for "Liefeld" I thought you guys might want to know.
David O'Brien
Jason Czeskleba
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>and how about Vine Colette on Dazzler?
How about Vince on ANYTHING? He is definitely in the hack hall of fame.
>But in my book nothing comes close to Herb Trimpe on Hulk and Don Heck on
>Captain Marvel (the first series). I remember burning one.
>
I disagree... I really liked Trimpe's work on Hulk.
Jamie W Bradburn
Don Perlin on early 80's DEFENDERS - when inked by somebody like Joe
Sinnottt, they're OK. When inked loosely, look out - makes reading some
of those issues a painful experience.
Tuff
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Christopher Cary
Inked by Terry Austin, they weren"t bad).
freshie
wrote:
>hi, i just start reading comic a year ago. So I want to know currently which
>Marvel comic has the worst artwork? IMO, it is peter paker: spiderman .
>
currently, I would have to go with Sal Larocca on Fantastic Four.
Ray Smo
Possibly Herb Trimpe as well.
Timeo Hominem Unius Libri
Raymond Smotherman
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L. J'amal Walton
How about the Tommy Lee Edwards on Moon Knight.
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horrid. And Alex Saviuk on the late Web's were pretty bad. But I figure at
that time Marvel didn't quite give a damn because the stories were as awful
as the art. I knew I was an addicted Spider fan when I continued to buy
that drivel.
V.
Merri Bradley
remember that far back?
Vvanragnar
WAAAAY better.
Vvanragnar
drew the Falcon in a pimp suit....
pm...@vms.cis.pitt.edu
> Ah, Frank Robbins, the man who
> drew the Falcon in a pimp suit....
Maybe I'm old, too, but I vividly remember when he took over drawing Cap. I had
only been reading for a couple of years. I think he took over for Sal Buscema,
but I could be wrong. I just remember how much I hated it. Ah, to be 12
again--no thanks!
I also remember anxiously anticpating Kirby's return. At last, good art again.
And the art was very good, but what the heck was he writing? I should go back
and re-read those Kirby stories, I will probaly enjoy them a lot more at 35 than
I did at 13.
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> which
> >Marvel comic has the worst artwork? IMO, it is peter paker: spiderman .
>
> year of Doom 2099. Ugly, childish, unresearched (like the Baxter Building
> instead of Four Freedoms Plaza), unproportionate, rushed, and nasty.
>
Gah. I loved that series up until the whole One Nation Under Doom story...
And you're right, the art did blow (as did late Ghost Rider 2099 issues),
but I'll still stick with Excalibur #37-39 as the WORST ever.
Chris
Chris Dickinson
which
> Marvel comic has the worst artwork? IMO, it is peter paker: spiderman .
>
>
Odd.. I really get into JRJR's art. His drawings look like 60's art with a
90's spin to them. I don't read PPSM, but his work in Thor and other
projects *I* think were pretty good. But it's not for everyone, I guess.
Chris
Trinity
Kirby. Nobody has ever equalled his early work for sheer drama and
power. But nobody had ever equalled the ugliness of his artwork
either. The yellow skin, blunt fingers and brutish squareness of his
faces became intollerable to me in later years, until I literally
refused to buy comics that even had COVERS by the guy.
Now, I know that pointing out that Kirby's work is ugly in a comic
group is a lot like pointing out that Asminov's books are trite and
boring in a sci-fi group, but somebody has to do it. =) But to give
the King his due- the guy was a genius, and nobody else could of
created the characters than he and Stan Lee did.
Tim Harvell
at amazing spider-man v.1 #40 "the end of the green goblin" the art was
by john romita sr. and the first thing i noticed was there was a huge
amount of thought clouds and speech balloons (or whatever those things
are called) the pages were filled with mostly stan lee's dialogue. the
second thing i noticed was there was almost no background at all. it
was for the most part characters in the foreground, a little background,
and then mostly blank yellow space. this man is considered a legend,
but i think with the large amount of dialogue, and the lack of
background detail, a comic like that published today would get an
audible groan from most people on this newsgroup. that's what scares
me... the comics today have much more detailed art, and much more
realistic stories, but they don't come close to matching the sheer
genius of those old stories. jack kirby also, if he was a brand new
artist today, instead of an established legend, i think people would
treat his art harshly.
wow, i just rambled on ...sorry
Deat...@webtv.net
<< But in my book nothing comes close to Herb Trimpe on Hulk and Don
Heck on Captain Marvel (the first series). I remember burning one. >>
Trimpe art, to me, depends on who's inking it. Either Severin inking
him on HULK? Love it. Someone like Jack Abel or Mike Esposito (using
names only as examples; haven't actually seen either of them ink
Trimpe)? Fuggeddaboutit.
As far as Kirby goes, I never really LIKED his artwork. But I could
APPRECIATE it, if that makes any sense. Those big kneecaps, pointless
squiggly lines, and fists that looked like stacks of rolled quarters
(among other aspects of his art) do nothing for me. But the man
definitely had a talent for creating long-lasting characters, as well as
livening things up in the industry when most of the art was just
"there." (I mean, as much as I like the art by guys like Curt Swan,
etc., it looks so lifeless compared to stuff Kirby did in the '60s.)
Oddly enough, I tend to like it when other artists adopt a Kirby style,
or the way they draw Kirbyesque stuff. Guys like Byrne, Simonson,
Trimpe, Mignola, Miller, Ladronn, and others I can't remember right now.
(Stupid brain! Be more smart!) Don't know why I do. Funny how that
works.
TPE!
PS: One thing a lot of the younger people tend to forget is that Kirby
was in the biz going on 20 years BEFORE FF#1; he wasn't just some new
"hot" kid who broke into the industry because of his cool style. Too
bad far too many other artists aren't as willing to learn the rules
before they start to break them.
Christopher Cary
as bad. If not bad, then just not my style
John Abitbol
> >
>
> I disagree... I really liked Trimpe's work on Hulk.
>
John Abitbol
sucked more.
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on Ann Nocenti's daredevil.
He just works too much.
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Jamie W Bradburn
: In article <19990719192601...@ng-ce1.aol.com>, vvanr...@aol.comspamless (Vvanragnar) writes:
: > Ah, Frank Robbins, the man who
: > drew the Falcon in a pimp suit....
Those Robbins issues are full of wacky clothing - check out the outfits on
the gangsters in #192. At least there wasn't a fashion show on that flight...
: I also remember anxiously anticpating Kirby's return. At last, good art again.
: And the art was very good, but what the heck was he writing? I should go back
: and re-read those Kirby stories, I will probaly enjoy them a lot more at 35 than
: I did at 13.
I tried awhile ago, when I saw a few in a bargain bin (I got rid of my
70's Kirby Caps eons ago). Flipped through them...still weren't so hot,
especially the annual with the space vampire and the "Alamo II" sequence.
Airbrusher
Of course if Picasso turned out one of his master works today he would
be laughed at (as he was in his time). But to be honest I always hated
Picasso's work. In fact, he seemed to think it was a big joke any way.
But the point is, well...he did open up an entire way of thinking in
art. And the old comic book masters (in visual as well as written)
started an entire way of thought and approach.
So laugh at the old masters some may do. But because of those old
masters we have what we have today. Good or bad.
We are still comic lovers are we not ?
Gene
Air Brusher
Was here...
Tumithak
In the newspaper comic-strip world, he's pretty much a legend. He followed
in the 1940's "Caniff school" of drawing with thick, shadowy brushstrokes -
a style which was out of fashion by the time his "Johnny Hazard" secret
agent strip died and he was trying to survive in the world of modern comic
books. Anyone can be out of his or her element - can anyone imagine Jim Lee
trying to draw his own version of "Calvin and Hobbes"? But then again, that
might actually work is some odd way. You never know.
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vvanr...@aol.comspamless (Vvanragnar) writes:
>
>Ah, Frank Robbins, the man who
>drew the Falcon in a pimp suit....
Because the writer told him to, as part of an ill-conceived "new
origin" of the Falcon.
Pierce
Mikel Midnight
cjc...@webtv.net (Christopher Cary) wrote:
> No, I remember his work on Cap and his art on the Invaders was just
> as bad. If not bad, then just not my style
Actually, I never liked Robbins and hated him on Captain America ... but I
thought his Invaders rocked. It was just the perfect match between content
and artist. And when Robbins left the series, it immediately took a turn
for the worst.
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These issues were enough to make my eyes bleed.
pm...@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Well, I think maybe it was just a bad fit. I've read and enjoyed some of Batman
stories which he wrote and/or drew which have appeared in different
compilations. Or again, in my case, it was the case of a 12 year old who was
very upset when one of favorite pencillers was replaced by someone with a
dramatically different style.
--Patrick in pgh
Mego13
Jay K. Ro
Kirby? His figures and action scenes aren't nearly as dynamic or
detailed as the Image guys." I've gotten a little wiser, and I still
don't think Kirby's art was perfect, but he was very talented, and one of
his best talents, IMHO, was character design. Looking back, his costumes
and visuals for the FF, X-Men, Thor, Silver Surfer, Galactus, etc. were so
ahead of their time and so classic that they're still around. his DC
designs were great too. His talent and the fact that he was so prolific
allowed him to leave his mark on a host of characters. Look at
the Image books, their character designs were derivative and unimaginative
(bland too). But Kirby knew how to keeping things simple yet effective
and dramatic.
And really who could ask for more?
Jay Ro
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end when Doom traveled back to the past. Namor was drawed like he fell
out of a badly draw episode of Elfquest and fortune was esentually a
caracture.
I did notice that many people complained about Giffin's art back when he
was doing Alpha Flight and from what I saw of it (ugh).
HelmutZemo
>on Ann Nocenti's daredevil.
>He just works too much.
I've always considered Man without Fear to be his best. But second place goes
to the Nocenti DD's.
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>>on Ann Nocenti's daredevil.
>>He just works too much.
Punisher War Journal #1 was drawn by Jim Lee and Carl Potts.
John Abitbol
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somtimes the artist didn't really do their own work . Or can someone
actually get worse after long years of practice?
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Carmine Infantino
Berni Wrightson
John Buscema
Gil Kane
Richard Corben
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CHI PHAN
actually get worse after long years of practice?>
Yes, someone can actually get worse after long years of practice.
Most artist, I believe are thrill and excited when they first start out
just like any other jobs. But once you've been doing the same thing for
so many years the excitement fades away and you're just not a
perfectionist as you used to be. Especially once you establish yourself
as a premier artist. You don't feel the need to prove yourself to anyone
anymore. This is why most artist after a long time tend to want to try
something new like writing instead.
Scott J. Promish
worst artists to pick up a pencil. Oh, I'm quite aware of his place in
comics history, and his work in the early days wasn't bad, but take a look
at stuff from the last 15 years or so, like his run on ROM. His characters
look like bendy toys in unnatural positions, his faces are hideous, and in
general the drawing is just sloppy. Even John Byrne (who was much better
back then) couldn't make it look good. And his aliens, ugh...
I also remember a Fantastic Four annual with the "Dragon Lord" that had
really atrocious art.
Brett Tennant
they've had a couple of good artists do a couple issues here and there, but
most of it has been crap.
Brett
Amritpal Bhambra wrote:
> Mego13 <cgr...@high-voltage.com> wrote in message
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> > How about ROB LIEFELD on anything!!!!
> >
> >
>
> Or the usuall god awfull fill in artist that they had on X-men and Uncanny
> over the last few years? Now they where shite!
>
> Amrit
Paulo Costa
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>my mistake : I meant punisher war ZONE #1
No, actuall you're right. Lee and Potts did Punisher War JOURNAL #1.
War Zone #1 was pencilled by JR Jr.
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Trinity
<sco...@concentric.net> wrote:
> Here's another one for you: I've always thought Steve Ditko was one of the
> worst artists to pick up a pencil.
Yup. But Diko and Kirby are invunerable to criticism, because of their
place in comic history. Well, they do deserve praise for what they
helped to create, and Kirby was probably THE best comic designer ever.
But their artwork is ugly. =)
I remember Conan by Gil Kane that was so badly drawn that it was
actually humorous. Gil knew nothing about perspective or
forshortening, so Conan's sword always looked bigger than a surfbord,
and his arms and legs looked about six feet long. =)
Kenmlin
>actually humorous. Gil knew nothing about perspective or
>forshortening, so Conan's sword always looked bigger than a surfbord,
>and his arms and legs looked about six feet long. =)
Don't forget that Gil inks using magic marker.
Deat...@webtv.net
<< Don't forget that Gil inks using magic marker. >>
This is what's always bugged me about Joe Kubert's art: as opposed to
other artists, whose pages are bigger than the published comics and thus
have to be reduced in size to be printed, Joe's art always looked (to
me) like he drew it SMALLER than the published size, and it had to be
ENLARGED to fit. Don't know why it looks like that, but it's what's
always turned me off to his art. That and the way it looked like he
inked his work with dull-pointed felt tip pens.
I believe the word I'm looking for here is "muddy."
TPE!
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jinXlyric
knew there was a good story hiding behind the art, but I couldn't get to it.
He was artist during the Llan the Sorcerer arc(s) and was preceeded by Mr.
Jim Lee. Calimmee's work just wasn't suited to superheroics. It actually
made me a bit leery of the writer's (Hudnall) subsequent work (irrational
association).
-jinX-
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jinXlyric <jin...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> I don't recall Giffin on Alpha Flight. I hated John Calimee though. I
just
> knew there was a good story hiding behind the art, but I couldn't get to
it.
> He was artist during the Llan the Sorcerer arc(s) and was preceeded by Mr.
> Jim Lee. Calimmee's work just wasn't suited to superheroics. It actually
> made me a bit leery of the writer's (Hudnall) subsequent work (irrational
> association).
> -jinX-
>
James Sherman filled in for Calimee in #83, and somehow managed to be even
worse!
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"...their twittering ignorance, their incessant, meaningless noise,
reminding themselves they still draw breath by belittling or insulting every
fact or occurence that catches their eyes..."
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: James Sherman filled in for Calimee in #83, and somehow managed to be even
: worse!
I thought that issue was really good. Highly peculiar, but good.
Shawn
Kimberly and Jay Schimel
Great Batman writer though, didn't he create Man-Bat? Here's another one
for you - Steve Ditko (post-Spidey) drawing some of the FF annuals back in
the 80's!!
John Abitbol
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<379A7DB5...@megsinet.net>:
>Oooh yea, makes my skin crawl. His Invaders stuff was pretty scary
>also! Great Batman writer though, didn't he create Man-Bat? Here's
>another one for you - Steve Ditko (post-Spidey) drawing some of the FF
>annuals back in the 80's!!
>
I'm still going to have to say "Whover Drew the last issue of Doom
2099." The one where Doom's been captured by his past self, and
Daredevil makes an appearance. I recall asking myself "Did the artist
have a stroke or something?"
John Abitbol
Wombat God <womb...@aol.comQdeleteQ> wrote in message
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> Herb Trimpe's "new style" on Fantastic Four unlimited - awful,
faux-Liefeld
> stuff.
Wombat God
Khan
nothing was ever worse (not even spit-line Sal Buscema) than Rob Liefeld. No
knowledge of anatomy and the same faces and poses over and over and over and
over
Steve Kirby
I'll get panned for this but I have to toss Ditko in there with Hack(or
was it Heck) and Trimpe...
but Leibfeld takes it. Oversized chests, tiny feet and hands, wierd
perspectives and suddenly every woman in the MU has silicon implants.
>
>
HelmutZemo
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DON HECK DOES NOT SUCK !!!!!!!!
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Trinity
<darkm...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
> DON HECK DOES NOT SUCK !!!!!!!!
He spits, too. =)
Heck, Trimpe, Kirby and Diko were all legends... and they all sucked.
*grin* Back in the old days, you could be considered "great" just by
showing up for work. Now days, the standard is a bit higher. But
still, I've seen guys working today that are a heck (pardon the pun) of
a lot worse than any of the folks we've mentioned here... they just
have the advantage of having Liquid make them look good.
Brian Miller
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><darkm...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>
>
>Heck, Trimpe, Kirby and Diko were all legends... and they all sucked.
Being old and stuff I feel I'm forced to rush to the defense of these great
artists. In no way do they suck. You may not car for the style, but I still
find it to be quite extrodinary. Jack Kirby is still the king, simply
because his isn't the photo realistic style that was popularized by Adams
and helped to inspire the greats of today, does not mean it sucks. That
would be like saying all anime sucks because it isn't like the way you like
it, it's simply different. Kirby drew strong, solid characters. They showed
highly readable emotions on their faces and everyone was easily recognizable
and distinguishable from one another. The action in Kirby's panels was also
excellent. It conveyed exactly what was going on. Most importantly, there
was no distortion of features. You didn't have to worry about panels where
the character looked like an ameboa orwhere they were in some impossibly
rediculous position. It was solid story telling. Heros looked like heros
and it was great!
Ditko was pretty sharp himself. It's hard to look at the first batch of
Spider-Man issues and just dismiss them as something that sucks. For
example, everyone has probably seen the classic scene where he is trapped
under heavy machinery with the threat of drowning as water rises. The slow
increase of size of the panel and the step by step struggle with him slowly
using nothing but will power to throw off his burden was masterfully done.
It was increadible artwork and story telling. I have rarely seen a set of
pages as well done.
As for Heck and Trimpe, well, they didn't suck. They can't compare to a
Great like Kirby, but they weren't complete hacks or anything. Don't be so
harsh to judge. And let me tell you, I'd rather their solid story telling
than the confused distortions of Liefeld, who is supposed to be an industry
great.
The Squirrel Boy, who come out of his perpetual lurking to defend those that
made his heros great.
Mega Gear X
artists. In no way do they suck. >>
Yes. I feel the same way about the artists who went over to Image. I grew up on
those guys. McFarlane practically reinvented Spiderman, X-Factor#65-68 was some
of the best artwork I've ever seen from Whilce and the story wasn't too shabby
either by Chris. Liefeld's art is alright. And Silvestri drew an entertaining
Uncanny X-Men. I grew up on those guys so their art is the industry ideal at
the time.
My friends, who only like the art and don't actually read the books, and
apparently a lot of newbies think the oldies from the 60's suck compared to
your Jim Lee's and Joe Mad's and Michael Turner's. They think that the oldies
can't draw well at all. I mean straight up, who would you rather have draw a
comic book, Jack Kirby or Jim Lee?
Don't get me wrong. I love reading back in the day stories. And the art was
really good. But Jim Lee's stuff will attract wayyy more people than Jack
Kirby's. Just take out both artist's copies of Fantastic Four#1, show any
passerby on the street and ask which book looks better. I'll bet Jim Lee will
win the margin of votes.
Nowadays, the art is so wonderfully good, it takes like 8 months for an issue
to come out. Or the regular artist will only draw like a few pages while a
guest artist draws the rest.
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no.fun@all
Have you read Fantastic Four Unlimited #9 to 12 (1995)? All have
stories drawn by Herb Trimpe and it seems to me that he tries to
emulate the style of Rob Liefeld!
Markus
who has seen worse since then, but has erased it from his mind
Andrew Ryan Chang
>it, it's simply different. Kirby drew strong, solid characters. They showed
>highly readable emotions on their faces and everyone was easily recognizable
>and distinguishable from one another. The action in Kirby's panels was also
I wonder to what degree Kirby altered his style to accomodate the
relatively unsophisticated printing of his times. Current paper and
presses mean that tight crosshatches and l'il speed lines won't bleed or
smear or vanish...
As for the people who don't like Earth X: fine, but on any
objective level Leon is very skilled in how he composes a page and how
well he renders the human face and figure. One has merely to look at the
inked, uncolored sample pages at the Earth X web site to see this.
(Granted some panels appear a bit muddy... though if I look closer by
zooming in on the gif, they clear up some, implying that Leon might have
been better served if they had put up a higher res image)
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> On 04 Sep 1999 15:57:45 GMT, mega...@aol.com (Mega Gear X) wrote:
> >My friends, who only like the art and don't actually read the books, and
> >apparently a lot of newbies think the oldies from the 60's suck compared
to
> >your Jim Lee's and Joe Mad's and Michael Turner's. They think that the
oldies
> >can't draw well at all. I mean straight up, who would you rather have
draw a
> >comic book, Jack Kirby or Jim Lee?
Personally, I'd pick Kirby. But, again, trying to compare artists from
`back then' with artists from `now' is like trying to compare apples and
oranges. Styles change. Artists change. Fan taste varies. What was
`hot' for those of us around during the Silver Age might not necessarily be
as `hot' today; then again, you might be surprised. "Talent will out", as
the old saw goes.
(Heck, as a footnote, take a look at Kirby's career; his style changed
drastically from his early to later work.)
> I've just been looking through some late-60s FF reprints and for me
> the answer is simple: Jack Kirby, every single time. If there's a
> finer run of superhero comics than FF #43 - #71, I've never seen it,
> and I've read thousands of comics in my time.
Right on, Bubba!
:)
David
(Who has been watching way too much Nash Bridges. LOL)
Michael Alan Chary
>On 04 Sep 1999 15:57:45 GMT, mega...@aol.com (Mega Gear X) wrote:
>
>>My friends, who only like the art and don't actually read the books, and
>>apparently a lot of newbies think the oldies from the 60's suck compared to
>>your Jim Lee's and Joe Mad's and Michael Turner's. They think that the oldies
>>can't draw well at all. I mean straight up, who would you rather have draw a
>>comic book, Jack Kirby or Jim Lee?
>
>the answer is simple: Jack Kirby, every single time. If there's a
>finer run of superhero comics than FF #43 - #71, I've never seen it,
>and I've read thousands of comics in my time.
I think Jack Kirby was beter than Jim Lee, and definitely one of the short
list for greatest ever, but there are a few people I'd place up there with
him. Instead of going directly to my choices which will not provoke
outrage (Schulz, Alex Raymond, Jack Cole, etc.) let's start a fight: Keith
Giffen at around the time of "The Great Darkness Saga" was the best
superhero artist ever. Brilliantly page and panel construction, excellent
storytelling, terrific grasp of anatomy which could be both understated
and exaggerated within the story. He just had a terrific grasp of
special effects. Then he started stealing from a worse artist, and now
he's good, but nothing special. But for a while there, he was the best.
We'll call him the Jim Rice of comics artists, while Kirby was Ted
Williams.
Btw, the best comic book run I have ever seen was the first 28 or 29
issues of the Giffen/DeMatteis Justice League.
hurricane Season
Hack(or
> >was it Heck) and Trimpe...
Ditko is vastly underrated in his contribution to the way comic art has
evolved. Granted his style will seem dated when compared to what can be
done today (remember, we now have computer color separation, quality stock
paper, and better printing methods then they had then), but stylisticallly,
folks like McFarlane and Larsen are direct descendents from Ditko.
He decided to take full advantage of the fact that he was in a two
dimensional medium that did not have to obey the laws of physics. The
vistas he created in Dr. Strange, and the frenetic motion of Spider-Man
wouldn't have been conveyed correctly by any other artist of the time (Kirby
included).
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"John.J.J" wrote:
> wait until you have read Peter Parker: Spiderman!
What's wrong with Romita Jr.?
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Alan Travis
> Khan escreveu na mensagem ...
> >Herb Trimpe on the Hulk and anything by Don Hack sucked yes, but
> man -o-man
> >nothing was ever worse (not even spit-line Sal Buscema) than Rob Liefeld.
> No
> >knowledge of anatomy and the same faces and poses over and over and over
> and
> >over
>
> DON HECK DOES NOT SUCK !!!!!!!!
You tell 'em! Don's a favorite of mine too!
Alan
SLWalsh
I have...mixed feelings about JR Jr. At first, with his stuff on
Uncanny, I did *not* like it. Too blocky.
Then when he started on Spider-Man, I started to like it. Don't ask me
why, since it's practically the same look his Uncanny work had. I don't
get it either...
Now...I've moved into the "Well, it's okay" stage. And it seems, from
friends' comments, I'm the only person I know who even remotely likes
it...
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mael...@EUnet.at (no.fun@all) wrote:
>Have you read Fantastic Four Unlimited #9 to 12 (1995)? All have
>stories drawn by Herb Trimpe and it seems to me that he tries to
>emulate the style of Rob Liefeld!
He did the same on that "Starblasters" limited series that spun off from Quasar. That whole mess has to be a
low point for art, Marvel, and comics in general.
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Alan Travis
Scott Eiler wrote:
> mael...@EUnet.at (no.fun@all) wrote:
>
> >Have you read Fantastic Four Unlimited #9 to 12 (1995)? All have
> >stories drawn by Herb Trimpe and it seems to me that he tries to
> >emulate the style of Rob Liefeld!
>
> He did the same on that "Starblasters" limited series that spun off from Quasar. That whole mess has to be a
> low point for art, Marvel, and comics in general.
The sad thing about that time in Trimpe's career is that his regular style is so much better than Liefeld's.
Check out his early work on Hulk.
Alan
SLWalsh
And even his stuff on GI Joe was good (which I never cared for at the
time, but now is some nice stuff), compared to his FF Unlimited/Star
Blasters downfall...
Andy Sheets
> Ditko is vastly underrated in his contribution to the way comic art has
> evolved. Granted his style will seem dated when compared to what can be
> done today (remember, we now have computer color separation, quality stock
> paper, and better printing methods then they had then), but stylisticallly,
> folks like McFarlane and Larsen are direct descendents from Ditko.
I think the funny thing about Ditko is that his work fits right in with the
underground/alternative scene that he's been kicking around in for the last few
years. I don't think his work is outdated at all (admittedly, I do think he's
past his prime but that's more of an age thing). More that the mainstream
superhero books have turned away from artists like him. He's too different from
the artists that he's inspired.
Andy
Justin Crast
>Alan Travis wrote:
>>
>> "John.J.J" wrote:
>>
>> > wait until you have read Peter Parker: Spiderman!
>>
>> What's wrong with Romita Jr.?
>
>I have...mixed feelings about JR Jr. At first, with his stuff on
>Uncanny, I did *not* like it. Too blocky.
I felt the same. I never truly disliked his art work on it, but I never
liked it much either.
>Then when he started on Spider-Man, I started to like it. Don't ask me
>why, since it's practically the same look his Uncanny work had. I don't
>get it either...
I viewed Romita's work on Punisher: War Zone after seeing his Uncanny stuff,
and from there I was sold that he was great. It seems to me he draws dark,
brooding characters much better (Punisher and Venom for example). Too much
colors and brightness takes away from his art, perhaps.
Justin
Tim Harvell
work on the green goblin series, but it was pretty bad.