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I don't think so, there's nothing electronic about his skeleton. Kind of
like capping your teeth doesn't make you a cyborg.
He's more like a batter dipped shrimp. Ok?
-Snot Monster
"As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to
dispense it." Dick Cavett
>...and if so, would that make/class him a cyborg?
>
No. In fact Wolverine has always had the claws, and they were covered
in admantium(along with the rest of his bones).
We were heros before we were for hire-Iron Fist,
Heros for Hire #19(volume 2)
Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun-Ash, Army of Darkness.
Doesn't anyone stay dead anymore?-Scourge of the Underworld.
You asked for heros. You never said anything about sanity.
Chameleon Boy, S:TAS
> ...and if so, would that make/class him a cyborg?
>
I've been reading X-Men since Giant Size X-Men #1, and was always under
the impression that Wolverine's claws were bionic, and that *SNIKT* was the
sound of the claws sliding out of their metal casings. The fact that the
claws broke through his skin, and that his healing factor was needed to
close the wound once he popped them back in, was yet another reason.
Besides, they've been called 'bionic' by the narrator.
Until, that is, it was revealed he had bone claws all along.
Christian Landry
Which, if you think about it, probably doesn't make any sense....does
anyone know how they work now? Before, when they were "implants",
they were mechanical, adamantium on adamantium. Now that they're
adamantium covered bone, and still work when he didn't have the metal,
I'd guess they move the same way everything else in a body moves- via
muscles. Now how he can keep them sticking out when he drives the
claws into something hard, rather than have them driven back into his
body, doesn't seem very clear. Before it had some mechanical basis-
now it's all supposed to be organic? I don't know....
-Chris C.
> Which, if you think about it, probably doesn't make any sense....does
> anyone know how they work now? Before, when they were "implants",
> they were mechanical, adamantium on adamantium. Now that they're
> adamantium covered bone, and still work when he didn't have the metal,
> I'd guess they move the same way everything else in a body moves- via
> muscles. Now how he can keep them sticking out when he drives the
> claws into something hard, rather than have them driven back into his
> body, doesn't seem very clear. Before it had some mechanical basis-
> now it's all supposed to be organic? I don't know....
Since Origin threw a spanner in the works, its as if he has another mutant
power which gives him the ability to make bone claws protrude from his
hands and stay out till he 'turns them off' again! Its all very confusing
indeed. I suppose if you think of a cat's claw, its claws stay in until it
rleases them, as soon as they grip into something somehow they stay locked
on, but then cat's claws are shaped more like hooks I guess, but so have
some depictions of Wolverines claws - some artists don't draw them striaght
but more curved. Weird, I don't know either...
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I thought cats' claws swung out, rather than shoot out.
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> I thought cats' claws swung out, rather than shoot out.
Oh come, lets not get too technical and picky!
Which I thought of, and works fine cutting through flesh and the like.
But if a cat hits something hard with it's claws, the (and the claw
and paw was made of metal so it wouldn't break), the claw would be
forced back in; unless of course, Wolverine's claw holding muscles are
stronger than his punching muscles; in which case his arm would bounce
off the target- now I know the claws are sharp, but Wolverine does
have limited strength.....oh, my head hurts...
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Can't we excuse this by claiming infinite sharpness on the claws?
In any case, Wolverine often uses slicing motions rather than stabbing
motions.
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I don't want to be a wet blanket, but does it really seem that unlikely that
he has claws? I mean, if your willing to accept that Scott can shoot lasers
out of his eyes, you have to accept a little leeway with Wolvie.
~ Jamie West
But they're so weird! He's a short guy, and he's got claws
stuffed in his forearms that (with certain artists) are somehow twice the
length of said forearms. How can we *not* lose a little suspension of
disbelief?
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Andrew Ryan Chang wrote:
>
> kinetic <jamie...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >I don't want to be a wet blanket, but does it really seem that unlikely that
> >he has claws? I mean, if your willing to accept that Scott can shoot lasers
> >out of his eyes, you have to accept a little leeway with Wolvie.
>
> But they're so weird! He's a short guy, and he's got claws
> stuffed in his forearms that (with certain artists) are somehow twice the
> length of said forearms. How can we *not* lose a little suspension of
> disbelief?
The length doesn't bother me. How many times has he done the little
trick where he pops two claws and puts them around someone's neck,
threatening to pop the third. Look at a normal sized hand and compare
it to a normal sized neck. Those two claws would never go around
someone's neck unless that person were very tiny. We accept these
things and we move on.
Steve
Yeah, but what I don't get about it is if you take a titanium knife,
and try and cut lead, it's not just going to slice through the lead,
your arm is going to bounce off it...the knife won't be damaged, but
it's sharpness isn't going to make it go through the lead either with
your arm strength....
-Chris C.
> We accept these
> things and we move on.
Try this question on for size:
Is there any possible way for Wolverine to die?
;-)
Exactly one: if his popularity were to plummet immensely
- Steve
Suffocation?
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But is there anything that we know of that can cut through something
that is really hard through normal human force, just by being really
sharp? Or are we just excepting it as comic book science, which is
alright.....
And of course, slicing motions wouldn't be at effect, because they
never completely leave the casing.....but he has been know to "punch"
his claws throught things before (often uses them that way for
climbing, or cutting holes through things without edges, as well as
stabbing).
-Chris C.
Sure mainstream Logan was nearly killed
when the Hand nearly cut him in half
with a broadsword through his middle.
It was almost more than his regenerative
capability could handle.
Alternate old Logan of the Rachael
Phoenix future had his body boiled
away by a sentenial leaving only
his COMPLETELY metalic skeleton behind...
Along with a host of other ways
such as suffocation (at the bottom
of a river or in outer space it getting
him there that the trick!); decapitation
(Again try making him sit still long enough
for you to get close enough to possibly
cut off his head).
His regernation ability is great but
NOT all encompassing, you have just
got to keep attacking while it is
trying to heal him such as push
him into a vat of acid while he is
unconscious...
Goodwin and Byrne had him stuck at the bottom of the ocean wondering how
long it would take him to drown.
I'm sure there'd be other ways of killing him, but with some of the hacks
that are writing the character these days I'm sure he'd regenerate fairly
rapidly.
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Well, the two things you need to cut something are sharpness and
hardness/strength; the latter comes by definition of adamantium. So yeah,
there's some comic book science even leaving aside questions of how sharp
the claws are.
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For some reason, I never thought of this till now. But it's gonna
bug me for the rest of my life, thank you very much.
> decapitation
> (Again try making him sit still long enough
> for you to get close enough to possibly
> cut off his head)
Surely you'd hit bones in his neck and stop because fo the adamantium?! ;-)
Yeah, suffocation and/or drowning would probably be the only ways I would
guess.
Chris wrote:
> Steven Dumont <steven...@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:3C45AEC5...@sympatico.ca:
>
> > We accept these
> > things and we move on.
>
> Try this question on for size:
>
> Is there any possible way for Wolverine to die?
>
> ;-)
I prefer the old, reliable woodchipper. With the adamantium skeleton you
might have to run him through a few time but I can live with that.
Ciao,
Terrafamilia
...As long as Wolvie couldn't live with it, eh? (God, that was funny...:)
-Chris C.
This is a myth. Dogs have no locking mechanism for their jaws.
I suppose wolverine has large hands...also, the claws frequently seem to
be drawn non-parallel when deployed, so they might fit around a neck.
A big enough blast could do it. Or turning off/overriding/screwing up
his healing factor before attacking him.
--
James Moar
For a guy who's 5' 3" (or thereabouts) he'd have to have hands like the
Beast for this to work.
Steve
In a Warren Ellis Excaliber (100?), Professor X had files about how to kill
Wolverine. Chopping his head off was what I remember...
Why do I remember that?
-- chip
But wasn't that before he got the admantium back?
--
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We're making preparations for Tina's birthday party and she wants me to
pop out of the cake. You'll never believe what she wants me to not wear.
-- Al, "Leaping of the Shrew," Quantum Leap
There is one other possibility as to why the claws don't get riped
from his forearms when he cuts something hard.
Everyone knows that the claws are bone infused with adamantium, not
covered, but with the pores filled with adamantium. Now wouldn't it be
natural to assume that Logan's connective tissue (ligaments and
tendons) are also infused with Adamantium near the points where it
attaches to the bones. If this is the case then the tendons etc., that
control and hold the claws would be stong enough to keep the claws
from being ripped out.
Chuck
> This is a myth. Dogs have no locking mechanism for their jaws.
I thought that Pit-bulls had to completely close their mouths before opening
them.
~ Jamie West
Does he have adamantium cartilage? Surely you can dislocate one disk
enough to get a clean, non-adamantium-overlapped-spine cut?
--
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Did you read the old Alan Davis annual where he was like disintegrated
and still came back from a drop of blood? Sure, he'd been given some
godlike powers for a brief moment, but still, I came out doubting his
mortality after that.
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>Steven Dumont <steven...@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>news:3C45AEC5...@sympatico.ca:
>
>> We accept these
>> things and we move on.
>
>Try this question on for size:
>
>Is there any possible way for Wolverine to die?
An atomic or gamma bomb.
Michael
/Joakim
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> I'd say it is very simple, just burn every comic book he exist in
> Destroy every x-men the movie DVD and crush every Wolverine doll
> and ...
> That may take a while, throw him into the sun may be one solution or
> just put him in a adamantium cage.
> Or let him meet the best there is, the only problem is that atleast
> one of them would survive.
>
> /Joakim
>
Oh stop my sides are sliting (sarcasm)
> sliting
Correction: 'spliting'
You do need one other thing, and that's force. I can take the world's
sharpest, best forged sword, but I'm not cutting through the side of
my car; and we all know how good that metal is(n't). Maybe dent the
heck out of it, but not cut it....
-Chris C.
Or just turn him into Wolver-Hulk....
-Chris C.
That would be fine, but why doesn't the tendon just rip where the
flesh meets the metal? And if the whole thing is laced, how is it
flexible?
Still trying to figure out how Cyber even moved....
-Chris C.
Brian Oberholzer wrote:
Not a gamma bomb. That would just further mutate him into some sort of
ubermutant. Oh, wait, he's that now.
Ciao,
Terrafamilia
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finish the job, but the sequence suggests it could've worked.
--
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Yeeeesh!
Thankfully his blood doesn't normally do that, or he'd be a
one-man overpopulation problem.
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That story was a complete embarrassment. He came back from a drop of
blood....with his adamantium skeleton intact? How the hell did he recreate
that?
Desslock
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A giant rubber eraser.
> >Is there any possible way for Wolverine to die?
> An atomic or gamma bomb.
Nah, that would just turn him into Wolver-Hulk. Do you really want the
strongest one there is with adamantium claws?
Mike Davis
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>Chris <OBVIOU...@cflowersDOTfreeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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>> sliting
>
>Correction: 'spliting'
You wanna correct that again? :)
Christian Henriksson
(che...@tiscali.se)
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it's the silence of good people."
Still, if you find something to go through (remove/dissolve/make redundant)
the adamantium, and you get his head off, he's done for.
Grant's already got something that goes up to 11, you just know.
-- chip
Magic.
The "enhanced healing factor" thing can't be taken literally.
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> 'spliting'
Correction: 'splitting'
Damn! Sometimes your fingers can type quicker then your brain can act ;-)
>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Brian Oberholzer wrote:
>
>> >Is there any possible way for Wolverine to die?
>> An atomic or gamma bomb.
>
>Nah, that would just turn him into Wolver-Hulk. Do you really want the
>strongest one there is with adamantium claws?
Question: If Wolverine turned into Wolver-Hulk with green
gammaradiated skin, impervious as it is, would he be able to get his
claws _out_?
> Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:39:52 -0500 sade Michael Davis <dav...@pa.msu.edu>
> allt detta:
>
> >On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Brian Oberholzer wrote:
> >
> >> >Is there any possible way for Wolverine to die?
> >> An atomic or gamma bomb.
> >
> >Nah, that would just turn him into Wolver-Hulk. Do you really want the
> >strongest one there is with adamantium claws?
>
> Question: If Wolverine turned into Wolver-Hulk with green
> gammaradiated skin, impervious as it is, would he be able to get his
> claws _out_?
>
Since Wolvie has been shown on many occasions to cut the Hulk, I don't think
the Wolvie-Hulk would have much of a problem popping his claws. Heck,
Deadpool impaled Hulk with a street sign post.
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