Fantastic Four #572 - WOW!
Ohioguy
5 years.
http://www.comicbooknews.us/IMGs/marvel/fantastic_four572.jpg
http://www.mania.com/fantastic-four-572-review_article_118532.html
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/reviews/ff572_review
That said, I do wish that Reed looked a little bit less like Nick
Fury - I'm not used to a buff looking Reed Richards - all around
muscular guy. However, the writing and art are superb on this book.
Oh, and they brought back the letters page! -
http://i34.tinypic.com/kd4y6r.jpg
Raymond Speer
admirable characters, who are good and decent superfolk having
adventures.
I grew very, very tired of
A**hole Reed, who neglects family, ruins finances, and sells out to a
Government Program that runs a Gulag for SuperHeroes.
Sue the B*tch, who feels she is far superior to her clod of a husband
and resents the FF's failure to defer to her opinions and desires.
Petulant Ben, who'll cut and run, leaving his family in a lurch while he
vacations in France and fails to make a committment to either side.
And Hothead Johnny, who was written with the immaturity of a teenager.
The characters are fnally becoming themselves again.
iarwain
I wouldn't mind seeing the Council of Reeds pop up sometime again down
the road,
Magnus, Robot Fighter
Love the 1979 font on the cover
Ohioguy
Since I posted a link to the letters page, how about you folks
petitioning them to add 2 things:
1) "Worlds Greatest Comic Magazine"
&
2) "Marvel Comics Group" banner
Peter Cushing's Ghost
The mag still has a long way to go before earning back that "Worlds Greatest
Comic Magazine" tag.
grinningdemon
Given the state of Marvel and DC comics, it doesn't have far to go to
at least earn the tag "Worlds Greatest MAINSTREAM Comic Magazine."
Michael Wood
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I too enjoyed the whole killing off the idiotic psychohistory/illuminati
rubbish. However it happened through a massive logical inconsistency.
Reed just finished fighting a guy who had destroyed universes and recruited
thousands of alternate univer versions of the FF. Where was the Council of
Reeds while this was happening? Surely the Marquis of Death represented a
huge threat to them.
Michael Wood
Scott Eiler
> Reed just finished fighting a guy who had destroyed universes and recruited
> thousands of alternate universe versions of the FF. Where was the Council of
> Reeds while this was happening?
Probably running, hiding, and offering weak Reeds up for sacrifice.
I'll be happy to see the Council of Reeds go the way of the Kouncil of
Kross-Time Kangs.
iarwain
The original logo has always been my favorite by far, but this one
isn't too bad. It's probably my second favorite variation. Even
though I like the older one better, it was probably time for a change
- as long as the bring the original logo back eventually.
Anim8rFSK
"Michael Wood" <no-...@home.comj> wrote:
The Marquis should have been *exactly* what the Council would fight.
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Winston
I think the groundwork has been laid for one way that might happen:
+ We've seen many characters say that Valeria is smarter than Reed.
+ We've not yet seen any indication that her intelligence would not endure
until adulthood.
- It's long enough ago that I can't recall whether Valeria was Doom's child
while Doom and Reed's minds were swapped. If so, then, Valeria may not
have many alternate universe counterparts.
=> However, if there are more Valerias, you have to wonder if something
like a "Council of Valerias" will be created someday, too.
-WBE
grinningdemon
wrote:
>iarwain <iarw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I did really enjoy this issue, and this entire storyline.
>> I wouldn't mind seeing the Council of Reeds pop up sometime again down
>> the road,
>
>I think the groundwork has been laid for one way that might happen:
>
>+ We've seen many characters say that Valeria is smarter than Reed.
Actually, we've seen many characters say that Valeria will be smarter
than Reed eventually...not yet.
>+ We've not yet seen any indication that her intelligence would not endure
> until adulthood.
>
>- It's long enough ago that I can't recall whether Valeria was Doom's child
> while Doom and Reed's minds were swapped. If so, then, Valeria may not
> have many alternate universe counterparts.
She is the child of Reed in Doom's armor...there was no mind
swap...that was in the Ultimate books.
>=> However, if there are more Valerias, you have to wonder if something
> like a "Council of Valerias" will be created someday, too.
> -WBE
Possibly...but I would think a "Council of Dooms" more likely...the
natural archenemies of the Council of Reeds.
FSogol
>
> Possibly...but I would think a "Council of Dooms" more likely...the
> natural archenemies of the Council of Reeds.
Would a Council of Dooms really be able to work together for anything
beyond assassinating inferior Dooms?
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grinningdemon
wrote:
I would think proving themselves superior to a Council of Reeds would
be something they could all get behind.
YKW (ad hoc)
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They'd all eventually be retconned anyway, leaving us with a Council of
Infinite Doombots...
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Only to be defeated by a pack of Squirrel Girls. X3
Scott Eiler
wrote:
> On 18 Nov 2009 11:11:48 -0500, w...@ubeblock.psr.com.invalid (Winston)
> wrote:
> >- It's long enough ago that I can't recall whether Valeria was Doom's child
> > while Doom and Reed's minds were swapped. If so, then, Valeria may not
> > have many alternate universe counterparts.
>
> She is the child of Reed in Doom's armor...there was no mind
> swap...that was in the Ultimate books.
Actually, I think she was conceived years before, born years after,
and introduced herself to the FF as a teenage girl in between, due to
time travel and the Ultimate Nullifier. Really. It was mostly
coincidence that Reed was wearing Doom's armor when he met her.
Windsor Morgan
In article <XK2dneqSUpVQppnW...@cavtel.net>,
FSogol <FSo...@nospamplease.org> wrote:
> Would a Council of Dooms really be able to work together for anything
> beyond assassinating inferior Dooms?
There was a Council (Kouncil?) of Kangs in the Avengers about 20 years
ago (I'm thinking Avengers vol.1, 280s or so...
The council killed an inferior Kang, if I recalled correctly.
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grinningdemon
Well, it depends on how you look at it...Sue was pregnant at one point
with what would have been Val (back in the 80s) and she lost the
baby...the implication when teenaged Val showed up was that she was
the future daughter of Sue and Doom...but then it was revealed that
Doom was actually Reed in the armor...and then Franklin used his
reality warping powers to put devolve Val back to a fetus and put her
back in Mommy (which seems much creepier in retrospect).
grinningdemon
<FluffyM...@foxnews.com> wrote:
>FSogol <FSo...@nospamplease.org> wrote in
>news:XK2dneqSUpVQppnW...@cavtel.net:
>
>>
>>>
>>> Possibly...but I would think a "Council of Dooms" more likely...the
>>> natural archenemies of the Council of Reeds.
>>
>> Would a Council of Dooms really be able to work together for anything
>> beyond assassinating inferior Dooms?
>>
>
>They'd all eventually be retconned anyway, leaving us with a Council of
>Infinite Doombots...
Nice.
Scott Eiler
I found that creepy even at the time. But on closer examination, I
found that *Reed* used the Ultimate Nullifier to nullify Sue's
miscarriage. That was much more comforting. Meanwhile, Franklin kept
himself amused by nullifying the death of Galactus.
Rob Dye
wrote:
Yeah, but first they'd have to get past that pesky "Which Doom is the
greatest among us?"
Which would put everything else on hold for several thousand
years . . .
BigRiggBlues
I'm waiting for the Council of Wolverines, none of whom are from
different alternate realities, but instead all of them originate from
the 616. This will of course be a retcon to explain why the hell Logan
is everywhere at once.
grinningdemon
I think he must be like Lobo and he fully regenerates from every drop
of blood...and, given how much he bleeds, it totally explains
everything...of course, the real explanation is that the writers are
all taking stupid pills.
FSogol
No, Logan is the Impossible Man from Poppup. It'll all be explained in
Wolverine Origins #600.
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FSogol
grinningdemon
wrote:
Well, the stupid pills explanation covers that one too.
Hand-of-Omega
Wait, so they're actually saying that current Val is *literally*
Future Val, not just the baby retconned into living? So that would
mean that current Val has the same mutant powers...Actually, didn't
she have the exact same powers as her mother? So, she wouldn't be a
"mutant" per se, then would she...
Hm, could it be that Val's intellect isn't because she's a "sport",
but because she actually retained some of her prior awareness? Even
some memories? How freaky would that be...
Dex
grinningdemon
<hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 19, 9:54�am, Scott Eiler <sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 18, 8:53 pm, grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:06:25 -0800 (PST), Scott Eiler
>> > <sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >Actually, I think she was conceived years before, born years after,
>> > >and introduced herself to the FF as a teenage girl in between, due to
>> > >time travel and the Ultimate Nullifier. �Really. �It was mostly
>> > >coincidence that Reed was wearing Doom's armor when he met her.
>>
>> > Well, it depends on how you look at it...Sue was pregnant at one point
>> > with what would have been Val (back in the 80s) and she lost the
>> > baby...the implication when teenaged Val showed up was that she was
>> > the future daughter of Sue and Doom...but then it was revealed that
>> > Doom was actually Reed in the armor...and then Franklin used his
>> > reality warping powers to put devolve Val back to a fetus and put her
>> > back in Mommy (which seems much creepier in retrospect).
>>
>> I found that creepy even at the time. �But on closer examination, I
>> found that *Reed* used the Ultimate Nullifier to nullify Sue's
>> miscarriage. �That was much more comforting. �Meanwhile, Franklin kept
>> himself amused by nullifying the death of Galactus.
>
>Wait, so they're actually saying that current Val is *literally*
>Future Val, not just the baby retconned into living?
That's how the original story went but I don't think it's ever been
mentioned since.
So that would
>mean that current Val has the same mutant powers...Actually, didn't
>she have the exact same powers as her mother? So, she wouldn't be a
>"mutant" per se, then would she...
>
>Hm, could it be that Val's intellect isn't because she's a "sport",
>but because she actually retained some of her prior awareness? Even
>some memories? How freaky would that be...
Future Val seems to have gone the way of Future Franklin (from the old
Fantastic Force book)...I wouldn't expect any call backs to either.