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Joethomann

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Sep 8, 2002, 7:30:56 PM9/8/02
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Is it just me or is Grell's art style just not well suited to drawing
technological machinery like Iron Man's armor? This issue was definitely
interesting, but his artwork really distracted me from the story at times. I
definitely like Grell's art, but it seems to be better suited to Sable than to
Iron Man.

jbodin

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Sep 10, 2002, 2:10:59 PM9/10/02
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joeth...@cs.com (Joethomann) wrote in message news:<20020908193056...@mb-da.news.cs.com>...

I pretty much agree with you for the most part, at least on the armor.
I like Grell's work a lot, and I think his art works well on the
civilians and supporting cast, but his art doesn't seem to mesh with
the new armor. Then again, I think the current armor is WAY too
"busy" -- I'd like to see Grell's take on some of the older armors
(he'd do a killer job on the old classic red-and-gold, I'm sure).

From a storyline standpoint, though, I'm interested in seeing where
Grell takes the series. It could get interesting.

-- JB

Bob Samuel

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Sep 15, 2002, 10:02:47 AM9/15/02
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"jbodin" <jbo...@iquest.net> wrote in message
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I disagree with the comment about Mike Grell's ability to draw the armor.
I thought his drawing was the best I have seen since Sean Chen. In addition
Mike Grell's style reminded me of Gene Colan. The first time I read Iron
Man it was Gene Colan that was the artist. The issue brought me back to
those days. The adventure aspect of the story was exceptional and an aspect
missing from far too many of today's comics. I think the industry has lost
sight of the fact that people are looking to comics to escape their daily
routine and have a mental adventure.


Joethomann

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Sep 15, 2002, 12:32:10 PM9/15/02
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> > Is it just me or is Grell's art style just not well suited to drawing
>> > technological machinery like Iron Man's armor? This issue was definitely
>> > interesting, but his artwork really distracted me from the story at
>times. I
>> > definitely like Grell's art, but it seems to be better suited to Sable
>than to
>> > Iron Man.
>>
>> I pretty much agree with you for the most part, at least on the armor.
>> I like Grell's work a lot, and I think his art works well on the
>> civilians and supporting cast, but his art doesn't seem to mesh with
>> the new armor. Then again, I think the current armor is WAY too
>> "busy" -- I'd like to see Grell's take on some of the older armors
>> (he'd do a killer job on the old classic red-and-gold, I'm sure).
>>
>> From a storyline standpoint, though, I'm interested in seeing where
>> Grell takes the series. It could get interesting.
>>
>> -- JB
>I disagree with the comment about Mike Grell's ability to draw the armor.
>I thought his drawing was the best I have seen since Sean Chen. In addition
>Mike Grell's style reminded me of Gene Colan. The first time I read Iron
>Man it was Gene Colan that was the artist. The issue brought me back to
>those days. The adventure aspect of the story was exceptional and an aspect
>missing from far too many of today's comics. I think the industry has lost
>sight of the fact that people are looking to comics to escape their daily
>routine and have a mental adventure.
>

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? It has even less to do
with the apprpriatenes of Grell's pencil work on this title. Grell's linework
is fine, but for the armor it's too coarse and thick, almost reminds me of
charcoals. To me, technically intricate books like IM need finer lines to
delineate the machines. Chen's work was great. But Grell's is not, and is
nowhere near as good as Chen's.

Windbag1000

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Sep 15, 2002, 12:45:15 PM9/15/02
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> The adventure aspect of the story was exceptional and an aspect
>missing from far too many of today's comics. I think the industry has lost
>sight of the fact that people are looking to comics to escape their daily
>routine and have a mental adventure.

Absolutely, and that is why starting next month, I will not be buying Iron Man
anymore. I'm sick of the way Marvel is embarrassed of things that have been
their bread and butter for forty years. It's not inherently bad to have
adventures about people with superhero secret identities. They have to be
written well, like every other genre of writing, but for Marvel to forsake
their past is insulting to the readers and creators who provided escapist
entertainment through their superheroes for all those years. A recent letters
page response argued that Iron Man saving civilians makes him more a hero than
he's ever been before. Of course, that ignores the fact that while fighting
Radioactive Man or Titanium Man or any other "corny" villain in the past, Iron
Man was saving hundreds of civilian lives at the same. It isn't an either/or
question as to what kind of adventures Tony must have. I'd love(hate) to be in
Joe Q.'s editorial retreat where he announced that all Marvel heroes should
live in the real world (hello, it's fiction) and should not battle costumed
villains (hello, it's a superhero comic book). He'd proceed to explain that
people who are picking up their first comic because of the Spider-man or X-men
movies will be turned off by "cheesy" superhero battles. (hello, the only new
readers those movies might bring in are the under 12s and they are certainly
not going to be impressed with a Iron Man fighting a guy in a tuxedo sitting in
a chair -- as in recent Iron Man issues). It's a disgusting trend done to
satisfy the egos of people who didn't even like comics until they started
deconstructing themselves. And for Joe Q to cite Stan Lee's Marvel U as an
influence for making his Marvel U exist in "the real world" is a joke. Stan
Lee certainly did give his heroes "real world problems" but he wasn't dumb
enough to think that readers were reading his books for that aspect alone!
People enjoyed the fact that Peter Parker had real world problems while
Spider-Man had out of this world problems. In fact, the latter were the "fun"
part of the book for many readers. Try finding that kind of fun in most recent
Marvel books. I have been trying without success for well over a year.

ANIM8Rfsk

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Sep 15, 2002, 2:27:28 PM9/15/02
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<< The first time I read Iron
Man it was Gene Colan that was the artist. The issue brought me back to
those days. >>

Gene Colan's Iron Man art got me to drop the book.

Joethomann

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Sep 15, 2002, 6:39:00 PM9/15/02
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Let's thank god that Grell's tenure as artist on IM will be mercifully short.
Two more issues and we can get a more appropriate artist back on there.

Bob Samuel

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Sep 28, 2002, 9:56:47 AM9/28/02
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"ANIM8Rfsk" <anim...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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Really......I thought the Gene Colan issues were some of the best done.


Rob Hansen

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Sep 29, 2002, 6:54:08 AM9/29/02
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Yeah. The stuff inked by Jack Abel under his Gary Michaels pseudonym
was just gorgeous.
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Rob Hansen
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