Daredevil Villians
BlackJet76
does DD have?
W. Blaine Dowler
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level
> villians does DD have?
The Owl has been around since the beginning, and just made a return in the
comics.
I hope they don't go with Stilt-man, though.
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"W. Blaine Dowler" <fiz...@bureau42.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> BlackJet76 wrote:
>
> > Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level
> > villians does DD have?
>
> The Owl has been around since the beginning, and just made a return in the
> comics.
>
> I hope they don't go with Stilt-man, though.
>
He would be a great way to start the second movie on a light note.
Dopey costumed villain making an ass of himself. :-}
Ralf Haring
>Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level villians
>does DD have?
None.
-Ralf Haring
"The mind must be the harder, the heart the keener,
the spirit the greater, as our strength grows less."
-Byrhtwold, The Battle of Maldon
Jeremy Henderson
>Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level villians
>does DD have?
I was thinking this the other day as well. I believe awhile back many
posters here voted Daredevil's Rogue's Gallery among the lamest in
Marvel comics. Once you use Bullseye and Kingpin, the pickings get
pretty slim. Unless you want to go the Batman camp route, I don't
think people are going to flock to theaters to see the likes of Owl,
Stilt-Man and Leapfrog.
SK
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level villians
> does DD have?
Daredevil got one of the weakest rogue gallery in comicdom, and I
wonder why Marvel can't get anyone like Geoff Johns to update DD's
list of bad guys. For the sequel, I think they should keep
Kingpin, and add Typhoid Mary as Daredevil's new love
interest/enemy. But I hope they can focus more on character
development in the sequel, though.
3YE
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level villians
> does DD have?
STILT MAN!!!!!!!!!!
3YE
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Anti-War...
villians
> does DD have?
I can only see Vaginalia.
It's a villain that has been there since the comics start, her powers are
very obscure, she's obcessed about Daredevil, i highly doubt she'll ever be
used in a film though, because the story was too much strong and powerful,
her obcession for Daredevil is sick and twisted, and relies on that small
stick he uses to launch the grapling hook and hit the ocasional enemy.
I confess i never was a big fan of her, but many are.
Search www.google.com for "Vaginalia+Trade+Paper+Back" (no "") it collects
one of Frank Miller's best runs.
Thomas Zeitner
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>> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level
>villians
>> does DD have?
>
The Hand?
jay
Certainly stands tall above most of the others,
doesn't he?
Stéphan Manso
great character. It could lead to a great love and hate story.
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K. W. Bruce
>> >villians
>> >> does DD have?
>> >
>>
>> The Hand?
his repentence later on when he helps DD out against the Owl...
Sean Walsh
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level villians
> does DD have?
Other than Kingpin and Bullseye, I'm pretty sure Daredevil has the
honor of having very few villains that won't make one laugh
hysterically.
--
Sean
Anthony Abby
BlackJet76 said:
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level
> villians does DD have?
Daredevil doesn't have who I'd call 'A' level villains, since he isn't
inherently 'super-heroish'. But he has had some interesting villains
over the years. The Hand and the Kingpin are probably the most ruthless
and most interesting villains he's had, followed closely by Bullseye.
Other than that you drop down to the Owl, stilt-man, Bushwacker,
Death-Stalker, Mr. Fear, Mandrill, Mr Hyde, the Jester, Manbull, Purple
Man (snicker), shotgun.......
No one overly worrisome. But then again, Daredevil has never been about
fighting super-powered villains per se. I'd love to see a new series of
super-hand assassins go after him though. That'd be interesting.
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Zimmy
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A
> level villians does DD have?
I never followed Daredevil but I was flipping through the Kevin Smith DD
book and he does battle with Mysterio (The guy with the fish bowl on his
head).
With his special effects powers, he would make a good movie villian.
I know it is really Spidey's foe but both crossing over so much, it could
work.
Zimmy
LexStupida
don't have much. Bullet? Bushwhacker? AMMO???
I don't think The Owl would do much for a movie. A mutant who glides
but has to use leg braces to walk might go along with Daredevil's
handicapped theme, but I don't think it woul play well with audiences.
Typhoid is probably your best bet.
Kevin J. Maroney
>I never followed Daredevil but I was flipping through the Kevin Smith DD
>book and he does battle with Mysterio (The guy with the fish bowl on his
>head).
>With his special effects powers, he would make a good movie villian.
>I know it is really Spidey's foe but both crossing over so much, it could
>work.
Of course, the Kingpin was originally a Spider-villain as well.
And there's no reason to believe that the Kingpin won't be the motive
force of the (now apparently likely) second movie. Anyone who believes
that an organized crime boss stops being an organized crime boss just
because he's been sent to prison doesn't know much about organized
crime.
Other villains... huh. As noted, DD doesn't have that many memorable
ones--The Hand, Typhoid Mary, The Purple Man, the Jester (a Joker
knock-off), the Owl. The Punisher makes a good foil to DD, but I'm
sure that the producers of the DD films wouldn't want to pay for a
separate license. Kraven the Hunter would actually make more sense as
a DD villain than a Spidey villain.
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BlackJet76 wrote:
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level villians
> does DD have?
Nekra & the Mandrill.
Ciao,
Terrafamilia
Michael Pillsbury
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level villians
> does DD have?
Oh, wow. Twenty or so responses to this thread and no one has yet
mentioned my favorite: Angar the Screamer.
There's also the Matador, the Masked Marauder, Starr Saxon, the
Plunderer, the Unholy Three (aka the Ani-Men)...
Michael
3YE
I second the motion of using Mysterio. HAIL FISH BOWL!!
3YE
Zimmy
On the other hand, isn't his main power to create optical illusions? That
kind of defeats the purpose for DareDevil.
Jim Longo
> does DD have?
As Uber-Bad Guys, in descending order of preference:
Death-Stalker (remember him?)
Mister Fear
Typhoid Mary
Owl
As Minions First Class:
Gladiator
Typhoid Mary (she really could be either)
Ammo
The Ani-Men
j.
Peter Meilinger
>Other than Kingpin and Bullseye, I'm pretty sure Daredevil has the
>honor of having very few villains that won't make one laugh
>hysterically.
Yep. And they had to bus in the Kingpin from the Spidey comics.
It's sad, really.
I'd love to see the Gladiator in the next movie, with a maybe
slightly updated costume. But since what I've always liked
most about the Gladiator is the fact that he's reformed now,
I'm not sure how well they could use him in a hour and a
half movie.
Other than Gladiator, I agree with the guy who wants Stilt-Man
to make a comic relief appearance. That'd be worth the price
of admission right there.
Pete
Josh Dull
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level
villians
> does DD have?
Stilt-Man?
Josh
Josh Dull
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level
villians
> does DD have?
The Hand.
Everybody loves ninjas.
Josh
Josh Dull
> Maybe we'll get to see Gladiator to start off,
Played by Russell Crowe, natch.
>and they can take advantage of
> his repentence later on when he helps DD out against the Owl...
Played by Danny DeVito!
Or the insidious Matador, played by Antonio Banderas!
Josh
The Napoleon of Crime
> Daredevil doesn't have who I'd call 'A' level villains, since he isn't
> inherently 'super-heroish'. But he has had some interesting villains
> over the years.
Particularly, he had some villains that, while two-bit, looked great
when being drawn by Gene Colan in the late 60s. (Colan actually made
the Stilt-Man look cool -- sort of like Iron Man, but, well... on
stilts. (All *right*, Stilt-Man sucks.))
> Purple
> Man (snicker)
Though I remember someone (maybe Roger MacKenzie, back when Miller was
only doing the artwork for DD) using the Purple Man creditably --
showing the power of someone really nasty who could control minds.
Besides -- Stilt-Man's out of it. He's left his armor in Murdock's
office, when he tipped him off about the Owl. (If it wasn't Bendis
writing, I'd worry that Foggy was going to don the Stilt-Man suit for
comic relief.)
"The line between actually very serious and
actually very funny is actually very thin."
-- John Le Carre
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Magius
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Possibly, but if they adapt Kevin Smith's first storyarc it would work.
Basically Mysterio used a combination of hallucinogenic drugs and various
mechanical devices to confuse and disorient DD. By the way doesn't the
scene where DD is imprisoned in a white room with a white noise generator
imply that Mysterio knew about DD's heightened senses?
Lynley
JTS
> does DD have?
My Favorites:
Purple man
Gladiator
NightStalker
Brian Doyle
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> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level
villians
> does DD have?
Mr Hyde? Fear Monger? Typhoid Mary?
John P.
their reason for being DDs enemy lies squarely
on Stick and co., who got no mention in the first movie.
If they had referenced anybody training DD
in his early career other than himself then they
could have brought in Stick/The Hand/the ressurection
bit in another movie no problems. But they seem to have left themselves
with a fair bit of work if they want to go back
to the origin of DDs abilities. ("Oh look, another DD
movie, I wonder what his orgins are this time?)
On a unrelated note was anybody else disturbed that they
seemed to be trying to imply that DD was just starting
his superhero career in the movie? And if this is the case
where did all those scars come from? But yet this movie
appeared to be about DDs development from a vigilante to
an extension of justice (deciding that he won't kill) which
IMO was always a part of DD implying again that this is
early career DD.
Confused,
-JTP
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Peter Meilinger
>My problem with using the Hand as villans is that
>their reason for being DDs enemy lies squarely
>on Stick and co., who got no mention in the first movie.
>If they had referenced anybody training DD
>in his early career other than himself then they
>could have brought in Stick/The Hand/the ressurection
>bit in another movie no problems. But they seem to have left themselves
>with a fair bit of work if they want to go back
>to the origin of DDs abilities. ("Oh look, another DD
>movie, I wonder what his orgins are this time?)
Isn't that how it happened in the comics, though? I thought
the Stick/Hand connections came up years after DD's comic
started.
>On a unrelated note was anybody else disturbed that they
>seemed to be trying to imply that DD was just starting
>his superhero career in the movie? And if this is the case
>where did all those scars come from? But yet this movie
>appeared to be about DDs development from a vigilante to
>an extension of justice (deciding that he won't kill) which
>IMO was always a part of DD implying again that this is
>early career DD.
I think he'd been at it for awhile as a killer vigilante.
The movie showed his evolution from vigilante to hero.
Pete
Josh Dull
> If they had referenced anybody training DD
> in his early career other than himself then they
> could have brought in Stick/The Hand/the ressurection
> bit in another movie no problems. But they seem to have left themselves
> with a fair bit of work if they want to go back
> to the origin of DDs abilities. ("Oh look, another DD
> movie, I wonder what his orgins are this time?)
Their's a HUG gap from the time Jack Murdock dies to Matt in court.
Matt could have trained with Stick in that time.
> On a unrelated note was anybody else disturbed that they
> seemed to be trying to imply that DD was just starting
> his superhero career in the movie? And if this is the case
> where did all those scars come from? But yet this movie
> appeared to be about DDs development from a vigilante to
> an extension of justice (deciding that he won't kill) which
> IMO was always a part of DD implying again that this is
> early career DD.
>
> Confused,
> -JTP
It's not Matt beginning his career as DD. He's been in the role for some
years now.
Josh
John P.
"Peter Meilinger" <mell...@bu.edu> wrote in message news:b333l6$p1t$2...@news3.bu.edu...
> Isn't that how it happened in the comics, though? I thought
> the Stick/Hand connections came up years after DD's comic
> started.
True enough, but the movie made the implication that DD's skills
came from his own efforts, without outside help. Where as the comics
left the issue undiscovered as I recall.
If you've got a comic history that you're going to use and have
the advantage of hindsight that the early comic writers did not, then why
not make a vauge reference to it now and set up the story for later?
> >On a unrelated note was anybody else disturbed that they
> >seemed to be trying to imply that DD was just starting
> >his superhero career in the movie? And if this is the case
> >where did all those scars come from? But yet this movie
> >appeared to be about DDs development from a vigilante to
> >an extension of justice (deciding that he won't kill) which
> >IMO was always a part of DD implying again that this is
> >early career DD.
>
> I think he'd been at it for awhile as a killer vigilante.
> The movie showed his evolution from vigilante to hero.
I'm not sure that DD was ever a vigilante in the comics (could
be wrong here though) it is too far from his personality. What
would motivate a lawyer to commit murder? Don't think he would
give much weight to the "by any means necessary bit".
He's slipped from time to time, in certain situations, but by far has
stuck to his ideals for most of the time. So it's (the evolution's) inclusion
in the movie suggests strongly to me that DD has not been active for awhile,
as this would occur very early in his career, if at all.
DD liked to use his reputation as the Man Without Fear to his
advantage and was never really shy about being seen. Therefore if his
existance is being doubted due to a low public profile in the press
I have to further disagree with the "been at it for a while". Part of his shtick was
that criminals knew that Hell's Kitchen was DD's turf. Definitely not low
profile.
-JTP
Michael Alan Chary
Kevin J. Maroney <k...@panix.com> wrote:
>separate license. Kraven the Hunter would actually make more sense as
>a DD villain than a Spidey villain.
How so? JJJ wouldn't hire him to go after DD.
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> I second the motion of using Mysterio. HAIL FISH BOWL!!
I'd love to see Mysterio but it's tricky doing a villain whose face you
can't see. The Green Goblin didn't look quite right because of that. I
guess they could make the green blur into more of a defined face, though.
Mathew Krull
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>>I second the motion of using Mysterio. HAIL FISH BOWL!!
>>
>>
>
>I'd love to see Mysterio but it's tricky doing a villain whose face you
>can't see.
>
It worked for Darth Vader.
> The Green Goblin didn't look quite right because of that. I
>guess they could make the green blur into more of a defined face, though.
>
>
>
>
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Yeppers, they should be there.
How many times has he fought the Hulk? I've got two, but AFAIK that
could be all of them.
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Gosheven
>seemed to be trying to imply that DD was just starting
>his superhero career in the movie? And if this is the case
>where did all those scars come from? But yet this movie
>appeared to be about DDs development from a vigilante to
>an extension of justice (deciding that he won't kill) which
>IMO was always a part of DD implying again that this is
>early career DD.
>
Well Foggy mentioned that DD had been around for a number of years.
-Gosheven
Carmen Williams
Mysterio paid the Kingpin a million dollars to tell him everything
Kingpin knew about Daredevil. So yeah, I'd figure.
Carmen W.
Brendan Carson
> does DD have?
Depends. I haven't seen the movie yet because it has yet to make it
here (so I can't read half the posts here at the moment). If anyone
wants to discuss it on this thread, please say "spoilers". Ta.
I think both Typhoid Mary and the Owl could be great villains. In the
end, it's not about what powers they have, it's how they can and do
hurt DD and others, and the feelings they evoke in the viewers.
That's why the Joker is the best comics villain of all time, and also
why the Kingpin and Bullseye are so good. The Owl and Typhoid could
be done so they really creep you out, so their motives are explicable,
so you even feel sympathy for them...they could be great. Or they
could be done so they suck.
I felt sympathy for Magneto in the movies more than I did in the
comics, movie Magneto was a great villain. The movie Green Goblin, on
the other hand, I thought was a disappointment, but he had a very hard
act to follow.
So, in order: Typhoid and the Owl, down through the Masked Marauder
and the Beetle and the Purple Man (read DD yellow) to the Jester.
But what would really be interesting would be making his enemies those
he cares aabout. Think of the comics example - Karen selling his
identity, the recent Echo storyline and the whole Elektra thing.
BDC
ERN
enough to have his own film, same as Elektra. In my opinion, they attempted
too much with this movie because they panicked at how well Spider Man and
Xmen did and didn't want to be overshadowed. The acrobatic sequences should
have been spread out more, because they were well-done and a few more fights
with elektra and bullseye, not one where they almost all die, too quickly,
that sucked. All battles with Bullseye and Daredevil were drawn out, same
as between Daredevil and Elektra. Now who is left for daredevil to fight???
STILT MAN ?!?! LOL, he is the inspector gadget with a fishbowl on his head
and blue-silver paint allover. They tried to do too much...
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The Thirteenth
that Bullseye is very much alive in a full body cast and still has his
abilities.
13th.
Ralf Haring
wrote:
>
>It was stupid to kill Bullseye and maim the Kingpin.
So I take it you didn't stay to see the scene that was spliced in with
the credits?
-Ralf Haring
"The mind must be the harder, the heart the keener,
the spirit the greater, as our strength grows less."
-Byrhtwold, The Battle of Maldon
Cyrus
It does? That would be a interesting (altough simple) plot: The only
guy who can beat Mysterio is the one who can't see his illusions.
So, take Mysterio as "main" villain. Take the Gladiator as the bad guy
that gets good as a nice subplot. And then you add the Stilt-Man
or/and Leapfrog as comic relief. Enough for the next movie.
I think these villains would work quite well on screen _if done
right_, better than the Green Goblin even.
Carmen Williams
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> It was stupid to kill Bullseye and maim the Kingpin.
Ah, but they didn't. At least, I don't *think* they maimed the
Kingpin, although I admit I really wasn't clear on what Matt did to
him. Must go back and watch it again. ;) Even if he is, though, the
Kingpin's value is as much his brains as his brawn; he could be in a
wheelchair and still be dangerous. But Bullseye's *definitely* not
dead; there's a scene after the credits have started rolling where
he's at a hospital, totally covered in bandages, apparently
immobilized...and then he kills a fly with a piece of medical
equipment. Great scene. :)
Carmen W.
Brendan Carson
"ERN" <hulk...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<-OKcnSsTAdt...@comcast.com>...
> It was stupid to kill Bullseye and maim the Kingpin.
I don't fucking believe it!!!! Are you some kind of oxygen starved
moron???? WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME???
Why have you READ my post asking for spoilers to be added, THEN
DIVULGED BITS OF THE MOVIE that I have been trying to avoid reading
about for the last two weeks and THEN QUOTED ME UNDERNEATH asking
futilely for spoilers? How hard would it have been???? I have been
looking forward to this movie for close on two years!!!!!!
BDC
ERN
You are a retard. If you don't wanna hear bout the movie, don't read posts
about the movie. If you want to read posts about the movie, and start to
see stuff that you don't want to spoil the movie for you, than lift your
dumb ass eyes and head from the computer and don't read it any further. I'm
not holding your head in front of the computer and forcing you to read every
word, every line, show some self control. The choice to read was solely
your own, grow up.
Carmen Williams
> Dude,
>
> You are a retard. If you don't wanna hear bout the movie, don't read posts
> about the movie. If you want to read posts about the movie, and start to
> see stuff that you don't want to spoil the movie for you, than lift your
> dumb ass eyes and head from the computer and don't read it any further. I'm
> not holding your head in front of the computer and forcing you to read every
> word, every line, show some self control. The choice to read was solely
> your own, grow up.
Look up at thread title. Note that it is not about the movie. Note
that the *post you quoted* asked that spoilers be added if the movie
be discussed in this thread (presumably because the writer wanted to
take part in the actual discussion of the thread, namely whether
Daredevil has any good villains). Note that your *very first line*
spoiled the movie, so it's not as if he could have realized it and
backed out.
Conclusion: he's right, you're wrong.
Carmen W.
ERN
interested and skimmed to a later reply to the initial post. My sincere
apologies for my initial blunder and subsequent transgression in which I
"fired back" in erroneous self-defense. It was not my intention to spoil
the movie for you. ; )
ErN
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Brendan Carson
> OOOPs! My bad, I concede, but it was an honest mistake...
No traum. You should see a list of the numerous ways I've stuffed up
on these lists.
BDC
Vernin Hardapples
> Kingpin and Bullseye were used up in the first one. What other A level villians
> does DD have?
Hmmm,
how about that chick with the sex change, called Sir? I think she/he
made an appearence somewhere near the end of the Fall from Grace era
where Matt was finally beginning to except who he was again. It
would be quite dramatic to see Matt stripped of his costume in the
film and then done his old yellow and red one when he finally takes
Sir down. I dunno.. thats the best I could come up with, since 90%
of DD's villains would either require way too much explaining for a 90
min movie (i.e the Hand) or it's just common street thugs hes
battling.
Cheers.
Gosheven
>villians
>> does DD have?
>
>Hmmm,
>
>how about that chick with the sex change, called Sir? I think she/he
>made an appearence somewhere near the end of the Fall from Grace era
>where Matt was finally beginning to except who he was again. It
>would be quite dramatic to see Matt stripped of his costume in the
>film and then done his old yellow and red one when he finally takes
>Sir down. I dunno.. thats the best I could come up with, since 90%
>of DD's villains would either require way too much explaining for a 90
>min movie (i.e the Hand) or it's just common street thugs hes
>battling.
>
Or worse, the Stilt-Man.
>Cheers.
No, let us not cheer this predicament. Let us begin a crusade! A crusade to
right the wrongs of the comics industry! Let us begin a crusade to Get DD Some
Really Cool Villians.
*paid for by the Greater Fanboy Society, Inc.
-Gosheven
Josh Dull
Seems either Typhoid Mary or the Owl will be in the movie.
Josh
John C. Baker
"ERN" <hulk...@comcast.net> wrote:
> It was stupid to kill Bullseye and maim the Kingpin.
Minor spoiler
Didn't sit till the end of the movie did you? Bullseye's not dead.
There's a scene with him in the operating room that rolls under the
credits, where a bandaged Bullseye flicks a syringe at a fly that was
bugging him (no pun intended).
Sean Walsh
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Even if one didn't stay 'til the end of the movie, you -could- tell he
wasn't dead after he hit the car. He was quivering a bit as the guy inside
was looking out, and as the cops ran up to the car; it's probably isn't that
noticable, but I happened to catch it.
--
Sean