What's the most under-rated marvel title?
Brad Douglas
What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or past history?
I would have to say that one of my favorites was a title called Nomad by
Fabian Nicieza. This was a real quirky title that was kinda like the
fugative, only with the Fugative carrying around his newborn baby. I really
liked the title and it last only 25 issues.
So what's your title of choice? I've also started this discussion on my
message board on my web site. So feel free to continue it over there also.
Brad Douglas
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Brad Douglas wrote:
>
> Gang,
>
> What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or past history?
> I would have to say that one of my favorites was a title called Nomad by
> Fabian Nicieza. This was a real quirky title that was kinda like the
> fugative, only with the Fugative carrying around his newborn baby. I really
> liked the title and it last only 25 issues.
> So what's your title of choice? I've also started this discussion on my
> message board on my web site. So feel free to continue it over there also.
Strikeforce Morituri with out a doubt.
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My local stores stopped carrying the issue after #9 or so. So I
missed the last few issues...
Not asking what they were, as I'm going to try and get them this
summer. Just some early-morning venting... :P
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> Strikeforce Morituri with out a doubt.
I recently purchased (including the prestige issues) and read this series
straight through. I was really sorry when I got to the end. It was getting
quite
good, and I wanted more!
Dave
Dave Rose
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Brian
I loved that series, and was really upset when Marvel cancelled it mid-story. I had to wait two years for any sort of closer (in Marvel Two-in-One #s 35 and 36). Still, I must have re-read those eight issues (10 including the M:TIO issues) ten times when I was a kid.
Dave
Monkeylad
abruptly too. That book was consistently one of my favorites month in month
out.
>Brad Douglas
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firmly entrenched in the MU. God how I've missed Comet Man. I just pray that
this is the Comet Man PAD is bringing back in todays Captain Marvel (and let
Max tag along too...insane aliens are fun!)
>>Gang,
>>
>>What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or past history?
>>I would have to say that one of my favorites was a title called Nomad by
>>Fabian Nicieza. This was a real quirky title that was kinda like the
>>fugative, only with the Fugative carrying around his newborn baby. I really
>>liked the title and it last only 25 issues.
>>So what's your title of choice? I've also started this discussion on my
>>message board on my web site. So feel free to continue it over there also.
>>
>>Brad Douglas
>>Spider-Man Crawl Space
>>http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com
>
>
>
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"Brad Douglas" <petr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Gang,
>
> What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or past history?
> I would have to say that one of my favorites was a title called Nomad by
> Fabian Nicieza. This was a real quirky title that was kinda like the
> fugative, only with the Fugative carrying around his newborn baby. I
really
> liked the title and it last only 25 issues.
> So what's your title of choice? I've also started this discussion on my
> message board on my web site. So feel free to continue it over there also.
>
> Brad Douglas
> Spider-Man Crawl Space
> http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com
Matt Terl
Brad Douglas wrote in message ...
>What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or past history?
Gotta be Skrull Kill Krew -- loved seeing Morrisson and Millar's skewed spin
on Marvel, and the basic concept was just brilliant. This was one that I
would happily still be buying. And it's making me really look forward to
Marvel Boy.
-Matt.
Dazz Knowles
rather good.
There was also a four-issue mini called Nocturne. It was set in London and
the hero was an ordinary athletic guy who had insomnia so he would go
super-heroing a night to try and tire himself out enough to sleep. I know it
sounds a bit weird, but it was written and drawn really well, However, I've
never heard of the character since.
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> Gang,
>
> What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or past history?
Dinobot
We were heros before we were for hire-Iron Fist,
Heros for Hire #19(volume 2)
Paul O'Brien
the Austin/Vosberg Cloak & Dagger stories.
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O'Brien <pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Probably not a popular choice, but I've always had a soft spot
for
>the Austin/Vosberg Cloak & Dagger stories.
I dunno...I've never read those stories or series, but from the
rumblings I've heard around here over the years, I seem to
recall an overall positive view toward them...
Jester
Avengers. Seems weird, but in reflection...they always had something
interesting going on (bizarre sometimes, but interesting).
RJDiogenes
>
There's been a few over the years, but most recently: Fantastic Five.
phrenicist
<pet...@adlink.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>Brad Douglas wrote:
>>
>> Gang,
>>
>> What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or
past history?
>
>
teriffic for an ongoing monthly, but Peter Gillis'
characterizations have never been better, and there's some early
efforts from the Brent Anderson studio partners like Whilce
Portacio and Scott Williams.
Matthew
KRothst402
peterm
Peter
crash
captures the spirit that the classic Spiderman stories had. I also echo
those who voted for Fantastic Five.
I'm not sure how under-rated (or unknown) this tile is, but I just finished
reading Classic X-Men 1-42 and I loved the John Bolton stories in the back
of the first thirty or so issues. The main reprint stories also each had
two/three new pages that helped
tighten the overall continuity and add little bits of foreshadowing.
>Paul O'Brien wrote in message ...
Peter Likidis
phrenicist wrote:
>
> In article <392B68A8...@adlink.com.au>, Peter Likidis
> <pet...@adlink.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Brad Douglas wrote:
> >>
> >> Gang,
> >>
> >> What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or
> past history?
> >Strikeforce Morituri with out a doubt.
> >
> >
> This is definitely on the list. Not only was the basic concept
> teriffic for an ongoing monthly, but Peter Gillis'
> characterizations have never been better, and there's some early
> efforts from the Brent Anderson studio partners like Whilce
> Portacio and Scott Williams.
And Bags
RJDiogenes
>War Is Hell. Bizarre and years before Vertigo.
>
Good one. Probably served as the inspiration for 'Quantum Leap' as well.
Cypher
and Shan left). Many people see Liefeld as the downfall of this book, but
Louise Simonson completely destroyed it. She took the best team ever and
ripped it to shreads.
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best writer Marvel has, Fabian Nicieza, teamed with what has the be one
of the most complex and interesting characters ever created at Marvel.
At it's best the book is like reading a good sci-fi novel, and even
when it falters it's still better than most superhero comics.
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RJDiogenes
>New Mutants, without a doubt. Specifically, issues #1-54 (when Claremont
>and Shan left). Many people see Liefeld as the downfall of this book, but
>Louise Simonson completely destroyed it. She took the best team ever and
>ripped it to shreads.
>
ruined it. It began as a very low-key "kids away at private school" thing that
was a very agreeable contrast to other, more high-powered books. Bob McLeod was
a very good artist with a gift for distinctive faces, and he maintained that
consistent looks even when he went from penciling to inking Sal Buscema. Then
Sinkewiecz came on board with his big blobs of spilled ink that we were
supposed to buy as abstract art, and Claremont entered his
child-torture-as-character-developement phase and all was lost.
StAkAr Karnak
> What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or past
history?
Fabian Nicieza's CAPTAIN MARVEL (the 'real' Genny in my book), FANTASTIC
FIVE, and AMAZING ADVENTURES #18-39 (starring Killraven) come to mind.
I also liked the SF anthology WORLDS UNKNOWN, although to date I have
only read the first issue.
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I never understood why Sinkewiecz was supposed to be popular at this point.
New Mutants was one of my favorites titles also, but after Sinkewiecz came
on board I continued to buy new issues but literally couldn't read them. I
loved his Neal Adams style/swipes on Moon Knight and was baffled by his
artistic "progress".
Alan Travis
Marvel Universe
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Thor - DeFalco / Frenz (especially that Thor vs. Celestials story)
Alan
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"Brad Douglas" <petr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gang,
>
> What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or past
history?
>
Recently:
I have to agree Fantastic Five was pretty good - I can't believe it only
lasted 5 issues - surely that's not long enough to build up a readership
base?
In the past:
I don't know if either of these was under-rated or not, but - the first
25 or so issues of Doom 2099 - the ones written by John Francis Moore -
I thought were brilliant - he was really building up a new mythos -
innovative and imaginative - and Broderick captured that same spirit in
his artwork - his "new look" Doom was really spectacular and totally
suited that future setting.
The DeFalco/Frenz run on Thor - it got me interested in this title.
Really good and really interesting. I thought he would have made a much
better writer for the FF than he did.
RJDiogenes
>New Mutants was one of my favorites titles also, but after Sinkewiecz came
>on board I continued to buy new issues but literally couldn't read them. I
>loved his Neal Adams style/swipes on Moon Knight and was baffled by his
>artistic "progress".
>
>
Incidentally, if you remember the newszine Amazing Heroes (I think it was the
one with the Frank Miller Wolverine cover) there was an interview with Bill
Sinkiewicz wherein he mentioned that somebody hated his New Mutants work so
much that this reader mailed the first Sinkiewicz issue back to Marvel and
asked that it be deducted from the sales figures. I wish he had mentioned the
reader's name, because it was me. :) By the way, Bill, the name's Rick
Hutchins. I did it.
Cypher
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> Incidentally, if you remember the newszine Amazing Heroes (I think it was
the
> one with the Frank Miller Wolverine cover) there was an interview with
Bill
> Sinkiewicz wherein he mentioned that somebody hated his New Mutants work
so
> much that this reader mailed the first Sinkiewicz issue back to Marvel and
> asked that it be deducted from the sales figures. I wish he had mentioned
the
> reader's name, because it was me. :) By the way, Bill, the name's Rick
> Hutchins. I did it.
Well, I didn't like his "abstract" art either at first, but it grew on me
(some would say like a fungus). It really wasn't that bad, and the stories
were still good. Whether you liked Bill S. or not, at least he wasn't (ugh)
Bird-Brain.
--Cypher
Ghost Rider Fan
>history?
>>
Ivan Velez's run on Ghost Rider. (issues 70-93) with the exception of the Pop
Mhan issues. those aren't worth using to house train a dog.
story actually went places, other than Howard Mackies stale "hang out at the
cemetary and beat up supernatural foes all day" forula the book had fallen into
since around issue 28. new characters were introduced, an interesting origin
was given, etc. it was a grand storyline that put me in mind of the classic
johnny blaze stories from the later days of the earlier series. It was exciting
to read each month and something to look forward to, whereas the later Mackies
were just something I bought because I loved the character. Ivan is an awesome
writer. He was taking the Ghost Rider places, if only he could have
continued... or at least had his final story printed..Ive read the plot and its
a fitting end...err..pause :)
then that Peter Parker story Mackie wrote came out.. :(
oh well...
___________________________________
(why did Howard Mackie ruin the Ghost Rider??)
..BRING BACK THE GHOST RIDER!!!!
rob beattie
I did not generally enjoy deFalco's run on Thor but you are right
about Thor v Celestials- that was a fantastic 3 parter.
RJDiogenes
>Well, I didn't like his "abstract" art either at first, but it grew on me
>(some would say like a fungus). It really wasn't that bad, and the stories
>were still good. Whether you liked Bill S. or not, at least he wasn't (ugh)
>Bird-Brain.
>
>--Cypher
>
>
Mutants. Ditto for the FF, which he drew for a couple issues. His Neal Adams
riff was good on Moon Knight and his abstract stuff would work on, say, a
Vertigo title.
But, uh...who's Bird Brain?
mattila
crash wrote in message ...
>>I agree that this started out as a great book, but it was Sinkewiecz that
>>ruined it. It began as a very low-key "kids away at private school" thing
>that
>>was a very agreeable contrast to other, more high-powered books. Bob
McLeod
>was
>>a very good artist with a gift for distinctive faces, and he maintained
>that
>>consistent looks even when he went from penciling to inking Sal Buscema.
>Then
>>Sinkewiecz came on board with his big blobs of spilled ink that we were
>>supposed to buy as abstract art, and Claremont entered his
>>child-torture-as-character-developement phase and all was lost.
>
>I never understood why Sinkewiecz was supposed to be popular at this point.
>New Mutants was one of my favorites titles also, but after Sinkewiecz came
>on board I continued to buy new issues but literally couldn't read them. I
>loved his Neal Adams style/swipes on Moon Knight and was baffled by his
>artistic "progress".
I disagree completely. Sienkiewicz's stuff was absolute top notch. I can't
imagine another artist doing a better job for either the demon bear arc or
the Legion arc. His abstract style suited those storylines to a 't'.
Bill's work takes some getting used to, but personally I find his work far
better than Miller's or Windsor Smith's (just to name a couple of other
non-conformist types from the same period). Re-read the demon bear arc if
you still have it and try to picture another artist instead - it just
wouldn't have the same creepiness to it. But I guess YMMV.
Mattila
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Alan Travis
> On Sun, 28 May 2000 08:12:27 GMT, Alan Travis
> <alnt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Underrated Marvel books?
> >
> >Marvel Universe
> >Heroes for Hire
> >Thor - DeFalco / Frenz (especially that Thor vs. Celestials story)
>
> I did not generally enjoy deFalco's run on Thor but you are right
> about Thor v Celestials- that was a fantastic 3 parter.
What about that Black Galaxy Saga? I seem to remember liking that alot.
Alan
RJDiogenes
>I disagree completely. Sienkiewicz's stuff was absolute top notch. I can't
>imagine another artist doing a better job for either the demon bear arc or
>the Legion arc. His abstract style suited those storylines to a 't'.
>
>Bill's work takes some getting used to, but personally I find his work far
>better than Miller's or Windsor Smith's (just to name a couple of other
>non-conformist types from the same period). Re-read the demon bear arc if
>you still have it and try to picture another artist instead - it just
>wouldn't have the same creepiness to it. But I guess YMMV.
>
>Mattila
>
>
>
for the book, at least as far as what appealed to me about the book. I love
Miller and Windsor-Smith, but I wouldn't want to see them on New Mutants.
Scott Eiler
>
> >> What in your opinion is the most under-rated in current or past
> >history?
> >>
>
> Ivan Velez's run on Ghost Rider. (issues 70-93) with the exception of the Pop
> Mhan issues. those aren't worth using to house train a dog.
What a coincidence. I was just thinking of Ghost Rider... Roger Stern's
run, original series.
> story actually went places, other than Howard Mackies stale "hang out at the
> cemetary and beat up supernatural foes all day" forula the book had fallen into
> since around issue 28.
What Stern did was, treat the character like a mystic force of vengeance
which could barely be restrained by a human. If you like the Spectre
series of the 1990s (DC), you should enjoy this run of Ghost Rider.
> (why did Howard Mackie ruin the Ghost Rider??)
> ..BRING BACK THE GHOST RIDER!!!!
Just so someone can ruin him again? B{D>
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>
> >Bill's work takes some getting used to, but personally I find his work far
> >better than Miller's or Windsor Smith's (just to name a couple of other
> >non-conformist types from the same period). Re-read the demon bear arc if
> >you still have it and try to picture another artist instead - it just
> >wouldn't have the same creepiness to it. But I guess YMMV.
> >
> for the book, at least as far as what appealed to me about the book. I love
> Miller and Windsor-Smith, but I wouldn't want to see them on New Mutants.
I think that was intentional, all part of the "Don't Call Them X-Babies"
approach.
To this day, the New Mutants storyline I remember best is the Demon
Bear. I can't say I'd ever hire Bill Sienkiewicz for one of my own
comic books, but he certainly got the job done for that one.
Cypher
Believe me, you don't want to know. I'm gonna tell you anyway though, so
feel free to ignore the rest of this post if you have low tolerance for
crap.
Bird-Brain was a half-bird/half-man atrocity who joined the New Mutants, led
them back to his island to help his brothers, and led to the horrible death
of Cypher (which also effectively killed the book). If Louise Simonson
actually read the earlier issues, she would've known that Sunspot was the
character who was supposed to die. How many times did we see "Sam's
invulnerable when he's blasting, but you're not, Bobby." His recklessness
and arrogance was supposed to get him killed. Instead, the smartest yet
weakest (power-wise) of the team is killed -- that sets a good precedent.
Besides, why didn't Magneto make Doug learn martial arts like Dani?
Claremont actually shares the blame for that one.
--Cypher
Robert T. Reinke
clarity of McLeod's work. The radical change in art and mood rankled me, though I
stuck to it and read them all. Not an under-rated title, IMO.
Captain Marvel's first series is my choice for under-rated Marvel title.
Rob Reinke
RJDiogenes
>Bird-Brain was a half-bird/half-man atrocity who joined the New Mutants, led
>them back to his island to help his brothers, and led to the horrible death
>of Cypher
Okayyy...I'm glad I quit when I did.
John Simons
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> My answer to the subject header question: CLANDESTINE, by Alan Davis
I second that. Great series.
GBrycki
>I don't know if either of these was under-rated or not, but - the first
>25 or so issues of Doom 2099 - the ones written by John Francis Moore -
>I thought were brilliant - he was really building up a new mythos -
>innovative and imaginative - and Broderick captured that same spirit in
>his artwork - his "new look" Doom was really spectacular and totally
>suited that future setting.
Glad to know someone else has fond memmories of that book! I loved it. Wish
they'd bring it back.
Ditto FF 2099. It really started to get interesting when ish # 3 hit.
BRY