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Rob Hansen

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Having bought the DR STRANGE and ANT-MAN Essential volumes last week
(I didn't buy HOWARD THE DUCK as I already own the originals), I've
been slowly working my way through them, taking my time and savouring
them. Where ANT-MAN was goofy fun, DR STRANGE is a genuine classic,
and quite possibly Steve Ditko's masterpiece. His SPIDER-MAN is
wonderful (and still by far and away my favourite all-time Spidey
sequence) but this work is on a whole other level above that. And what
a revelation to finally see these stories in black and white! They
actually work *better* stripped of those four-colour dots, almost as
if Ditko intended them to be viewed this way. I read many of these
stories when they originally appeared, and some not since then, and I
don't think age has diminished them. I'll be taking my time with this
volume and can't recommend it enough to anyone who looks for quality
in their comics.

(one minor puzzlement. The third story "The Return of the Omnipotent
Baron Mordo" was quite obviously inked by George Bell/Roussos - his
inking style is utterly unmistakeable - yet he isn't credited here.
Anyone know why?)
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Dave Doty

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Rob Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Where ANT-MAN was goofy fun, DR STRANGE is a genuine classic,
> and quite possibly Steve Ditko's masterpiece.

I agree. It's also one of the few times in the SA that the creators
actually brought their runs to a satisfying finish, rather than just
wandering off (though of course Ditko's Spider-Man was special
circumstances.)

Unfortunately, I felt the quality dropped off immediately after he left,
and I quit reading the volume after a couple more issues. Still, the Ditko
run is more than worth the price of the volume by itself.

I haven't seen the colored originals to be able to make a comparison, but I
can't imagine the artwork improved by that sad 60s coloring.

Dave Doty

Richard

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"Rob Hansen" <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Having bought the DR STRANGE and ANT-MAN Essential volumes last week
> > (one minor puzzlement. The third story "The Return of the Omnipotent
> Baron Mordo" was quite obviously inked by George Bell/Roussos - his
> inking style is utterly unmistakeable - yet he isn't credited here.
> Anyone know why?)
> --

Comics generally get lettered before they are inked. My guess is
that the intention was for Ditko to do the inking (he was inking
virtually all his stuff during this period ,of course), but a deadline
crunch probably created a situation where they couldn't get it back
to Ditko in time and the utility man Roussos was brought in to do
a quickie last minute inking job. They probably didn't have time
to get the credits relettered to reflect the last minute switch.

With regards to questionable credits, in the Ant-Man Essential,
there are a couple stories that have Jack Kirby is credited as penciller
and Don Heck as inker where I'd swear that Heck did both jobs.
With regards to "the Creature From Kosmos!" from Astonish #44,
while the creature shows obvious signs of Kirby, the faces of
all the characters look like 100% Heck. "The Birth of Giant-Man"
from Astonish #49, looks even less like a Kirby job. I suspect
that Kirby layed out these stories, but didn't actually do the full
pencils.

Richard


Rob Hansen

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Mar 7, 2002, 9:06:31 AM3/7/02
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On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:24:10 GMT, dd...@ou.edu (Dave Doty) wrote:

>Rob Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Where ANT-MAN was goofy fun, DR STRANGE is a genuine classic,
>> and quite possibly Steve Ditko's masterpiece.
>
>I agree. It's also one of the few times in the SA that the creators
>actually brought their runs to a satisfying finish, rather than just
>wandering off (though of course Ditko's Spider-Man was special
>circumstances.)
>
>Unfortunately, I felt the quality dropped off immediately after he left,
>and I quit reading the volume after a couple more issues. Still, the Ditko
>run is more than worth the price of the volume by itself.

Oh certainly, but I also have a soft spot for Marie Severin's work on
the title myself.

I hope there's a second volume, though this is one instance in which
the lack of colouring will be a real shame since the next sequence
features the first teaming of Gene Colan and Tom Palmer, back when
Palmer's inks were really tight, and Palmer also coloured it, somehow
managed to transcend the limitations of four colour dotwork to produce
what is IMO the best colouring job of the entire Silver Age.

Ray Tomczak

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Mar 7, 2002, 11:06:14 AM3/7/02
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> With regards to questionable credits, in the Ant-Man Essential,
> there are a couple stories that have Jack Kirby is credited as penciller
> and Don Heck as inker where I'd swear that Heck did both jobs.

I don't think the problem is with the credits but with Heck's inking, which
overpowered rather than complimented the pencils.

Dave Doty

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Mar 7, 2002, 11:33:29 AM3/7/02
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Rob Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I hope there's a second volume

Unless they jump to the Marvel Premiere issues, there won't be enough
issues, sadly. I hope they do, because I've never gotten to see the famous
Thomas/Colan run. Nor the infamous Thomas/Colan run.

Dave Doty

richard

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Mar 7, 2002, 3:03:28 PM3/7/02
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"Ray Tomczak" <ray_t...@copper.net> wrote in message
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I've seen Heck's inks on Kirby's pencils on
some Thor stories where Kirby's style still hit
you in the face like a brick despite Heck's presence.
It's pretty damn hard to overpower Kirby
if he is doing full pencils.

Richard


Patrick MARCEL

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Mar 7, 2002, 5:44:21 PM3/7/02
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Le 6/03/02 23:15, Rob Hansen a écrit  :

> DR STRANGE is a genuine classic,
> and quite possibly Steve Ditko's masterpiece.

Couldn't agree more. Which is why I'm still sorry the MARVEL MASTERWORKS
volume stopped six issues before the end. it would have made a great volume.

I haven't seen the Esssential, yet. How's the reproduction? Is everything
sharp, or are there any stripped down color pages, the way there were in the
Hulk volume?

Patrick

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richard

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"Patrick MARCEL" <mant...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> Le 6/03/02 23:15, Rob Hansen a écrit :
>
> > DR STRANGE is a genuine classic,
> > and quite possibly Steve Ditko's masterpiece.
>
> Couldn't agree more. Which is why I'm still sorry the MARVEL MASTERWORKS
> volume stopped six issues before the end. it would have made a great
volume.
>
> I haven't seen the Esssential, yet. How's the reproduction? Is everything
> sharp, or are there any stripped down color pages, the way there were in
the
> Hulk volume?
>


If you're talking about the first Hulk volume, the reproduction
in the Dr. Strange volume is far superior. There are a few stories
that have stripped down color pages (fortunately, none of the
Ditko stories), but even those aren't too bad. The Ditko stuff
is generally crisp.

Richard

Rob Hansen

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Mar 7, 2002, 7:13:59 PM3/7/02
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On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 23:44:21 +0100, Patrick MARCEL
<mant...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

>Le 6/03/02 23:15, Rob Hansen a écrit  :
>
>> DR STRANGE is a genuine classic,
>> and quite possibly Steve Ditko's masterpiece.
>
>Couldn't agree more. Which is why I'm still sorry the MARVEL MASTERWORKS
>volume stopped six issues before the end. it would have made a great volume.
>
>I haven't seen the Esssential, yet. How's the reproduction? Is everything
>sharp, or are there any stripped down color pages, the way there were in the
>Hulk volume?

Some of the post-Ditko stuff is scanned from the colour comics, but
*all* of Ditko's stuff is pristine b&w - and it looks wonderful!

KurtBusiek

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Mar 7, 2002, 9:14:55 PM3/7/02
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> I hope there's a second volume

>> Unless they jump to the Marvel Premiere issues, there won't be enough
issues, sadly. I hope they do, because I've never gotten to see the famous
Thomas/Colan run. Nor the infamous Thomas/Colan run.>>

I think it'd be a pretty cool bridge if they reprinted the last five STRANGE
TALES stories (60 pages, including covers), the 15 Thomas issues (296 pages,
counting covers and leaving out the one issue that was a reprint), the
SUB-MARINER and HULK issues that polish off the story and put Doc into
retirement (42 pages), the ten-pager from MARVEL FEATURE #1 that brought him
back out of retirement, and MARVEL PREMIERE #3-10 (167 pages). That's long for
a Masterworks -- 555 pages -- but it has a full narrative through-line, and
comes to a nice, clear ending point.

Some of those latter issues are supposed to be being reporinted in a DOC trade,
but if a package like that came along in a couple of years, it'd be a pretty
enjoyable book.

The next volume would start with the first all-Englehart storyline (he wrapped
up the first one in PREMIERE), and go all through that terrific stuff, and
unfortunately into the start of the mess that followed, as writer after writer
handed off unfinished storylines to the next guy...

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Rob Hansen

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Mar 8, 2002, 4:26:58 AM3/8/02
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On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:33:29 GMT, dd...@ou.edu (Dave Doty) wrote:

>Rob Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I hope there's a second volume
>
>Unless they jump to the Marvel Premiere issues, there won't be enough
>issues, sadly.

That's what I was assuming they'd do, actually. A second volume would
presumably include DR STRANGE #169 - 183 (numbering continues from
STRANGE TALES), SUB-MARINER #22, HULK #126, that 10-page solo tale
from MARVEL FEATURE #1 where Doc reassumes the Master of the Mystic
Arts mantle, and then MARVEL PREMIERE #3 - 10, would take us neatly to
the end of the Shauma-Gorath storyline. Definitely a volume I want.

Rob Hansen

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Mar 8, 2002, 4:26:59 AM3/8/02
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On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:53:23 -0700, "Richard" <ric...@nospam.edu>
wrote:

>
>"Rob Hansen" <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Having bought the DR STRANGE and ANT-MAN Essential volumes last week
>> > (one minor puzzlement. The third story "The Return of the Omnipotent
>> Baron Mordo" was quite obviously inked by George Bell/Roussos - his
>> inking style is utterly unmistakeable - yet he isn't credited here.
>> Anyone know why?)
>> --
>
> Comics generally get lettered before they are inked. My guess is
>that the intention was for Ditko to do the inking (he was inking
>virtually all his stuff during this period ,of course), but a deadline
>crunch probably created a situation where they couldn't get it back
>to Ditko in time and the utility man Roussos was brought in to do
>a quickie last minute inking job. They probably didn't have time
>to get the credits relettered to reflect the last minute switch.

I probably shoul've nade it clear that I was referring to the credits
on the contents page. If you look at, say, the first FF Essential
volume you'll note they've given inker credits in instances where
these were known even when they didn't appear in the credits in the
actual story.

Rob Hansen

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Mar 8, 2002, 4:29:39 AM3/8/02
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On 08 Mar 2002 02:14:55 GMT, kurtb...@aol.comics (KurtBusiek) wrote:

>> I hope there's a second volume
>
>>> Unless they jump to the Marvel Premiere issues, there won't be enough
>issues, sadly. I hope they do, because I've never gotten to see the famous
>Thomas/Colan run. Nor the infamous Thomas/Colan run.>>
>
>I think it'd be a pretty cool bridge if they reprinted the last five STRANGE
>TALES stories (60 pages, including covers), the 15 Thomas issues (296 pages,
>counting covers and leaving out the one issue that was a reprint), the
>SUB-MARINER and HULK issues that polish off the story and put Doc into
>retirement (42 pages), the ten-pager from MARVEL FEATURE #1 that brought him
>back out of retirement, and MARVEL PREMIERE #3-10 (167 pages). That's long for
>a Masterworks -- 555 pages -- but it has a full narrative through-line, and
>comes to a nice, clear ending point.

Hah! Having posted pretty much exactly the same list, I suppose it was
inevitable I'd discover you'd beaten me to it, Kurt.


>
>Some of those latter issues are supposed to be being reporinted in a DOC trade,
>but if a package like that came along in a couple of years, it'd be a pretty
>enjoyable book.
>
>The next volume would start with the first all-Englehart storyline (he wrapped
>up the first one in PREMIERE), and go all through that terrific stuff, and
>unfortunately into the start of the mess that followed, as writer after writer
>handed off unfinished storylines to the next guy...

Yeah. Unfortunately, DR STRANGE didn't really get really good again
after this until Roger Stern's superb run.

Rob Hansen

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Mar 8, 2002, 5:32:37 AM3/8/02
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On 08 Mar 2002 02:14:55 GMT, kurtb...@aol.comics (KurtBusiek) wrote:

>I think it'd be a pretty cool bridge if they reprinted the last five STRANGE
>TALES stories (60 pages, including covers),

Actually, now that I look at your post again I'm puzzled by this bit,
Kurt. ESSENTIAL DR STRANGE vol 1 includes the *entire* STRANGE TALES
run, right the way up to #168. Assuming your page-count was right,
however, then the cut off point we both proposed, MARVEL PREMIERE #10
would bring the volume in at 495 pages, which is a bit light. The
following issue was a standalone, but it was also mostly repeats,
being a new cover and 3 new pages by Brunner wrapped around reprints
of two Ditko tales. Don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be
too unhappy to see this reprinted there as is, even if it does reprint
a couple of stories from volume 1 (the same problem arises later with
DR STRANGE #3, of course). Including cover, that adds 20 pages back
in, bringing us back up to 515.

Bob Hughes

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Mar 8, 2002, 7:13:32 AM3/8/02
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Rob Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Well, those credits were assembled by people who don't know much
comics history. Otherwise why whould they list non-existent people
like Scott Edwards in the Hulk Essentials, when we all know who Scott
Edwards really is?
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Rob Hansen

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Mar 8, 2002, 9:28:43 AM3/8/02
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On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:32:37 +0000, Rob Hansen
<r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 08 Mar 2002 02:14:55 GMT, kurtb...@aol.comics (KurtBusiek) wrote:
>
>>I think it'd be a pretty cool bridge if they reprinted the last five STRANGE
>>TALES stories (60 pages, including covers),
>
>Actually, now that I look at your post again I'm puzzled by this bit,
>Kurt. ESSENTIAL DR STRANGE vol 1 includes the *entire* STRANGE TALES
>run, right the way up to #168. Assuming your page-count was right,
>however, then the cut off point we both proposed, MARVEL PREMIERE #10
>would bring the volume in at 495 pages, which is a bit light. The
>following issue was a standalone, but it was also mostly repeats,
>being a new cover and 3 new pages by Brunner wrapped around reprints
>of two Ditko tales. Don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be
>too unhappy to see this reprinted there as is, even if it does reprint
>a couple of stories from volume 1 (the same problem arises later with
>DR STRANGE #3, of course). Including cover, that adds 20 pages back
>in, bringing us back up to 515.

Responding to my own post, I subsequently remembered that DR STRANGE
#179 was a reprint, too (of the Ditko Spidey/Strange meeting from
SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #2, IIRC). So this could either be included or both
it and the reprint MARVEL PREMIERE #11 could be dropped to make way
for MARVEL PREMIERE #12 - 14. Since this would then include all the
original full tales from MARVEL PREMIERE it would make for an even
better volume.

KurtBusiek

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Mar 8, 2002, 12:05:42 PM3/8/02
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>>Actually, now that I look at your post again I'm puzzled by this bit, Kurt.
ESSENTIAL DR STRANGE vol 1 includes the *entire* STRANGE TALES run, right the
way up to #168.>>

It does? I haven't seen it yet. It was solicited as having up to #163. I
thought that was aimed at me, since #164 is where my STRANGE TALES collection
starts...

KurtBusiek

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Mar 8, 2002, 12:16:46 PM3/8/02
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>>Responding to my own post, I subsequently remembered that DR STRANGE
#179 was a reprint, too (of the Ditko Spidey/Strange meeting from
SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #2, IIRC). So this could either be included or both
it and the reprint MARVEL PREMIERE #11 could be dropped to make way
for MARVEL PREMIERE #12 - 14. Since this would then include all the
original full tales from MARVEL PREMIERE it would make for an even
better volume.>>

Since the #179 reprint is a straight reprint, I'd just drop it. I'd include
the two reprint issues from the Brunner era, because they have new framing
sequences that would be nice to have, and which provide a context for the
reprint, making it, in essence, a flashback within the current story rather
than just a reprint.

But PREMIERE #11 makes such a good opening to a volume -- the frame reiterates
the new status quo, and the reprints provide the origin of Doc and an intro to
Baron Mordo, who reappears in the next issue -- that I'd still save it for the
next volume.

I'd include AVENGERS #61 instead, which is part two of a story begun in DOC
#178.

BritReid

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Mar 8, 2002, 12:50:01 PM3/8/02
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<< Responding to my own post, I subsequently remembered that DR STRANGE
#179 was a reprint, too (of the Ditko Spidey/Strange meeting from SPIDER-MAN
ANNUAL #2, IIRC). So this could either be included or both it and the reprint
MARVEL PREMIERE #11 could be dropped to make way
for MARVEL PREMIERE #12 - 14. Since this would then include all the original
full tales from MARVEL PREMIERE it would make for an even better volume.>

I'd at least include the nifty new cover for #179 by either Kirby or a young
Barry Smith (who was doing Kirby riffs at that point) in the reprint book.

Brit

KurtBusiek

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>>I'd at least include the nifty new cover for #179 by either Kirby or a young
Barry Smith (who was doing Kirby riffs at that point) in the reprint book.>>

That was Barry. And I included it in my pagecount, at least...

Kevin

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Mar 8, 2002, 1:41:09 PM3/8/02
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Kurt,

Is it possible to relay your wishes for a Essential Doc v2 to "The
Powers That Be" or is it too premature considering the sales for
Volume 1 probably aren't in yet? As a bonus question, what couple of
Essentials (outside of Avengers) would you like to see next? Thanks!

Kevin

KurtBusiek

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>> Is it possible to relay your wishes for a Essential Doc v2 to "The Powers
That Be" or is it too premature considering the sales for Volume 1 probably
aren't in yet? >>

Probably too premature, but heck, I'm not shy.

>> As a bonus question, what couple of Essentials (outside of Avengers) would
you like to see next? >>

Well, there's a difference between what I'd like to see and what I think would
be smart to do. I'd like to see ESSENTIAL HUMAN TORCH & THING and ESSENTIAL
SGT. FURY, because those are the two remaining early core Marvel series I don't
have. But I don't know that those two would be the best choices.

Since ESSENTIAL TOMB OF DRACULA has already been discussed, the next one I'd
like to see that isn't core Marvel stuff (aside from CONAN vol. 2) would be,
possibly in concert with Dark Horse if they still hold the license, ESSENTIAL
GODZILLA. Therre's just about the right amount of stuff, and I think it'd do
really, really well in bookstores. I also kind of wonder how well ESSENTIAL
WEREWOLF BY NIGHT would do with a non-core audience...

Other than that, more AVENGERS, FF and SPIDER-MAN are always welcome by me.

Dave Doty

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kurtb...@aol.comics (KurtBusiek) wrote:

> Other than that, more AVENGERS, FF and SPIDER-MAN are always welcome by
> me.

I think more Essential Thor would be my top pick for continuing what's
already out there. I'm hoping that Stan's entire SA oeuvre will be in
print, plus subsequent runs for Spider-Man and Avengers, at least.

New stuff, I'd like Human Torch, Namor, and the perennial Usenet request,
Master of Kung-Fu, though I don't know where licensing issues stand there.

Dave Doty

Thomas Galloway

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Mar 8, 2002, 4:14:30 PM3/8/02
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In article <20020308141652...@mb-cc.aol.com>,

KurtBusiek <kurtb...@aol.comics> wrote:
>> As a bonus question, what couple of Essentials (outside of Avengers) would
>>you like to see next?
>Well, there's a difference between what I'd like to see and what I think would
>be smart to do. I'd like to see ESSENTIAL HUMAN TORCH & THING and ESSENTIAL
>SGT. FURY, because those are the two remaining early core Marvel series I
>don't have. But I don't know that those two would be the best choices.

I'd at least like to hope that if Essential Ant-Man does well that it'd
result in an Essential Torch and Thing since the market would seem similar;
people who want the obscure, not overmuch reprinted, series of the early
60s. I'd also like a Fury collection, but I'd agree that's more of a long
shot (as is Torch and Thing if Ant-Man doesn't do well).

>possibly in concert with Dark Horse if they still hold the license, ESSENTIAL
>GODZILLA. Therre's just about the right amount of stuff, and I think it'd do
>really, really well in bookstores.

Was the Marvel Godzilla that good? I remember looking at a few issues on
the stands and not thinking it was very interesting or significant.

>Other than that, more AVENGERS, FF and SPIDER-MAN are always welcome by me.

No Essential Defenders?

tyg t...@panix.com

Rob Hansen

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On 08 Mar 2002 17:16:46 GMT, kurtb...@aol.comics (KurtBusiek) wrote:

>>>Responding to my own post, I subsequently remembered that DR STRANGE
>#179 was a reprint, too (of the Ditko Spidey/Strange meeting from
>SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #2, IIRC). So this could either be included or both
>it and the reprint MARVEL PREMIERE #11 could be dropped to make way
>for MARVEL PREMIERE #12 - 14. Since this would then include all the
>original full tales from MARVEL PREMIERE it would make for an even
>better volume.>>
>
>Since the #179 reprint is a straight reprint, I'd just drop it. I'd include
>the two reprint issues from the Brunner era, because they have new framing
>sequences that would be nice to have, and which provide a context for the
>reprint, making it, in essence, a flashback within the current story rather
>than just a reprint.
>
>But PREMIERE #11 makes such a good opening to a volume -- the frame reiterates
>the new status quo, and the reprints provide the origin of Doc and an intro to
>Baron Mordo, who reappears in the next issue -- that I'd still save it for the
>next volume.
>
>I'd include AVENGERS #61 instead, which is part two of a story begun in DOC
>#178.

OK, you've convinced me (as you usually do in these matters). Now if
only whoever compiles these things is listening....

Rob Hansen

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On 08 Mar 2002 17:05:42 GMT, kurtb...@aol.comics (KurtBusiek) wrote:

>>>Actually, now that I look at your post again I'm puzzled by this bit, Kurt.
>ESSENTIAL DR STRANGE vol 1 includes the *entire* STRANGE TALES run, right the
>way up to #168.>>
>
>It does? I haven't seen it yet. It was solicited as having up to #163. I
>thought that was aimed at me, since #164 is where my STRANGE TALES collection
>starts...

Maybe the solicitation misprinted '3' for '8'? Not that this is the
first time an Essential volume has ended up containing more than
originally advertised. (I can't imagine *any* fan complaining about
this, but then this is Usenet....) Unfortunately, of the Adkins period
- #161 - 168 - all but #162 and #165 are shot from the colour comic
pages (along with an episode in Marie Severin's unjustly unsung run).
On the plus side - and it's a *big* plus - all the Ditko pages are
sharp, clear b&w. It's a revelation just how good they look in b&w,
too, much better than they did with those 1960s colours.

BritReid

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Mar 8, 2002, 9:15:11 PM3/8/02
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<< >> Is it possible to relay your wishes for a Essential Doc v2 to "The Powers
That Be" or is it too premature considering the sales for Volume 1 probably
aren't in yet? >>

Aren't the sales already in?
Call it "preordering". Since the book was printed to order, with little or no
overprinting, and no returns, we already know what the sales figures are!

Brit

KurtBusiek

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Mar 8, 2002, 10:43:24 PM3/8/02
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>>Was the Marvel Godzilla that good?>>

It was fun. More to the point, it's good material to get out to a mass market
-- I see Essentials as a package for big thick cheap readin', not for archival
collection of A-list material.

Heck, if they could get the rights, I'd want to see ESSENTIAL PLANET OF THE
APES. They've got a ton of material, it's perfectly decent readable stuff (for
the most part) and they could rope in non-comics readers with it. That's
enough to justify it, by me.

>> No Essential Defenders? >>

With the Avengers/Defenders Clash happening so early on, I think it'd be easier
to do DEFENDERS as TPBs. But if they wanted to do an Essential, I wouldn't
bitch. I'm hoping the FF Essentials get up through #200, at least...

KurtBusiek

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Mar 8, 2002, 10:44:13 PM3/8/02
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>>Aren't the sales already in? >>

Direct market sales, yes.

>> Call it "preordering". Since the book was printed to order, with little or
no overprinting, and no returns, we already know what the sales figures are! >>


Not in the bookstores, we don't.

Jason Fliegel

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Mar 9, 2002, 11:43:38 AM3/9/02
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Kurt Busiek(kurtb...@aol.comics) wrote:>
>>> As a bonus question, what couple of Essentials (outside of
>Avengers) would you like to see next? >>
>
>Well, there's a difference between what I'd like to see and what I think
>would be smart to do. I'd like to see ESSENTIAL HUMAN TORCH &
>THING and ESSENTIAL SGT. FURY, because those are the two
>remaining early core Marvel series I don't have. But I don't know that
>those two would be the best choices.

Good news! Back in November, Tom Brevoort mentioned that a SGT. FURY volume is
planned.

(Read about it here, if you feel like piecing together this enormous URL).

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=essential+fury+kitchent+group:rec.arts.c
omics.marvel.universe&hl=en&selm=20011107220413.01339.00001165%40mb-bh.aol
.com&rnum=2

I could get behind both of the volumes you mention, but I would add the
Essential Sub-Mariner to the list. Then give me a second volume of Thor and
Iron-Man. Plus we need several volumes each of Master of Kung Fu and Dracula.
And Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD .....


Jason Fliegel
Que...@aol.com

ali assa seen

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Mar 12, 2002, 6:20:06 PM3/12/02
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In article <20020309114338...@mb-fx.aol.com>,
que...@aol.com (Jason Fliegel) wrote:

> I could get behind both of the volumes you mention, but I would add the
> Essential Sub-Mariner to the list. Then give me a second volume of Thor and
> Iron-Man. Plus we need several volumes each of Master of Kung Fu and
> Dracula.
> And Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD .....
>
> Jason Fliegel
> Que...@aol.com

MoKF I would wear out as quick as the new HtD one even though in both
cases I've already got all the originals. Dracula I love to look at but
I just sold off my spotty run cuz due to too many mising issues it
didn't hold my interest. I think an Essentials volume could change
that. But: Is there really that much good Nick Fury outside of the
Steranko stuff, which would seem to be better off in the current color
volumes? Even those seem more like gorgeous eye-candy than good
reading. Of course, outside of FF, Spiderman and a few others that Stan
and company put the real sweat into, I don't really enjoy the early
stuff as reading material anyhow.

- Dr Strangemonde

(Back to the Dr. Strange volume, it's a shame about the Adkins pages -
I just flipped through an original issue and there's some damn sharp
linework in there.)

Jason Fliegel

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Mar 12, 2002, 10:44:15 PM3/12/02
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Dr. Strangemonde (dancing...@auschron.com) wrote:

>But: Is there really that much good Nick Fury outside of the
>Steranko stuff, which would seem to be better off in the current color
>volumes?

The Steranko stuff is key (and I've got both of the recent color reprints), but
there's also about 15 issues of Kirby stories before Steranko comes on the
book. An Essentials volume could reprint the Kirby run, the Steranko run, plus
maybe one or two of the Frank Springer issues (Springer and Herb trimpe,
between the two of theme, had a run of about a dozen issues with a variety of
writers after Steranko left). I'd buy it. But then again, I'm a sucker for
any Silver or Bronze Age Marvel books.
Jason Fliegel
Que...@aol.com

Richard

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Mar 13, 2002, 12:56:59 AM3/13/02
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"Jason Fliegel" <que...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020312224415...@mb-mk.aol.com...

> Dr. Strangemonde (dancing...@auschron.com) wrote:
>
> >But: Is there really that much good Nick Fury outside of the
> >Steranko stuff, which would seem to be better off in the current color
> >volumes?
>
> The Steranko stuff is key (and I've got both of the recent color
reprints), but
> there's also about 15 issues of Kirby stories before Steranko comes on the
> book.

That stuff is OK, but it's really only sporadically Kirby. He only did
full pencils on a handful of issues (135, 141, 142) and layouts on the
rest. The pencillers for those were a real hodge-podge- John Severin,
Don Heck, Howard Purcell, Joe Sinnott, Ogden Whitney and John
Buscema (his one story was reprinted in the first Steranko SHIELD
color volume).

Of course, even Steranko himself started off by pencilling over
Kirby layouts.


Richard


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Mar 13, 2002, 6:35:22 PM3/13/02
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In article <a6mpnl$7jp$1...@news.asu.edu>, "Richard" <ric...@nospam.edu>
wrote:


> That [Nick Fury] is OK, but it's only sporadically Kirby. He only did


> full pencils on a handful of issues (135, 141, 142) and layouts on the

> rest. The pencillers for those were . . . Ogden Whitney . . .

Ogden Whitney?? Oh my God!!! Artist of Herbie?? Herbie (the Fat) Fury,
Agent of SHIELD? Is Herbie maybe Nick's nephew? After all, Pop
Popnecker does look a bit like the former Sergeant, and someone like
Nick would have never kept such an awful Christian name as Popnecker.
The mind boggles... "Bop Hydra With That There Lollipop, and Another
Hydra Will Take Its Place!"

- Dr Strangerthanevermonde

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