Hulk's strength
Hitesh Shah
from one tv show version to another to one Marvel comic series
to another from one decade to the next. His strength is never
seems to be fixed but seems to be a give and take between his
intellect (super-ego) and desire (id), with is subconscious desire
to smash. Now, in my personal opinion Dr. Banner was a mutant
with telekinetic powers who created no Gamma Nuclear Bomb but
simulated its effect telekinetically , in my opinion, if such
a device were ever scientifically created or engineered. Now,
to get back to the topic in question that being Hulk's strength.
Hulk in the cartoon series in early 80's could bench
press a maximum of 100 tons (with an average car weighing 2 tons)
and jump a maximum of 10 miles, horizontally, or 3.33 miles vertically,
Hulk in the nonanimated tv series in the early 80's could
bench press a maximum of 30 tons (with an average 18-wheel tractor
trailor weighing 15 tons) and jump a maximum of 100 feet vertically
and 333 feet horizontally.
Hulk in the cartoon series in the mid 80's could bench
press a maximum of 400 tons (average weight of a 5 story building)
and jump a distance of 20 miles, horizontally, and 6.66 miles vertically.
The current Hulk in the Marvel '94 and '95 issues, Hulk's
strength was greatly diminished due to his increased in intellect
and laws of 'give and take'. Hulk's current strength, by my
calculations, is such that he can bench press a maximum of 3 tons
and jump a distance of 20 feet vertically and 60 feet horizontally.
But, because his strength is depended on his mood, level of anxiety
and irritability, and level of anger and pain, Hulk's strength can
increase beyond his new default value or level that being that of
his previous self allowing him to lift objects weighing in hundreds
of tons but his intellect would be reduced to a pulp or that of a
chimp or gorilla (if he were to revert to his super strong self).
lbona
: Hulk or the Incredible Hulk's strength varies greatly
: from one tv show version to another to one Marvel comic series
: to another from one decade to the next. His strength is never
: seems to be fixed but seems to be a give and take between his
: intellect (super-ego) and desire (id), with is subconscious desire
: to smash. Now, in my personal opinion Dr. Banner was a mutant
: with telekinetic powers who created no Gamma Nuclear Bomb but
: simulated its effect telekinetically , in my opinion, if such
: a device were ever scientifically created or engineered. Now,
: to get back to the topic in question that being Hulk's strength.
bombs that were detonated in Banner's absence?
: Hulk in the cartoon series in early 80's could bench
: press a maximum of 100 tons (with an average car weighing 2 tons)
: and jump a maximum of 10 miles, horizontally, or 3.33 miles vertically,
This sounds about like his Marvel Handbook stats.
:
: Hulk in the nonanimated tv series in the early 80's could
: bench press a maximum of 30 tons (with an average 18-wheel tractor
: trailor weighing 15 tons) and jump a maximum of 100 feet vertically
: and 333 feet horizontally.
:
: Hulk in the cartoon series in the mid 80's could bench
: press a maximum of 400 tons (average weight of a 5 story building)
: and jump a distance of 20 miles, horizontally, and 6.66 miles vertically.
Where do you get these numbers from? Bearing in mind that what happens in
these places has no bearing on the comic book universe.
: The current Hulk in the Marvel '94 and '95 issues, Hulk's
: strength was greatly diminished due to his increased in intellect
: and laws of 'give and take'. Hulk's current strength, by my
: calculations, is such that he can bench press a maximum of 3 tons
: and jump a distance of 20 feet vertically and 60 feet horizontally.
Have you been reading the same Hulk comics as the rest of us? Those figures
are woefully inaccurate.
: But, because his strength is depended on his mood, level of anxiety
: and irritability, and level of anger and pain, Hulk's strength can
: increase beyond his new default value or level that being that of
: his previous self allowing him to lift objects weighing in hundreds
: of tons but his intellect would be reduced to a pulp or that of a
: chimp or gorilla (if he were to revert to his super strong self).
:
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> to smash. Now, in my personal opinion Dr. Banner was a mutant
in the marvel universe you'll find out that the hulk is an
altered-human. Mutants are born with their powers and they
mainifest during puberty. altered-humans get bitten by spiders
or hit by huge gamma bombs.
> The current Hulk in the Marvel '94 and '95 issues,
Hulk's
> strength was greatly diminished due to his increased in
intellect
> and laws of 'give and take'.
ultimate mixture of id, superego, and ego. This allowed him to
be the smartest, fastest, strongest hulk yet. However, after a
period of extremly stressful situations (the Maestro, the
action hulk did in the Trans-Sabal (where Rick killed the
country's dictator),death of Rick's girl (her name escpes me at
the moment, she coming back, the Aids storylines, Betty being
kidnapped, Shield trying to kill him, The pantheon being
destroyed and Betty nearly being killed, and speedfreak's
daughter being killed in front of the abortion clinic) without
talking to Doc Sampson about the changes that Bruce has
undergone has caused Bruce to undergo a situation in which the
stronger he gets, the weaker he gets. Yes, when he gets mildly
upset, he gets stroner, but this is simply because whenever
anybody gets upset, they listen less to their body's reactions
to pain and then, can act stronger. When he acheives a certain
level of anger, his id takes over his mind (he becomes the
stupid hulk) while his ego attaches itself to his physical body
and makes his strength normal.
I think this is fairly sound, but if not, Peter David will
correct the wrong parts. The changes the Hulk has gone through
proves the genius of PAD, and the crap X-Factor has become is a
testament of what happens when the editors tick a writer off
(PAD left after the Fatal Attractions crossover and the series
has slowly degenerated into crap ever since).
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> Oh goody! It's the ever-nutty Hitesh Shah! Back, no doubt, to say
>lots and make sero sense. Yay!
<sigh>... that guy's practically a legend here, isn't he? :)
Yikes. Try putting up with him on the #comics channel on IRC... if you're
ever on there, look out for "Gore" or "Marlon"...ikes.
I'm still trying to figure out WHY Hitesh even bothers...
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*twenty feet*?!?!?
No. No, you've completely misread the Hulk's current incarnation.
He doesn't become progressively weaker as he gets angrier; he gets
stronger and stronger as per usual, but if he's approaching a complete
berserker rage, he reverts to his helpless mortal form. But until
that happens, he's as strong as he ever was.
PAD
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: > Oh goody! It's the ever-nutty Hitesh Shah! Back, no doubt, to say
: >lots and make sero sense. Yay!
: <sigh>... that guy's practically a legend here, isn't he? :)
: Yikes. Try putting up with him on the #comics channel on IRC... if you're
: ever on there, look out for "Gore" or "Marlon"...ikes.
Not likely, as he's been banned from it. (Although he sometimes gets in
whenever we're feeling bored... B-) )
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On 22 Oct 1995 Peter_...@cup.portal.com wrote:
> No. No, you've completely misread the Hulk's current incarnation.
> He doesn't become progressively weaker as he gets angrier; he gets
> stronger and stronger as per usual, but if he's approaching a complete
> berserker rage, he reverts to his helpless mortal form. But until
> that happens, he's as strong as he ever was.
>
Do you mean by this he can get more irritated and more irritated, but
never outright pissed off?
Rob 'just curious' Thornton
Eric Richard Keiter
:
:
I find this all pretty interesting.... The idea of being so angry
that you've reached a "bezerker rage" state. I don't think I've been
anywhere near that angry in my adult life -- although I probably
was that angry a number of times as a little kid, before I learned
that I had to control myself. These days, of course, I'm never fighting for my
life, or anyone else's, so I lack that motivation. Plus, I'm nowhere
near as tough as a super hero like the Hulk, so I'd probably put myself
in a lot of danger if I lost control like that.
I guess I'm curious about this for two reasons 1) it seems that some superhero
types get into the 'bezerker rage' state much more easily than normal
people or at least the normal people that I know -- why is this? (other than
it makes stories more interesting....) Wolverine's rage makes sense, as it's
part of his mutation. Maybe I just don't have a real understanding of
what it would be like to have to fight all the time. (not a whole lot of
fighting going on in front of the computer here....)
2) At what point has someone, like the Hulk, crossed the line between
being pissed off and genuinely berzerk? It seems like there's a "critical
mass" (critical anger?) that must be reached. I guess in the Hulk's case,
his change to banner is the result of his subconscious mind setting up
a failsafe, so maybe this failsafe is triggered by his psychological state.
Once his conscious mind has completely given in to his anger, his
subconscious considers him to be berzerk, and poof! he's Dr. Banner again.
I had been thinking that the trigger/diagnostic was biochemical, but from
what little I know of biology, that seems unlikely.... I like the
psychological answer better....
Eric Keiter
kei...@percy.engr.wisc.edu
Eschel Abraham Hamel
was finishing it (before I could post it). Lets see if I can remember
what I typed....
Eric Richard Keiter (kei...@hp-62.cae.wisc.edu) wrote:
: I find this all pretty interesting.... The idea of being so angry
: that you've reached a "bezerker rage" state. I don't think I've been
: anywhere near that angry in my adult life -- although I probably
: was that angry a number of times as a little kid, before I learned
: that I had to control myself. These days, of course, I'm never fighting
: for my
: life, or anyone else's, so I lack that motivation. Plus, I'm nowhere
: near as tough as a super hero like the Hulk, so I'd probably put myself
: in a lot of danger if I lost control like that.
You have to keep in mind the fact that Bruce Banner was terribly abused
as a child and this affected his psyche deeply. He may also be
genetically predisposed for this kind of behaviour (reflected in his
father). He also was saddled with a huge guilt complex by his father for
the death of his mother. (I don't remember the circumstances.) I think
that given the circumstances, you might have some problems controling
your temper as well.
: I guess I'm curious about this for two reasons 1) it seems that some
: superhero
: types get into the 'bezerker rage' state much more easily than normal
: people or at least the normal people that I know -- why is this? (other
: than
: it makes stories more interesting....) Wolverine's rage makes sense, as
: it's
: part of his mutation. Maybe I just don't have a real understanding of
: what it would be like to have to fight all the time. (not a whole lot of
: fighting going on in front of the computer here....)
Wolverine's rages were programmed into him, they aren't part of his
mutation. Unless it's been retconned, "Weapon X" (written and drawn by
BWS) tells this story. He was turned into a bestial killer when the
adamntium was infused into his skeleton, and reverts to it every once in
a while.
: 2) At what point has someone, like the Hulk, crossed the line between
: being pissed off and genuinely berzerk? It seems like there's a "critical
: mass" (critical anger?) that must be reached. I guess in the Hulk's case,
: his change to banner is the result of his subconscious mind setting up
: a failsafe, so maybe this failsafe is triggered by his psychological state.
: Once his conscious mind has completely given in to his anger, his
: subconscious considers him to be berzerk, and poof! he's Dr. Banner again.
: I had been thinking that the trigger/diagnostic was biochemical, but from
: what little I know of biology, that seems unlikely.... I like the
: psychological answer better....
No one is quite sure what causes the change in personality in an MPD. It
seems probable that it has to do with stress/anxiety (psychological as
opposed to biochemical). But then, many in the psychological community
don't believe in MPD at all (My mom is a clinical psychologist and has
actually encountered a few. She thinks that it's a bunch of BS.). YMMV.
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Eric Richard Keiter
I wrote:
: I guess I'm curious about this for two reasons 1) it seems that some
: superhero
: types get into the 'bezerker rage' state much more easily than normal
: people or at least the normal people that I know -- why is this? (other
: than
: it makes stories more interesting....) Wolverine's rage makes sense, as
: it's
: part of his mutation. Maybe I just don't have a real understanding of
: what it would be like to have to fight all the time. (not a whole lot of
: fighting going on in front of the computer here....)
then Eschel Abraham Hamel writes:
:Wolverine's rages were programmed into him, they aren't part of his
:mutation. Unless it's been retconned, "Weapon X" (written and drawn by
:BWS) tells this story. He was turned into a bestial killer when the
:adamntium was infused into his skeleton, and reverts to it every once in
:a while.
really?? I was under the impression that now, without the adamantium,
he's been having *more* trouble containing his bestial rages, which
would seem to contradict the idea of his bestial rage being caused
by the infusion of adamantium. In general, since losing the adamantium,
he's been reverting to his feral state. Also, his healing factor has
multiplied many-fold, indicating that it was being supressed by the
adamantium. The healing factor is definately part of his
mutation. You could interpret this to mean that the adamantium
was considered an unfriendly toxin/insult to his system, and that his
healing factor had been working overtime to overcome it, and thusly
was not able to operate at full strength. Or you coul interpret it
to mean that the adamantium, which was messing up his system,
supressed all aspects of his mutation, not just the healing factor.
If the latter is true (it feels right to me, although I haven't read
the weapon X issue), then it would seem that his berzerker rages are
part of his mutation. I'd be willing to believe that the army did
everything in their power to encourage them, and discourage
any attempt on his part to learn to control them, but I can't believe
that they are there purely because of some army programming. They
fit in too well with his ferral attributes.
If the weapon X book said what you claim it said, I would argue that
it's not completely consistent with the Wolverine character. It sounds
to me like weapon X is the retcon, not the other way around. IMHO, of
course.
Eric Keiter
kei...@percy.engr.wisc.edu
Bob Kunz
> Date: 24 OCT 1995 15:06:16 GMT
> From: Eric Richard Keiter <kei...@hp-62.cae.wisc.edu>
> If the weapon X book said what you claim it said, I would argue that
> it's not completely consistent with the Wolverine character. It sounds
> to me like weapon X is the retcon, not the other way around. IMHO, of
> course.
>
> Eric Keiter
> kei...@percy.engr.wisc.edu
Well I think the Weapon X issues he was referring to were the
ones in "Marvel Comics Presents... Weapon X" It was a great story.
Since this came well before Wolverine's adamantium lose, if a retcon
occured, it would have been now instead of then.
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: bench press a maximum of 30 tons (with an average 18-wheel tractor
: trailor weighing 15 tons) and jump a maximum of 100 feet vertically
: and 333 feet horizontally.
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: On 24 Oct 1995, Eric Richard Keiter wrote:
:
: > Date: 24 OCT 1995 15:06:16 GMT
: > From: Eric Richard Keiter <kei...@hp-62.cae.wisc.edu>
:
: > If the weapon X book said what you claim it said, I would argue that
: > it's not completely consistent with the Wolverine character. It sounds
: > to me like weapon X is the retcon, not the other way around. IMHO, of
: > course.
: >
: > Eric Keiter
: > kei...@percy.engr.wisc.edu
:
: Well I think the Weapon X issues he was referring to were the
: ones in "Marvel Comics Presents... Weapon X" It was a great story.
: Since this came well before Wolverine's adamantium lose, if a retcon
: occured, it would have been now instead of then.
that's not exactly the point I was trying to make. I don't know
when "weapon X" was published. I'm fairly confident that it was
published after wolverine had existed as a character in the MU
for a long time. (maybe I'm wrong about this) The descriptions
I remember reading of Wolverine from way back when, while they
did not explicitly say where his berzerker rage came from, they
did mention it in the same breath with all of his other
abilities, many of which were explictly stated to be due to his
mutation. It seems to me that it was pretty heavily implied that
all of his attributes were mutant related, minus the adamantium.
The generation X story may have come before all him losing his
adamantium, but I can't believe it came before years of this
being implied. In that sense, I think it is a retcon. Besides,
aren't there Wolverine stories that predate him being laced with
adamantium? I remember one that took place in the 40's. He
seemed to have a pretty hot temper then.
Eric Keiter
kei...@percy.engr.wisc.edu
Eschel Abraham Hamel
anymore.
Eric Richard Keiter (kei...@hp-62.cae.wisc.edu) wrote:
: then Eschel Abraham Hamel writes:
: :Wolverine's rages were programmed into him, they aren't part of his
: really?? I was under the impression that now, without the adamantium,
: he's been having *more* trouble containing his bestial rages, which
: would seem to contradict the idea of his bestial rage being caused
: by the infusion of adamantium.
It wasn't caused by the infusion, it was caused because he was subjected
to a MAJOR brainwashing, which involved both psychological and chemical
manipulation.
: In general, since losing the adamantium,
: he's been reverting to his feral state. Also, his healing factor has
: multiplied many-fold, indicating that it was being supressed by the
: adamantium. The healing factor is definately part of his
: mutation.
I'm very well aware of this. Now understand, I haven't read mutant books
for a few years now -- things may have changed since then (i.e.
retconned (a 'retcon' is retroactive continuity, taking past history and
"reinterpretting" it to suit current storylines)). I know nothing of his
increased healing or more severe bestial rages (and I think that having
bone claws is absurd).
: You could interpret this to mean that the adamantium
: was considered an unfriendly toxin/insult to his system, and that his
: healing factor had been working overtime to overcome it, and thusly
: was not able to operate at full strength. Or you coul interpret it
: to mean that the adamantium, which was messing up his system,
: supressed all aspects of his mutation, not just the healing factor.
If any of this is the case, then it is a retcon.
: If the latter is true (it feels right to me, although I haven't read
: the weapon X issue), then it would seem that his berzerker rages are
: part of his mutation. I'd be willing to believe that the army did
: everything in their power to encourage them, and discourage
: any attempt on his part to learn to control them, but I can't believe
: that they are there purely because of some army programming. They
: fit in too well with his ferral attributes.
You don't understand, there was NOTHING feral about him before their
psychological manipulation. He was just a guy (mutant with a healing
factor) who was skilled in a number of martial arts. The "Weapon X"
story was collected in a tpb, see if you can track it down.
: If the weapon X book said what you claim it said, I would argue that
: it's not completely consistent with the Wolverine character. It sounds
: to me like weapon X is the retcon, not the other way around. IMHO, of
: course.
I'm not trying to be insulting, but are you new to Wolverine? The things
you speak of only occurred in recent years (the last two or three).
Hell, he still had adamantium in his skeleton when I quit mutant books,
and that was just 3-4 years ago. The recent writers took almost 15 years
of history and through it in the garbage (primarily Claremont and Byrne's
work) when they made these changes to his character.
simon lumber
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>: In general, since losing the adamantium,
>: he's been reverting to his feral state. Also, his healing factor has
>: multiplied many-fold, indicating that it was being supressed by the
>: adamantium. The healing factor is definately part of his
>: mutation.
>: You could interpret this to mean that the adamantium
>: was considered an unfriendly toxin/insult to his system, and that his
>: healing factor had been working overtime to overcome it, and thusly
>: was not able to operate at full strength. Or you coul interpret it
>: to mean that the adamantium, which was messing up his system,
>: supressed all aspects of his mutation, not just the healing factor.
if i remember correctly, it was the metal that straightened out his
healing factor. the agency that kidnapped him had done a series
of tests on him and found the inclusion of Admantium
would help him, not hindered him...
even after Magneto ripped the metal outta him, he said
that he wasnt the same...and it was taking alot longer for him to heal.....
although it might've been his HF trying to heal him from the loss of the metal....
just my $0.02....
Rick ][
Eschel Abraham Hamel
: >: then Eschel Abraham Hamel writes:
: >: In general, since losing the adamantium....
Be careful with those attributions. Someone else said that, not me. And
I definitely DON'T agree with the statements.