broke my fuckin' heart it did......
steve
(cut and pasted from http://endlessentertainment.com/)
Southend, England
July 19 1999
I have resigned as writer of the DC Vertigo title HELLBLAZER effective
with #143.
This follows an incident regarding #141, a story entitled "Shoot".
"Shoot" concerned the recent spate of child-on-child schoolyard slayings in
American schools. Its creation and treatment predated the Columbine
massacre. At the last moment, DC's executive level felt that the story could
not go out in its original form. All media, particularly the narrative arts,
are particularly sensitive to the politics of post-Columbine blame-placement
at this time, and their concern was entirely justified given their position
and special responsibilities. But the changes required created a story that
I could not stand behind as a writer.
I therefore requested that DC Vertigo either make those changes
themselves and remove my name from the work, or, in the preferred scenario,
not publish the work at all. Rather it go unseen than be released in a
compromised form.
To their credit, DC Vertigo have chosen to not release "Shoot" at all.
Given this, and other situations where I have been required to make or
submit to alterations to make my HELLBLAZER work more palatable to the
company, I have chosen this juncture to resign from the book. HELLBLAZER is
a work owned by DC Comics, and so there is not the latitude for elements of
horror than is given in creator-owned works such as my own
TRANSMETROPOLITAN, or PREACHER. My work on HELLBLAZER simply makes life too
difficult for everybody. So I'm moving on. It's the mature thing to do, I
think.
Everyone involved -- Axel Alonso, Karen Berker, Paul Levitz and Jenette
Kahn -- tried their best in this strange political climate to save this
story. It should be noted that Paul Levitz could just as easily have shot
the book down. The effort was made. Everyone involved behaved impeccably, I
believe, and this situation leaves no hostility in me to the company or to
individuals. Special mention should be made of Axel Alonso, who worked like
a dog to resolve this situation and stood by me all the time, and
Karen Berger, who believed passionately in and fought passionately for
the work from the start.
Obviously, I would've liked to stay with HELLBLAZER longer. What might
have been a four-year run will now total only ten issues, a six-part novel
and four short stories. This will, in any case, free up time to develop new
projects both within and without comics.
This decision was not taken without regret. But it's the best thing to
do.
Warren Ellis
Southend
July 1999
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sob......
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steve
cut and pasted from http://endlessentertainment.com/
Mike Caprio
In article <7n02g1$far$1...@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net>,
steve <steve....@virgin.net> wrote:
>I have resigned as writer of the DC Vertigo title HELLBLAZER
>effective with #143.
[...]
>Given this, and other situations where I have been required to make
>or submit to alterations to make my HELLBLAZER work more palatable to
>the company, I have chosen this juncture to resign from the
>book. HELLBLAZER is a work owned by DC Comics, and so there is not
>the latitude for elements of horror than is given in creator-owned
>works such as my own TRANSMETROPOLITAN, or PREACHER. My work on
>HELLBLAZER simply makes life too difficult for everybody. So I'm
>moving on. It's the mature thing to do, I think.
>This decision was not taken without regret. But it's the best thing
>to do.
Bravo for standing up for your art form. The loss will be sorely
felt; it's a shame that there aren't enough people out there willing
to take risks for the advancement of the medium.
Damn disappointing, though. You can't imagine the joy I felt when I
read the most recent issue and saw that Hellblazer was finally going
to be a true horror comic again. There aren't enough books like that
out there for my taste...
Mike
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James Dawson
craven Time Warner corporation) would fold like a tent if the media ever
focused unfavorable attention on the content of its books (specifically
PREACHER). This was repeatedly and indignantly denied on this newsgroup
by someone (whose name I forget, but I can dig it up if anyone cares --
it was not Stuart Moore; in fact, it was a woman) who worked for DC.
Within the past two months, we've seen a PREACHER cover changed (the one
where Tulip's dad is presenting her with a gift-wrapped gun) and now this
business with HELLBLAZER. Over in the mainstream DC universe, an
ELSEWORLDS got yanked for showing Superbaby doing things that would kill
a real baby. And those are just the things we *know* about.
I guess I was wrong. It didn't even take outside pressure to make Vertigo
cave -- they are doing the work of right-wing, anti-free-speech idiots
all by themselves.
Along with the fact that Vertigo's books have physically "de-evolved" by
going from good paper stock to bad, this is one more reason why I wish
that the company's best talent would jump ship and go..."elsewhere."
Frankly, PREACHER would probably be just as good if it had an Image logo
on the front -- and probably would be printed on better paper with less
editorial meddling, to boot.
Heck, even the letters page might come back...
--James Dawson
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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Marc Singer
James Dawson <stjame...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>A couple of years ago, I dared to suggest that Vertigo (as an arm of the
>craven Time Warner corporation) would fold like a tent if the media ever
>focused unfavorable attention on the content of its books (specifically
>PREACHER). This was repeatedly and indignantly denied on this newsgroup
>by someone (whose name I forget, but I can dig it up if anyone cares --
>it was not Stuart Moore; in fact, it was a woman) who worked for DC.
Martha Thomases, perhaps? I have no idea, she's just the first poster
whose name came to mind...
>Along with the fact that Vertigo's books have physically "de-evolved" by
>going from good paper stock to bad, this is one more reason why I wish
>that the company's best talent would jump ship and go..."elsewhere."
>Frankly, PREACHER would probably be just as good if it had an Image logo
>on the front -- and probably would be printed on better paper with less
>editorial meddling, to boot.
>
>Heck, even the letters page might come back...
But then we'd miss those charming blurbs about "Happydale" and "Finals"
and some cartoon girl's face. It's not easy being the cutting edge...
Marc
Scott Shupe
>
> Along with the fact that Vertigo's books have physically "de-evolved" by
> going from good paper stock to bad, this is one more reason why I wish
> that the company's best talent would jump ship and go..."elsewhere."
Well, the Preacher team is going over to Marvel once the
series ends, so...
Scott
sh...@ca.metsci.com
"Be careful what you wish for."
Scott J. Promish
news:7n02g1$far$1...@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net...
> I therefore requested that DC Vertigo either make those changes
> themselves and remove my name from the work, or, in the preferred
scenario,
> not publish the work at all. Rather it go unseen than be released in a
> compromised form.
>
> To their credit, DC Vertigo have chosen to not release "Shoot" at
all.
It's a shame. I would have liked to see the story.
Do they really think HELLBLAZER readers are going to be overly sensitive?
James Dawson
ma...@wam.umd.edu (Marc Singer) wrote:
> In article <7n0ss1$h4s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> James Dawson <stjame...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >A couple of years ago, I dared to suggest that Vertigo (as an arm of the
> >craven Time Warner corporation) would fold like a tent if the media ever
> >focused unfavorable attention on the content of its books (specifically
> >PREACHER). This was repeatedly and indignantly denied on this newsgroup
> >by someone (whose name I forget, but I can dig it up if anyone cares --
> >it was not Stuart Moore; in fact, it was a woman) who worked for DC.
>
> Martha Thomases, perhaps? I have no idea, she's just the first poster
> whose name came to mind...
Bingo! (Thanks for not making me have to dig through the Deja News
archives...if they even go back that far...) Martha used to share some
very...um...*interesting* opinions in her posts to this group.
Karon Flage
Scott Shupe wrote:
>
> James Dawson wrote:
> >
> > Along with the fact that Vertigo's books have physically "de-evolved" by
> > going from good paper stock to bad, this is one more reason why I wish
> > that the company's best talent would jump ship and go..."elsewhere."
>
> Well, the Preacher team is going over to Marvel once the
> series ends, so...
>
There is a big difference between going over to Marvel and writing a
miniseries for them. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Ennis let's his
exclusive contract run out, sits down and writes all of the scripts over
the course of a month or so and then signs another exclusive with DC.
Does Dillon have an exclusive with DC?
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Scott Shupe <sh...@ca.metsci.com> wrote:
> Well, the Preacher team is going over to Marvel once the
> series ends, so...
You mean "Punisher" is more than a year away? I was hoping it would be
published sooner, but I never heard a date. Or do you know about
something *other* than "Punisher" that is on the way?
Corey Klemow
> Do they really think HELLBLAZER readers are going to be overly sensitive?
They're not worried about HELLBLAZER readers.
They're worried about one or two clueless parents of HELLBLAZER readers
getting up at arms and alerting the media.
If Vertigo can't work with somebody as individual as Warren Ellis, if we've
reached the point where a much respected writer must resign and be replaced
with a more "manageable" and corporately "acceptable" writer, then I'm outta
here...
The Phantom Mute
>A couple of years ago, I dared to suggest that Vertigo (as an arm of the
>craven Time Warner corporation) would fold like a tent if the media ever
>focused unfavorable attention on the content of its books (specifically
>PREACHER). This was repeatedly and indignantly denied on this newsgroup
>by someone (whose name I forget, but I can dig it up if anyone cares --
>it was not Stuart Moore; in fact, it was a woman) who worked for DC.
>Within the past two months, we've seen a PREACHER cover changed (the one
>where Tulip's dad is presenting her with a gift-wrapped gun) and now this
>business with HELLBLAZER. Over in the mainstream DC universe, an
>ELSEWORLDS got yanked for showing Superbaby doing things that would kill
>a real baby. And those are just the things we *know* about.
We also know about censorship in the last published Hellblazer and
the first issue of Finals...
-Mute.
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Marc Singer <ma...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>In article <7n0ss1$h4s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>James Dawson <stjame...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>But then we'd miss those charming blurbs about "Happydale" and "Finals"
>and some cartoon girl's face.
But look on the bright side. More goth poetry about Death.
Mike
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Paul O'Brien
<stjame...@my-deja.com> writes
>In article <3794DE7F...@ca.metsci.com>,
> Scott Shupe <sh...@ca.metsci.com> wrote:
> > Well, the Preacher team is going over to Marvel once the
>> series ends, so...
>
>You mean "Punisher" is more than a year away? I was hoping it would be
>published sooner, but I never heard a date. Or do you know about
>something *other* than "Punisher" that is on the way?
I think the position is that Garth is going to start Punisher once
his exclusive CONTRACT ends, not necessarily when Preacher ends.
Since Garth said that he wouldn't be doing any more ongoing series
after Punisher finished, this would suggest that he's not planning
to stick around on Hitman for more than another eighteen months or
so.
Paul O'Brien
pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk, www.esoterica.demon.co.uk
Irony in the UK.
Morgan Thomas
The Phantom Mute wrote:
> James Dawson <stjame...@my-deja.com> hammered on a keyboard thus:
>
> >A couple of years ago, I dared to suggest that Vertigo (as an arm of the
> >craven Time Warner corporation) would fold like a tent if the media ever
> >focused unfavorable attention on the content of its books (specifically
> >PREACHER). This was repeatedly and indignantly denied on this newsgroup
> >by someone (whose name I forget, but I can dig it up if anyone cares --
> >it was not Stuart Moore; in fact, it was a woman) who worked for DC.
>
> >Within the past two months, we've seen a PREACHER cover changed (the one
> >where Tulip's dad is presenting her with a gift-wrapped gun) and now this
> >business with HELLBLAZER. Over in the mainstream DC universe, an
> >ELSEWORLDS got yanked for showing Superbaby doing things that would kill
> >a real baby. And those are just the things we *know* about.
>
> We also know about censorship in the last published Hellblazer and
> the first issue of Finals...
Hmm? What censoship on Hellblazer?
James Dawson
Phantom Mute left out an attribution when quoting from this thread. It
was someone else who replied to my message with the line about
"censorship in the last published Hellblazer," not me, so I don't know
the answer to P.M.'s question.
However, this does remind me that last year, in one of Garth Ennis'
issues of Hellblazer, the word "Cunt" in a pre-release version of the
book was changed to a different, and much less effective, word in the
printed version.
'Twas ever thus.
Mirai Wynd
>
> The Phantom Mute wrote:
> > We also know about censorship in the last published Hellblazer and
> > the first issue of Finals...
>
> Hmm? What censoship on Hellblazer?
I believe it was the "Locked" issue (#141? #140?). The art was muddled
up further and toned down to show less of "nuzzled crotches and blasted
intestines." (I'm mangling that horribly, but my brains starting to
short out on me.)
- Mirai
"I'd like it here if I could see you from a long ways away"
Don Brinker's Loooooong Lost Evil Twin
<CKl...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>"Scott J. Promish" wrote:
>
>> Do they really think HELLBLAZER readers are going to be overly sensitive?
>
>They're not worried about HELLBLAZER readers.
>
>They're worried about one or two clueless parents of HELLBLAZER readers
>getting up at arms and alerting the media.
>
Um, wa?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Hellblazer still a Mature Readers
book? i.e. no one under 17 allowed to buy the damned thing?
If that's the case, then I'm not sure a prototypical parent would have
a leg to stand on. Which makes DC's decision all the more lame, come
to think of it.
- Don
Killans - First And Last And Always
Don Brinker's Loooooong Lost Evil Twin <dbrinker@don't.spam.me.pobox.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:06:34 -0700, Corey Klemow
><CKl...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>>"Scott J. Promish" wrote:
>>
>>> Do they really think HELLBLAZER readers are going to be overly sensitive?
>>
>>They're not worried about HELLBLAZER readers.
>>
>>They're worried about one or two clueless parents of HELLBLAZER readers
>>getting up at arms and alerting the media.
>
>book? i.e. no one under 17 allowed to buy the damned thing?
Yes, it's a "mature readers" book, but no, that doesn't mean that
no-one under 17 is allowed to buy it. It's an advisory label, that's
all, there's no specific age limit that comes with it. Who retailers
can sell it to would be down to local interpretations of obscenity/
decency laws, I guess.
John Abitbol
maybe John Constantine could start wearing longjohns, a cape, and quit
cursing. He could also join the JSA, that would be nice too.
that would be neat also if John Byrne could clean it up a bit. really, all
that profanity and beer drinking,....
Or maybe Vertigo could shoot themselves in the second foot, just for
symmetry.
Scott J. Promish <sco...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:7n2mjj$i...@journal.concentric.net...
> steve <steve....@virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:7n02g1$far$1...@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net...
>
> > I therefore requested that DC Vertigo either make those changes
> > themselves and remove my name from the work, or, in the preferred
> scenario,
> > not publish the work at all. Rather it go unseen than be released in a
> > compromised form.
> >
> > To their credit, DC Vertigo have chosen to not release "Shoot" at
> all.
>
> It's a shame. I would have liked to see the story.
>
rakehell
the brouhaha that arose over the censoring of Grant's 'Arcadia' arc in "The
Invisibles".
Warren has run into censorship on "Hellblazer" before, and also on
"Transmetropolitan". Both incidents involved the use of the word 'cock' as
far as I can remember.
Warren, back me up?
These are just the incidents we know about. How many more have there been?
I've also heard that the letters pages were shafted to stop Grant, Warren
and Garth talking about drugs, sex et al in a non-fictional context. Which,
if true, is worse than anything censored within a story.
Everyone knows the 'perils' of working for the big boys and everyone draws
their own line in the sand. Warren's was obviously crossed.
JAn
Loz Pycock
<rake...@earthling.net> wrote:
>But Vertigo has had a fair amount of censorship over the years. I remember
>the brouhaha that arose over the censoring of Grant's 'Arcadia' arc in "The
>Invisibles".
>
>Warren has run into censorship on "Hellblazer" before, and also on
>"Transmetropolitan". Both incidents involved the use of the word 'cock' as
>far as I can remember.
>
>Warren, back me up?
>
>These are just the incidents we know about. How many more have there been?
Stopping Neil Gaiman having Constantine saying "Fuck" repeatedly in
Books of Magic "which led to him using 'felching fuck' instead, which
no editor knew what he meant :)
>
>I've also heard that the letters pages were shafted to stop Grant, Warren
>and Garth talking about drugs, sex et al in a non-fictional context. Which,
>if true, is worse than anything censored within a story.
I'm not too sure about this, they each got around thirty issues to say
what they wanted before the letters pages were discontinued, mainly
for this 'On the Edge' extra thing which really really sucks...
>
>Everyone knows the 'perils' of working for the big boys and everyone draws
>their own line in the sand. Warren's was obviously crossed.
>
>JAn
>
>
Loz.
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The Kid with No Name
And Last And Always) wrote:
>In article <379bd43d...@md.news.verio.net>,
>Don Brinker's Loooooong Lost Evil Twin <dbrinker@don't.spam.me.pobox.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:06:34 -0700, Corey Klemow
>><CKl...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Scott J. Promish" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do they really think HELLBLAZER readers are going to be overly sensitive?
>>>
>>>They're not worried about HELLBLAZER readers.
>>>
>>>They're worried about one or two clueless parents of HELLBLAZER readers
>>>getting up at arms and alerting the media.
>>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Hellblazer still a Mature Readers
>>book? i.e. no one under 17 allowed to buy the damned thing?
>
>Yes, it's a "mature readers" book, but no, that doesn't mean that
>no-one under 17 is allowed to buy it. It's an advisory label, that's
>all, there's no specific age limit that comes with it. Who retailers
>can sell it to would be down to local interpretations of obscenity/
>decency laws, I guess.
Before I turned 18, I was stopped from buying Hellblazer many times.
They made it clear that it was illegal without parent's conscent.
Whether this is true or not I don't know, but not until I became very
buddy-buddy with shop owners was I able to get mature readers stuff.
The Kid with No Name
<stjame...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <3796696E...@bc.sympatico.ca>,
> Morgan...@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>>
>>
>> The Phantom Mute wrote:
>>
>> > James Dawson <stjame...@my-deja.com> hammered on a keyboard thus:
>> >
>> > >A couple of years ago, I dared to suggest that Vertigo (as an arm of the
>> > >craven Time Warner corporation) would fold like a tent if the media ever
>> > >focused unfavorable attention on the content of its books (specifically
>> > >PREACHER). This was repeatedly and indignantly denied on this newsgroup
>> > >by someone (whose name I forget, but I can dig it up if anyone cares --
>> > >it was not Stuart Moore; in fact, it was a woman) who worked for DC.
>> >
>> > >Within the past two months, we've seen a PREACHER cover changed (the one
>> > >where Tulip's dad is presenting her with a gift-wrapped gun) and now this
>> > >business with HELLBLAZER. Over in the mainstream DC universe, an
>> > >ELSEWORLDS got yanked for showing Superbaby doing things that would kill
>> > >a real baby. And those are just the things we *know* about.
>> >
>> > We also know about censorship in the last published Hellblazer and
>> > the first issue of Finals...
>>
>> Hmm? What censoship on Hellblazer?
>
>
>Phantom Mute left out an attribution when quoting from this thread. It
>was someone else who replied to my message with the line about
>"censorship in the last published Hellblazer," not me, so I don't know
>the answer to P.M.'s question.
>
>However, this does remind me that last year, in one of Garth Ennis'
>issues of Hellblazer, the word "Cunt" in a pre-release version of the
>book was changed to a different, and much less effective, word in the
>printed version.
Are you sure? Becuse the one I have says "Cunt" in it.
James Dawson
I saw a black-and-white pre-release version that my comics' dealer
received of the first issue of Ennis' comeback (Hellblazer 129), where
Constantine is asked to describe the issue's bad guy. In a panel that
shows only Constantine, at bottom center of page 21, he has a word
balloon with the single word "Cunt" in it. In the published copy I have
of that book when it was actually released, the word "Cunt" has been
changed to "Dogshit." If your published copy has "Cunt," then one of us
has a collector's item...and I think it's you.
wcr...@concentric.net
>In article <29d26b6c.1005797@news>,
> Transf...@hotmail.com (The Kid with No Name) wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:26:10 GMT, James Dawson
>> <stjame...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >However, this does remind me that last year, in one of Garth Ennis'
>> >issues of Hellblazer, the word "Cunt" in a pre-release version of the
>> >book was changed to a different, and much less effective, word in the
>> >printed version.
Much less effective, IMHO. At least he immediate context should have been
changed also.
>> Are you sure? Becuse the one I have says "Cunt" in it.
The one you have is an issue or two later. They finally let Ennis use the
word cunt. IIRC at the time the issue came out someone in the newsgroup
said it was beaten to the punch by another Vertigo book. House of Secrets,
maybe? Anyone?
bill
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>On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:41:09 +1000, "rakehell"
><rake...@earthling.net> wrote:
>>But Vertigo has had a fair amount of censorship over the years. I remember
>>the brouhaha that arose over the censoring of Grant's 'Arcadia' arc in "The
>>Invisibles".
>>
>>Warren has run into censorship on "Hellblazer" before, and also on
>>"Transmetropolitan". Both incidents involved the use of the word 'cock' as
>>far as I can remember.
>>
>>Warren, back me up?
>>
>>These are just the incidents we know about. How many more have there been?
>Stopping Neil Gaiman having Constantine saying "Fuck" repeatedly in
>Books of Magic "which led to him using 'felching fuck' instead, which
>no editor knew what he meant :)
Felching heck, you meant to say. And that was not only pre-Vertigo,
but DCU.
-Mute.
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As Isaid, it depends on local interpretations of local laws. Maybe
the seller genuinely felt that selling you Hellblazer would have
been considered a violation of local obscenity laws, or maybe he
was spinning you a line. I don't know. But there's no hard-and-fast
national law either in the US or the UK saying that you have to
be over 18 to buy a "Mature Reader" comic.
--
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mcol...@nyx.net
Lots42
>"Shoot" concerned the recent spate of child-on-child schoolyard slayings in
>American schools. Its creation and treatment predated the Columbine
>massacre. At the last moment, DC's executive level felt that the story could
>not go out in its original form.
Sure, but they release an Ellis written story involving mass murder of babies
and the torture-death of a man with a pair of nail clippers. Fucking
hypocrites.
>Given this, and other situations where I have been required to make or
>submit to alterations to make my HELLBLAZER work more palatable to the
>company,
So that's why the work was so different. I was wondering what was going on...
You know, you hear about these things happening in X-MEN and other Marvel
books. You'd think DC would have more sense.
(If I had any control, I'd have had Ellis write an explanatory
'head-off-damage-by-showing-common-sense' blurb on the front page of the
story.)
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perhaps."
>Batman, Arkham Asylum; A Serious House on Serious Earth, Morrison and
McKean.
Y'all know this was censored too, right?
I remember reading an interview with I Grant that said because this came out
after the first Batman flick, Warner Brothers was even dictating how long
the "ears" on Batman's cowl could be...
ttyl
Baytor
>> Are you sure? Becuse the one I have says "Cunt" in it.
> The one you have is an issue or two later. They finally let Ennis use the
> word cunt. IIRC at the time the issue came out someone in the newsgroup
> said it was beaten to the punch by another Vertigo book. House of Secrets,
> maybe? Anyone?
This really doesn't have anything to do with anything, but it is pretty funny
that "cunt" is the last naughty word that's taboo. I remember Ennis saying that
was the only word that DC wouldn't let him use.
--
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"You're going to listen to me, to something I said? Jesus, man! Haven't I made
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Loz Pycock
<nathani...@wmich.edu> wrote:
>>"Sometimes it's only madness that makes us what we are. Or destiny
>perhaps."
>>Batman, Arkham Asylum; A Serious House on Serious Earth, Morrison and
>McKean.
>
>
>Y'all know this was censored too, right?
I know that there was going to be a much stronger homosexual thing
between the Joker and Bats, anything else?
And if anyone cares, can they settle an argument a friend and I are
having, in the above quote, is Batman saying destiny as in the pull of
the future, or Destiny as in Doctor Destiny. I believe the former but
he's convinced of the latter...
>
>I remember reading an interview with I Grant that said because this came out
>after the first Batman flick, Warner Brothers was even dictating how long
>the "ears" on Batman's cowl could be...
>ttyl
>
Loz.
"Sometimes it's only madness that makes us what we are. Or destiny perhaps."
Batman, Arkham Asylum; A Serious House on Serious Earth, Morrison and McKean.
Adeheathen
<nathani...@wmich.edu> writes:
>I remember reading an interview with I Grant that said because this came out
>after the first Batman flick, Warner Brothers was even dictating how long
>the "ears" on Batman's cowl could be...
>ttyl
>
and the joker couldn't pat Batty on the botty and make reference to the Boy
Wonder, in a homoerotic sort of way.
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Adeheathen
writes:
>This really doesn't have anything to do with anything, but it is pretty funny
>that "cunt" is the last naughty word that's taboo. I remember Ennis saying
>that
>was the only word that DC wouldn't let him use.
>
hence "Chunt" - the CH pronounced as in CHrist.
Duncan
Adeheathen <adehe...@aol.compervan> wrote in message
news:19990729051234...@ngol07.aol.com...
> In article <379EB6E2...@bellsouth.net>, Baytor
<bay...@bellsouth.net>
> writes:
>
> >This really doesn't have anything to do with anything, but it is pretty
funny
> >that "cunt" is the last naughty word that's taboo. I remember Ennis
saying
> >that
> >was the only word that DC wouldn't let him use.
> >
>
> hence "Chunt" - the CH pronounced as in CHrist.
Worst for that is the current MysteryMen series. Mofackey? What the hell is
a 'mofackey'? (Good start though. Not Vertigo though.)
Adeheathen
<dun...@airstream.co.uk> writes:
>Worst for that is the current MysteryMen series. Mofackey? What the hell is
>a 'mofackey'? (Good start though. Not Vertigo though.)
>
I thought talking about swearing in any arena WAS on topic for the Vertigo
group ?
in fact I thought we just had to swear and we could talk about whatever we like
?
does any FAQer know ?