Rob Liefeld at DC
Clarence Rutherford
Liefeld's artwork. His work has a few problems such as anatomy, and
the fact that he usually just draws poses and pin-ups rather than
using the pictures in a storytelling manner, but he still has a nice
style.
I was thinking it might be nice to get him to draw a DC Comic. I
think he would be fine on Green Lantern, The Flash, Nightwing, or
Green Arrow. I'm not sure if he is able to do a monthly series since
does have a problem getting stuff out on time, so maybe he could just
do a limited series for DC (maybe something with The Creeper, The
Metal Men, or The Global Guardians).
But if DC does get Liefeld to do some work for them I hope it's
strictly as an artist. I enjoy his artwork, but he's not a good
writer. If he was paired with a top notch writer I think you could
end up with a hot seller. I think I would like to see him work on a
Seven Soldiers of Victory limited series (with Green Arrow) written by
Geoff Johns.
Would anyone else like to see Liefeld do some art for DC?
Janus
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> Sometimes I get the impression that I'm the only one who likes Rob
> Liefeld's artwork. His work has a few problems such as anatomy, and
> the fact that he usually just draws poses and pin-ups rather than
> using the pictures in a storytelling manner, but he still has a nice
> style.
I liked his Hawk and Dove mini. That's it. He's become generic now. I
group his artwork with Todd Mcfarlane and Erik Larsen.
> I was thinking it might be nice to get him to draw a DC Comic. I
> think he would be fine on Green Lantern, The Flash, Nightwing, or
> Green Arrow.
I hope not.
> I'm not sure if he is able to do a monthly series since
> does have a problem getting stuff out on time, so maybe he could just
> do a limited series for DC (maybe something with The Creeper, The
> Metal Men, or The Global Guardians).
Sure, since nothing's being done with them now.
> But if DC does get Liefeld to do some work for them I hope it's
> strictly as an artist. I enjoy his artwork, but he's not a good
> writer. If he was paired with a top notch writer I think you could
> end up with a hot seller. I think I would like to see him work on a
> Seven Soldiers of Victory limited series (with Green Arrow) written by
> Geoff Johns.
>
> Would anyone else like to see Liefeld do some art for DC?
>
If it's in a limited series, and with seldom used characters, I agree.
Otherwise, I've had enough of Rob.
If you want to see more of his work, keep an eye out for Fabian Nicieza's
new Deadpool/Cable book. I think he's only doing the covers, but I may be
wrong.
--
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing. -- Edward Burke
Dan McEwen
> Sometimes I get the impression that I'm the only one who likes Rob
> Liefeld's artwork. His work has a few problems such as anatomy, and
> the fact that he usually just draws poses and pin-ups rather than
> using the pictures in a storytelling manner, but he still has a nice
> style.
Except that the mouths are always open. And he rips off other artists
and his own stuff (there's a webpage out there that proves this). And
he draws men with enormous tits.
> Would anyone else like to see Liefeld do some art for DC?
As long as he doesn't do anything I read.
--
Dan
a.a. #1617
Dan McEwen
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> revaebo...@hotmail.com (Clarence Rutherford) wrote in
> news:c4cfdd99.0308...@posting.google.com:
>
>> Sometimes I get the impression that I'm the only one who likes Rob
>> Liefeld's artwork. His work has a few problems such as anatomy, and
>> the fact that he usually just draws poses and pin-ups rather than
>> using the pictures in a storytelling manner, but he still has a nice
>> style.
>
> I liked his Hawk and Dove mini. That's it. He's become generic now. I
> group his artwork with Todd Mcfarlane and Erik Larsen.
Actually, as it turns out, you liked Karl Kessel's re-working of
Liefeld's stuff on H&D.
--
Dan
a.a. #1617
Janus
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You may be right. I loved Kesel's work with Mcdonnell on Suicide Squad.
Clem Clambake
"Clarence Rutherford" <revaebo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
>
> Would anyone else like to see Liefeld do some art for DC?
Absolutely not.
Christian Smith
Rutherford) wrote
>
>Would anyone else like to see Liefeld do some art for DC?
A reunion Hawk and Dove mini series would be kinda cool
Christian
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Paul O'Brien
Rutherford <revaebo...@hotmail.com> writes
>Sometimes I get the impression that I'm the only one who likes Rob
>Liefeld's artwork. His work has a few problems such as anatomy, and
>the fact that he usually just draws poses and pin-ups rather than using
>the pictures in a storytelling manner, but he still has a nice style.
Well, I agree with most of the above paragraph...
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Franklin Harris
> Sometimes I get the impression that I'm the only one who likes Rob
> Liefeld's artwork.
Unfortunately not.
--
Franklin Harris
Pulp Culture Online, www.pulpculture.net
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alt.horror, 2/21/03
MichaelMychael19
when they were looking to rework the Legion about four years ago. I would have
liked to have seen that, but I think that Legion fans got a pretty good deal
with DnA taking over instead.
Clarence Rutherford
I'm just wondering if he can crank out a monthly series. Most of
those Image guys got so lazy when they were able to put out the comics
whenever they felt like it, that they ended up losing lots of fans.
Had they been a bit more professional I think Image could have been
more successful.
If Liefeld does do a monthly book for DC, I would want to see the book
on the stands monthly. Slow shipping is a great way to cause people
to lose interest in the material. I can't imagine that anyone is
really still interested in Kevin Smith's Black Cat limited series for
Marvel since he still hasn't completed it. Marvel should never have
began printing that until he had turned in the complete project. I'm
not sure why it takes Smith so long to write the comics since I don't
see anything really impressive about his work. I think Smith is
highly overrated.
Liefeld's messed up by shipping late, but I also think his attempts at
writing hurt his work. He should have stuck to the art and left the
writing to writers.
I think getting Liefeld to handle the art for a DC book could result
in some nice sales. He could be paired with a hot writer for a
limited series (Seven Soldiers of Victory, The Creeper, Hawk & Dove,
The Metal Men, Global Guardians, etc.) but DC would likely want to use
him to boost sales on an existing monthly title in the same manner
they have used Jim Lee.
I think it would be interested to pair Liefeld with Grant Morrison on
Green Lantern. Harley Quinn, Robin, and Birds of Prey could all
benefit from bringing in Liefeld for to handle the art. They might
just want to pair him with a writer for an arc on JLA.
MichaelMychael19
>those Image guys got so lazy when they were able to put out the comics
>whenever they felt like it, that they ended up losing lots of fans.
>Had they been a bit more professional I think Image could have been
>more successful.
>He could be paired with a hot writer for a
>limited series
I know that Rob could do a monthly book as long as you could keep him away from
too many distractions. As for the reason I used the second quote, Rob is
currently putting out a new Youngblood book that is written by Mark Miller
(Ultimates, Ult X-men, Authority). It being published by Aracade Comics. I've
heard good things and am currently waiting on a copy that's "in trasit".
Michael
> Sometimes I get the impression that I'm the only one who likes Rob
> Liefeld's artwork. His work has a few problems such as anatomy, and
> the fact that he usually just draws poses and pin-ups rather than
> using the pictures in a storytelling manner, but he still has a nice
> style.
Sadly, anatomy and storytelling ability are usually pretty important to
a comic book artist.
> I was thinking it might be nice to get him to draw a DC Comic. I
> think he would be fine on Green Lantern, The Flash, Nightwing, or
> Green Arrow. I'm not sure if he is able to do a monthly series since
> does have a problem getting stuff out on time, so maybe he could just
> do a limited series for DC (maybe something with The Creeper, The
> Metal Men, or The Global Guardians).
Maybe a Bizarro mini. That might make his artistic problems a little
less noticable since Bizarro anatomy could be alittle bizarre and if the
storytelling's wonky he could always say that the story is being told in
a Bizarro style. :)
> But if DC does get Liefeld to do some work for them I hope it's
> strictly as an artist. I enjoy his artwork, but he's not a good
> writer. If he was paired with a top notch writer I think you could
> end up with a hot seller. I think I would like to see him work on a
> Seven Soldiers of Victory limited series (with Green Arrow) written by
> Geoff Johns.
I can't see him doing anything that's not sci-fi-oriented in it's
designs. I shudder to think of his Shining Knight.
> Would anyone else like to see Liefeld do some art for DC?
Not really.
Michael
Josephthomann
I thought DC was only hiring quality talent these days. Liefeld is the
definition of "hack", as much for his "art" as for his "writing".
Samy Merchi
> Sadly, anatomy and storytelling ability are usually pretty
> important to a comic book artist.
Not to all readers.
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MichaelMychael19 <michaelm...@aol.com> writes
>
>I know that Rob could do a monthly book as long as you could keep him
>away from too many distractions.
Since he's never succeeded in doing one without regular fill-ins before,
and his ability to keep schedules has only deteriorated over time, I
don't believe he could for a second.
Paul O'Brien
<joseph...@aol.com> writes
>
>I thought DC was only hiring quality talent these days. Liefeld is the
>definition of "hack", as much for his "art" as for his "writing".
The odd thing about Liefeld is that most people who've met him and
worked with him report that he's anything but a hack - he's genuinely
enthusiastic and passionate about what he does.
What you get when you buy a Liefeld comic is not Liefeld phoning it in
because he can get away with it. That is genuinely what he has to
offer. That's his thing. Liefeld's problem is not that he doesn't try;
it's that his ability is rather limited.
Chad
(MichaelMychael19) wrote:
>I know that Rob could do a monthly book as long as you could keep him away from
>too many distractions. As for the reason I used the second quote, Rob is
>currently putting out a new Youngblood book that is written by Mark Miller
>(Ultimates, Ult X-men, Authority). It being published by Aracade Comics. I've
>heard good things and am currently waiting on a copy that's "in trasit".
I picked up a copy at San Diego - it's a mediocre storyline and
sub-par artwork. About what I expected from a Youngblood title. Of
course there's plenty of gratuitous sexual references and over-the-top
violence which normally I find amusing from Millar but here it just
seems like he's venting all of his bad ideas.
-Chad
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Dave Menard
"Paul O'Brien" <pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <20030802235326...@mb-m11.aol.com>, Josephthomann
> <joseph...@aol.com> writes
> >
> >I thought DC was only hiring quality talent these days. Liefeld is the
> >definition of "hack", as much for his "art" as for his "writing".
>
> The odd thing about Liefeld is that most people who've met him and
> worked with him report that he's anything but a hack - he's genuinely
> enthusiastic and passionate about what he does.
That's what's always made me feel sorry for the guy- he's the Ed Wood of
comics. He seems like a really nice guy, and there's this sense you get from
him that he has a real and total love for the medium, and all the enthusiasm
and best intentions in the world. Only he can't, for the life of him, pull
off a piece of work that isn't a total PoS.
--
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"Cthulhu, I Choose You!"
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Paul O'Brien
Dave Menard <menard...@SPAMrogers.com> writes
>
>That's what's always made me feel sorry for the guy- he's the Ed Wood
>of comics.
Well, Liefeld at least had a period of considerable success. More than
poor Ed ever got.
You know, there are people who will seriously argue for Ed Wood's films
having merit as outsider art...
Sanctify
> In message <kTaXa.91565$rsJ...@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
> Dave Menard <menard...@SPAMrogers.com> writes
> >
> >That's what's always made me feel sorry for the guy- he's the Ed Wood
> >of comics.
>
> Well, Liefeld at least had a period of considerable success. More than
> poor Ed ever got.
>
> You know, there are people who will seriously argue for Ed Wood's films
> having merit as outsider art...
I constantly argue with people who insist that Ed Wood made the worst movies
ever. I keep pointing out that Kevin Costner should have that mantle for
Waterworld and The Postman. At least Ed Wood made movies that were
entertaining. Costner makes excrement with a budget the size of a small
country's deficiet. I'd love to have seen what Ed would have done with
$100,000,000 in the kitty.
Ken
"Clarence Rutherford" <revaebo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Liefeld's artwork. His work has a few problems such as anatomy, and
> the fact that he usually just draws poses and pin-ups rather than
> using the pictures in a storytelling manner, but he still has a nice
> style.
>
> I was thinking it might be nice to get him to draw a DC Comic.
It's a "comic BOOK" for a reason: to tell stories. Posters are one thing.
Books are another.
Also, considering how much of comics and in comic posters tend to feature
people, anatomy is kinda important too.
Now if he was doing abstract posters or posters featuring machinery or
objects, fine. Go to it.
-- Ken from Chicago
Paul O'Brien
<sanc...@kagpublishing.dot.com> writes
>
>I constantly argue with people who insist that Ed Wood made the worst
>movies ever. I keep pointing out that Kevin Costner should have that
>mantle for Waterworld and The Postman. At least Ed Wood made movies
>that were entertaining.
It is certainly arguable that Wood's movies are so entertainingly awful
- albeit unintentionally - that they CAN'T be the worst movies ever
made. After all, people do enjoy watching them. The worst movie ever
made is surely something boring.
Wood may be atrocious, but he at least offers entertainment and - from
time to time - self-expression. Never competence, but you can't have
everything.
Sanctify
> In message <1059957715.544639@teuthos>, Sanctify
> <sanc...@kagpublishing.dot.com> writes
> >
> >I constantly argue with people who insist that Ed Wood made the worst
> >movies ever. I keep pointing out that Kevin Costner should have that
> >mantle for Waterworld and The Postman. At least Ed Wood made movies
> >that were entertaining.
>
> It is certainly arguable that Wood's movies are so entertainingly awful
> - albeit unintentionally - that they CAN'T be the worst movies ever
> made. After all, people do enjoy watching them. The worst movie ever
> made is surely something boring.
Such as the examples I've already stated - tell me that The Postman isn't
merely an cure for insomnia, and I've yet to meet anyone that has either 1]
sat through Waterworld, 2] admitted to sitting through all of Waterworld and
3] enjoyed Waterworld..
>
> Wood may be atrocious, but he at least offers entertainment and - from
> time to time - self-expression. Never competence, but you can't have
> everything.
Wood was entertaining on many, many levels. In the end he did the best with
what he had - which wasn't a lot - and that was that. People like Costner
win Oscars for unoriginal pap and then believe that they're the greatest
directors on the face of the earth.
Dave Menard
"Sanctify" <sanc...@kagpublishing.dot.com> wrote in message
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See, that's exactly my point- Like Ed Wood, Liefeld *can* be entertaining...
although only because he's just that awful. It's like watching a train
wreck- you can't look away.
Dan McEwen
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> Michael <jan...@charter.net> wrote on 03 elo 2003:
>
>> Sadly, anatomy and storytelling ability are usually pretty
>> important to a comic book artist.
>
> Not to all readers.
The storytelling ability is more important to me than anatomy. Not all
styles require perfect anatomy. Liefeld's stuff, though, is just bad.
--
Dan
a.a. #1617
Sanctify
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Actually Dave I think Rob is more like Costner - one fleeting moment of
glory, after which he spends his entire life producing utter shit in the
vain hope that lightning will strike twice.
Andrew Ryan Chang
>What you get when you buy a Liefeld comic is not Liefeld phoning it in
>because he can get away with it. That is genuinely what he has to
>offer. That's his thing. Liefeld's problem is not that he doesn't try;
>it's that his ability is rather limited.
I guess I don't quite see why a guy who *cares* wouldn't make some
sort of improvement over time. As far as I can tell, his command of
rendering musculature, hands, facial expressions, and overall layout
hasn't changed much in 10+ years.
--
"AAA is on the record against virtually every proposal for cutting
automobile pollution."
Franklin Harris
>
> Actually Dave I think Rob is more like Costner - one fleeting moment of
> glory, after which he spends his entire life producing utter shit in the
> vain hope that lightning will strike twice.
And I think he's like Costner in that even his "one fleeting moment of
glory" is pretty crap, too.
Paul O'Brien
<arc...@sfu.ca> writes
>
> I guess I don't quite see why a guy who *cares* wouldn't make
>some
>sort of improvement over time.
Because he can't. This is the limit of his ability.
The Napoleon of Crime
> Would anyone else like to see Liefeld do some art for DC?
If they re-instated the Hostess Twinkee ads on the back covers and
Liefeld did the artwork for them, I'd be OK with that.
Otherwise, no.
"The first time I saw Todd's art, I said, `Wow,
this guy is going to become a millionaire and
attack me in the letters column of his own comic
book.' And darned if I wasn't right."
-- Peter David
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Sanctify
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>
> "Sanctify" <sanc...@kagpublishing.dot.com> wrote in message
> news:1059982490.660913@teuthos...
> >
> > Actually Dave I think Rob is more like Costner - one fleeting moment of
> > glory, after which he spends his entire life producing utter shit in the
> > vain hope that lightning will strike twice.
>
> And I think he's like Costner in that even his "one fleeting moment of
> glory" is pretty crap, too.
At least someone got it.
Ken
"Clarence Rutherford" <revaebo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sometimes I get the impression that I'm the only one who likes Rob
> Liefeld's artwork. His work has a few problems such as anatomy, and
> the fact that he usually just draws poses and pin-ups rather than
> using the pictures in a storytelling manner, but he still has a nice
> style.
<snip>
If anatomy and the lack of storytelling isn't that big a deal, then why do
*you* buy comic books? It's not an attack, but I was just wondering what you
are looking for in a comic book? Considering you like Liefeld's style, I'm
guessing you're not just buying comics as an investment, so what is it?
-- Ken from Chicago
Michael
I'm not saying you have to be PERFECT at both to be any good, just that
those two things, both of which Liefield happens to be pretty awkward
at, tend to be important attributes to an artist in the industry.
Michael
Me, The Bear, up a tree on Hampstead Heath
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Clarence Rutherford
Anatomy doesn't matter much since every comic book artist exagerates
anatomy. There aren't real people shaped like any of those comic book
characters. Most superheroes are stretched to make them several heads
taller than even the most muscled up humans.
As far as storytelling, that's why there are word balloons.
CleV
Rutherford) wrote:
>Anatomy doesn't matter much since every comic book artist exagerates
>anatomy. There aren't real people shaped like any of those comic book
>characters. Most superheroes are stretched to make them several heads
>taller than even the most muscled up humans.
You have to know the rules of anatomy before you break them.
Dan McEwen
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> i like his work in an art way and its great for a one or two issue
> run.
Liefeld's stuff is only ever any good if he has a great inker.
--
Dan
a.a. #1617
Andrew Ryan Chang
>Anatomy doesn't matter much since every comic book artist exagerates
>anatomy. There aren't real people shaped like any of those comic book
>characters. Most superheroes are stretched to make them several heads
>taller than even the most muscled up humans.
No, but there's stylized and then there's just plain wrong. Dale
Keown's Hulk was far far beyond the limits of human bodybuilding, but it
looked good *and plausible (within the limits of the title)*. OTOH, I
vaguely recall artists like Stephen Platt who put muscles seemingly
without regard to logic or real-world anatomy; that usually just looks
wrong.
>As far as storytelling, that's why there are word balloons.
Word balloons fixing basic problems like figuring out who's
punching who or where the characters are in a given scene are a very weak
fix.
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>"Ken" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> If anatomy and the lack of storytelling isn't that big a deal, then why do
>> *you* buy comic books? It's not an attack, but I was just wondering what
>> you are looking for in a comic book? Considering you like Liefeld's
>> style, I'm guessing you're not just buying comics as an investment,
>> so what is it?
[snip]
>As far as storytelling, that's why there are word balloons.
Which goes back to the first rule of comics: Tell, don't show.
--Doug Tonks
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>revaebo...@hotmail.com (Clarence Rutherford) wrote in message news:<c4cfdd99.0308...@posting.google.com>...
>> Would anyone else like to see Liefeld do some art for DC?
> "The first time I saw Todd's art, I said, `Wow,
> this guy is going to become a millionaire and
> attack me in the letters column of his own comic
> book.' And darned if I wasn't right."
>
> -- Peter David
>
> Jeff Meyer, N.C., N.Q.D.Y.
> [Not Quite Dead Yet]
>
> © 2003 by Jeff Meyer
>
>Originally posted to Usenet. Please, redistribute this article
>in its entirety and without alterations. Thank you!
I like the quote in your sig, where did PAD say this?
Lynley
Glenn Simpson
> On 5 Aug 2003 14:04:18 -0700, revaebo...@hotmail.com (Clarence
> Rutherford) wrote:
>
> >Anatomy doesn't matter much since every comic book artist exagerates
> >anatomy. There aren't real people shaped like any of those comic book
> >characters. Most superheroes are stretched to make them several heads
> >taller than even the most muscled up humans.
>
> You have to know the rules of anatomy before you break them.
>
On the other hand, you do have to know the rules of anatomy in order
to notice when they are broken.
CleV
Just imagine ... Liefeld inked by Siekiewicz ...!
Clarence Rutherford
think he's a far better artist than Tim Sale. Rob was a superstar
artist in the 1990s and I think he still has a large number of fans,
he just needs to be more disciplined about completing projects and
could probably benefit from working on a high profile project for DC
or Marvel. And, of course, he should NEVER attempt to write again.
I bet if I said I wanted McFarlane to do some work for DC there would
be a lot of support for that idea.
Ken
"Andrew Ryan Chang" <arc...@sfu.ca> wrote in message
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> Clarence Rutherford <revaebo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Anatomy doesn't matter much since every comic book artist exagerates
> >anatomy. There aren't real people shaped like any of those comic book
> >characters. Most superheroes are stretched to make them several heads
> >taller than even the most muscled up humans.
>
> No, but there's stylized and then there's just plain wrong. Dale
> Keown's Hulk was far far beyond the limits of human bodybuilding, but it
> looked good *and plausible (within the limits of the title)*. OTOH, I
> vaguely recall artists like Stephen Platt who put muscles seemingly
> without regard to logic or real-world anatomy; that usually just looks
> wrong.
Liam Sharpe.
At about the time INCREDIBLE HULK came out with the famous "AIDS" issue, one
of the characters Peter David had written to show up had been some villain
who in previous appearance had been quite slim but Liam had drawn him as
this overmuscled geek. Peter was forced to add a line in the comic where
Bruce Banner commented he could barely recognize the guy.
> >As far as storytelling, that's why there are word balloons.
>
> Word balloons fixing basic problems like figuring out who's
> punching who or where the characters are in a given scene are a very weak
> fix.
EDITING.
After the launch of Image Comics, including Liefeld's then new comic
YOUNGBLOOD, I remember an interview in WIZARD magazine by then contributing
editor, Patrick Daniel O'Neill, with Liefeld. At one point in trying to
understand the job structure of a comics company owned by the visual
artists, and after repeated questioning Liefeld never seemed to grasp the
PURPOSE of an "editor" beyond being a scheduling manager. He seemed to have
difficulty either understanding, admitting or acknowledging the concept that
at other comic publish companies an editor could seen back visuals for
modifications, revisions or simply reject them out right and demand complete
redrawing. It was shortly after reading that interview that I stumbled on
some 1980's issues of DC's HAWK AND DOVE and was stunned in comparison to
NEW MUTANTS, X-FORCE and YOUNGBLOOD: all four were by Liefeld, but the
problems that plague the latter three were completely solved in HAWK AND
DOVE.
> --
> "We believe in opportunity for all Americans: Rich and poor, black and
> white...."
> --George W. Bush (speech at Bob Jones University, 2/2/00)
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken
For all McFarlane's scheduling and writing "issues", his visuals held up and
still hold up. You could place characters within a setting, inside, outside,
in a room, floating, standing, etc. His characters didn't seem stiff,
constantly in poses. Also McFarlane understands the concept of a
"wrist"--specifically that most wrists are SMALLER than one's hands.
-- Ken from Chicago
Todd
> Paul O'Brien <pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >What you get when you buy a Liefeld comic is not Liefeld phoning it in
> >because he can get away with it. That is genuinely what he has to
> >offer. That's his thing. Liefeld's problem is not that he doesn't try;
> >it's that his ability is rather limited.
>
> I guess I don't quite see why a guy who *cares* wouldn't make some
> sort of improvement over time. As far as I can tell, his command of
> rendering musculature, hands, facial expressions, and overall layout
> hasn't changed much in 10+ years.
Hey, what's with all the Liefeld bashing? Let's see what the guy has
to say for himself:
"I think that I was very successful when I was twenty years old, and a
lot of the youth that I had then played against me. I got slammed at a
very young age, but I was not a very good artist at that age. I
probably should not have had the level of success that I had."
(From a Silverbullet interview)
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/features/97082851826138.htm
Couldn't agree, Rob.
Dave Menard
Sure! I don't like Todd-the-businessman, Todd-the-writer, or
Todd-the-creator, but I hold in great esteem Todd-the-penciller. I have in
mind his run on Infinity Inc. back in 84-85 or thereabouts, before he
developed his signature "lumpy-face" style. In his larval stage, his figures
and faces looked like Neal Adams' work, yet he already had he gorgeous,
cinematic sense for layout and storytelling. The was a scene wher Todd,
Jenni-Lynn, Marcie and Norda went to a dance club and chat pleasantly with a
friend. Simple stuff, but Todd makes it jump off the page, without seeming
at all artificial.
McFarlane may be a prick as a human being (I don't know the man personally,
but I get that impression from some of his business dealings and press
quotes) but he's got the artistic chops Liefeld lacks. Clarence, I don't
know you from adam, but take my advice here: get youself a stack of old
McFarlane books, right up to the point where he became huge on Hulk- maybe
the Gray Hulk-Wolverine story as a finishing point. Take an equivalent
number of Liefeld books- say, from X-Force to Youngblood. Contrast and
compare not just their figures, but how the images carry the story across
the page, from panel to panel. See if there's not something to what I'm
saying here.
I'll say again, as I've said in previous posts- Liefeld seems to be a really
nice guy. I'm sure he's a good husband and parent, and a helluva good
friend- but a few (VERY isolated moments of greatness) do not talent make. I
will say this much for him- he's improving. His Kirby tribute in Supreme:
The Return Ish.6 showed more storytelling ability than I'd ever seen him
display before- I almost didn't realize it was him until the last three
pages. So there's hope for him yet, I suppose.
Jeremy Henderson
us thusly:
>Clarence Rutherford (revaebo...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
>>"Ken" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>news:<YKLXa.299$Ih1.2...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
>>>
>>> If anatomy and the lack of storytelling isn't that big a deal, then why do
>>> *you* buy comic books? It's not an attack, but I was just wondering what
>>> you are looking for in a comic book? Considering you like Liefeld's
>>> style, I'm guessing you're not just buying comics as an investment,
>>> so what is it?
>
>[snip]
>
>>As far as storytelling, that's why there are word balloons.
>
>Which goes back to the first rule of comics: Tell, don't show.
I'm assuming you're either being ironic here or made a typo.
_______________________________
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Jeremy Henderson
Yes, but there's exaggeration, and then there's simply being unable to
draw a human form. Many of Liefeld's "stylistic" choices seem to be
deliberately there to cover up shortcomings in his work. Note how
often he draws figures in the exact same pose: arms out to the side,
hands clenched into fists, feet held close together as if the
character's walking a tightrope. He doesn't just use that pose over
and over because he likes it, he does it because it's a pose he can
draw easily.
I used to do the same as a kid, drew the same damn picture over and
over of a guy with his arms crossed across his chest (and through use
of different clothing and headwear made him a spaceman or Viking or
whatever). Why did I use that same pose over and over? Because it was
the only one I could draw, and because I couldn't do hands worth a
damn.
Beyond anatomy, he has a pretty poor grasp of a lot of basic artistic
techniques, like simple perspective and proportions. In his Captain
America run, Cap's shield would often change sizes from panel to
panel, going from the size of a dinner plate to 3 feet wide at random
intervals.
Liefeld has a long history of swiping other people's work as well,
which makes him a pretty worthless artist in my eyes.
>As far as storytelling, that's why there are word balloons.
Ask comics writers how much they like working with artists who don't
understand how to make a comic story flow from panel to panel. If the
words were everything, we wouldn't need comics, we'd just have plain
text books and artists doing pinups. It's the synthesis of both that
makes comics a special medium.
Magius
Rutherford) wrote:
I bet there wouldn't. From what I've seen in this and other comic
newsgroups McFarlane is almost as hated as Liefeld. I for one never
cared for eithers work especially McFarlane's rubberman Spider-Man. I
think Liefeld alienated many fans and pros with his attitude and that
is why people tend to dislike him.
Lynley
The Napoleon of Crime
> > "The first time I saw Todd's art, I said, `Wow,
> > this guy is going to become a millionaire and
> > attack me in the letters column of his own comic
> > book.' And darned if I wasn't right."
> >
> > -- Peter David
>
I believe I got it from one of his BUT I DIGRESS... columns (I have a
TPB collection of them.)
Back on-subject: I'm in the middle of reading the 2nd big "Alan Moore
turns 50" book about Moore out there -- this one includes a very long
interview with Moore. Anyway, his opinion of Liefeld isn't great
(though it's fairly polite.)
Certainly better than his opinion of DC, though.
"I am the Lord, your God. Thou shalt worship no
other God before me. Boy, those were the days,
huh? "
-- Jed Bartlet, THE WEST WING
Jim Longo
> On 06 Aug 2003 06:35:48 GMT, dto...@aol.coma (Doug Tonks) spake unto
> us thusly:
>
> >Clarence Rutherford (revaebo...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> >
> >>"Ken" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> >>news:<YKLXa.299$Ih1.2...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
> >>>
> >>> If anatomy and the lack of storytelling isn't that big a deal, then why do
> >>> *you* buy comic books? It's not an attack, but I was just wondering what
> >>> you are looking for in a comic book? Considering you like Liefeld's
> >>> style, I'm guessing you're not just buying comics as an investment,
> >>> so what is it?
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >>As far as storytelling, that's why there are word balloons.
> >
> >Which goes back to the first rule of comics: Tell, don't show.
>
> I'm assuming you're either being ironic here or made a typo.
Not necessarily; it all goes back to the perennial debate--does the
reader prefer COMIC books or comic BOOKS? If the former, then the
reader prefers to be shown the story through images; if the latter,
s/he prefers to be told it through words.
I'm very firmly in the latter camp. I love writers that get inside
their characters' heads, and it's just not possible to do that through
image alone. Image will tell us that the character is angry, but
unless it's glaringly obvious, it won't tell us why,
Most of the best moments I've ever seen wouldn't have been the same
without the words:
--Wonder Man's "I'M NOT AFRAID ANY MORE!" when he was going
toe-to-toe with Korvac;
--Storm pleading with an insane Phoenix to stop "in the name of
the love we share", and Phoenix responding with "In the name of the
love we shareD, Ororo, I will weep over your grave!";
--Storm and Kitty's conversation after Kitty destroys the N'Garai
demon;
--Rogue coming to the realization that it's a "nice feeling,
caring about others" after she's been with the X-Men awhile;
--Wasp saying that she "just doesn't have any tears left" after
Hank Pym is thrown out of the Avengers, only to find later that "she
has found the tears--for her team, for her former husband, for
herself";
--Firestar's realization that she's "prepared to make the
ultimate sacrifice" as the Avengers rush to a confrontation with
Ultron.....
I could go on, but I think you get the idea.
j.
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Paul O'Brien
<kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> writes
>
>At about the time INCREDIBLE HULK came out with the famous "AIDS"
>issue, one of the characters Peter David had written to show up had
>been some villain who in previous appearance had been quite slim but
>Liam had drawn him as this overmuscled geek. Peter was forced to add a
>line in the comic where Bruce Banner commented he could barely
>recognize the guy.
Ah, Liam Sharpe. A godawful artist if ever there was one. He even
blithely admitted to heavy swiping in a UK TV interview.
Jeremy Henderson
Crime) spake unto us thusly:
>Magius <mag...@netactive.co.za> wrote in message news:<9d60jvo7g4caovgi9...@4ax.com>...
>> > "The first time I saw Todd's art, I said, `Wow,
>> > this guy is going to become a millionaire and
>> > attack me in the letters column of his own comic
>> > book.' And darned if I wasn't right."
>> >
>> > -- Peter David
>>
>> I like the quote in your sig, where did PAD say this?
>
>I believe I got it from one of his BUT I DIGRESS... columns (I have a
>TPB collection of them.)
>
>Back on-subject: I'm in the middle of reading the 2nd big "Alan Moore
>turns 50" book about Moore out there -- this one includes a very long
>interview with Moore. Anyway, his opinion of Liefeld isn't great
>(though it's fairly polite.)
Haven't read that, but I did read an interview with Moore (I believe
on the Onion AV Club) where he referred to Supreme before he came on
board as a "truly, truly awful comic...just terrible."
Since then I've seen a few instances of Liefeld trumpeting himself as
"the creator of Supreme", as if he was trying to take credit for the
GOOD Supreme stories.
In fact, I've seen him do the same with Deadpool too.
Jeremy Henderson
unto us thusly:
>Jeremy Henderson <hel...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<kch3jv8924r091k06...@4ax.com>...
>> On 06 Aug 2003 06:35:48 GMT, dto...@aol.coma (Doug Tonks) spake unto
>> us thusly:
>>
>> >Clarence Rutherford (revaebo...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>> >
>> >>"Ken" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:<YKLXa.299$Ih1.2...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
>> >>>
>> >>> If anatomy and the lack of storytelling isn't that big a deal, then why do
>> >>> *you* buy comic books? It's not an attack, but I was just wondering what
>> >>> you are looking for in a comic book? Considering you like Liefeld's
>> >>> style, I'm guessing you're not just buying comics as an investment,
>> >>> so what is it?
>> >
>> >[snip]
>> >
>> >>As far as storytelling, that's why there are word balloons.
>> >
>> >Which goes back to the first rule of comics: Tell, don't show.
>>
>> I'm assuming you're either being ironic here or made a typo.
>
>Not necessarily; it all goes back to the perennial debate--does the
>reader prefer COMIC books or comic BOOKS? If the former, then the
>reader prefers to be shown the story through images; if the latter,
>s/he prefers to be told it through words.
But even in prose writing, "show, don't tell" is a basic tenet.
>I'm very firmly in the latter camp. I love writers that get inside
>their characters' heads, and it's just not possible to do that through
>image alone. Image will tell us that the character is angry, but
>unless it's glaringly obvious, it won't tell us why,
True, but in that case you're doing something that can't be done with
mere pictures. I'm not saying that there's isn't a place for
exposition in comics, just that even with your use of words, you can
follow the "show, don't tell principle." For instance, if you have a
character who's a hypochondriac, rather than having the character
think "I'm a hypochondriac" you could have him wondering if his blurry
vision is a detached retina, and if he needs to up the dosage of his
antihistamine because his allergies are clogging his sinuses, and hey
the air conditioner filters need to be changed again, I know I just
did it last week but they get dirtier this time of year and I just
know what dust does to nose, and my throat felt sore this morning, do
I have the flu again, I just got over the flu, maybe it's pneumonia, I
knew I shouldn't have been out without an umbrella the other day it's
definitely pneumonia...
Comics can be extremely wordy and still be excellent. It's all in how
you use the words.
>Most of the best moments I've ever seen wouldn't have been the same
>without the words:
>
> --Wonder Man's "I'M NOT AFRAID ANY MORE!" when he was going
>toe-to-toe with Korvac;
>
> --Storm pleading with an insane Phoenix to stop "in the name of
>the love we share", and Phoenix responding with "In the name of the
>love we shareD, Ororo, I will weep over your grave!";
>
> --Storm and Kitty's conversation after Kitty destroys the N'Garai
>demon;
>
> --Rogue coming to the realization that it's a "nice feeling,
>caring about others" after she's been with the X-Men awhile;
>
> --Wasp saying that she "just doesn't have any tears left" after
>Hank Pym is thrown out of the Avengers, only to find later that "she
>has found the tears--for her team, for her former husband, for
>herself";
>
> --Firestar's realization that she's "prepared to make the
>ultimate sacrifice" as the Avengers rush to a confrontation with
>Ultron.....
And those are all good moments. When I say "show, don't tell" though
I'm not talking about moments where the dialogue and captions are
integral, I'm talking things like a character laying on the ground
with a boulder crushing his legs and going "Boulder...has crushed my
legs...can't get up!"
Ken
"Paul O'Brien" <pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:T3OuF1Vt2qM$Ew...@esoterica.demon.co.uk...
> In message <N1hYa.888$Ih1.6...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>, Ken
> <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> writes
> >
> >At about the time INCREDIBLE HULK came out with the famous "AIDS"
> >issue, one of the characters Peter David had written to show up had
> >been some villain who in previous appearance had been quite slim but
> >Liam had drawn him as this overmuscled geek. Peter was forced to add a
> >line in the comic where Bruce Banner commented he could barely
> >recognize the guy.
>
> Ah, Liam Sharpe. A godawful artist if ever there was one. He even
> blithely admitted to heavy swiping in a UK TV interview.
Shirley you misheard. Obviously he meant "homaging".
> --
> Paul O'Brien
>
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-- Ken from Chicago
Paul O'Brien
<kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> writes
>>
>> Ah, Liam Sharpe. A godawful artist if ever there was one. He even
>> blithely admitted to heavy swiping in a UK TV interview.
>
>Shirley you misheard. Obviously he meant "homaging".
Given that gave a demonstration of his lightbox to the camera, I would
say no.
Paul O'Brien
Henderson <hel...@tampabay.rr.com> writes
>
>Since then I've seen a few instances of Liefeld trumpeting himself as
>"the creator of Supreme", as if he was trying to take credit for the
>GOOD Supreme stories.
>
>In fact, I've seen him do the same with Deadpool too.
Well, he is the creator of both those characters. That said, Supreme is
simply a thinly disguised version of Superman, and Deadpool was
conceived as a thinly disguised version of Deathstroke (hence the
rhyming real names) - though the manically different speech patterns
quickly dragged him off in another direction.
Jim Longo
> >reader prefer COMIC books or comic BOOKS? If the former, then the
> >reader prefers to be shown the story through images; if the latter,
> >s/he prefers to be told it through words.
>
> But even in prose writing, "show, don't tell" is a basic tenet.
>
> >I'm very firmly in the latter camp. I love writers that get inside
> >their characters' heads, and it's just not possible to do that through
> >image alone. Image will tell us that the character is angry, but
> >unless it's glaringly obvious, it won't tell us why,
>
> True, but in that case you're doing something that can't be done with
> mere pictures. I'm not saying that there's isn't a place for
> exposition in comics, just that even with your use of words, you can
> follow the "show, don't tell principle." For instance, if you have a
> character who's a hypochondriac, rather than having the character
> think "I'm a hypochondriac" you could have him wondering if his blurry
> vision is a detached retina, and if he needs to up the dosage of his
> antihistamine because his allergies are clogging his sinuses, and hey
> the air conditioner filters need to be changed again, I know I just
> did it last week but they get dirtier this time of year and I just
> know what dust does to nose, and my throat felt sore this morning, do
> I have the flu again, I just got over the flu, maybe it's pneumonia, I
> knew I shouldn't have been out without an umbrella the other day it's
> definitely pneumonia...
I think the problem here is that we're putting narration/description
in two different places. I view it as part of "tell", while you're
putting it in "show." Likewise, the monologue you wrote, by my
definition, is telling the reader something--it's just using the
character's words to do it rather than narration.
>
> Comics can be extremely wordy and still be excellent. It's all in how
> you use the words.
Actually, I PREFER the wordy ones, on the whole--but you're right; not
all wordsmiths are created equal.
> And those are all good moments. When I say "show, don't tell" though
> I'm not talking about moments where the dialogue and captions are
> integral, I'm talking things like a character laying on the ground
> with a boulder crushing his legs and going "Boulder...has crushed my
> legs...can't get up!"
Okay, I agree, THAT has more cheese than a pizza-baking contest and
ranks up there with "So, you wanna play, huh?" as the type of thing
that should never, ever appear in print ever again. But even
monologue like that works when handled by a good writer--I remember
one story where Batman was wounded in an ambush and, as he raced to
the next confrontation, thought, "Side's warm...throbbing.....blast,
I'm bleeding." No melodrama, just the character taking internal
inventory, and not particularly liking the result.
RJRJR
wrote:
>
> "Clarence Rutherford" <revaebo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c4cfdd99.0308...@posting.google.com...
>> Sometimes I get the impression that I'm the only one who likes Rob
>> Liefeld's artwork. His work has a few problems such as anatomy, and
>> the fact that he usually just draws poses and pin-ups rather than
>> using the pictures in a storytelling manner, but he still has a nice
>> style.
>
><snip>
>
> *you* buy comic books? It's not an attack, but I was just wondering what you
> are looking for in a comic book? Considering you like Liefeld's style, I'm
> guessing you're not just buying comics as an investment, so what is it?
>
Liefeld's art shows enthusiasm for those characters and events he is
depicting. I suspect it is this enthusiasm and his knack for bigger
than life events that attracts people to his work.
And he is far from the worst comic book artist around. In fact, many
of them are employed now, collecting paychecks from Marvel, DC, and
other publishers.
Thanks,
RJRJR
David Blocher
> michaelm...@aol.com (MichaelMychael19) wrote in message
news:<20030802104329...@mb-m15.aol.com>...
> > Your not alone and the last time I heard of him possibly doing work for
DC was
> > when they were looking to rework the Legion about four years ago. I
would have
> > liked to have seen that, but I think that Legion fans got a pretty good
deal
> > with DnA taking over instead.
>
> I'm just wondering if he can crank out a monthly series. Most of
> those Image guys got so lazy when they were able to put out the comics
> whenever they felt like it, that they ended up losing lots of fans.
> Had they been a bit more professional I think Image could have been
> more successful.
>
> If Liefeld does do a monthly book for DC, I would want to see the book
> on the stands monthly. Slow shipping is a great way to cause people
> to lose interest in the material. I can't imagine that anyone is
> really still interested in Kevin Smith's Black Cat limited series for
> Marvel since he still hasn't completed it. Marvel should never have
> began printing that until he had turned in the complete project. I'm
> not sure why it takes Smith so long to write the comics since I don't
> see anything really impressive about his work. I think Smith is
> highly overrated.
Thats Kevin Smith, but we are discussion Rob Liefeld! I agree, Liefeld
would
be just like Kevin Smith in the way of delays! I was loosing interest in
the
Return of Green Arrow because he was constantly late with getting the next
installment of the storyline! If I was the publisher, I would want the
entire
arc in my hands before it goes to the press machines! I also find Kevin
Smith
being over-rated, I could find many different ways to explain Green Arrow's
revival, but he took the sci-fi route of claiming he was indeed atomized and
cloned
from the atoms that went to Superman's cape and brought his soul back from
Heaven! I would preferred to tell it as if Parralax zapped him out of the
plane
unnoticely in a blink of an eye, but as a result came amnesia, so he hid him
away
until his memory, or at least part of it would return!
The reason that Kevin Smith is overrated is the fact that he is a Movie
Writer,
not a normal Comic Book scripter. He is trying to make a book sell by just
putting his name on it! If Kevin Smith wrote a "Swinging with Scooter"
series,
that character would be the Hot Pick until he writes his last issue of the
series.
About 10 issues with the new writer the series would probably conclude!
I wouldn't mind seeing Rob Liefeld doing the art for the Green Arrow series,
because Phil Hestler's style makes the book look like it should be called
"Green Arrow Adventures" as if it was an adaptation from a cartoon called
"Green Arrow: The Animated Series"!
> I think getting Liefeld to handle the art for a DC book could result
> in some nice sales. He could be paired with a hot writer for a
> limited series (Seven Soldiers of Victory, The Creeper, Hawk & Dove,
> The Metal Men, Global Guardians, etc.) but DC would likely want to use
> him to boost sales on an existing monthly title in the same manner
> they have used Jim Lee.
Perhaps, but I really think Liefeld would be a real catch for the above
titles, especially for "The Creeper", and "The Metal Men". Imagine how
he would draw all that shape-shifting?
> I think it would be interested to pair Liefeld with Grant Morrison on
> Green Lantern. Harley Quinn, Robin, and Birds of Prey could all
> benefit from bringing in Liefeld for to handle the art. They might
> just want to pair him with a writer for an arc on JLA.
I could see Liefeld doing the art on JLA, its pretty much up his alley! Now
how about Teen Titans?
David Blocher
"Michael" <jan...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vip08ns...@corp.supernews.com...
> Clarence Rutherford wrote:
> > But if DC does get Liefeld to do some work for them I hope it's
> > strictly as an artist. I enjoy his artwork, but he's not a good
> > writer. If he was paired with a top notch writer I think you could
> > end up with a hot seller. I think I would like to see him work on a
> > Seven Soldiers of Victory limited series (with Green Arrow) written by
> > Geoff Johns.
>
> I can't see him doing anything that's not sci-fi-oriented in it's
> designs. I shudder to think of his Shining Knight.
Frankly, I think if he would do a limited series for "The Shinning Knight",
it
would be a great contribution to DC. It would also be setting the
Groundwork
for the New Seven Soldiers of Victory that DC is dropping hints about
already!
Mike Ward
news:_x_Ya.102135$uu5.14967@sccrnsc04:
IMO Smith is overated as a Movie writer as well.
Clerks is a great great movie. But Mall Rats was one long bore, Dogma
started out well then self destructed toward the end, and J&SBSB was one
of worst movies I've ever seen.
Mike
Paul O'Brien
<d.blocher@?.net.invalid> writes
>
>The reason that Kevin Smith is overrated is the fact that he is a Movie
>Writer, not a normal Comic Book scripter. He is trying to make a book
>sell by just putting his name on it!
Yes, but anything with Kevin Smith's name on it DOES sell, and that's
remained the case for years. Granted that he's painfully slow, it seems
indisputable by this point that Smith is an extremely popular writer and
his name guarantees high sales for any book. Even Green Arrow, for
heaven's sake.
Better yet for publishers, the new readers he attracts to a title tend
to stick around afterwards and try out the next creative team. I can
easily see why publishers love him so much.
David Blocher
> In message <_x_Ya.102135$uu5.14967@sccrnsc04>, David Blocher
> <d.blocher@?.net.invalid> writes
> >
> >The reason that Kevin Smith is overrated is the fact that he is a Movie
> >Writer, not a normal Comic Book scripter. He is trying to make a book
> >sell by just putting his name on it!
>
> Yes, but anything with Kevin Smith's name on it DOES sell, and that's
> remained the case for years. Granted that he's painfully slow, it seems
> indisputable by this point that Smith is an extremely popular writer and
> his name guarantees high sales for any book. Even Green Arrow, for
> heaven's sake.
>
> Better yet for publishers, the new readers he attracts to a title tend
> to stick around afterwards and try out the next creative team. I can
> easily see why publishers love him so much.
>
> --
> Paul O'Brien
Perhaps, but Mike Grell made Green Arrow sell while he was at the helm
himself, and even brought this character, who never had a on-going series
for 47 years, the top selling title for DC Comics!
CleV
<d.blocher@@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Clarence Rutherford" <revaebo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:c4cfdd99.03080...@posting.google.com...
>> I think getting Liefeld to handle the art for a DC book could result
>> in some nice sales. He could be paired with a hot writer for a
>> limited series (Seven Soldiers of Victory, The Creeper, Hawk & Dove,
>> The Metal Men, Global Guardians, etc.) but DC would likely want to use
>> him to boost sales on an existing monthly title in the same manner
>> they have used Jim Lee.
>Perhaps, but I really think Liefeld would be a real catch for the above
>titles, especially for "The Creeper", and "The Metal Men". Imagine how
>he would draw all that shape-shifting?
Badly and unintelligibly?