Showcase Presents (would you support these titles?)

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Duke

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Aug 21, 2005, 2:48:28 PM8/21/05
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I'm enthusiastic about the Showcase Presents... project, even if I may not
be able to buy every one at $16.99. Of course, I'd probably buy them all if
they'd stick with the recent $9.99 special price point.

Below are a few titles I'd like to see. Any other support out there for
these? If not, what would you like to see collected in glorious black and
white newsprint?

ATARI FORCE: Collecting the 20 issue series, the one-shot special, and the
mini-comics that were included with Atari game cartridges. That should come
in between 400-450 pages.

ATOMIC KNIGHTS: Collecting all the silver age appearances in Strange
Adventures 117, 120, 123, 126, 129, 132, 135, 138, 141, 144, 147, 150, 153,
156, 160 plus Hercules Unbound 10,11 and DC Comics Presents 57. That's only
about 230 pages, so I'd fill the book out on the flipside with a variety of
Murphy Anderson drawn sci-fi stories from the silver age.

BAT LASH: Collecting Showcase 76, Bat's seven issue series, Weird Western
Tales 45,46,52,53, Jonah Hex Spectacular 1, and Jonah Hex 51,52. That's not
nearly 500 pages, so maybe make it a flip book and fill it out with some
Alex Toth Johnny Thunder material.

BLACKHAWK: Collecting the Evanier/Speigle run from issues 251-273. That
would be about 529 pages.

CANCELED COMICS CAVALCADE: Oh, I can dream, can't I? Collecting the two
issue holy grail for all fans who first discovered comics during the Bronze
age, a.k.a. the last generation of kids who bought their comics exclusively
at the corner market. Both issues should come to about 500 pages, if I
recall my lore correctly

FREEDOM FIGHTERS: Collecting JLA 107,108, Freedom Fighters 1-15, the Secret
Society of Super-Villains story from Canceled Comics Cavalcade 2, the Ray
stories from Black Lightning 11 and Canceled Comics Cavalcade 1 and DC
Comics Presents 62. That all comes to about 365 pages. I would prefer to
fill out the book with the 1st appearances of each character from their
Golden Age Quality Comics debuts, but DC probably does not have film for
that, so we may have to rely on origin stories from Secret Origins and or
the FF appearance in All-Star Squadron.

SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS: Collecting SSoSV 1-15, the two unpublished
stories from Canceled Comics Cavalcade, plus DC Special Series 6, Super-Team
Family 13,14, DC Special 27, and JLA 166,167. That comes to about 426
pages. Possibly fill out with silver age 1st appearances of Capt Comet and
some of the more prominent SSoSV villains.

SUPERMAN'S PAL, JIMMY OLSEN: Nothing says goofy silver age fun quite like
Superman's Pal. 500 pages should bring us up through the first 20-25
issues.

PHANTOM STRANGER: Collecting Showcase 80 and the first 26 issues of the
silver age title, so as to include all of Aparo's run. That's about 625
pages. Maybe cut out some of the back-ups to bring it back down to the 500
page mark.

SUGAR AND SPIKE: Collecting 500 pages of baby fun!!

STEVE DITKO: Can we focus on a creator instead of one hero? Most of Ditko's
work deserves collection, but few of his series lasted long enough to be
collected individually. I'd include Creeper (Showcase 73, Beware the Creeper
1-6, 1st Issue Special 7, Worlds Finest 249-255/238 pages), Hawk&Dove
(Showcase 75, Hawk&Dove 1-2/66 pages) , Shade the Changing Man (Shade 1-8
and Canceled Comics Cavalcade 2 -153 pages), The Odd Man (Detective 487,
Canceled Comics Cavalcade 2/16 pages), Stalker (Stalker 1-4/72 pages)
Total 545 pages. A second volume could collect Ditko's Charlton heroes
work, while a third could finish up that material plus include Starman, and
his Legion stories.

TOMAHAWK: I'd like this to collect the first 20 issues or so, before the
title went all goofy on dinosaurs and gorillas. That may be more
appropriate for an Archive though, since I doubt DC has film already
prepared.

LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES: What I'd like to see is a sort of "Legion Archives
Supplement" reprinting silver age Legion appearances and cameos not
collected in the regular Archive editions.

It could include Adventure Comics 287 "War of the Superboys" (Dev-Em),
Adventure Comics 288 "The Knave from Krypton" (Dev-Em), Superman 149 "The
Death of Superman" (LSH), Superboy 93 "Lana Lang's Superboy Identity
Detection Kit" (Chameleon Boy), Action Comics 284 "The Babe of Steel
(Mon-El), Action Comics 285 "The Infinite Monster" (LSH), Action Comics 286
"The Jury of Super Enemies" (LSV), Superman 152 "The Robot Master" (LSH),
Lois Lane 33 "The Phantom Lois Lane" (Mon-El), Action Comics 288 "The Man
who Made Supergirl Cry" (Mon-El), Action Comics 290 "Supergirl's Super
Boyfriends" (Phantom Girl), Jimmy Olsen 62 "Superman's Phantom Pal"
(Mon-El), Superman 155 "The Downfall of Superman" (Lightning Man, Cosmic
Man), Jimmy Olsen 63 "The League of Fantastic Supermen" (LSV), Superboy 100
"The Day Pete Ross Became a Robot" (Ultra Boy), Superman 156 "The Last Days
of Superman" (LSH), Superman 157 "Super Revenge of the Phantom Zone
Prisoner" (Mon-El), "Superman's Day of Doom" (Lightning Lad, Cosmic Boy),
Action Comics 295 "Superman Goes Wild" (Mon-El), Action Comics 297 "The
Forbidden Weapons of Krypton" (Mon-El), Adventure Comics 305 "Clark Kent,
He-Man" (Chameleon Boy), Action Comics 298 "Super Powers of Lex Luthor"
(LSH), Adventure Comics 309 "The Fake Superboy of Krypton" (Brainiac 5),
Superman 162 "Amazing Story of Superman Red and Superman Blue" (LSH), Jimmy
Olsen 70 "Secret of Silver Kryptonite" (Element Lad), Action Comics 306 "The
Maid of Doom" (Brainiac 5, Mon-El), Superman 165 "Beauty and the
Super-Beast" (Saturn Woman, Proty II), Action 307 "Supergirl's Wedding Day"
(Saturn Girl), Adventure Comics 315 "The Titanic Boy of Steel" (Colossal
Boy), Jimmy Olsen 73 "Jimmy's Interdimensional Romance" (Ultra Boy), Action
Comics 309 "The Superman Super Spectacular" (LSH), Superman 167 "The Team of
Luthor and Brainiac" (Brainiac 5, caption only, but important retcon to his
origin), Lois Lane 47 "The Super Life of Lois Lane" (LSH), Jimmy Olsen 77
"The Colossus of Metropolis" (Jimmy in various Legion costumes), World's
Finest Comics 142 "The Composite Superman" (LSH), Lois Lane 50 "Lois Lane's
Luckiest Day" (Phantom Girl, Triplicate Girl, Shrinking Violet), Superman
172 "Superman's New Powers" (Saturn Girl, Cosmic Boy, Invisible Kid), Action
Comics 319 "The Super Cheat" (Shrinking Violet), Jimmy Olsen 83 "The Great
Miss Universe Contest" (Brainiac 5 force field belt), Action Comics 323 "The
Kryptonian Killer" (Super Pets), Superman 176 "Revenge of the Super Pets"
(Super Pets), Lois Lane 56 "Lois Lane, Super Telepath" (Saturn Girl), Jimmy
Olsen 85 "The Adventures of Chameleon Head Olsen" (Chameleon Boy), Jimmy
Olsen 87 "The Arena of Doom" (LSV), Jimmy Olsen 88 "Jimmy Olsen World's
Heavyweight Champ" (Star Boy), Action Comics 331 "Operation Satan" (Legion
medallions), World's Finest Comics 158 "The Invulnerable Super Enemy"
(Legion powers stolen), Superboy 131 "The Dog from S.C.P.A" (1st Space
Canine Patrol Agency), Jimmy Olsen 99 "The One Man Legion" (Jimmy in Legion
costumes again), Jimmy Olsen 100 "Jimmy Olsen's Weirdo Wedding" (LSH),
Inferior Five 2 "House Hunting Heroes" (Legion Theme Song), World's Finest
Comics 168 "Return of the Composite Superman" (LSH), Jimmy Olsen 106 "The
Lone Wolf Legionnaire Reporter" (LSH), World's Finest Comics 172 "Superman
and Batman... Brothers" (Batman joins Legion), Superboy 148 "Superboy's
Greatest Gamble" (Polar Boy's parents), Superman 213 "The Most Dangerous
Door in the World" (Adult Brainiac 5), Jimmy Olsen 105 "The Planet of Capes"
(LSH).

Not sure of the page counts on all of the above stories, but I estimate the
total at 600-650 pages, leaving DC to cull out the most minor appearances.

Going through 1969, all that is left out above (that I know of) for silver
age Legion appearances is just a couple of one panel cameos, the "twice-told
tales", a few text only mentions, and a handful of SCPA stories and stories
that have Legion statuettes, Legion time bubbles, and other 30th century
paraphernalia plus some things that are just really anal-retentive.


Duke H.


Sean Walsh

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Aug 21, 2005, 3:55:28 PM8/21/05
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Duke wrote:
>
> SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS: Collecting SSoSV 1-15, the two unpublished
> stories from Canceled Comics Cavalcade, plus DC Special Series 6, Super-Team
> Family 13,14, DC Special 27, and JLA 166,167. That comes to about 426
> pages. Possibly fill out with silver age 1st appearances of Capt Comet and
> some of the more prominent SSoSV villains.

This is, IMHO, the likeliest collection, and probably the only one I'd
want to buy. Their current connection to Infinite Crisis, collects an
entire series in one volume...

Then again, METAMORPHO is the 2nd or 3rd collection to be released. And
who knows what reasoning went into that decision...

--
Sean

Keith

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Aug 21, 2005, 8:26:47 PM8/21/05
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Duke:
Most sound OK; but, I am really looking forward to the Aquaman mini-series "The Search for Mera".

Keith


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Kurt Busiek

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Aug 22, 2005, 3:38:09 AM8/22/05
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On 2005-08-21 11:48:28 -0700, "Duke" <x...@x.com> said:

> Below are a few titles I'd like to see. Any other support out there for
> these? If not, what would you like to see collected in glorious black and
> white newsprint?
>
> ATARI FORCE: Collecting the 20 issue series, the one-shot special, and the
> mini-comics that were included with Atari game cartridges. That should come
> in between 400-450 pages.

More. The regular series would be over 400 pages -- if the issues
average 23 pages, that'd be 460 right there, and the mini-comics are
another 208 pages. With the special, that's 716 pages, not counting
covers.

Plus, DC doesn't have the rights.

> BAT LASH: Collecting Showcase 76, Bat's seven issue series, Weird Western
> Tales 45,46,52,53, Jonah Hex Spectacular 1, and Jonah Hex 51,52. That's not
> nearly 500 pages, so maybe make it a flip book and fill it out with some
> Alex Toth Johnny Thunder material.

I'd rather just do the SHOWCASE and the BAT LASH series in a nice color trade.

> BLACKHAWK: Collecting the Evanier/Speigle run from issues 251-273. That
> would be about 529 pages.

I'd buy this in a heartbeat, and I have all the issues already.

> CANCELED COMICS CAVALCADE: Oh, I can dream, can't I? Collecting the two
> issue holy grail for all fans who first discovered comics during the Bronze
> age, a.k.a. the last generation of kids who bought their comics exclusively
> at the corner market. Both issues should come to about 500 pages, if I
> recall my lore correctly
> FREEDOM FIGHTERS: Collecting JLA 107,108, Freedom Fighters 1-15, the Secret
> Society of Super-Villains story from Canceled Comics Cavalcade 2, the Ray
> stories from Black Lightning 11 and Canceled Comics Cavalcade 1 and DC
> Comics Presents 62. That all comes to about 365 pages. I would prefer to
> fill out the book with the 1st appearances of each character from their
> Golden Age Quality Comics debuts, but DC probably does not have film for
> that, so we may have to rely on origin stories from Secret Origins and or
> the FF appearance in All-Star Squadron.
> SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS: Collecting SSoSV 1-15, the two unpublished
> stories from Canceled Comics Cavalcade, plus DC Special Series 6, Super-Team
> Family 13,14, DC Special 27, and JLA 166,167. That comes to about 426
> pages. Possibly fill out with silver age 1st appearances of Capt Comet and
> some of the more prominent SSoSV villains.

I'd buy all three of these, more to read all of 'em than because I
expected good things...

> SUPERMAN'S PAL, JIMMY OLSEN: Nothing says goofy silver age fun quite like
> Superman's Pal. 500 pages should bring us up through the first 20-25
> issues.

Yeah!

> PHANTOM STRANGER: Collecting Showcase 80 and the first 26 issues of the
> silver age title, so as to include all of Aparo's run. That's about 625
> pages. Maybe cut out some of the back-ups to bring it back down to the 500
> page mark.

Since the backups aren't usually Phantom Stranger backups, sure, limit
it to PS stories. I'd buy this enthusiastically, too -- I have all the
Wein/Aparo issues, but I'd like to read more for cheap.

> SUGAR AND SPIKE: Collecting 500 pages of baby fun!!

And just keep going until the whole thing's reprinted! About four
volumes would do it -- maybe five, depending on how much stuff was done
for Europe and never printed in the US.

kdb

Bob Hughes

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Aug 22, 2005, 10:30:56 AM8/22/05
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 03:37:19 +0000 (UTC), arro...@green.rahul.net
(Ken Arromdee) wrote:

>Before there was Showcase Presents, I came up with the idea that because the
>DC Universe is so full of retcons and other trashing of history, DC Essentials
>are impractical.
>
>I still have no idea how they expect anyone except old time fans to buy a
>Showcase Presents: Superman, but most of your suggestions have this problem
>to an even worse degree.

Continuity is not the be-all and end-all of comics Ken. If it was,
everyone would have given up and headed for the hills long ago.
Plenty of fans just want to read good stories and could give a flying
flip whether any particular story is still "in continuity" or not-
especially because the answer is liable to change every five minutes.

Bob Hughes

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Gregg and Lindy Whitmore

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Aug 22, 2005, 6:21:28 PM8/22/05
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"Duke" <x...@x.com> wrote in message news:11ghj79...@corp.supernews.com...

> I'm enthusiastic about the Showcase Presents... project, even if I may not
> be able to buy every one at $16.99. Of course, I'd probably buy them all
> if
> they'd stick with the recent $9.99 special price point.
>
> Below are a few titles I'd like to see. Any other support out there for
> these? If not, what would you like to see collected in glorious black and
> white newsprint?

>


> ATOMIC KNIGHTS: Collecting all the silver age appearances in Strange
> Adventures 117, 120, 123, 126, 129, 132, 135, 138, 141, 144, 147, 150,
> 153,
> 156, 160 plus Hercules Unbound 10,11 and DC Comics Presents 57. That's
> only
> about 230 pages, so I'd fill the book out on the flipside with a variety
> of
> Murphy Anderson drawn sci-fi stories from the silver age.
>
> BAT LASH: Collecting Showcase 76, Bat's seven issue series, Weird Western
> Tales 45,46,52,53, Jonah Hex Spectacular 1, and Jonah Hex 51,52. That's
> not
> nearly 500 pages, so maybe make it a flip book and fill it out with some
> Alex Toth Johnny Thunder material.
>
>

> CANCELED COMICS CAVALCADE: Oh, I can dream, can't I? Collecting the two
> issue holy grail for all fans who first discovered comics during the
> Bronze
> age, a.k.a. the last generation of kids who bought their comics
> exclusively
> at the corner market. Both issues should come to about 500 pages, if I
> recall my lore correctly
>

In addition to these wonderful tales, I'd love to see the non-powered
Wonder Woman stories by Mike Sekowsky, a Metal Men collection, an Inferior 5
collection, an Elongated Man collection (from various books), a Dial H for
Hero collection, and a Stanley and his Monster collection.

Gregg


Vince

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Aug 23, 2005, 1:31:28 PM8/23/05
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"Gregg and Lindy Whitmore" <gal...@velocitus.net> wrote in message
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Not forgetting Sea Devils...Challengers And Rip Hunter...all were tough to
get in England when i were a lad...love to read them again...


MG

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"Duke" <x...@x.com> wrote in message news:11ghj79...@corp.supernews.com...
> I'm enthusiastic about the Showcase Presents... project, even if I may not
> be able to buy every one at $16.99. Of course, I'd probably buy them all
if
> they'd stick with the recent $9.99 special price point.
>
> Below are a few titles I'd like to see. Any other support out there for
> these? If not, what would you like to see collected in glorious black and
> white newsprint?
>
> ATARI FORCE: Collecting the 20 issue series, the one-shot special, and
the
> mini-comics that were included with Atari game cartridges. That should
come
> in between 400-450 pages.

Loved the series but DC doesn't own it.

> CANCELED COMICS CAVALCADE: Oh, I can dream, can't I? Collecting the two
> issue holy grail for all fans who first discovered comics during the
Bronze
> age, a.k.a. the last generation of kids who bought their comics
exclusively
> at the corner market. Both issues should come to about 500 pages, if I
> recall my lore correctly

Yes, I checked it and there were 19 issues in it at about 25 pages each.
With the cover gallery for books that were not printed - it would be about
500 pages.


John Duncan Yoyo

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Sep 3, 2005, 2:35:20 AM9/3/05
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:31:28 GMT, "Vince" <tubb...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

<Clip original article>

Phantom Stranger is the highest one on my list of that batch followed
by the CCC and the Legion gap fillers.


>
>"Gregg and Lindy Whitmore" <gal...@velocitus.net> wrote in message
>news:11gkjvd...@corp.supernews.com...

>> In addition to these wonderful tales, I'd love to see the non-powered


>> Wonder Woman stories by Mike Sekowsky, a Metal Men collection, an Inferior
>> 5 collection, an Elongated Man collection (from various books), a Dial H for
>> Hero collection, and a Stanley and his Monster collection.
>>

Yes to all of those especially the Metal Men.


>>
>Not forgetting Sea Devils...Challengers And Rip Hunter...all were tough to
>get in England when i were a lad...love to read them again...
>

I'd like a nice House of Mystery, House of Secrets, PLOP and Jonah Hex
collection.
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Ken Arromdee wrote:

> I still have no idea how they expect anyone except old time fans to buy a
> Showcase Presents: Superman, but most of your suggestions have this
> problem to an even worse degree.

All of the DC comics I own are either Golden Age or post-crisis. I'm buying
some of the Showcase volumes to see what there was in between. I like to
see the evolution of things.

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Kurt Busiek

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On 2005-09-04 08:29:54 -0700, arro...@green.rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) said:

> In article <DCiSe.362927$s54.327801@pd7tw2no>,


> W. Blaine Dowler <fiz...@NOSPAMbureau42.com> wrote:
>>> I still have no idea how they expect anyone except old time fans to buy a
>>> Showcase Presents: Superman, but most of your suggestions have this
>>> problem to an even worse degree.
>> All of the DC comics I own are either Golden Age or post-crisis. I'm buying
>> some of the Showcase volumes to see what there was in between. I like to
>> see the evolution of things.
>

> Yes, but you're taking what I wrote a little too literally. The typical teen
> reader that DC would like to get, who might read a lot of manga, watch
> Teen Titans on TV, and occasionally pick up a comic (or more likely a TPB),
> but isn't a "fan", won't want much of the material in Showcase because
> it isn't relevant to today's comics.

Not everything DC publishes is aimed at the same reader, of course.

But I suspect that the typical teen reader who consumes a lot of manga,
occasionally picks up a comic or TPB and watches TEEN TITANS on TV
doesn't care whether the comics material he or she reads is relevant to
today's DC comics -- by your description, that reader isn't terribly
familiar with them.

Whether that reader will be interested in SHOWCASE remains to be seen
-- Marvel's been doing reasonably well with a similar format that's
often chock-a-block with material that's not relevant to their current
output, whether it's still purportedly "in continuity" or not.

And whether the success or failure of the format depends on that kind
of reader remains to be seen, too.

kdb

MG

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"Duke" <x...@x.com> wrote in message news:11ghj79...@corp.supernews.com...
> SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS: Collecting SSoSV 1-15, the two
unpublished
> stories from Canceled Comics Cavalcade, plus DC Special Series 6,
Super-Team
> Family 13,14, DC Special 27, and JLA 166,167. That comes to about 426
> pages. Possibly fill out with silver age 1st appearances of Capt Comet
and
> some of the more prominent SSoSV villains.

For this one to be published, the second Canceled Comics Cavalcade story may
have to be finished as it was not inked before it went into CCC. (It was
very crude as it looks like the artist stopped when the Implosion happened.)


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Bob Hughes

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Sep 5, 2005, 9:47:12 AM9/5/05
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 05:03:30 +0000 (UTC), arro...@green.rahul.net (Ken
Arromdee) wrote:

>In article <2005090409015875249%kurtbusiek@aolcomics>,


>Kurt Busiek <kurtb...@aol.comics> wrote:
>>But I suspect that the typical teen reader who consumes a lot of manga,
>>occasionally picks up a comic or TPB and watches TEEN TITANS on TV
>>doesn't care whether the comics material he or she reads is relevant to
>>today's DC comics -- by your description, that reader isn't terribly
>>familiar with them.
>

>They're not intimately familiar like fans, but it's not hard for even a very
>casual reader, if they've at all read any Superman comics, to see that the
>version of Superman in the comics is far different from the one in Showcase.
>Showcase Presents: Superman doesn't connect to Superman comics like
>Essential Spiderman connects to Spiderman comics.

Right. It's MUCH better. And should easily outsell the current comic.

Bob Hughes

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Sep 5, 2005, 9:49:07 AM9/5/05
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Some Holy Grails are not meant to be found. There's a reason these
books were cancelled after all. For my money the high point in the
entire set were the two unpublished Green Team stories. So you know
what the rest of the collection must be like.

Kurt Busiek

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On 2005-09-04 22:03:30 -0700, arro...@green.rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) said:

> In article <2005090409015875249%kurtbusiek@aolcomics>,
> Kurt Busiek <kurtb...@aol.comics> wrote:
>> But I suspect that the typical teen reader who consumes a lot of manga,
>> occasionally picks up a comic or TPB and watches TEEN TITANS on TV
>> doesn't care whether the comics material he or she reads is relevant to
>> today's DC comics -- by your description, that reader isn't terribly
>> familiar with them.
>
> They're not intimately familiar like fans, but it's not hard for even a very
> casual reader, if they've at all read any Superman comics, to see that the
> version of Superman in the comics is far different from the one in Showcase.
> Showcase Presents: Superman doesn't connect to Superman comics like
> Essential Spiderman connects to Spiderman comics.

Nor are the cartoon Titans like the comic book Titans. But you're
assuming that the reader who picks up an occasional comic would care
about those differences, and only be interested in what hews closely to
the modern comics. I don't think that's a particularly well-founded
assumptions, but time will tell.

kdb

Jason Michael

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"Bob Hughes" <BOBH...@TTLC.NET> wrote in message
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>
> Some Holy Grails are not meant to be found. There's a reason these
> books were cancelled after all. For my money the high point in the
> entire set were the two unpublished Green Team stories. So you know
> what the rest of the collection must be like.
>

But I like the Green Team!
And there was some nice Ditko art in there as well, as I recall.

Jason

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The Steel concentration camp story was pretty good, though -- good enough
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to the character's re-introduction.

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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:46:02 GMT, "YKW '05"
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>Opening a random can of alphabet soup on Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:08:53 GMT,
>someone claiming to be "Jason Michael" <jwmi...@sympatico.ca> spooned up
>the following and ladled it out into rec.arts.comics.dc.universe's bowl:
>
>>
>> "Bob Hughes" <BOBH...@TTLC.NET> wrote in message
>> news:f4joh19tk0n7hjt6p...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Some Holy Grails are not meant to be found. There's a reason these
>>> books were cancelled after all. For my money the high point in the
>>> entire set were the two unpublished Green Team stories. So you know
>>> what the rest of the collection must be like.
>>>
>>
>> But I like the Green Team!
>> And there was some nice Ditko art in there as well, as I recall.
>>
>
>The Steel concentration camp story was pretty good, though -- good enough
>to be used a few years later almost whole in All-Star Squadron as a prelude
>to the character's re-introduction.

No, it wasn't. It was crap.
The redone version for All-Star Squadron was re-inked by Jerry Ordway,
and chopped up and resequenced. And even then it was pretty mediocre.

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"Bob Hughes" <BOBH...@TTLC.NET> wrote in message
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> >Yes, I checked it and there were 19 issues in it at about 25 pages each.
> >With the cover gallery for books that were not printed - it would be
about
> >500 pages.
> >
>
> Some Holy Grails are not meant to be found. There's a reason these
> books were cancelled after all. For my money the high point in the
> entire set were the two unpublished Green Team stories. So you know
> what the rest of the collection must be like.

Well, that's a little unfair as two of the books in CCC were the first
issue. DC's parent company ordered the cancellation of most of the
companies line as the DC Explosion was rolling out. Even Detective Comics
was going to be cancelled (until someone decided to merge it with the higher
selling Batman Family book).

And from what I've read so far, I would see the highpoint has been the Black
Lightning issue. (Haven't finished both volumes yet.)


Bob Hughes

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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:18:40 -0500, "MG" <.> wrote:

>"Bob Hughes" <BOBH...@TTLC.NET> wrote in message
>news:f4joh19tk0n7hjt6p...@4ax.com...
>> >Yes, I checked it and there were 19 issues in it at about 25 pages each.
>> >With the cover gallery for books that were not printed - it would be
>about
>> >500 pages.
>> >
>>
>> Some Holy Grails are not meant to be found. There's a reason these
>> books were cancelled after all. For my money the high point in the
>> entire set were the two unpublished Green Team stories. So you know
>> what the rest of the collection must be like.
>
>Well, that's a little unfair as two of the books in CCC were the first
>issue. DC's parent company ordered the cancellation of most of the
>companies line as the DC Explosion was rolling out. Even Detective Comics
>was going to be cancelled (until someone decided to merge it with the higher
>selling Batman Family book).

Um, what's your point?


>
>And from what I've read so far, I would see the highpoint has been the Black
>Lightning issue. (Haven't finished both volumes yet.)
>

The Black Lightning story wasn't written by Tony Isabella.
The western story, the Deserter wasn't bad. Not great, but not bad.

The two Secret Society and one Freedom Fighters stories don't advance
the plot significantly past the last published issues. Neither does
the Ditko Shade story.

Kurt Busiek

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Sep 6, 2005, 11:09:34 AM9/6/05
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On 2005-09-06 04:44:56 -0700, Bob Hughes <BOBH...@TTLC.NET> said:

> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:18:40 -0500, "MG" <.> wrote:
>
>> And from what I've read so far, I would see the highpoint has been the Black
>> Lightning issue. (Haven't finished both volumes yet.)
>>
> The Black Lightning story wasn't written by Tony Isabella.

And has been printed elsewhere already to boot.

kdb

MG

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"Bob Hughes" <BOBH...@TTLC.NET> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:18:40 -0500, "MG" <.> wrote:
>
> >"Bob Hughes" <BOBH...@TTLC.NET> wrote in message
> >news:f4joh19tk0n7hjt6p...@4ax.com...
> >> >Yes, I checked it and there were 19 issues in it at about 25 pages
each.
> >> >With the cover gallery for books that were not printed - it would be
> >about
> >> >500 pages.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Some Holy Grails are not meant to be found. There's a reason these
> >> books were cancelled after all. For my money the high point in the
> >> entire set were the two unpublished Green Team stories. So you know
> >> what the rest of the collection must be like.
> >
> >Well, that's a little unfair as two of the books in CCC were the first
> >issue. DC's parent company ordered the cancellation of most of the
> >companies line as the DC Explosion was rolling out. Even Detective
Comics
> >was going to be cancelled (until someone decided to merge it with the
higher
> >selling Batman Family book).
>
> Um, what's your point?

You made it sound like the parent company looked at the books and said no
way these are going out. When actually they didn't look at the books at all
and just decided stop the expansion of the line. (I think I read that the
DC Explosion was not approved by the parent company and they were shocked
that such an expansion was happening.)

> >
> >And from what I've read so far, I would see the highpoint has been the
Black
> >Lightning issue. (Haven't finished both volumes yet.)
> >
> The Black Lightning story wasn't written by Tony Isabella.

Didn't realize it had to be written by Tony to be liked.

> The western story, the Deserter wasn't bad. Not great, but not bad.

Haven't read that one yet.

> The two Secret Society and one Freedom Fighters stories don't advance
> the plot significantly past the last published issues. Neither does
> the Ditko Shade story.

It looks like Freedom Fighters was heading for a wrap up to the series. So
it may not have lasted much longer anyway.


tr2...@hotmail.com

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In article <92joh1tht38va03fi...@4ax.com>,

Bob Hughes <BOBH...@TTLC.NET> wrote:
>>
>>They're not intimately familiar like fans, but it's not hard for even a very
>>casual reader, if they've at all read any Superman comics, to see that the
>>version of Superman in the comics is far different from the one in Showcase.
>>Showcase Presents: Superman doesn't connect to Superman comics like
>>Essential Spiderman connects to Spiderman comics.
>
>Right. It's MUCH better. And should easily outsell the current comic.

Especially since Silver Age Superman is the most popular comic in history.

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