GL corps
Tal'n Lazarus
Er, hello, this might be a stupid question, but I've been out of comics
for a while, and I was wondering what had happened to the Green Lantern
corps? Thanks
Dale Hicks
Tal'n Lazarus <taln...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote in article
<35511B07...@postoffice.pacbell.net>...
> Er, hello, this might be a stupid question, but I've been out of comics
> for a while, and I was wondering what had happened to the Green Lantern
> corps? Thanks
Omar's at pacbell now, right? Aren't there enough threads recounting
the death of Hal and the GLC?
--
Roman Numeral One icono...@mail.clis.com
Dale Hicks
Dale Hicks <icono...@mail.clis.comXXX> wrote in article
<01bd7961$62d5a880$4733...@iconoclast.clis.com>...
>
>
> Tal'n Lazarus <taln...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote in article
> <35511B07...@postoffice.pacbell.net>...
> > Er, hello, this might be a stupid question, but I've been out of comics
> > for a while, and I was wondering what had happened to the Green Lantern
> > corps? Thanks
>
> Omar's at pacbell now, right? Aren't there enough threads recounting
> the death of Hal and the GLC?
Ahh, let me be more civil, in case this isn't the troller Omar. Heck,
even in trolling, I doubt Omar would use "thanks".
Hal Jordan, the greatest GL ever, went and killed 'em all. Discussions
on this can be heard all over here, in Wizard, and in some parts of
Des Moines.
Default
In article <35511B07...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
taln...@postoffice.pacbell.net says...
>
>Er, hello, this might be a stupid question, but I've been out of comics
>for a while, and I was wondering what had happened to the Green Lantern
>corps? Thanks
>
Well let's see. Coast City was blown up, so Hal went crazy and killed off the
GL corps and then the ring was given to Kyle Rayner and 50 issues later, Kyle's
still GL.
Tal'n Lazarus
Ahh, sorry, I had no idea this was a bad topic..I just couldn't find the answer
in any of the previous threads....and um, who's Omar?
Dale Hicks wrote:
> Dale Hicks <icono...@mail.clis.comXXX> wrote in article
> <01bd7961$62d5a880$4733...@iconoclast.clis.com>...
> >
> >
> > Tal'n Lazarus <taln...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote in article
> > <35511B07...@postoffice.pacbell.net>...
> > > Er, hello, this might be a stupid question, but I've been out of comics
> > > for a while, and I was wondering what had happened to the Green Lantern
> > > corps? Thanks
> >
Tal'n Lazarus
Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but, how did
one man manage to kill them all? I thought the corps was big. And doesn't the
ring use a lantern as a power source? I haven't seen Kyle carrying one around..but
then again, I've only seen him in JLA
Default wrote:
> In article <35511B07...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
> taln...@postoffice.pacbell.net says...
> >
> >Er, hello, this might be a stupid question, but I've been out of comics
> >for a while, and I was wondering what had happened to the Green Lantern
> >corps? Thanks
> >
>
Richard D. Bergstresser Jr.
Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
>
> Ahh, sorry, I had no idea this was a bad topic..I just couldn't find the answer
> in any of the previous threads....and um, who's Omar?
>
A frequent Troll whose most virulent posts are responses to people who
despise the current GL book.
Since many of his pseudonyms use variations on OmarIsGod, and a
recent one attempted to use "Jehovah" but couldn't spell it, the
suspicion that "Lazarus" was another of his attempts to start a
fight was virtually inevitable. Evidence against? You were polite
and spelled correctly.
Welcome to the group whoever you are!
I'd answer your original question but I've been told I'm too biased. :(
The story that wiped out the Corp was, IMO, one of the worst DC
has ever published.
--
Danke,
Rich
(To respond by email remove the letters BLOCK from my address.)
Richard D. Bergstresser Jr.
Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
>
> Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but, how did
> one man manage to kill them all? I thought the corps was big.
Heh, hadn't looked at that. Thanks for adding another plot
flaw to a long list. :)
> I thought the corps was big. And doesn't the
> ring use a lantern as a power source? I haven't seen Kyle carrying one around..but
> then again, I've only seen him in JLA
Basically, Hal drained the power of each GL he defeated adding it too
his own. We HAVE seen GL's combine power before so that's not too much
of a stretch. Eventually he got to Oa and destroyed the central battery,
leaving ALL the remaining GL's powerless.
MPonte1006
>Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but, how
>did
>the
>ring use a lantern as a power source? I haven't seen Kyle carrying one
>around..but
>then again, I've only seen him in JLA
>
>
He has a lantern just like eveyone else. The reason Hal took them out was
because of a full pronged assault upon him with all the Gl's, they went one on
one against him until he hit OA
Michael Ponte- Love Machine
eternally
Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
>
> Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but, how did
> one man manage to kill them all? I thought the corps was big. And
it _would_ be nice if the storyline of a major DC hero's history
actually made sense, wouldn't it...?
this is part of what the whole "hal got screwed by bad writing"
argument is all about.
Edward Mathews
Richard D. Bergstresser Jr. (rich...@erBLOCKols.com) wrote:
: Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
: >
: > Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but, how did
: > one man manage to kill them all? I thought the corps was big.
: Heh, hadn't looked at that. Thanks for adding another plot
They weren't that big at this point in time. Hal just finished reforming
the Corps. from scratch.
Ed (FYI) Mathews
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murr...@utica.ucsu.edu
In article <35511B07...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
taln...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> Er, hello, this might be a stupid question, but I've been out of comics
> for a while, and I was wondering what had happened to the Green Lantern
> corps? Thanks
>
>
If you liked the corp like me, the GL staff isn't interested in you.
You're better off staying away.
Mike M
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murr...@utica.ucsu.edu
In article <355211...@hotmail.com>,
eter...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
> >
> > Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but,
how did
>
> it _would_ be nice if the storyline of a major DC hero's history
> actually made sense, wouldn't it...?
>
> this is part of what the whole "hal got screwed by bad writing"
> argument is all about.
>
VERY WELL SAID
MM
Kestrel
em...@is3.nyu.edu (Edward Mathews) wrote:
>Richard D. Bergstresser Jr. (rich...@erBLOCKols.com) wrote:
>: Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
>: >
>: > Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but, how did
>: > one man manage to kill them all? I thought the corps was big.
>:
>: Heh, hadn't looked at that. Thanks for adding another plot
>: flaw to a long list. :)
>
>They weren't that big at this point in time. Hal just finished reforming
>the Corps. from scratch.
Beyond that, Hal didn't kill all of them; quite a few
made it to the Darkstars, IIRC.
Kestrel
Contrary to popular opinion, the United
States government is a bozocracy: a
government of clowns, by clowns, and
for clowns. Any explanation to the
contrary is just plain silly.
Triaxm'l
eternally wrote in message <355211...@hotmail.com>...
>Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
>>
>> Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but,
how did
>> one man manage to kill them all? I thought the corps was big. And
>
>
>it _would_ be nice if the storyline of a major DC hero's history
>actually made sense, wouldn't it...?
>
>this is part of what the whole "hal got screwed by bad writing"
>argument is all about.
Wasn't the GL corp broken up for a while before? Hal and Killowog were in
the process of recreating it, and it only had about 25 members. Each
trained by Hal, and picked by Hal.
Hal took them apart like a cheap car. The only GL around that was a threat
at the time, was Killowog. (Up until Sinestro showed up, of course.)
It's amazing what people will use to bolster their *facts*, even if they
aren't correct. =)
But hey, some of feel the story wasn't that out of bounds. Or that it wasn't
an incorrect portrait of Hal after his city had been destroyed. But, hey,
that's just me, right?
Default
In article <3551C34C...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
taln...@postoffice.pacbell.net says...
>
>Ahh, sorry, I had no idea this was a bad topic..I just couldn't find the
answer
>in any of the previous threads....and um, who's Omar?
Some feeb whose email adress is moge...@aol.com>
>Dale Hicks wrote:
>
>> Dale Hicks <icono...@mail.clis.comXXX> wrote in article
>> <01bd7961$62d5a880$4733...@iconoclast.clis.com>...
>> >
>> >
>> > Tal'n Lazarus <taln...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote in article
>> > <35511B07...@postoffice.pacbell.net>...
>> > > Er, hello, this might be a stupid question, but I've been out of comics
>> > > for a while, and I was wondering what had happened to the Green Lantern
>> > > corps? Thanks
>> >
Default
In article <355211...@hotmail.com>, eter...@hotmail.com says...
>
>Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
>>
>> Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but,
how did
>> one man manage to kill them all? I thought the corps was big. And
>
>
>it _would_ be nice if the storyline of a major DC hero's history
>actually made sense, wouldn't it...?
>
>this is part of what the whole "hal got screwed by bad writing"
>argument is all about.
Holds little water since the writing had nothing to do with it. The editorial
team is to blame for the hurried nature of an otherwise dynamic storyline. I've
said it before and I'll say it again, no one short of Mark Waid could've
scripted a three-issue mental downfall for a DC staple better.
jonny boy
> >
> > Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
> > >
> > > Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but,
> how did
> > > one man manage to kill them all? I thought the corps was big. And
> >
> > it _would_ be nice if the storyline of a major DC hero's history
> > actually made sense, wouldn't it...?
> >
> > this is part of what the whole "hal got screwed by bad writing"
> > argument is all about.
> >
>
He didn't kill them all, he killed the ones that were in his way, and the rest
just lost their powers when the battery was destroyed/absorbed by Hal.
murr...@utica.ucsu.edu
In article <6itr25$dbo$1...@uni.library.ucla.edu>,
JoeB...@ucla.edu (Default) wrote:
>
> Holds little water since the writing had nothing to do with it. The
editorial
> team is to blame for the hurried nature of an otherwise dynamic storyline.
I've
> said it before and I'll say it again, no one short of Mark Waid could've
> scripted a three-issue mental downfall for a DC staple better.
>
>
From what I've seen of his work (everything since the start of his FLASH
run), Waid would't have touched that story with a ten foot pole.
Mike Murray
Mogen Dave
JoeB...@ucla.edu (Omar) wrote:
>In article <3551C34C...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
>taln...@postoffice.pacbell.net says...
>>
>>Ahh, sorry, I had no idea this was a bad topic..I just couldn't find the
>answer
>>in any of the previous threads....and um, who's Omar?
>
>Some feeb whose email adress is moge...@aol.com>
LOL! Keep trying, Eric. And please learn how to spell "address."
Matt, I mean Dave
Default
In article <199805081752...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, moge...@aol.com
says...
There's only one d in adress, fuckwit.
>
>Matt, I mean Dave
Default
In article <6iviok$j90$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, murr...@utica.ucsu.edu says...
>
>In article <6itr25$dbo$1...@uni.library.ucla.edu>,
> JoeB...@ucla.edu (Default) wrote:
>
>>
>> Holds little water since the writing had nothing to do with it. The
>editorial
>> team is to blame for the hurried nature of an otherwise dynamic storyline.
>I've
>> said it before and I'll say it again, no one short of Mark Waid could've
>> scripted a three-issue mental downfall for a DC staple better.
>>
>>
>
> From what I've seen of his work (everything since the start of his FLASH
>run), Waid would't have touched that story with a ten foot pole.
>
>Mike Murray
Since he could've written it better, I have a feeling he would have.
Love Cannibal
Default <JoeB...@ucla.edu> wrote in article
<6j1blp$c1g$7...@uni.library.ucla.edu>...
> In article <199805081752...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
moge...@aol.com
> says...
--snip--
> >LOL! Keep trying, Eric. And please learn how to spell "address."
>
> There's only one d in adress, fuckwit.
In the version of English I was taught there are two Ds in the word
address.
Why are you so consistently rude to people when there is no need for it?
It is possible to get your point across without it.
Default
In article <01bd7b6b$d357b6a0$f95d868b@kurgen>,
lovecannibal{nospam}@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>Default <JoeB...@ucla.edu> wrote in article
><6j1blp$c1g$7...@uni.library.ucla.edu>...
>> In article <199805081752...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>moge...@aol.com
>> says...
>--snip--
>> >LOL! Keep trying, Eric. And please learn how to spell "address."
>>
>> There's only one d in adress, fuckwit.
>
>In the version of English I was taught there are two Ds in the word
>address.
Not me. Go back and check again.
Nate Cook
Default wrote:
> >> >LOL! Keep trying, Eric. And please learn how to spell "address."
> >>
> >> There's only one d in adress, fuckwit.
> >
> >In the version of English I was taught there are two Ds in the word
> >address.
>
> Not me. Go back and check again.
Please tell me that someone that says he's attending UCLA is not that
stupid.
Gérard Morvan
Default wrote:
> >In the version of English I was taught there are two Ds in the word
> >address.
>
> Not me. Go back and check again.
Sorry, Default, this time you lose: according to my french/english
dictionary, there's one d in the french word "adresse" but two in its
english counterpart "address". I think Mr. Webster would agree with Mr.
Larousse, here!
Gérard Morvan
Mogen Dave
JoeB...@ucla.edu (Omar) wrote:
>There's only one d in adress, fuckwit.
Well, if you're talking about the garment your mother made you
wear to school because she wanted a girl instead, that would be
"a dress." There's no such word as "adress," but I'm sure you
knew that.
Dave, I mean Matt
Peter Petroff
Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
>
> Er, hello, this might be a stupid question, but I've been out of comics
> for a while, and I was wondering what had happened to the Green Lantern
> corps? Thanks
Whoa-ho, this is gonna be a LONG article here. Sorry guys'n'gals...
Hi,
I caught the thread you started on the newsgroup. I'm guessing you
didn't get a satisfactory response, did you? Apologies to anyone who did
give one, I missed it...
I'm also guessing that you left comics and the Green Lantern corps
around the 1980's, is that right?
Well, I'm sitting here at work and right now, nobody's bothering me (ah,
an IT support job!), so if you haven't got a satisfactory answer and
don't mind the quick (alright, not quick) rant...
Also, if I get any of this wrong, could you please correct me at
mailto:pet...@ucaqld.com.au ? Thanks...
The Corps as presented in the DC comics title "The Green Lantern Corps"
ended with the Corps finally managing to capture Sinestro. At this
stage, all of the Guardians with the exception of Appa Ali Apsa (aka the
"Old Timer") are in their alternate dimension with the Zamarons,
apparently to procreate, rejoin with the "feminine side of their natures
which they had denied for so long" and generate the "new generation of
Guardians".
The Corps decide to vote whether to execute Sinestro for their crimes,
in front of a "full" assembly of the Corps (about 900 of the 3600
missing for some reason). Sinestro appears extremely confident that they
will NOT execute him, because he knows something they don't. Appa, with
most of his Guardian power and memories gone, doesn't interfere in any
way with the vote. The consensus of the vote is to execute Sinestro.
Sinestro refuses to believe they'll do it, then becomes exceedingly
panicky, realising they DO intend to go through with it. He starts
yelling that there are alternatives, imprisoning him, etc. The Corps
execute him.
Moments later, Salakk (who had been in the future as Pol Manning
[replacing Jordan]) arrived, hoping that they hadn't executed Sinestro.
According to Salakk, the Oa of the future (was it 5700? Is that about
Pol Manning time?) is a desolate wasteland (this is all pre-Crisis and
has been retconned - after 1990s "Zero Hour", Oa no longer exists since
Kyle Rayner, current GL, destroyed the planet while fighting Hal
"Parallax" Jordan. In the 30th Century [according to current DC
history], only free-floating energy exists where Oa existed).
Apparently there existed an agreement between the Guardians and the
Korugarians (Sinestro's race); when the Guardians abandoned the
Zamarons, the Zamarons took comfort in the arms of the men of Korugar.
Stopping themselves from jealous retribution, the Guardians agreed that
their greatest work, the Battery, would be destroyed if they or their
agents (the Corps) ever raised a hand against the men of Korugar - and
Sinestro knew this. The Corps did NOT know and Appa had forgotten. So,
once Sinestro was executed, the battery began to dissolve.
Almost of the Corps lost their rings. Jordan entered the battery to
defeat the "spirit" of Sinestro that escaped into the Battery. Appa Ali
Apsa followed, regaining his Guardian power and memories. Jordan and
Appa prevented the total dissolution of the Battery; the vast majority
of the Corps were returned to their home planets by the Green Lanterns
still with rings. Appa Ali Apsa remained on Oa as the Last Guardian, to
advise.
* All of this storyline happened around "Green Lantern Corps" issue
200ish, I think. From here, we jump forward a LOT, to after the end of
the GLC title and after the restart of "Green Lantern" "Emerald Dawn"
and "The Road Back" trade paperbacks.
"Emerald Dawn" retells the story of Jordan, Abin Sur and the Guardians.
I believe most of the above continuity slips in after this, the collapse
of the Corps, etc.
In "The Road Back", we see a dispirited Jordan, an aggressive Guy
Gardner and a guilt-ridden John Stewart (after he allowed a planet to be
destroyed in "Cosmic Odyssey", events touched on in the newest issues of
"GL" when Kyle speaks to John Stewart or the J'onn J'onzz, the Martian
Manhunter). These three are the ONLY GREEN LANTERNS left in the DCU.
Jordan is trying to distance himself from the ring and "that cosmic
weirdness" and come "down to earth". Stewart, nearly crippled with
guilt, signals Appa on Oa, trying to communicate and get advice, seek
absolution, whatever. Appa doesn't answer and Stewart goes to
personally.
Stewart finds Appa and the corpse of "Priest" (beats me, from the
context, some sort of galactic holy man, who had come to console Appa).
Appa, after an immortal lifetime of living within a tight Maltusian or
mind-linked Guardian community, has gone insane after being alone on Oa
for several years. Appa killed Priest. Stewart tries to escape and is
imprisoned by Appa, insanely-ly (??) lonely for company. Appa gets it
into his head that he can "bring all his old friends back to him" (you
may remember that Appa stepped down from Guardianhood to accompany
Jordan and Green Arrow Oliver Queen on a discovery trek across America's
heartlands). Appa ABDUCTS ENTIRE CITIES from Earth and other planets,
planets Appa has visited. He "plants" them on Oa, sets up viable
atmospheres and environments for them, powered by his personal power,
enhanced by the Battery (only a few GLs and him the only Guardian
accessing the Battery makes him the most powerful individual Guardian of
all). His planting resulted in cities like those of the Steam-Frogs of
Glubo with their boiling sulphuric rain (is that right?) right next to
one of the American midwest cities he travelled through.
To cut a long story short (TOO LATE! :-), Jordan, Stewart and Gardner
defeat the Old-Timer Appa, recall the Guardians and are ordered to new
duties: Gardner is the Green Lantern for Earth and 2814, Jordan becomes
the recruiter for the New Green Lantern Corps the Guardians will set up
(they repair the Battery and create new rings and batteries) and Stewart
becomes the Green Lantern for the collection of cities Appa left behind,
now called the "Mosaic".
* "Green Lantern: Mosaic" became a "Green Lantern" storyline for four
issues, then a spin-off title "Green Lantern: Mosaic" of its own, that
lasted 18 issues. It dealt with Stewart dealing with the cultural
situations and tensions on the Mosaic. Also saw the return of Kryssma
from her larval/cocoon state. Eventually, Stewart apparently was the
fulfilment of Guardian prophecy and became a Guardian himself (an all
powerful character? This didn't last long...)
Jordan recruits new Green Lanterns (e.g. Brik, Kreon, Boodikka, Amanita,
Percival, Tomar Tu [clan-relative of Tomar Re], old faves like Kilowog
and G'nort [no, really!], so on, etc.).
Many issues later, around GL#late40s, leading up to #50: Superman's
death at the hands of Doomsday and resurrection involve the characters
of Mongul and the Cyborg Hank Henshaw. They intend to take Earth as
Mongul's new WarWorld and plant a planet-level engine - right on Coast
City, Jordan's home. Jordan returns home to find this and helps defeat
Mongul and the Cyborg.
In the aftermath (and MANY people don't agree with the writing of this
storyline), Jordan recreates the WHOLE of Coast City with his ring. He's
about to make peace with and get the life-awaited approval of the
reconstruction/spirit/will-SOMEONE-tell-me-which! of his dead father
Martin (?) Jordan. Two seconds before he gets his approval, the charge
on Jordan's ring runs out and a Guardian-projection appears, telling
Jordan off for using his ring for personal gain. The Guardian orders
Jordan's surrender and "extradition" to Oa. Jordan snaps, recharges his
ring off the projection (destroying it), looks decidedly evil and runs
the gauntlet of Guardian-placed Green Lanterns, ordered to stop Jordan
getting to Oa. Getting more and more brutal on his way to Oa, Jordan
defeated them all one-on-one and took their rings to augment his own
power (by the time he got to Boodikka, he was brutal enough to cut her
hand off to get the ring). When he got to Oa, he was faced by Kilowog,
whom he eventually killed (we're talking flesh right off the bone here).
Then he faced the reincarnation of Sinestro - Sinestro was given a body,
a pardon and a ring by the Guardians on the condition that he stop
Jordan. The ring-fight turned into a hand-to-hand and Jordan snapped his
neck.
Jordan then abandoned his ring, entered the Battery, draining its power
and killing the Guardians (?) in the process. During this, the Guardians
surrendered their power and knowledge to Ganthet (a Guardian Jordan has
dealt with before in "Ganthet's Tale" by Byrne and the Corps fighting
with Entropy/Krona [a hybrid of the 80s comics and Byrne's "GT").
Jordan's absorption of the Battery left all other rings and Green
Lanterns powerless. After Jordan (now in a persona that will come to be
called "Parallax") reappears (no trace of the Battery), he crushes his
old ring underfoot, then leaves, flying into space. Ganthet rises from
the pile of dead Guardian bodies (ew!), collects the crushed remnants of
Jordan's ring, then reforges it into a new ring, goes to Earth and
leaves the ring in the hands of Kyle Rayner, freelance graphic artist.
This ring is powered by a (small-b) battery, a "fragment of Oa" itself,
not dependent on the (now utterly destroyed big-B Battery).
Jordan's absorption of the Battery has taken all of John Stewart's power
(and Guardianhood) and left the Corps powerless. In issues of
"Darkstars" (a police force founded by the Controllers, "cousins" to the
Guardians) and "Guy Gardner: Warrior"...
(Small side note here: Gardner is ousted by Jordan as GL of 2814;
Gardner goes on to trick G'nort and Lobo into helping him get Sinestro's
yellow ring and maintain his "hero" status. Gardner's ring is destoryed
in a fight with Parallax/Jordan. He then "quests" for more power in the
Nabba jungle on Earth where we discover that Gardner's heritage is part
alien, he has body-morphing to weapons capabilities as the last of a
race of protectors called "Vuldarians", established before the Corps)
Anyway, in those issues, we discover that surviving ex-Green Lanterns
have either been tortured, enslaved, sold, abandoned or killed, mostly
by (get this - ) Gardner's (human style, but more powerful) evil
clone-twin (created by a race out to destroy Green Lanterns). Many were
recovered from a slave auction, including Kryssma, Brik and Percival.
G'nort's fate is unknown, just some mutterings from Percival to
Gardner/Warrior along the lines of "oh, what he did to the dog, the poor
dog". Other ex-Green Lanterns were killed by Grayven (unrecognised son
of Darkseid) and "Fatality", the last survivor of the planet Stewart
destroyed in "Cosmic Odyssey" (what WAS that planet called!?) - her
self-appointed mission was to kill every GL she could get her hands on,
in revenge for the GL/Stewart-induced destruction of her planet. (It is
generally considered that Ron Marz/Kevin Dooley, current writer/editor
of GL wanted to utterly remove all trace of the Corps and used Grayven
and Fatality to do so. Me, I'm leaving my opinions out of this, I'm just
calling it how it's been seen).
Kyle Rayner tripped into the 30th Century (Legionnaires) to discover a
gang of six (?) thieves calling themselves the "Green Lantern Corps" and
using and then sullying the reputation of the Corps using
technologically-based rings tapping free-floating residue energy from
the site of Oa's destruction.
That, as it stands (and as I can recall without my collection in front
of me), is the history of the Green Lantern Corps from the 80s issues to
now. Rumours and the like abound - confirmed, the still time-tripping
Kyle Rayner is soon to meet Hal Jordan from BEFORE the famous
yellow-ringed-Sinestro/Jordan fight. Rayner will assist Jordan in this
fight (before, Jordan won alone) and Rayner gets to see Oa in its glory
days. Then Jordan and Rayner go forward to the 90s, Kyle's home-time.
Beyond this, I know nothing. Rumours that the Corps will be re-instated
(in spite of/because of/who-knows of the Marz/Dooley decision?), rumours
of Kyle becoming a space/time-wandering GL, who knows. Go figure. Me,
I'll just trundle along and see how it goes. I don't like the whole
changing of history/continuity one-tiny-little-bit, but that's just me.
Again, apologies for the whole rant. I just have this silly thing about
accuracy in stories, which leads me to rave on. I have a small page
dedicated to Green Lantern...
http://busch.ucaqld.com.au/~peterp
http://busch.ucaqld.com.au/~peterp/Topics/Comics/GL.htm
Hey, DC or http://www.glcorps.org/ , does this get me an honorary Green
Lantern membership? Please-please-prettyplease!??? :-)
P.
bsvit...@mln.lib.ma.us
In article <3557F400...@ucaqld.com.au>,
Peter Petroff <pet...@ucaqld.com.au> wrote:
>
> The Corps decide to vote whether to execute Sinestro for their crimes,
> in front of a "full" assembly of the Corps (about 900 of the 3600
> missing for some reason).
I'm not sure about this, but it might be because the Corps never completely
restored its ranks after two major disasters. The battle against Krona killed
about 1/3 of the Corps, if I recall correctly, and the Crisis killed (I think)
half of them.
Tal'n Lazarus
wow...
thanks
eternally
Peter Petroff wrote:
>
> Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
allow me to editorialize for no particular reason, since you were
so even handed...
> most of his Guardian power and memories gone, doesn't interfere in any
> way with the vote. The consensus of the vote is to execute Sinestro.
> Sinestro refuses to believe they'll do it, then becomes exceedingly
> panicky, realising they DO intend to go through with it. He starts
> yelling that there are alternatives, imprisoning him, etc. The Corps
> execute him.
this was SUCH a great scene. i loved the look on Sinestro's face. :)
> Kyle Rayner, current GL, destroyed the planet while fighting Hal
> "Parallax" Jordan. In the 30th Century [according to current DC
> history], only free-floating energy exists where Oa existed).
i don't really "get" this. why is there "free-floating energy" there?
(i assume this is just a story device for Marz to use as a hook and
isn't "supposed" to make sense.) I was under the impression evil-Hal
absorbed all the energy. Oh well. Maybe some future writer will reuse
this hook to fix things... :)
> * "Green Lantern: Mosaic" became a "Green Lantern" storyline for four
> issues, then a spin-off title "Green Lantern: Mosaic" of its own, that
> lasted 18 issues. It dealt with Stewart dealing with the cultural
> situations and tensions on the Mosaic. Also saw the return of Kryssma
i may be the only one, but i kinda liked "Mosaic". it had things
to say and it said them in an entertaining and interesting way.
> from her larval/cocoon state. Eventually, Stewart apparently was the
> fulfilment of Guardian prophecy and became a Guardian himself (an all
> powerful character? This didn't last long...)
thank god. there should either be one guardian or all of them, not an
assortment of various types and levels.
> Jordan off for using his ring for personal gain. The Guardian orders
> Jordan's surrender and "extradition" to Oa. Jordan snaps, recharges his
> ring off the projection (destroying it), looks decidedly evil and runs
here's the exact point where it starts to begin not making sense.
Hal has dealt with a lot worse than this and gotten burnt worse by the
Guardians in the past without this kind of reaction.
> the gauntlet of Guardian-placed Green Lanterns, ordered to stop Jordan
> getting to Oa. Getting more and more brutal on his way to Oa, Jordan
waitasec - they were trying to get him to come to OA to begin with, no?
why try and STOP him? and if they couldn't deal with him once he got
there, why did they order him to come? (if they had not put all those
GLs in his way trying to stop him, he wouldn't have had that increased
power level when he got there). what a silly, tangled mess.
> defeated them all one-on-one and took their rings to augment his own
> power (by the time he got to Boodikka, he was brutal enough to cut her
> hand off to get the ring). When he got to Oa, he was faced by Kilowog,
yup. and this is someone _he recruited_, right. unbelievable.
> whom he eventually killed (we're talking flesh right off the bone here).
his trainer, IIRC. arguably his best buddy in the Corps.
> Jordan then abandoned his ring, entered the Battery, draining its power
> and killing the Guardians (?) in the process. During this, the
this was never really explained, was it? the only possible explanation
i can come up with for this (since the way it appeared makes no sense)
is that the guardians allowed this to appear to happen, since they
either foresaw the future or had an ulterior motive yet to be revealed
(by someone other than the book's current team).
> leaves the ring in the hands of Kyle Rayner, freelance graphic artist.
> This ring is powered by a (small-b) battery, a "fragment of Oa"
did i hear about some rumor that there will be an issue showing why or
how the guardian made such a bizarre/crappy choice?
> not dependent on the (now utterly destroyed big-B Battery).
they still haven't reallt explained the way this works now, or the
charge system of the new ring....right?
> Jordan's absorption of the Battery has taken all of John Stewart's >power
good. :)
> (and Guardianhood) and left the Corps powerless. In issues of
bad. :(
> Nabba jungle on Earth where we discover that Gardner's heritage is part
> alien, he has body-morphing to weapons capabilities as the last of a
> race of protectors called "Vuldarians", established before the Corps)
this being so silly is one of the reasons i never picked up any of
Gardner's solo books.
> generally considered that Ron Marz/Kevin Dooley, current writer/editor
> of GL wanted to utterly remove all trace of the Corps and used Grayven
> and Fatality to do so. Me, I'm leaving my opinions out of this, I'm just
> calling it how it's been seen).
that much is pretty obvious, even to Marz supporters, i believe.
which really sucks, IMHO. talk about cutting off your mose to spite
your face. "i don't wanna play with these toys, so i'm gonna make
sure no one else can, either. SNAP! "
> technologically-based rings tapping free-floating residue energy from
> the site of Oa's destruction.
okay, here's another reason this makes no sense - is the energy still
there? then what's to prevent it from being done again by someone else?
> days. Then Jordan and Rayner go forward to the 90s, Kyle's home-time.
>
> Beyond this, I know nothing. Rumours that the Corps will be re-instated
> (in spite of/because of/who-knows of the Marz/Dooley decision?), rumours
> of Kyle becoming a space/time-wandering GL, who knows.
soooooooomething tells me everything will return to the staus quo and
all of this is just a Marz/Dooley sales-teaser and shoring-up of the
Kyle character via legitimicy-by-association. but that's just MHO. :)
Peter Petroff
eternally wrote:
> this is a very well written and concise history. nicely done.
Ooh. Thank you very much. Although I must have been stuffed when I wrote
it yesterday; I read again and all missing words... isn't the
strangest :-)
> allow me to editorialize for no particular reason, since you were
> so even handed...
Hm. Trying to work out if that's a compliment or not... :->
My god, why DO I write such insanely long articles!?!?!?
(As a subpoint, I went shopping on Saturday and saw a Marvel X-Men Quake
Total Conversion pack. Damn! I can't even find the old Sega "Justice
League Task Force" game anymore. How come Marvel get all the cool
merchandise!? Granted, rings and extra books and stuff. But I want to
play a Green Lantern or a Vuldarian or the Flash or something on my
computer! WAAH!
> this was SUCH a great scene. i loved the look on Sinestro's face. :)
Yeah. Panic on Sinestro's face. Very nicely done, it looked SO good!
> > Kyle Rayner, current GL, destroyed the planet while fighting Hal
> > "Parallax" Jordan. In the 30th Century [according to current DC
> > history], only free-floating energy exists where Oa existed).
> i don't really "get" this. why is there "free-floating energy" there?
> (i assume this is just a story device for Marz to use as a hook and
> isn't "supposed" to make sense.) I was under the impression evil-Hal
> absorbed all the energy. Oh well. Maybe some future writer will reuse
> this hook to fix things... :)
I should have described more fully. According to DC/Marvel's "Green
Lantern/Silver Surfer":
At first, the destruction of Oa left a hole in the DCU that connected it
to the Marvel Universe. The Cyborg fell through it into the Marvel-verse
(that the right name?), Parallax/Jordan went after him and met up with
Marvel's Silver Surfer. Marvel's Thanos (that right?) sent Marvel's
Terrax (that right?) through it to have a go at Kyle, then came through
himself.
Hey, which brings up another point. While Kyle was in C30, he said he'd
only been to Oa once before, to blow it up. But he was there again in
GL/SS. Is this because a) Kyle forgot (a la Access's incredible ability
to induce amnesia) or b) Ron Marz forgot? My question to the world is,
is GL/SS (and for that matter, DCvsMarvel) canon or not!? Did it
actually happen, is it continuity?
Long story short, the "hole" closed up again, sending Thanos and Terrax
and the Surfer back to the Marvelverse and pulling Parallax and Kyle
back to the DCU (gotta love those sentient cosmological events, DON'T
YOU!?!?!? Okay, that's MY editorialising!) and no more mention was made
of conditions around the site of Oa.
At least, until Kyle hopped into the 30th Century, where we see that
there's free-floating energy hanging around ex-Oa (this is an EX-PLANET.
It has CEASED to BE! :-). I have a couple of airy-fairy pseudo-physical
theories about that, but I can spin lots of those...
> i may be the only one, but i kinda liked "Mosaic". it had things
> to say and it said them in an entertaining and interesting way.
Actually, I LOVED IT. I kept referring to it as "wow, a comic that ISN'T
just guys in underwear beating the crap out of each other! Mind you, I
said the same thing about Lew Shiner's "The Hacker Files" and look what
happened to that... yes, I love GL, but there shoulda been NO
superheroes in that comic...
Anyway, I loved "Mosaic" so much I hunted through three comic shops in
weird places to get all 18 issues. The last time I posted a big post, I
made reference to the prematurely closed "Mosaic" title. Kevin Dooley
read it and replied that it wasn't prematurely closed, they gave Gerard
Jones time to close it nicely. However, I've always felt that this
theory was pretty much negated by the "preview clips" of all the things
John Stewart told us there was to see in the last issue of Mosaic (what
was the line? "Oh the things I could show you" or something?).
> here's the exact point where it starts to begin not making sense.
> Hal has dealt with a lot worse than this and gotten burnt worse by the
> Guardians in the past without this kind of reaction.
Look at Kilowog. His densely populated planet and all its people were
blown up TWICE. Did Kilowog go mad?
Okay, so he did. But he didn't try to rebuild his world -
Okay, so he did. But at least he was sane while he did it and used an
unpopulated planet for it. THEN he went mad when IT was destroyed. And
he wasn't rational at the time, so that was fair enough.
Anyway, I agree. Of all the things that could have happened, I didn't
think that someone with a will as strong as Jordan's would've gone off
the deep end. But then again, I only did one semester of PY101
psychology, who knows how different things make different people react?
Maybe (assuming these people existed) Jordan WAS so deeply emotionally
rooted in Coast City that it made him snap (mind you, he snapped in a
VERY [read: suspiciously] sane, calculating and reasonable way, if you
ask me...)
Hey, does anybody know how far in advance DC plan these things? I mean,
how far back did "Superman" writers plan that Coast City would go boom?
And did they deliberately choose Coast City with a view towards creating
Parallax? Or did Kevin Dooley ask Superman writers to do that or what?
> > the gauntlet of Guardian-placed Green Lanterns, ordered to stop Jordan
> > getting to Oa. Getting more and more brutal on his way to Oa, Jordan
> waitasec - they were trying to get him to come to OA to begin with, no?
They were hoping/believing that Jordan would come back meekly, not
preparing to tear the heads (or hands) off everybody in the way. They
didn't dream that their "greatest ever" would come back to destroy the
plans they'd spent the better part of ten thousand million years making
and preserving...
> why try and STOP him? and if they couldn't deal with him once he got
> there, why did they order him to come? (if they had not put all those
> GLs in his way trying to stop him, he wouldn't have had that increased
> power level when he got there). what a silly, tangled mess.
Again, it's pretty weird. If I were a Guardian
(didle-deedle-didle-deedle-didle-deedle-didle-dum, all day long I'd...
:-) I would have thought I'd have the facility to shut off a ring. The
stupid dog-soldiers working for Desaad could do it (granted Desaad's
comment "we're gods, your Oan toy presents no difficulty), but the
Guardians DID BUILD the damn thing...
I think the reason (excuse) generally given is that the Guardians are
"so set in their ways of inaction". On the one hand, this is their
SURVIVAL we're talking here, as well as the rest of the Universe. On the
other hand, it's been HOW many thousand million years since they've
acted? I mean, this is one hell of a rut to get out of...
(If I can throw in my two cents worth, this is like the arguments I've
heard in "Doctor Who" [anyone ever watch that?]. Only there, you don't
know what's canon and what's not. Yes, the TV show is canon, the Virgin
books (probably) aren't, the new BBC books (probably) are... we sit here
talking about what Jordan may or may not have thought or done, but in
the end, it's in the hands of the writer and the editor. Kyle Rayner is
what Ron Marz (with Kevin Dooley) makes him, whether any of us may like
it or not. If you really don't like what he does, whatcha gonna do?
("You don't VOTE for kings!" "Well how'd you become king then?" :-)
> > hand off to get the ring). When he got to Oa, he was faced by Kilowog,
> yup. and this is someone _he recruited_, right. unbelievable.
> > whom he eventually killed (we're talking flesh right off the bone here).
> his trainer, IIRC. arguably his best buddy in the Corps.
Kinda. (Reading from "Emerald Dawn" continuity here):
When Jordan was first drafted by Sur, he went to the GL in the next
sector over (Tomar Re) for advice. They both went to Oa and Jordan was
trained by the then well-established "boot-camp" "base-trainer" for the
Corps, Kilowog. Then the Corps fell over, Kilowog went to Earth working
for the League. When Jordan started putting the Corps together again
(after "The Road Back"), he "recruited" Kil as an already experienced
trainer for the newbies. And yeah, pretty much his best buddy (Poozer!)
in the Corps of all time.
I think the story reason is that Jordan was so far gone, he wasn't going
to let ANY agent of the Guardians stand in his way, no matter who. And
Jordan DID warn him. I think by that stage, Jordan was just a little too
far gone; killing the Pooz probably helped him snap back into reality a
little bit, hence the tears just before Jordan took the Battery. (Okay,
IMhhhhhO, the whole scene was weird, just not what we've come to expect
from the "square-jawed hero", "everybody's favourite uncle" Hal.)
(People have asked whether I like/hate Hal/Kyle, especially since my
last post was so neutral. The answer is: they're Green Lanterns, I like
'em all. [I liked Gardner and Stewart too, gotta problem with that!?
:-)] I may have quibbles with writing/editing decisions, but them's the
breaks. I got over this whole "Hal! Kyle!" debacle VERY shortly after it
started. Familiar with "Doctor Who"? There are EIGHT Doctors (with
provision for a total of thirteen, and they're all meant to be the ONE
AND THE SAME PERSON). You tend to get over things like "Hal! Kyle!" real
easy when you've learnt to get over things like "Bill! Patrick! Jon!
Tom! Peter! Colin! Sylvester! Paul!". In the words of "Fast Forward's"
Michael Veitch's comedy character "Father Thorofare"... "I think there's
something in that for all of us, don't you?". [Sorry if anyone's
offended...])
> > Jordan then abandoned his ring, entered the Battery, draining its power
> > and killing the Guardians (?) in the process. During this, the
> this was never really explained, was it? the only possible explanation
> i can come up with for this (since the way it appeared makes no sense)
> is that the guardians allowed this to appear to happen, since they
> either foresaw the future or had an ulterior motive yet to be revealed
> (by someone other than the book's current team).
The "hidden ulterior motive" can always be done. Me, I would REALLY
regret it if this were to happen though. It was made fairly clear that
all of the Guardians' secrets should have been cleared up around the
Entropy/Krona battle.
(Except in Jones's original issue#50 script, the Guardians had one more
little secret that they hadn't revealed to Jordan...)
But from the look of the #50 that DID come out (the CANON #50), the
Guardians WEREN'T expecting this. Looks like they came up with the
backup plan of investing themselves in Ganthet REAL fast (what was the
alternative? Having thousands of millions of years of planning utterly
stuffed up by one man...).
> > leaves the ring in the hands of Kyle Rayner, freelance graphic artist.
> > This ring is powered by a (small-b) battery, a "fragment of Oa"
I heard there'd be an story that would show what other alternatives
Ganthet considered before he came upon Kyle. Could be retroed to make
sense. Ganthet explained that by the time he got to Kyle (okay, by the
time he got to Earth, but let's ignore that), he was running out of
energy and needed to find a bearer real fast. So it might make sense if
we assume that the other options were all pathetic and Ganthet figured
"well, Kyle's not COMPLETELY useless like those last few losers and I'm
really running out of time, what the hell".
> did i hear about some rumor that there will be an issue showing why or
> how the guardian made such a bizarre/crappy choice?
Look, let's disregard the whole Marz/Dooley thing for a moment. Really,
what's so bad about Kyle? I grant you, he's no Hal, but neither was Guy
Gardner and people were okay with Green Lantern Guy Gardner, weren't
they?
(As a matter of record, I only used to follow "Green Lantern" and
"Flash". Then I ran that NetGL competition that Melissa GGW4PREZ Wilson
won and I went and visited her pages. Then I figured, what the hell, I'd
buy up old issues of "Warrior" too. So it's all HER fault I became a
non-GL-Gardner fan! You hear me, Melissa? IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! :-) By
the way, where's the picture of you wearing the ring on your pages?)
> > not dependent on the (now utterly destroyed big-B Battery).
> they still haven't reallt explained the way this works now, or the
> charge system of the new ring....right?
Yeah, they have.
The way it used to be (this is MY theory bit) the free energy of the
universe (including in part the Source, I suppose) was collected like
one big solar-panel/antenna by Oa. This power, filtered through Oa (and
the sands of Oa), was filtered/refined/channelled to the Battery. From
the Battery, it's transmitted (at least) four-spatial-dimensionally as
well as up-and-down the time dimension to each of the small-b batteries.
The practical upshot (and this is pretty much said by DC) is that the
Battery transmits (alright, transmittED) power to the batteries. Kyle's
battery, on the other hand, is a straight piece of Oa, re-engineered by
Ganthet to act as a mini-(b/B)attery (big-B "Battery" in that it
antenna-collects the energy as Oa's Battery did, small-b "battery" in
that it's Kyle's only and doesn't transmit to other batteries). It's
less powerful and efficient than the Battery, but seeing as it doesn't
have to transmit in five dimensions, it doesn't HAVE to be that
efficient. Should be, but probably isn't.
Here's my theory of the rings, old and new. I have a copy of this on my
web page, catch the address at the end of the post:
The rings don't STORE energy, as we implied from the whole RECHARGING
from the battery thing. The rings are actually conductors and
transducers. Think of the rings as superconductors. We know from
(real-world) physics that superconductors have virtually no resistance
to energy flow. Resistance occurs when electrons, pushed by voltage,
bounce off the atoms in matter that are moving around because they're
warmed up (for those who don't know, atoms move faster when something is
hotter and slower when colder). When the matter is supercooled, the
atoms are pretty much standing stock-still and electrons don't bounce
off them after all. So, for a given voltage, the electrons are unimpeded
and the current (stream of electrons with respect to time) just keeps
going and doesn't stop.
So, I posit: the rings, once recharged, have their
atomic/sub-atomic/quark-level? structures in a "perfect", regular state
- quark level circuits that can act like some sort of sub-sub-atomic
DNA, structuring itself according to instructions (given by the battery
for recharging, or by a Green Lantern in use). These "circuits" emit
streams of Guardian energy as configured as desired by ring-wielders.
It is the process of "recharging" that RE-ORDERS the structure of the
ring so that it can function. When the ring is "running out of charge",
it has nothing to do with actual "energy levels" (except in a
theoretical sense); what's happening is that the ring is disordered, the
"circuits" need a tune-up and realignment and won't emit (or even
function) until "recharged".
The original rings (as well as the extra programming for intelligence,
speech and recognising yellow objects) were version 1.0 - functioned
perfectly and under any stresses, but collapsed after 24 hours (imaging
something like Star Trek's "inertial dampening fields" to hold it
together?).
The new ring (version 2.0?) doesn't have the collapse factor (wow, they
got rid of a major bug in the firmware upgrade!). It will work without
collapsing, but the more you ask it to do, the more energy you transfer,
the more strain you put on it, the sooner it collapses. (You COULD say
that it runs out of a finite charge... but then there's no explanation
for Ring v1.0. This way, you can explain v1.0 and v2.0. Alan Scott's
ring was a v1.0 that was non-dealer custom upgraded).
Who says we leave the cosmic stuff and the local bad guys alone for a
while once everything's settled down and have a good metaphysical story
(a.k.a., e.g. The Dreaming, or the upcoming Batman TP where Bruce
Wayne's in a coma and his mind has to battle out of a metaphysical
background of his unconscious brain to get back to consciousness) where
Kyle explores his ring and what it's capable of (not just brute power
like lifting cities or sucking in energy a la GL/SS or the
criminal-Corps "generator")?
What I'd do (IMhhhO), if I were Ron Marz, is have the other batteries
disintegrate. I mean, if he's the only GL of the 90s, there should only
be one battery. I mean, Fatality collected a whole bunch of batteries
and now they're all dead, why have all these useless batteries around?
Clean Up The Universe campaign, you know? Unless someone works out how
to restart those batteries (man, I should write for DC, yah? :-)
> > Jordan's absorption of the Battery has taken all of John Stewart's >power
> good. :)
Oh hey, fair go... how come nobody likes John Stewart?
> > (and Guardianhood) and left the Corps powerless. In issues of
> bad. :(
Yeah well. Go figure.
> > Nabba jungle on Earth where we discover that Gardner's heritage is part
> > alien, he has body-morphing to weapons capabilities as the last of a
> > race of protectors called "Vuldarians", established before the Corps)
> this being so silly is one of the reasons i never picked up any of
> Gardner's solo books.
I don't know if I agree.
a) he doesn't have the potential strength the Green Lanterns had, which
makes him a little more realistic.
b) Gardner is now a "lone, noble knight" sort of character (if you
stretch the definitions a bit :-). I'm sad enough to like that kind of
thing...
c) then again, they DID have him going head-to-head with Superman and
Supergirl, so he's obviously not THAT weak. On the one hand, it makes
him more "human" (pardon the term) that he can't fly. On the other hand,
with the power he's got? He OUGHT to be able to fly.
Hey, has Gardner regenerated his backup heart or was that his last
chance?
> > generally considered that Ron Marz/Kevin Dooley, current writer/editor
> > of GL wanted to utterly remove all trace of the Corps and used Grayven
> > and Fatality to do so. Me, I'm leaving my opinions out of this, I'm just
> > calling it how it's been seen).
> that much is pretty obvious, even to Marz supporters, i believe.
> which really sucks, IMHO. talk about cutting off your mose to spite
> your face. "i don't wanna play with these toys, so i'm gonna make
> sure no one else can, either. SNAP! "
If those were his motivations (which is what the net seems to believe,
then yeah, total agreement. But here's the question. Is that really what
he was thinking? (Look, I'm not TRYING to be fair, it just comes out
that way! :-)
> > technologically-based rings tapping free-floating residue energy from
> > the site of Oa's destruction.
> okay, here's another reason this makes no sense - is the energy still
> there? then what's to prevent it from being done again by someone else?
Respectively:
a) Yes.
b) Nothing. Oh, alright. If I were spinning tales, I'd say the Xudarian
criminal-GL (what was his name?) probably came across the writings of
his ancestor Tomar Re, writing philosophies on the Guardians and the
Corps. This led to clues which allowed this Xudarian to use C30
technology to tap some of the energy, et cetera, et cetera. Either that,
or EVERYMAN AND HIS DOG could do this (then again, Eobard Thawne
triggered the Speed Force and gave himself powers with nothing more than
technology, didn't he?).
As another point, when Kyle said "I've seen what you guys create, pretty
limited"... precisely HOW were they limited? I'd probably give away my
genitals (if I couldn't give somebody else's instead) to be able to do
what that criminal-Corps could do...
> > days. Then Jordan and Rayner go forward to the 90s, Kyle's home-time.
> > Beyond this, I know nothing. Rumours that the Corps will be re-instated
> > (in spite of/because of/who-knows of the Marz/Dooley decision?), rumours
> > of Kyle becoming a space/time-wandering GL, who knows.
> soooooooomething tells me everything will return to the staus quo and
> all of this is just a Marz/Dooley sales-teaser and shoring-up of the
> Kyle character via legitimicy-by-association. but that's just MHO. :)
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Peter Petroff <pet...@ucaqld.com.au>said:
{
Apparently there existed an agreement between the Guardians and the
Korugarians (Sinestro's race); when the Guardians abandoned the
Zamarons, the Zamarons took comfort in the arms of the men of Korugar.
Stopping themselves from jealous retribution, the Guardians agreed that
their greatest work, the Battery, would be destroyed if they or their
agents (the Corps) ever raised a hand against the men of Korugar - and
Sinestro knew this. The Corps did NOT know and Appa had forgotten. So,
once Sinestro was executed, the battery began to dissolve.
}
To me, at the time, the fact that the Guardians made this agreement - *and*
never told the Green Lanterns about it - struck me as one of the (presumably
unintentionally) silliest things I've ever read in a comic book.
My opinion on this subject has not varied.
As ever,
Bennet
Peter Petroff
Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
> Ohh, thanks..but...okay..this might be an even more stupid question..but, how did
> one man manage to kill them all? I thought the corps was big. And a) the man was Hal Jordan, he of the titanic willpower and experience in ring-wielding.
b) the Corps was much smaller, in the process of rebuilding.
c) none of them (bar Kilowog) were as good as he was.
d) he took their rings to augment his own power as he went.
e) the idiots went against him one-on-one, head-to-head.
> ring use a lantern as a power source? I haven't seen Kyle carrying one around..but
> then again, I've only seen him in JLA
He DOES have one. Unlike the old Green Lanterns, he doesn't pull it out
of a convenient extra-dimensional hole accessed by the ring. He just
keeps it in his apartment (which you think, would lead to easy theft -
no wait, it DID!). He doesn't need to charge it every 24 hours like the
Corps did. So we don't really ever see it unless:
a) it's a cool/cute scene to show him recharging or
b) it's a plot device for him to be nearly out of power.
Ohmigod, I DID it! A SHORT NEWSPOST! HOORAY! :-)
P.
eternally
Peter Petroff wrote:
>
> Hm. Trying to work out if that's a compliment or not... :->
neither - i was just saying you didn't editorialize much, so i will. :)
> I should have described more fully. According to DC/Marvel's "Green
> Lantern/Silver Surfer":
> At first, the destruction of Oa left a hole in the DCU that connected it
> to the Marvel Universe. The Cyborg fell through it into the Marvel-verse
> (that the right name?), Parallax/Jordan went after him and met up with
> Marvel's Silver Surfer. Marvel's Thanos (that right?) sent Marvel's
> Terrax (that right?) through it to have a go at Kyle, then came through
> himself.
>
> Hey, which brings up another point. While Kyle was in C30, he said he'd
> only been to Oa once before, to blow it up. But he was there again in
> GL/SS. Is this because a) Kyle forgot (a la Access's incredible ability
> to induce amnesia) or b) Ron Marz forgot? My question to the world is,
> is GL/SS (and for that matter, DCvsMarvel) canon or not!? Did it
> actually happen, is it continuity?
I have always assumed (and i hope to god this is true) that the
crossover/Access crap is not in the regular continuity of either
company. it would create an incredible potential for logistical and
logical snafus if they are. the only place we've seen them appear in
what is apparently regular continuity is in a few panels of a
Marz-scripted GL issue. And i find that very easy to discount...
> Jones time to close it nicely. However, I've always felt that this
> theory was pretty much negated by the "preview clips" of all the things
> John Stewart told us there was to see in the last issue of Mosaic (what
> was the line? "Oh the things I could show you" or something?).
yeah, i got the impression this was the writer's way of saying, "this is
how great my ideas were, i had an endless supply of other directions i
could've gone in, this book is going out at full steam..."
> Look at Kilowog. His densely populated planet and all its people were
> blown up TWICE. Did Kilowog go mad?
> Okay, so he did. But he didn't try to rebuild his world -
> Okay, so he did. But at least he was sane while he did it and used an
> unpopulated planet for it. THEN he went mad when IT was destroyed. And
> he wasn't rational at the time, so that was fair enough.
but more importantly, did Kilowog slaughter/maim any fellow GLs? or
anyone, for that matter...?
> Anyway, I agree. Of all the things that could have happened, I didn't
> think that someone with a will as strong as Jordan's would've gone off
> the deep end.
this is a good point. you would think they chose him because of his
incredible capacity for stability - isn't this part of what having great
willpower equates with...?
> Maybe (assuming these people existed) Jordan WAS so deeply emotionally
> rooted in Coast City that it made him snap (mind you, he snapped in a
> VERY [read: suspiciously] sane, calculating and reasonable way, if you
> ask me...)
i'm still hoping a future writer will explain this away as Hal being
possessed by Krona or something.
> > waitasec - they were trying to get him to come to OA to begin with, no?
> They were hoping/believing that Jordan would come back meekly, not
> preparing to tear the heads (or hands) off everybody in the way. They
> didn't dream that their "greatest ever" would come back to destroy the
> plans they'd spent the better part of ten thousand million years making
> and preserving...
> > why try and STOP him? and if they couldn't deal with him once he got
> > there, why did they order him to come? (if they had not put all those
> > GLs in his way trying to stop him, he wouldn't have had that increased
> > power level when he got there). what a silly, tangled mess.
> Again, it's pretty weird. If I were a Guardian
> (didle-deedle-didle-deedle-didle-deedle-didle-dum, all day long I'd...
> :-) I would have thought I'd have the facility to shut off a ring. The
> stupid dog-soldiers working for Desaad could do it (granted Desaad's
> comment "we're gods, your Oan toy presents no difficulty), but the
> Guardians DID BUILD the damn thing...
they still should've either had a contingency plan or been able to DO
something - i thought that was ridiculous - of course, the good part
about that is that a future writer can go back and show WHY it didn't
make sense and use it as a device to change stuff without a retcon.
> little bit, hence the tears just before Jordan took the Battery. (Okay,
> IMhhhhhO, the whole scene was weird, just not what we've come to expect
> from the "square-jawed hero", "everybody's favourite uncle" Hal.)
i think the tears were Hal fighting Krona's control...
> (People have asked whether I like/hate Hal/Kyle, especially since my
> last post was so neutral. The answer is: they're Green Lanterns, I
I don't hate Kyle at all, i just think the events up to and including
Hal's downfall were so poorly executed and thought out as to seem
ridiculous, and that Hal is still a viable character that should be
around. I don't care whether that involves removing Kyle or not.
(But I might point out that Kyle certainly wouldn't be missed like Hal
is - Kyle is fine and all, but he's just some regular schmuck who got
the ring - Marz hasn't made me care about him one iota.)
> The "hidden ulterior motive" can always be done. Me, I would REALLY
> regret it if this were to happen though. It was made fairly clear that
> all of the Guardians' secrets should have been cleared up around the
> Entropy/Krona battle.
which is why you need to include Krona in the explanation... :)
> what's so bad about Kyle? I grant you, he's no Hal, but neither was Guy
> Gardner and people were okay with Green Lantern Guy Gardner, weren't
> they?
I don't like Guy either, but at least Guy is interesting. Kyle is
tabula rasa and seems to be designed to stay that way. He has become so
uninteresting and bland to me now as to be unsalvagable. I would rather
either they bring Hal back or give it to another more interesting
schmuck. Even Guy, who i don't like.
> for Ring v1.0. This way, you can explain v1.0 and v2.0. Alan Scott's
> ring was a v1.0 that was non-dealer custom upgraded).
your explanation of how the rings work was excellent. I would say,
though that Alan Scott's ring was a v0.1 custome upgrade, though. :)
^
> Kyle explores his ring and what it's capable of (not just brute power
> like lifting cities or sucking in energy a la GL/SS or the
> criminal-Corps "generator")?
Never happen - Marz doesn't have enough of a handle on it himself, how's
Kyle going to? All Marz can think of is animals, robots, and guns.
And this is supposed to be a creative character?!
While they were working in the visual department, they can fix his
costume, at least the mask and gloves. Perhaps this is what the Hal
guest shot is leading to. That would go a long way towards getting
people to accept Kyle.
> > > Jordan's absorption of the Battery has taken all of John Stewart's >power
> > good. :)
> Oh hey, fair go... how come nobody likes John Stewart?
i didn't say that. i said i didn't want him to be a guardian. I think
John Stewart is a GREAT character.
> As another point, when Kyle said "I've seen what you guys create, pretty
> limited"... precisely HOW were they limited? I'd probably give away my
> genitals (if I couldn't give somebody else's instead) to be able to do
> what that criminal-Corps could do...
yeah, they didn't really explain that at all. VERY vague.
anyway, I can only hope SOMETHING will come of the current story arc
other than a cynical sales ploy, but i doubt it. bucking the status quo
requires ingenuity, something we haven't seen in GL for a while...
Alan Meisler
In article <35591EA1...@ucaqld.com.au>, Peter Petroff
<pet...@ucaqld.com.au> wrote:
> Tal'n Lazarus wrote:
>
> He DOES have one. Unlike the old Green Lanterns, he doesn't pull it out
> of a convenient extra-dimensional hole accessed by the ring. He just
> keeps it in his apartment (which you think, would lead to easy theft -
> no wait, it DID!).
Actually, Hal used to keep his in his apartment, too. (At least until
he figured out he could order it to follow him around.) There's at
least one Neal Adams GL/GA story which has Green Arrow wasting time
looking for the thing (it's invisible).
-Alan
Peter Petroff
Alan Meisler wrote:
> Actually, Hal used to keep his in his apartment, too. (At least until
> he figured out he could order it to follow him around.) There's at
> least one Neal Adams GL/GA story which has Green Arrow wasting time
> looking for the thing (it's invisible).
I stand corrected, thank you. Now that I think of it, the story where
Jordan went to jail with Goldface and Tom Kalmaku had to find the
invisible battery and charge it for Jordan. Come to think of it, didn't
Carol Ferris have to find the invisible battery and charge Jordan's ring
while he was in a coma - no, strike that, while his mind was caught in
the Shark, yes?
P.
nickv...@hotmail.com
>Actually, Hal used to keep his in his apartment, too. (At least until
>he figured out he could order it to follow him around.) There's at
>least one Neal Adams GL/GA story which has Green Arrow wasting time
>looking for the thing (it's invisible).
>
>-Alan
Pieface went through the same thing in GL #147, while Hal was trapped
in prison with the Black Hand. His ordeal lasted a few pages, unlike
Ollie's one panel with thought balloon explanation.
And remember the time where he kept it invisible on a pedestal in his
hanger? Didn't any co-workers wonder, "What's this pedestal doing here
in the middle of the room?"