Batman and Robin #10.
plausible prose man
comics from DC. Even fake Megan Fox in Jonah Hex; didn't hate that
story. Also, First Wave's got the hook in me.
starting to see set up for "return of bruce wayne." Bruce apparently
was a few of his ancestors, and used family portraits to drop hints so
someone can come and get him. Secret room discovered in Wayne manor.
Also, some nonsense about manchurian candidate style programming in
Damian.
Intrigued by Oberon Sexton. Story hints its Bruce in disguise, many
on internet convinced
. Often enjoy broad outlines of Morrison stories, hope he bothers to
connect the dots better this time.
Travis Morgan sure could've used an armored target on his chest, huh?
Brenda Clough
Yes, it actually is getting interesting. Although I do wonder about how
an even more secret cave could be there, when you consider how often
Wayne Manor has been rebuilt over the years. (And who builds a big
house on a porous rock outcrop? But one mustn't start thinking these
things...)
Brenda
Ty...@webtv.net
Dick, but Sexton is clearly smaller and slighter than Dick. The size
differance is very noticable both when they're together and later when
Sexton's dodging the killers. He is obviously someone from Bruce's past,
probably somone we know. My money is that he's not Bruce.
Scott Eiler
> starting to see set up for "return of bruce wayne." Bruce apparently
> was a few of his ancestors, and used family portraits to drop hints so
> someone can come and get him. Secret room discovered in Wayne manor.
I realize Grant Morrison might not care, but do clues in the "Batman
and Robin" series count toward the DC Universe? If it does, it sounds
like cheating to me. If I were challenged to get the world's greatest
detective back from pre-history, I wouldn't expect to get to
simultaneously write a series set in the present day where people can
go rescue him.
grinningdemon
It'll pretty damn disappointing if Batman HAS to be
rescued...especially after that utterly pathetic send-off in Final
Crisis...he should get to save himself.
Marty
> an even more secret cave could be there, when you consider how often
> Wayne Manor has been rebuilt over the years. (And who builds a big
> house on a porous rock outcrop? But one mustn't start thinking these
> things...)
I am enjoying the story, but like you, wondered about how many times
Wayne Manor has been rebuilt.
In Cataclysm the epicentre was directly below Wayne Manor. Destroying
the Manor completely.
Was there any other time? Wikipedia doesn't mention any other time it
might have been destroyed.
Was a stupid event anyway.
Lilith
Maybe he did. Perhaps being thrown back in time he knew where it was
that Vandal Savage encountered the meteor that gave him an extended
lifespan. He went there and partook of the same treatment so he could
get back to his present without otherwise interfering with history.
--
Lilith
Brenda Clough
It must have been, if (as is occasionally alleged) the Wayne family has
been living on the site since colonial times.
Brenda
grinningdemon
I liked the concept...and I really liked a lot of the No Man's Land
stuff that lead out of that...but the execution of Cataclysm was
sorely lacking...I seem to recall Bane tore up the mansion pretty well
in Knightfall too but nothing on par with Cataclysm...I can't think of
any other stories (at least from the last couple decades) where the
mansion got destroyed (other than the movie)...but Cataclysm alone
ought to rule this stuff out if Morrison really cared about any Batman
story since the 60s.
grinningdemon
wrote:
I can't see them making Batman immortal...but, if it means no more
replacements, it'd almost be worth it.
Scott Eiler
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:51:43 -0500, Lilith <lilith...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
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> >On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:00:56 -0500, grinningdemon
> ><grinningde...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Perhaps being thrown back in time he knew where it was
> >that Vandal Savage encountered the meteor that gave him an extended
> >lifespan. He went there and partook of the same treatment so he could
> >get back to his present without otherwise interfering with history.
Hmm. That's certainly one way back. But that's the same cop-out way
Doctor Doom took in a similar situation. Do we really want an
immortal, all-wise Bruce Wayne who gets back to the present and
promptly ignores the wisdom of the millennia he's lived through?
> I can't see them making Batman immortal...but, if it means no more
> replacements, it'd almost be worth it.
It would be worth it, if they were honest about it and let Batman
truly be immortal.
grinningdemon
I actually liked the bit in John Byrne's Generations series where
Batman grew old (relatively) and then regained his youth and became
immortal by use of the Lazarus Pitt...of course, then Byrne had to go
and take it too far in the next series by giving him Superman powers
too, thereby eliminating everything unique and interesting about
Batman...an immortal Batman in the sense of not having him age works
fine for me...just so long as that is the extent of his powers and he
isn't invulnerable or anything like that.
Scott Eiler
wrote:
> I actually liked the bit in John Byrne's Generations series where
> Batman grew old (relatively) and then regained his youth and became
> immortal by use of the Lazarus Pitt...
Yeah, I liked that bit too.
> ...an immortal Batman in the sense of not having him age works
> fine for me...just so long as that is the extent of his powers and he
> isn't invulnerable or anything like that.
I'd be fine with that too, but I don't think it would be very popular.
grinningdemon
Probably not.
Lilith
In a way it puts Wildcat on up on Batman. It explains why Ted Grant
is still relatively vital 60 some years after his prime to have been
blessed with nine lives.
Okay, so maybe Bruce has done research on the origins of the Lazarus
Pit and knows what t took to revitalize himself over the millenia. I
doubt that the technology existed for time travel at his original
point of arrival. Or maybe it's a side effect of the Omega sanction.
--
Lilith
grinningdemon
wrote:
Actually, I assume they'll keep ripping off Captain America and he'll
just be bouncing around in time rather than stuck at a fixed
point...and then he'll come back and have some retarded reason for
choosing not to be Batman so the Batwing era continues...that way DC
can make two events out of this...one from his return and one down the
line from putting him back in the suit...just like Marvel.
plausible prose man
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:06:36 -0500, Lilith <lilith...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>
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> >On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:30:57 -0700 (PDT), Scott Eiler
> ><sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Mar 19, 11:26 pm, grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>> I actually liked the bit in John Byrne's Generations series where
> >>> Batman grew old (relatively) and then regained his youth and became
> >>> immortal by use of the Lazarus Pitt...
>
> >>Yeah, I liked that bit too.
>
> >>> ...an immortal Batman in the sense of not having him age works
> >>> fine for me...just so long as that is the extent of his powers and he
> >>> isn't invulnerable or anything like that.
>
> >>I'd be fine with that too, but I don't think it would be very popular.
>
> >In a way it puts Wildcat on up on Batman. It explains why Ted Grant
> >is still relatively vital 60 some years after his prime to have been
> >blessed with nine lives.
>
> >Okay, so maybe Bruce has done research on the origins of the Lazarus
> >Pit and knows what t took to revitalize himself over the millenia. I
> >doubt that the technology existed for time travel at his original
> >point of arrival. Or maybe it's a side effect of the Omega sanction.
>
> Actually, I assume they'll keep ripping off Captain America and he'll
> just be bouncing around in time rather than stuck at a fixed
> point...
No, um...there's a six part mini-series coming out this summer,
"Return of Bruce Wayne." Presumably this will mainly consist of Batman
as reimagined in various time settings, like Cave-Batman and Solomon
Kane Batman and Cowboy Batman and Bruce Wayne, Masked Shamus. You
might see some Joker or Catwoman precursor, or some reference to
various DC historicals as Jonah Hex or The Black Pirate or Vandall or
someone. Presumably we'll at least see Anthro. There's also likely
some element in each story that's either Bruce getting to the next
jumping off point, or leaving some message for the future (whether Tim
and Dick and Damian or just himself in the next issue) until he's
finally back in whatever form he's going to take (maybe something like
teenage Tony Stark?) with or without some help from the boys or Clark
or Wally or Barry or any of Bruce's dozens of other friends who can
time travel. Anyway, the point is, though, it should be all a more or
less straight foward narrative without a lot of time jumping.
grinningdemon
I already know all of that...what I meant was that he would not be
staying in a single fixed time period...he'll be moving from one to
next...it may not be as chaotic as Cap Reborn and he's obviously not
limited to his own lifetime but I don't see how anyone can deny the
similarities...and this is far from the first time major events with
Cap and Batman have mirrored each other in recent years...there's no
way it's all coincidence...Cap's dead sidekick returns...Batman's dead
sidekick returns...Cap is killed and replaced by his former
sidekick...Batman is killed and replaced by his former sidekick...Cap
is revealed never to have died at all but to be lost in time...Batman
is revealed never to have died at all but to be lost in time...do I
need to go on?
plausible prose man
wrote:
Oh, okay. Some of your statements seemingly imply otherwise.
>.what I meant was that he would not be
> staying in a single fixed time period.
But...
>..he'll be moving from one to
> next
Presumably the end of one story will lead into the beginning of the
other, but I think we'll be getting one era per comic, and it will be
batman in eras he's never existed in before, at least outside of
elseworlds or time travel hypnosis stories. Or if he had to go out
west or to England or something, but in any case it's not him
endlessly flashing from that crazy Monk story to the one that's
everyone getting all choked up about Dick going off to college and
then mothballing the batcave and moving down town to something that
happened with the Justice League to his parent's murder and so on and
so on
>...it may not be as chaotic as Cap Reborn and he's obviously not
> limited to his own lifetime but I don't see how anyone can deny the
> similarities.
The broad outlines are pretty similar, sure.
>..and this is far from the first time major events with
> Cap and Batman have mirrored each other in recent years
I assume the two companies are aware of the developments at each
other and even more or less consciously imitate each other.
>...there's no
> way it's all coincidence...Cap's dead sidekick returns.
Yeah, actually, I always that was someone thinking too hard about
something Alan Moore once said in, I think, that Watchmen special
issue of the Comics Journal, something about The Comedian starting off
Bucky Barnes and winding up G. Gordon Liddy. Bucky's Winter Soldier
outfit is very much like Blake's second uniform.
>..Batman's dead
> sidekick returns
Yeah, also, I don't think the resemblence the Monkees bear to the
Beatles is a coincidence.
>...Cap is killed and replaced by his former
> sidekick...Batman is killed and replaced by his former sidekick...Cap
> is revealed never to have died at all but to be lost in time...Batman
> is revealed never to have died at all but to be lost in time.
Wasn't Batman lost in time before Cap was, though? So if there's
copying, it seems to go both ways.
>..do I
> need to go on?
I think if you'd worked a little hard you could have come up with
some connection between Civil War and Identity Crisis and some of its
spinoffs.
> >> and then he'll come back and have some retarded reason for
> >> choosing not to be Batman so the Batwing era continues...that way DC
> >> can make two events out of this...one from his return and one down the
> >> line from putting him back in the suit...just like Marvel.-
grinningdemon
Which is why I said he would not be limited to his own lifetime.
>>...it may not be as chaotic as Cap Reborn and he's obviously not
>> limited to his own lifetime but I don't see how anyone can deny the
>> similarities.
>
> The broad outlines are pretty similar, sure.
>>..and this is far from the first time major events with
>> Cap and Batman have mirrored each other in recent years
>
> I assume the two companies are aware of the developments at each
>other and even more or less consciously imitate each other.
Of course they always rip each other off...it's just been a little
more often and obvious with regard to Cap and Batman of late.
>>...there's no
>> way it's all coincidence...Cap's dead sidekick returns.
>
> Yeah, actually, I always that was someone thinking too hard about
>something Alan Moore once said in, I think, that Watchmen special
>issue of the Comics Journal, something about The Comedian starting off
>Bucky Barnes and winding up G. Gordon Liddy. Bucky's Winter Soldier
>outfit is very much like Blake's second uniform.
>
>>..Batman's dead
>> sidekick returns
>
> Yeah, also, I don't think the resemblence the Monkees bear to the
>Beatles is a coincidence.
>
>>...Cap is killed and replaced by his former
>> sidekick...Batman is killed and replaced by his former sidekick...Cap
>> is revealed never to have died at all but to be lost in time...Batman
>> is revealed never to have died at all but to be lost in time.
>
> Wasn't Batman lost in time before Cap was, though? So if there's
>copying, it seems to go both ways.
No question...it's actually hard to say which ideas came from DC or
Marvel first...but it's starting to get a little ridiculous in this
case, in my opinion...especially if the trend continues as I believe
it will.
>>..do I
>> need to go on?
>
> I think if you'd worked a little hard you could have come up with
>some connection between Civil War and Identity Crisis and some of its
>spinoffs.
Like I said, they constantly rip each other off...such as Blackest
Night and Necrosha X...but, with Cap and Batman, it's just been one
thing after another these last few years...so much so that it's become
predictable.
Ty...@webtv.net
a line of Batman action figures that were from differant time periods. I
think my younger brother still has 'Samurai Batman', 'Viking Batman',
and 'Egyptian Batman and Catwoman'. He lost 'Pirate Batman' I believe'.
Kind of fitting now.
GordonD
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> > Yes, it actually is getting interesting. Although I do wonder about how
> > an even more secret cave could be there, when you consider how often
> > Wayne Manor has been rebuilt over the years. (And who builds a big
> > house on a porous rock outcrop? But one mustn't start thinking these
> > things...)
>
> I am enjoying the story, but like you, wondered about how many times
> Wayne Manor has been rebuilt.
>
> In Cataclysm the epicentre was directly below Wayne Manor. Destroying
> the Manor completely.
My thoughts exactly. I'm assuming that one of the Superboy-Prime reality
punches retconned things so that while the Cataclysm still took place, Wayne
Manor wasn't affected so badly.
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland
"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."
Daibhid Ceanaideach
I still have some those as well. "Gladiator Batman", "Pirate Batman and Two
Face" (Harvey wears half a pirate outfit, and half a Royal Navy uniform)
and "Desert Knight Batman" (a kind of Bat-suited Lawrence of Arabia).
--
Dave
There's an old Earth saying. A phrase full of power and wisdom, and
consolation to the soul in times of need. Allons-y!
grinningdemon
I remember those...they were based on the Elseworlds stories...I
actually had a couple of them.