Kingdom Come question
jnevins
which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
I'm not complaining, mind you - it gave me a kick to see him - but can we
expect to see him in a DC continuity book?
jess
Snagglepuss
Given the presence of other Charlton heroes (nightshade,
peacemaker, captain atom), I assumed it was Peter Cannon-
Thunderbolt in a variant of his old costume.
Of course, since DC gave the rights to Thunderbolt back to PAM,
it couldn't be THunderbolt...
??
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joh...@gc.net
>In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
>which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
>and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
>
>I'm not complaining, mind you - it gave me a kick to see him - but can we
>expect to see him in a DC continuity book?
During the late 70s and early 80s DC was buying out the properties of a lot of
comic book companies that were folding up. I don't specifically remember them
aquiring that character, but I'm sure it was during that same time frame where
there got the old Charlton heroes and several others.
Dwight Williams
Snagglepuss (mcdo...@vorteb.math.uab.edu) writes:
> jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
>>which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
>>and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
>>
>>I'm not complaining, mind you - it gave me a kick to see him - but can we
>>expect to see him in a DC continuity book?
>>
>
> peacemaker, captain atom), I assumed it was Peter Cannon-
> Thunderbolt in a variant of his old costume.
>
> Of course, since DC gave the rights to Thunderbolt back to PAM,
> it couldn't be THunderbolt...
>
> ??
Probably done before the rights were reverted and nobody noticed. These
things happen from time to time.
Unless Mr. Kupperberg has some good news for us all...
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Jeanne Fong
>In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
>which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
>and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
>
>
>I'm not complaining, mind you - it gave me a kick to see him - but can we
>expect to see him in a DC continuity book?
>
>jess
>
no
Kevin L Gilbert
: In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
: which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
: and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
:
: I'm not complaining, mind you - it gave me a kick to see him - but can we
: expect to see him in a DC continuity book?
Where'd you see him? Do you mean the fella in the scene with all
the Charlton characters on the first inside page? I think that's Pete
Cameron, Thunderbolt, a Charlton character.
Greyfalcon
> In <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
(jnevins) writes:
> >which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
> >and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
> >
> >I'm not complaining, mind you - it gave me a kick to see him - but can
we
> >expect to see him in a DC continuity book?
>
lot of
> comic book companies that were folding up. I don't specifically
remember them
> aquiring that character, but I'm sure it was during that same time frame
where
> there got the old Charlton heroes and several others.
Daredevil was a Timely character. Timely became Marvel. Daredevil got
revamped in different ways. The current Daredevil in Marvel is an
evolution of the original. DC never bought Daredevil.
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jnevins
>In article <4l616r$s...@global.gc.net> joh...@gc.net writes:
>> In <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
>(jnevins) writes:
>> >In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
>> >which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
>> >and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
>> >
>> >I'm not complaining, mind you - it gave me a kick to see him - but can
>we
>> >expect to see him in a DC continuity book?
>>
>> During the late 70s and early 80s DC was buying out the properties of a
>lot of
>> comic book companies that were folding up. I don't specifically
>remember them
>> aquiring that character, but I'm sure it was during that same time frame
>where
>> there got the old Charlton heroes and several others.
>Daredevil was a Timely character. Timely became Marvel. Daredevil got
>revamped in different ways. The current Daredevil in Marvel is an
>evolution of the original. DC never bought Daredevil.
Untrue.
The original Daredevil was from Lev Gleason/Comic House, not Timely. And
the GA Daredevil is a separate being from the SA Daredevil.
jess
Michael Brown
>In article <4l616r$s...@global.gc.net> joh...@gc.net writes:
>> In <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
>(jnevins) writes:
>> >In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
>> >which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
>> >and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
>> >
>> >I'm not complaining, mind you - it gave me a kick to see him - but can
>we
>> >expect to see him in a DC continuity book?
>>
>> During the late 70s and early 80s DC was buying out the properties of a
>lot of
>> comic book companies that were folding up. I don't specifically
>remember them
>> aquiring that character, but I'm sure it was during that same time frame
>where
>> there got the old Charlton heroes and several others.
>
>Daredevil was a Timely character. Timely became Marvel. Daredevil got
>revamped in different ways. The current Daredevil in Marvel is an
>evolution of the original. DC never bought Daredevil.
>
No no no no no no!!!
The original, golden age Daredevil was NEVER a Timely character. I don't
recall the company who published Daredevil (was it Hillman??), but it wasn;t
Timely. The Daredevil character later created at Marvel is a totally original
character with no relationship to the original.
I'm not sure of the character you're refering to, but most likely its an
original character created by Alex Ross that is not related to the old
Daredevil. Maybe it's Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt, as their costumes are
similiar.
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jnevins
Michael Brown <brow...@plhp002.comm.mot.com> writes:
It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
It's Daredevil.
Elayne, could you maybe ask Mark Waid about this, if you get the chance?
jess
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
: this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
: original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
: It's Daredevil.
: Elayne, could you maybe ask Mark Waid about this, if you get the chance?
I'll try, Jess. I'm pretty sure it's Cannon as well, though.
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jnevins
fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) writes:
>jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
>: It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>: this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>: original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>: It's Daredevil.
>: Elayne, could you maybe ask Mark Waid about this, if you get the chance?
>I'll try, Jess. I'm pretty sure it's Cannon as well, though.
Thanks. Well, if it is Cannon, why's he wearing Daredevil's uniform? <G>
jess
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
: this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
: original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
: It's Daredevil.
: Elayne, could you maybe ask Mark Waid about this, if you get the chance?
Okay, I have his response. I filled him in thusly, and I hope I worded it
right: "The discussion taking place on rac.dcu is regarding one of the
panels showing what many people think is the Golden Age Daredevil (the
blue and red one). Someone opined that no, that character might be Peter
Cannon, Thunderbolt."
Mark's response: "Yes, he is."
Which I take to mean, yes, he's Peter Cannon.
Hope that clears things up.
Jason Fliegel
In article <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>,
jnevins <jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>Michael Brown <brow...@plhp002.comm.mot.com> writes:
>>>> In <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
>>>(jnevins) writes:
>>>> >In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
>>>> >which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
>>>> >and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
>>>> >
>
>>original character created by Alex Ross that is not related to the old
>>Daredevil. Maybe it's Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt, as their costumes are
>>similiar.
>
>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>
>It's Daredevil.
>
Captain Atom, Peacemaker, Judomaster, and Nightshade all have new looks
on that page. Elsewhere in this preview (or in other preview materials)
we've seen new looks for Green Lantern, Superman, Robin, Wonder Woman,
Flash, Aquaman, Dolphin, Red Tornado, Dr. Midnight, and Hawkman. What
make syou think it's not a new look for Peter Cannon?
By the way, who, in current DC continuity, are King and Ibn Al
Xu'Ffasch?
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jnevins
fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) writes:
>jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
>: It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>: this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>: original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>: It's Daredevil.
>: Elayne, could you maybe ask Mark Waid about this, if you get the chance?
>Okay, I have his response. I filled him in thusly, and I hope I worded it
>right: "The discussion taking place on rac.dcu is regarding one of the
>panels showing what many people think is the Golden Age Daredevil (the
>blue and red one). Someone opined that no, that character might be Peter
>Cannon, Thunderbolt."
>Mark's response: "Yes, he is."
>Which I take to mean, yes, he's Peter Cannon.
>Hope that clears things up.
Well, that settles that. Thank you for asking him. And thank him for
answering.
Except...
I'm looking at the KC Preview, page 2. The Charlton panel.
Now I'm looking at p. 93 of Benton's GA Comics book - the Daredevil
section.
It's the same flippin' costume, I tells ya.
Of course, all this means is that Peter Cannon put on Daredevil's uniform.
Anyhow - I'm just getting in practice for the Kingdom Come annotations -
which I intend to have done (in first draft form) by Wednesday at 6 pm on
the 8th. So don't mind me...
jess
Greg Schienke
jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>It's Daredevil.
I don't suppose that it could be at all possible that maybe, if it is
Thunderbolt, he modified his costume? No, what am I saying? Loook,
there's Captain Atom, Judo Master, Green Lantern and Robin all wearing
thier original costumes in KINGDOM COME. Foolish me.
jnevins
jb...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Fliegel) writes:
>In article <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>,
>jnevins <jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>>Michael Brown <brow...@plhp002.comm.mot.com> writes:
>>>>> In <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
>>>>(jnevins) writes:
>>>>> >In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
>>>>> >which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
>>>>> >and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
>>>>> >
>>
>>>I'm not sure of the character you're refering to, but most likely its an
>>>original character created by Alex Ross that is not related to the old
>>>Daredevil. Maybe it's Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt, as their costumes are
>>>similiar.
>>
>>It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>>
>>It's Daredevil.
>>
>Captain Atom, Peacemaker, Judomaster, and Nightshade all have new looks
>on that page. Elsewhere in this preview (or in other preview materials)
>we've seen new looks for Green Lantern, Superman, Robin, Wonder Woman,
>Flash, Aquaman, Dolphin, Red Tornado, Dr. Midnight, and Hawkman. What
>make syou think it's not a new look for Peter Cannon?
I can accept that it's Peter Cannon. I'm just curious as to why Waid
and/or Ross dressed him up in Daredevil's old costume.
jess
jnevins
schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) writes:
>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>>It's Daredevil.
>I don't suppose that it could be at all possible that maybe, if it is
>Thunderbolt, he modified his costume? No, what am I saying? Loook,
>there's Captain Atom, Judo Master, Green Lantern and Robin all wearing
>thier original costumes in KINGDOM COME. Foolish me.
Look - this isn't a case of a modified costume - Peter Cannon's original
colors were different from Daredevil's. Peter Cannon is wearing a
costume that exactly matches the GA Daredevil's.
Or, to put it another way, let's say Speedy started dressing like the GA
Flash. Wouldn't you find that somewhat odd?
I can accept that he modified the costume. I can accept that it is Peter
Cannon. But the fact that his modified costume so exactly matches
another, long-established and well-known (within his time period) hero is
kinda curious.
Not objectionable. Just curious.
Oh, and btw, there was no need to be sarcastic/abusive.
jess
Greg Schienke
jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>Oh, and btw, there was no need to be sarcastic/abusive.
if I was abusive, I apologize. If I was sarcastic, I can't help that.
You try living with my family and see if you don't develop a smart
mouth.
jnevins
schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) writes:
>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
You're living at home with your family? Oy. My sympathies. Please, vent
your anger - I've been there, I know how it is. Better the Net as your
target then family...
jess
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jb...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Fliegel) writes:
{GA Daredevil/Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt discussion snipped}
>By the way, who, in current DC continuity, are King and Ibn Al
>Xu'Ffasch?
Well, King is from the Royal Flush Gang a bunch of playing-card derived
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Ibn Al Xu'Ffasch I'm not so sure about, but I think he's one of the Jihad?
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Mario DiGiacomo
schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) wrote:
>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>>It's Daredevil.
>I don't suppose that it could be at all possible that maybe, if it is
>Thunderbolt, he modified his costume? No, what am I saying? Loook,
>there's Captain Atom, Judo Master, Green Lantern and Robin all wearing
>thier original costumes in KINGDOM COME. Foolish me.
What I want to know is who is the OTHER guy...not Daredevil/Cannon,
but the guy whose outfit looks like exposed musculature...
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Jason Fliegel (jb...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
:
: By the way, who, in current DC continuity, are King and Ibn Al
: Xu'Ffasch?
I can do one out of two. "King" is the leader of the Royal Flush
Gang, which I imagine hasn't been seen for a while. I remember them
annoying the Silver Age Justice League on occasion. The other fellow I
don't know.
jnevins
book...@cris.com (Mario DiGiacomo) writes:
>schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) wrote:
>>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>>It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>>>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>>>It's Daredevil.
>>I don't suppose that it could be at all possible that maybe, if it is
>>Thunderbolt, he modified his costume? No, what am I saying? Loook,
>>there's Captain Atom, Judo Master, Green Lantern and Robin all wearing
>>thier original costumes in KINGDOM COME. Foolish me.
>What I want to know is who is the OTHER guy...not Daredevil/Cannon,
Me too. Altho' I was assuming that he's some made-up villain, since this
is the Charlton panel (who's the really tall metal guy?) and I didn't
recognize him as a Charlton hero/villain.
Anyone out there know?
jess
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: book...@cris.com (Mario DiGiacomo) writes:
: >What I want to know is who is the OTHER guy...not Daredevil/Cannon,
: Me too. Altho' I was assuming that he's some made-up villain, since this
: is the Charlton panel (who's the really tall metal guy?) and I didn't
: recognize him as a Charlton hero/villain.
: Anyone out there know?
Sorry, you've already reached your question-to-Waid quota for this
thread. ;)
jnevins
fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) writes:
>jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
>: book...@cris.com (Mario DiGiacomo) writes:
>: >What I want to know is who is the OTHER guy...not Daredevil/Cannon,
>: Me too. Altho' I was assuming that he's some made-up villain, since this
>: is the Charlton panel (who's the really tall metal guy?) and I didn't
>: recognize him as a Charlton hero/villain.
>: Anyone out there know?
>Sorry, you've already reached your question-to-Waid quota for this
>thread. ;)
:-) Thanks, but I wasn't gonna bother him on something minor like this.
Besides, I'd rather save up my questions until after KC comes out & I'm
doing the annotations - "Mark, who's this guy?" "Mark, who's the guy with
the horns?" "Mark, why's this guy's uniform colored wrong?" "Mark, why'd
you make the Speed Force Heaven?"
Gee, why did Waid leave the internet, anyhow? :-)
jess
Dwight Williams
Not knowing much Arabic, but willing to hazard a guess..."Xu'Ffasch"
reminds me a bit of "Savage". Ibn might therefore be one of Vandal's kids.
Smart or dumb? You tell me.
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) writes:
: >Sorry, you've already reached your question-to-Waid quota for this
: >thread. ;)
: :-) Thanks, but I wasn't gonna bother him on something minor like this.
: Besides, I'd rather save up my questions until after KC comes out & I'm
: doing the annotations - "Mark, who's this guy?" "Mark, who's the guy with
: the horns?" "Mark, why's this guy's uniform colored wrong?" "Mark, why'd
: you make the Speed Force Heaven?"
: Gee, why did Waid leave the internet, anyhow? :-)
Certainly not due to questions like this. THIS is one of the reasons I
keep trying to lure him back here. <g>
Michael Brown
>
>>>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>
>>>>It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>>>>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>>>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>
>>>>It's Daredevil.
>
>>>I don't suppose that it could be at all possible that maybe, if it is
>>>Thunderbolt, he modified his costume? No, what am I saying? Loook,
>>>there's Captain Atom, Judo Master, Green Lantern and Robin all wearing
>>>thier original costumes in KINGDOM COME. Foolish me.
>
After taking a look at the panel in question, I think it's Thunderbolt also.
His belt is in the style of TBolt, not Daredevil (GA Daredevil had a spiked
belt).
This is a very good reason for altering Tbolt's outfit. DC no longer owns
the copyright to him. They recently gave the copyright to his creator, Pat
Morisi. (who always signed 'PAM' on the original Charlton Tbolt stories)
>>What I want to know is who is the OTHER guy...not Daredevil/Cannon,
>
>Me too. Altho' I was assuming that he's some made-up villain, since this
>is the Charlton panel (who's the really tall metal guy?) and I didn't
>recognize him as a Charlton hero/villain.
>
I was thinking the same thing. We see Peacemaker, Tbolt, a new JudoMaster,
Nightshade, and Captain Atom and this big metal guy chasing some guy with
clear skin. I've got most of the Charlton 'Action Hero' comics and I don't
know him.
jnevins
Michael Brown <brow...@plhp002.comm.mot.com> writes:
>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>book...@cris.com (Mario DiGiacomo) writes:
>>
>>>schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) wrote:
>>
>>>>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>
>>>>>It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>>>>>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>>>>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>>
>>>>>It's Daredevil.
>>
>>>>I don't suppose that it could be at all possible that maybe, if it is
>>>>Thunderbolt, he modified his costume? No, what am I saying? Loook,
>>>>there's Captain Atom, Judo Master, Green Lantern and Robin all wearing
>>>>thier original costumes in KINGDOM COME. Foolish me.
>>
>After taking a look at the panel in question, I think it's Thunderbolt also.
>His belt is in the style of TBolt, not Daredevil (GA Daredevil had a spiked
>belt).
True - but the colors are Daredevil's, not T-bolt, and T-bolt _never_
had a full-face/head mask, as this character does. He had a black domino
mask and let his blond hair be free. I stand by my claim that it's Peter
Cannon in the Daredevil costume <G>
>>Me too. Altho' I was assuming that he's some made-up villain, since this
>>is the Charlton panel (who's the really tall metal guy?) and I didn't
>>recognize him as a Charlton hero/villain.
>>
>I was thinking the same thing. We see Peacemaker, Tbolt, a new JudoMaster,
>Nightshade, and Captain Atom and this big metal guy chasing some guy with
>clear skin. I've got most of the Charlton 'Action Hero' comics and I don't
>know him.
The big metal guy must be like the guy with clear skin and Magog - one of
Waid or Ross' made-up heroes.
jess
Sean MacDonald
jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>Michael Brown <brow...@plhp002.comm.mot.com> writes:
>
>
>>I was thinking the same thing. We see Peacemaker, Tbolt, a new JudoMaster,
>>Nightshade, and Captain Atom and this big metal guy chasing some guy with
>>clear skin. I've got most of the Charlton 'Action Hero' comics and I don't
>>know him.
>
>The big metal guy must be like the guy with clear skin and Magog - one of
>Waid or Ross' made-up heroes.
>
I assumed that the big metal guy was a conglomeration of the
Metal Men. Look at the colors and the rivets. Red: Mercury;
orange: Gold; etc.
(Oh, and as for the guy with transparent skin, if we're
considering Charlton heroes, by process of elimination,
wouldn't he have to be the Question? (I guess that clothes
altering gas might have affected his skin...))
--
-SM
"It seemed a dreadful injustice that these wise races should
perish at the hands of creatures who were still little more
than animals. It was as if vultures feasted on and squabbled
over the paralyzed body of the youthful poet who could only
stare at them with puzzled eyes as they slowly robbed him of
an exquisite existence they would never appreciate, never know
they were taking. 'If they valued what they stole, if they knew
what they were destroying...then I would be consoled.'"
-Michael Moorcock
Mario DiGiacomo
jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>Michael Brown <brow...@plhp002.comm.mot.com> writes:
>>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>>book...@cris.com (Mario DiGiacomo) writes:
>>I was thinking the same thing. We see Peacemaker, Tbolt, a new JudoMaster,
>>Nightshade, and Captain Atom and this big metal guy chasing some guy with
>>clear skin. I've got most of the Charlton 'Action Hero' comics and I don't
>>know him.
>The big metal guy must be like the guy with clear skin and Magog - one of
>Waid or Ross' made-up heroes.
Funny, I figured the metal guy, or should I say metal *man* right
away...check the colors folks...it's probably the Metal Men.
The skinless guy is still a mystery, though..
>jess
melvin yong
jb...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Fliegel) wrote:
>By the way, who, in current DC continuity, are King and Ibn Al
>Xu'Ffasch?
>--
i don't know who the Ibn guy is but King is the King from The Royal Flush
Gang (looks like him esp that hairdo).
Just thinking....
marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
In article <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) writes:
> fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) writes:
>
>
>>: It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>>: this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>: original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>
>>: It's Daredevil.
>
>
>>Okay, I have his response. I filled him in thusly, and I hope I worded it
>>right: "The discussion taking place on rac.dcu is regarding one of the
>>panels showing what many people think is the Golden Age Daredevil (the
>>blue and red one). Someone opined that no, that character might be Peter
>>Cannon, Thunderbolt."
>>Mark's response: "Yes, he is."
>>Which I take to mean, yes, he's Peter Cannon.
>>Hope that clears things up.
> Well, that settles that. Thank you for asking him. And thank him for
> answering.
> Except...
> I'm looking at the KC Preview, page 2. The Charlton panel.
I've been reading this for a while... WHAT THE HECK IS A CHARLTON PAnel? Is
is it a panel drawn by a guy named Charlton?
I see the guy in the lower left, it looks like a guy who's top left quarter
Red, Top right Quarter Blue, bottom lefrt quarter blue, bottom right quarter
Red. Top and bottm halves separated by a gold and black belt. THe entire body
is covered. Make him all red and add some web-lines and he's Spiderman.
> Now I'm looking at p. 93 of Benton's GA Comics book - the Daredevil
> section.
>
> It's the same flippin' costume, I tells ya.
>
> Of course, all this means is that Peter Cannon put on Daredevil's uniform.
Yes. Actually, Peter cannon's OLD costume looked almost EXACTLY like that one
EXCEPT that it never covered his head and only went up to his neck. Peter wore
a domino mask on his face. Seems he might be scarred or something now, so it
covers his head entirely. That or he doesn't want to be 'known' in his regular
identity... Everyone else is pretty well disguised (except Magog) and you
wouldn't reallybe able to tell who they are in everyday clothes... unless tehy
can't change to normal humans... (Like that flesh-less guy in the 'charlton'
panel.)
Can't wait to read the comic.
-Cheese
--
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superpowers. If you won't take our word for it, just ask the
superheroes who have used this method in the past - Captain Leukemia,
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--Joshua Marquart-- marquajd@ or jdmar...@miavx1.muohio.edu
marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
>
>>In article <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>,
>>>>>> >In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
>>>>>> >which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
>>>>>> >and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
>>>>>> >
>>>
>>>>I'm not sure of the character you're refering to, but most likely its an
>>>>original character created by Alex Ross that is not related to the old
>>>>Daredevil. Maybe it's Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt, as their costumes are
>>>>similiar.
>>>
>>>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>>>
>>>It's Daredevil.
>>>
>
>>on that page. Elsewhere in this preview (or in other preview materials)
>>we've seen new looks for Green Lantern, Superman, Robin, Wonder Woman,
>>Flash, Aquaman, Dolphin, Red Tornado, Dr. Midnight, and Hawkman. What
>>make syou think it's not a new look for Peter Cannon?
>
> I can accept that it's Peter Cannon. I'm just curious as to why Waid
> and/or Ross dressed him up in Daredevil's old costume.
It's probably because you never saw the Peter CAnnon: Thunderblt OLD Costume.
IT's JUST LIKE the new costume (Actually took it out this time) EXCEPT
that the costume goes UP the neck and into a domino mask, letting his blonde
hair and mouth hang out. I guess they wanted to make him look 'kewl' because
that's the theme of the Kingdom Come boooks, the trend towards making the
characters 'Kewl' and what happens to the old heroes who getpissed off about it
(See Cable... I mean Magog...). To quote the preview"Magog was originally
intended to reflect everything we hated about the current Superhero costume
design" (read: Cable/Bishop) The Kingdom Come books are about the Old heroes
(GL, S-Man, WW, Aquaman, etc...) taking a stand against these new heroes who
have really 'unheroic' ways of getting things done.
Todays and yesterdays heroes aged vs. tomorrows violent 'heroes'.
They tried to show development of character with Peter Cannon's new costume
(How many times has Hawkman's costume changed? What about the new GL costume...
No comment about Power Girl) and it just so happened that by covering the head
of Peter with the rest of his old costume made him look like the old Daredevil.
Coincidence.
Guy Hoyle
schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) wrote:
>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>>It's Daredevil.
>I don't suppose that it could be at all possible that maybe, if it is
>Thunderbolt, he modified his costume? No, what am I saying? Loook,
>there's Captain Atom, Judo Master, Green Lantern and Robin all wearing
>thier original costumes in KINGDOM COME. Foolish me.
So are you saying that if ONE character decides to change his
costume,. ALL characters have to change their costumes? I think not.
H. Jameel al Khafiz
kev...@asimov.oit.umass.edu (Kevin L Gilbert) writes:
> Jason Fliegel (jb...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
> :
> : By the way, who, in current DC continuity, are King and Ibn Al
> : Xu'Ffasch?
>
> Gang, which I imagine hasn't been seen for a while. I remember them
> annoying the Silver Age Justice League on occasion. The other fellow I
> don't know.
It's also interesting to note that King's metagene activated when the
Gene Bomb was dropped during Invasion. He is now immortal. That's why
he looks the same in the Wizard picture.
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jnevins
marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>I've been reading this for a while... WHAT THE HECK IS A CHARLTON PAnel? Is
>is it a panel drawn by a guy named Charlton?
Once upon a time, long ago before Image was conceived of, there was a
third comic book company called Charlton. The characters in this panel -
except the ones that Waid/Ross made up - are all from that company.
>I see the guy in the lower left, it looks like a guy who's top left quarter
>Red, Top right Quarter Blue, bottom lefrt quarter blue, bottom right quarter
>Red. Top and bottm halves separated by a gold and black belt. THe entire body
>is covered. Make him all red and add some web-lines and he's Spiderman.
>> Now I'm looking at p. 93 of Benton's GA Comics book - the Daredevil
>> section.
>>
>> It's the same flippin' costume, I tells ya.
>>
>> Of course, all this means is that Peter Cannon put on Daredevil's uniform.
>Yes. Actually, Peter cannon's OLD costume looked almost EXACTLY like that one
>EXCEPT that it never covered his head and only went up to his neck. Peter wore
>a domino mask on his face. Seems he might be scarred or something now, so it
Actually, no, Peter Cannon's costume was _not_ exactly like it.
Peter Cannon's original costume had shorts and a weird sorta belt, as
well as that thing around his shoulders and neck.He also went
bare-headed, as you note.
The figure in question is none of those things. The belt is a change
from both Daredevil and Peter Cannon.
jess
jnevins
marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>In article <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) writes:
>> jb...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Fliegel) writes:
>>
>>>In article <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>,
>>>jnevins <jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>Michael Brown <brow...@plhp002.comm.mot.com> writes:
>>>>>>> In <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
>>>>>>(jnevins) writes:
>>>>>>> >In the Kingdom Come preview that came out today, one of the panels -
>>>>>>> >which look just _lovely_ - shows the GA character Daredevil - the blue
>>>>>>> >and red one. How long has he been a DC character?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>>I'm not sure of the character you're refering to, but most likely its an
>>>>>original character created by Alex Ross that is not related to the old
>>>>>Daredevil. Maybe it's Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt, as their costumes are
>>>>>similiar.
>>>>
>>>>It's on the Charlton characters page - but it ain't Peter Cannon, since
>>>>this figure has a masked head, just like the old Daredevil, whereas the
>>>>original Peter Cannon's head was bare, exposing his blond hair.
>>>>
>>>>It's Daredevil.
>>>>
>>
>>>Captain Atom, Peacemaker, Judomaster, and Nightshade all have new looks
>>>on that page. Elsewhere in this preview (or in other preview materials)
>>>we've seen new looks for Green Lantern, Superman, Robin, Wonder Woman,
>>>Flash, Aquaman, Dolphin, Red Tornado, Dr. Midnight, and Hawkman. What
>>>make syou think it's not a new look for Peter Cannon?
>>
>> I can accept that it's Peter Cannon. I'm just curious as to why Waid
>> and/or Ross dressed him up in Daredevil's old costume.
>It's probably because you never saw the Peter CAnnon: Thunderblt OLD Costume.
Ahem. Then what am I looking at right now as I type this?
jess
jnevins
marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>It's probably because you never saw the Peter CAnnon: Thunderblt OLD Costume.
Oh, I get it. You think we're talking about the Marvel Daredevil.
No no no no. There was a character named Daredevil in the 1940s whose
costume is an exact match for the one in this panel (except for the
belt). A much closer match, I repeat, than Peter Cannon's costume, old
or new.
jess
Mike Gallaher
That could be because Ross altered the character's appearance since DC
relinquished the rights to use Thunderbolt in the time between the initial
efforts on KC and its upcoming publication. I think there is no question that
the character was initially supposed to be Peter Cannon, but the addition of
long pants and split-face mask do turn him into a Daredevil lookalike.
Greg Schienke
guyh...@chrysalis.org (Guy Hoyle) wrote:
>So are you saying that if ONE character decides to change his
>costume,. ALL characters have to change their costumes? I think not.
God, no. And you are stretching to try to make that my point. My
point was that if one character changes his or her uniform there is no
reason that another wouldn't.
THE HIGH
In article <4m3di2$t...@maze.dpo.uab.edu>, Sean MacDonald <mcdo...@vorteb.math.uab.edu> writes:
>
>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>Michael Brown <brow...@plhp002.comm.mot.com> writes:
>>
>
>>
>>>Nightshade, and Captain Atom and this big metal guy chasing some guy with
>>>clear skin. I've got most of the Charlton 'Action Hero' comics and I don't
>>>know him.
>>
>>The big metal guy must be like the guy with clear skin and Magog - one of
>>Waid or Ross' made-up heroes.
>>
Wow! Someone with clear skin in a funny book! Matbe it is an ad for Oxy 10!
>
>I assumed that the big metal guy was a conglomeration of the
>Metal Men. Look at the colors and the rivets. Red: Mercury;
>orange: Gold; etc.
>
>(Oh, and as for the guy with transparent skin, if we're
>considering Charlton heroes, by process of elimination,
>wouldn't he have to be the Question? (I guess that clothes
>altering gas might have affected his skin...))
>
>
>
>--
>-SM
> "It seemed a dreadful injustice that these wise races should
>perish at the hands of creatures who were still little more
>than animals. It was as if vultures feasted on and squabbled
>over the paralyzed body of the youthful poet who could only
>stare at them with puzzled eyes as they slowly robbed him of
>an exquisite existence they would never appreciate, never know
>they were taking. 'If they valued what they stole, if they knew
>what they were destroying...then I would be consoled.'"
>-Michael Moorcock
>
>
Love Oodles and Gobs,
THE HIGH
Duggy
On Sat, 27 Apr 1996, Greg Schienke wrote:
> jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
> I don't suppose that it could be at all possible that maybe, if it is
> Thunderbolt, he modified his costume? No, what am I saying? Loook,
> there's Captain Atom, Judo Master, Green Lantern and Robin all wearing
> thier original costumes in KINGDOM COME. Foolish me.
Since Thunderbolt has changed his costume at least once (in JLQ in think)
he might actually do it again.
- Dug.
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Duggy
On 29 Apr 1996 marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:
> I've been reading this for a while... WHAT THE HECK IS A CHARLTON PANEL?
> Is it a panel drawn by a guy named Charlton?
It's the one featuring mainly characters that first appeared in CHARLTON
comics, and were later intergrated into the DC Universe, such as the
original BLUE BEETLE, THUNDERBOLT, CAPT. ATOM, and MAX MERCURY.
Greyfalcon
In article <QlVZ4_C00...@andrew.cmu.edu> "H. Jameel al Khafiz"
> It's also interesting to note that King's metagene activated when the
> Gene Bomb was dropped during Invasion. He is now immortal. That's why
> he looks the same in the Wizard picture.
> ----
Where was this stated? Suicide Squad? I haven't heard this before, but
it's interesting. Does anyone know what's happened to the Royal Flush
Gang? I haven't seen them since JLA Spectacular #1 (false advertising in
that there title.)
--
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it just feels that way.
********\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////****************
SGARRE
>IT's JUST LIKE the new costume (Actually took it out this time) EXCEPT
>that the costume goes UP the neck and into a domino mask, letting his blonde
>hair and mouth hang out. I guess they wanted to make him look 'kewl' because
>that's the theme of the Kingdom Come boooks, the trend towards making the
>characters 'Kewl' and what happens to the old heroes who getpissed off about it
>(See Cable... I mean Magog...). To quote the preview"Magog was originally
>intended to reflect everything we hated about the current Superhero costume
>design" (read: Cable/Bishop) The Kingdom Come books are about the Old heroes
>(GL, S-Man, WW, Aquaman, etc...) taking a stand against these new heroes who
>have really 'unheroic' ways of getting things done.
>
>Todays and yesterdays heroes aged vs. tomorrows violent 'heroes'.
>
Anyone who wants to see Alan Moore's version of this, about 8 (?)
years before the fact should hunt up a copy of "Pictopia". He saw
it all coming and warned everyone. In fact, I think its sort of
comical that people blame him (at least partially) for the
so-called "grim & gritty" movement. I assume this is due to the
fact that he made Rorshach (sic) such an interesting character
that some people missed the point about what a fuckin'
psychotic/Travis Bickle character he was.
Pictopia was included in Anything Goes and The Best Comics
stories Of The Decade, both by Fantagraphics.
What's up with this variant spelling of "cool" all of a sudden?
I've just gotten used to people using "nite" instead of "night"
Gyro G
GAR...@BMS.COM
Michael Blakeman Cleveland
Greyfalcon <mat...@alleg.edu> writes:
>"H. Jameel al Khafiz"
><spec...@CMU.EDU> writes:
>> It's also interesting to note that King's metagene activated when the
>> Gene Bomb was dropped during Invasion. He is now immortal. That's why
>> he looks the same in the Wizard picture.
>Where was this stated? Suicide Squad? I haven't heard this before, but
>it's interesting.
It was in New Titans #68-69, a good Royal Flush Gang story by Karl
and Barbara Kesel and art by Tom Grummett. These were the last two
issues of New Titans that were worth reading.
> Does anyone know what's happened to the Royal Flush
>Gang? I haven't seen them since JLA Spectacular #1 (false advertising in
>that there title.)
Doing the math, the Titans story must have been before the Spectacular.
(Armageddon 2001 hit the Titans around issue 78 (i.e., nine months after
the Kesel story) and JLA around issue 52. The Spectacular was between
issues 60 and 61, so it may be the most recent appearance of the RFG.)
Michael C
Rick Jones
Greyfalcon (mat...@pell4l9.alleg.edu) wrote:
> In article <QlVZ4_C00...@andrew.cmu.edu> "H. Jameel al Khafiz"
> > It's also interesting to note that King's metagene activated when the
> > Gene Bomb was dropped during Invasion. He is now immortal. That's why
> Where was this stated? Suicide Squad? I haven't heard this before, but
New Titans #<mumble> - there was a 2 issue fill in with the RFG as the
villains. The Gambler (masquerading as The Joker) was fronting the team
to make money. King became immortal and depressed. Jack was upset that
someone had popped out one of his eyes to put in a laser, Queen was
hitting the sauce, Ace was still a 'bot, and Ten had a gang of kids (2-9)
running interference. And then the Titans came in and whupped 'em good.
Pretty enjoyable 2 issues, as I remember.
--
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ri...@blkbox.com the corpse."
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Michael Brown
gal...@mollybloom.msfc.nasa.gov (Mike Gallaher) wrote:
>In article <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) writes:
>|> marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>|>
>|> >It's probably because you never saw the Peter CAnnon: Thunderblt OLD Costume.
>|>
>|> Oh, I get it. You think we're talking about the Marvel Daredevil.
>|>
>|> No no no no. There was a character named Daredevil in the 1940s whose
>|> costume is an exact match for the one in this panel (except for the
>|> belt). A much closer match, I repeat, than Peter Cannon's costume, old
>|> or new.
>|>
>
>relinquished the rights to use Thunderbolt in the time between the initial
>efforts on KC and its upcoming publication. I think there is no question that
>the character was initially supposed to be Peter Cannon, but the addition of
>long pants and split-face mask do turn him into a Daredevil lookalike.
That was my take as well.
For those who don't know, here is a description of the Original Tbolt costume
from Charlton:
It consisted of a half blue-half red outfit that covered the chest & arms.
His shorts where half b&r, but opposite the upper body. He went bare legged
(like the original Robin). His shoes where white with gold bands around the
ankles. The mask was black and covered his neck, back of his head, and over
the eyes. The belt was a wide one with diagonal black & yellow strips. In his
origin, we learn that it was his 'athletic outfit' in Tibet that his man
servant had added a mask to.
DC changed this by covering his legs.
The 1940's Daredevil (NOT to be confused with the Marvel character of the
same name) had a full body half red&blue outfit. His belt was a yellow spiked
belt and he carried around a boomerang!
Hope this helps.
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Greyfalcon
In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.96050...@swordfish.jcu.edu.au>
> On 29 Apr 1996 marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:
>
> > I've been reading this for a while... WHAT THE HECK IS A CHARLTON
PANEL?
> > Is it a panel drawn by a guy named Charlton?
>
> It's the one featuring mainly characters that first appeared in CHARLTON
> comics, and were later intergrated into the DC Universe, such as the
> original BLUE BEETLE, THUNDERBOLT, CAPT. ATOM, and MAX MERCURY.
>
Max Mercury was not a Charlton character. He's a Waid cration. He's
visually based on a character called Mercury, who may have been a Charlton
character for all I know. The other Charlton characters shown in that
panel are Peacemaker, Judomaster, and Nightshade.
jnevins
mat...@pell4l9.alleg.edu (Greyfalcon) writes:
>In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.96050...@swordfish.jcu.edu.au>
>Duggy <coe...@jcu.edu.au> writes:
>> On 29 Apr 1996 marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:
>>
>> > I've been reading this for a while... WHAT THE HECK IS A CHARLTON
>PANEL?
>> > Is it a panel drawn by a guy named Charlton?
>>
>> It's the one featuring mainly characters that first appeared in CHARLTON
>> comics, and were later intergrated into the DC Universe, such as the
>> original BLUE BEETLE, THUNDERBOLT, CAPT. ATOM, and MAX MERCURY.
>>
>Max Mercury was not a Charlton character. He's a Waid cration. He's
>visually based on a character called Mercury, who may have been a Charlton
>character for all I know. The other Charlton characters shown in that
>panel are Peacemaker, Judomaster, and Nightshade.
*sigh*
No. Max Mercury is the name Waid gave to the Golden Age character
Quicksilver - from National, I think, although I don't have my
reference sources on hand to verify. Visually Max Mercury is more or
less unchanged from Quicksilver.
The Golden Age Mercury was a Marvel character who only appeared in a
couple of issues and is more obscure than TNT and Dan Dyna-mite.
Finally, Peter Cannon, in the Daredevil uniform, is a Charlton character,
as well.
jess
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Greyfalcon (mat...@pell4l9.alleg.edu) wrote:
: > It's the one featuring mainly characters that first appeared in CHARLTON
: > comics, and were later intergrated into the DC Universe, such as the
: > original BLUE BEETLE, THUNDERBOLT, CAPT. ATOM, and MAX MERCURY.
: >
: Max Mercury was not a Charlton character. He's a Waid cration. He's
: visually based on a character called Mercury...
Not to take any credit away from Mark, but this is only partially
correct. Waid basically amalgamated several speedsters from DC's past
into the Max Mercury character, so he both is and isn't an "original"
creation.
H. Jameel al Khafiz
mat...@pell4l9.alleg.edu (Greyfalcon) writes:
> In article <QlVZ4_C00...@andrew.cmu.edu> "H. Jameel al Khafiz"
> <spec...@CMU.EDU> writes:
> > It's also interesting to note that King's metagene activated when the
> > Gene Bomb was dropped during Invasion. He is now immortal. That's why
>
> Where was this stated? Suicide Squad? I haven't heard this before, but
> that there title.)
It's stated in the Royal Flush Gang's Deluxe Who's Who entry.
Len Leshin
Michael Blakeman Cleveland wrote:
> Greyfalcon <mat...@alleg.edu> writes:
>
> It was in New Titans #68-69, a good Royal Flush Gang story by Karl
> and Barbara Kesel and art by Tom Grummett. These were the last two
> issues of New Titans that were worth reading.
>
> >Gang? I haven't seen them since JLA Spectacular #1 (false advertising in
> >that there title.)
>
> (Armageddon 2001 hit the Titans around issue 78 (i.e., nine months after
> the Kesel story) and JLA around issue 52. The Spectacular was between
> issues 60 and 61, so it may be the most recent appearance of the RFG.)
The Royal Flush Gang made a cameo appearance in Adventures of Superman 520 (Feb
95) in a story called "Christmas Thieves," by Karl Kesel.
--
Len L.
lle...@davlin.net
36, father of 2 and still reading comics...
Michael R. Grabois
On Thu, 2 May 1996 22:33:16 +1000, Duggy <coe...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>On 29 Apr 1996 marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:
>> I've been reading this for a while... WHAT THE HECK IS A CHARLTON PANEL?
>> Is it a panel drawn by a guy named Charlton?
>It's the one featuring mainly characters that first appeared in CHARLTON
>comics, and were later intergrated into the DC Universe, such as the
>original BLUE BEETLE, THUNDERBOLT, CAPT. ATOM, and MAX MERCURY.
Actually, Max Mercury was based off a Golden Age character from
Quality named Quicksilver.
Other Charlton heroes include Nightshade, Question, Peacemaker, and
Sarge Steel.
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andrew
jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: No. Max Mercury is the name Waid gave to the Golden Age character
: reference sources on hand to verify. Visually Max Mercury is more or
: less unchanged from Quicksilver.
Quality. Like Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters.
--Andrew "Who's Who" Melbourne
WILLIAM H. SUDDERTH
Michael R. Grabois (or...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: On Thu, 2 May 1996 22:33:16 +1000, Duggy <coe...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
: >It's the one featuring mainly characters that first appeared in CHARLTON
: >comics, and were later intergrated into the DC Universe, such as the
: >original BLUE BEETLE, THUNDERBOLT, CAPT. ATOM, and MAX MERCURY.
: Actually, Max Mercury was based off a Golden Age character from
: Quality named Quicksilver.
Actually, Max Mercury was based on the Putterman family, of Duracell
commercial fame.
--
William Sudderth
http://www.uncg.edu/~whsudder
Proudly married Shannon W. Sudderth April 20, 1996
Greg Schienke
mat...@pell4l9.alleg.edu (Greyfalcon) wrote:
>Max Mercury was not a Charlton character. He's a Waid cration. He's
>visually based on a character called Mercury, who may have been a Charlton
>character for all I know. The other Charlton characters shown in that
>panel are Peacemaker, Judomaster, and Nightshade.
I'm pretty sure that Max (who can't be named "Quicksilver" anymore for
obvious reasons was a Quality character.
Todd VerBeek, GWM
My friend SGARRE said:
>What's up with this variant spelling of "cool" all of a sudden?
>I've just gotten used to people using "nite" instead of "night"
"Kewl" has been around for a while (online, at least). It's pronounced
like an adolescent male (preferably with a stereotypical pseudo-
surfer/valley accent) would say the word (as in, "Look at the kewl way
BloodForce rips DeathBabe's head off, dood!"), and deliberately misspelled
to reflect the {rebellion against authority / poor spelling skills} such
folks often demonstrate online. It's most often used in these parts as
shorthand for "painfully trendy, and blatantly designed to appeal to the
unhealthy fascination that pubescent boys often have with death, tits,
and/or guns".
Cheers, Todd
Todd VerBeek, GWM
My friend Greyfalcon said:
>Max Mercury was not a Charlton character. He's a Waid cration. He's
>visually based on a character called Mercury, who may have been a Charlton
>character for all I know.
As I understand, Max Mercury is really Quicksilver, an old speedster
character DC acquired some time back (perhaps from Charlton, but I don't
recall). Because of Marvel's trademark on the name "Quicksilver", Waid had
to rename. However, you're correct (in a sense) to say that Waid created
him; he was pretty much a cipher until Waud resurrected him and added him
to the Flash supporting cast.
Cheers, Todd
Scott Hollifield
Todd VerBeek, GWM (ver...@hope.edu) wrote:
: As I understand, Max Mercury is really Quicksilver, an old speedster
: character DC acquired some time back (perhaps from Charlton, but I don't
: recall). Because of Marvel's trademark on the name "Quicksilver", Waid had
: to rename. However, you're correct (in a sense) to say that Waid created
: him; he was pretty much a cipher until Waud resurrected him and added him
: to the Flash supporting cast.
Actually, Max Mercury (nee' the Golden Age Quicksilver) was a Quality
character from National Comics, and in a way, I'm a little susprised that
Len Wein didn't resurrect him with the other Freedom Fighters, since a
speedster is an obvious addition to any team.
He also had his own supporting cast before Waid came along, although if
Waid refuses to bring back Jerry and Tina, I sincerely doubt he's going to
bring back Max's faithful Oriental sidekick, Hoo Mee.
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Greyfalcon
In article <318c195b...@news.ip.portal.com> ver...@hope.edu (Todd
> My friend Greyfalcon said:
> >Max Mercury was not a Charlton character. He's a Waid cration. He's
> >visually based on a character called Mercury, who may have been a
Charlton
> >character for all I know.
>
> character DC acquired some time back (perhaps from Charlton, but I don't
> recall). Because of Marvel's trademark on the name "Quicksilver", Waid
had
> to rename. However, you're correct (in a sense) to say that Waid
created
> him; he was pretty much a cipher until Waud resurrected him and added
him
> to the Flash supporting cast.
>
Whoops. I realized my mistake after I posted. And then I saw someone
post about Mercury being an obscure Golden Age character from Timely (more
obscure than TNT and DynaMite he said - but I don't think those two are
obscure!!!) However, Max's origins and such were basically mixed together
by Waid. He's not the same as that Quicksilver - other than the costume.
(although I'm not very familiar with the character - but I did recall the
costume when he was introduced in the Return of Barry Allen storyline - I
just couldn't place it.)
Greg Schienke
fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
>Waid basically amalgamated several speedsters from DC's past
>into the Max Mercury character, so he both is and isn't an "original"
>creation.
Ok, call me "anal fanboy," but I find this statement interesting.
Aside fromthe various Flashes, Johnny Quick amd Quicksilver, what
other speedsters were there? Which speedsters did he use? I'm
talking heroes here, so no Professor Zoom posts, please.
Thanks,
Greg
Guy Hoyle
Sco...@cris.com (Scott Hollifield) wrote:
>Actually, Max Mercury (nee' the Golden Age Quicksilver) was a Quality
>character from National Comics, and in a way, I'm a little susprised that
>Len Wein didn't resurrect him with the other Freedom Fighters, since a
>speedster is an obvious addition to any team.
Quality was never a part of National; in fact, National eventually
became DC (along with its sister company, All American).
jnevins
schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) writes:
>fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
Off the top of my head, the three Marvel speedsters were the Whizzer,
Mercury, and the Hurricane.
I, too, am curious to know what other speedsters Mr. Waid used, though.
jess
Melsteve
>I, too, am curious to know what other speedsters Mr. Waid used, though.
Easy.....It's obvious that Max is a 90's version of Fastback.
melsteve
heh
Anonymous IU Student
schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) wrote:
>fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
>
>>Waid basically amalgamated several speedsters from DC's past
>>into the Max Mercury character, so he both is and isn't an "original"
>>creation.
>
>Ok, call me "anal fanboy," but I find this statement interesting.
>Aside fromthe various Flashes, Johnny Quick amd Quicksilver, what
>other speedsters were there? Which speedsters did he use? I'm
>talking heroes here, so no Professor Zoom posts, please.
>
I think she was talking about the various names Max took each time
he leapt forward in time. Like, Flash 198 or thereabouts has his
origin story where he is known in various time periods as Bluestreak,
Windrunner, Awehomota (misspelled), Quicksilver (altho not mentioned),
and finally as Max Mercury.
However, I can't recall any of these names published before this
issue by DC, although Bluestreak seems familiar. Maybe they were
golden age characters?
-anonymous iu student
Greg Schienke
jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>Off the top of my head, the three Marvel speedsters were the Whizzer,
>Mercury, and the Hurricane.
Well, heck I thought of those, but I thought it was implied that Waid
uesd characters owned by DC. Are there any other male speedsters in
DC's past aside from the Flashes, Quicksilver and Johnny Thunder?
Guy Hoyle
Anonymous IU Student <stu...@indiana.edu> wrote:
>I think she was talking about the various names Max took each time
>he leapt forward in time. Like, Flash 198 or thereabouts has his
>origin story where he is known in various time periods as Bluestreak,
>Windrunner, Awehomota (misspelled), Quicksilver (altho not mentioned),
>and finally as Max Mercury.
Actually, I just read this issue Monday for the first time; he
actually DID mention the name "Quicksilver".
John B 821
In article <4mqbpn$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mels...@aol.com (Melsteve)
writes:
>Easy.....It's obvious that Max is a 90's version of Fastback.
Haven't thought about good ol' Timmy Joe in aeons.
It's a darned <dont want to violate any federal statutes> shame that
CCAHAZC got
cancelled.
gald...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
>
>>fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
>
>>>Waid basically amalgamated several speedsters from DC's past
>>>into the Max Mercury character, so he both is and isn't an "original"
>>>creation.
>
>>Ok, call me "anal fanboy," but I find this statement interesting.
>>Aside fromthe various Flashes, Johnny Quick amd Quicksilver, what
>>other speedsters were there? Which speedsters did he use? I'm
>>talking heroes here, so no Professor Zoom posts, please.
>
> Mercury, and the Hurricane.
>
>
Count me in as a curious person...AFAIK, Max is based on the Quality
character "Quicksilver", who appeared only briefly and had no really
well-defined history. In Who's Who (the real one, not the binder
thing), it basically said nothing was known about Quicksilver's past.
Gal-El
marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
In article <4mqehh$c...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Anonymous IU Student <stu...@indiana.edu> writes:
> schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) wrote:
>>fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
>>
>>>Waid basically amalgamated several speedsters from DC's past
>>>into the Max Mercury character, so he both is and isn't an "original"
>>>creation.
>>
>>Ok, call me "anal fanboy," but I find this statement interesting.
>>Aside fromthe various Flashes, Johnny Quick amd Quicksilver, what
>>other speedsters were there? Which speedsters did he use? I'm
>>talking heroes here, so no Professor Zoom posts, please.
>>
>
>
> he leapt forward in time. Like, Flash 198 or thereabouts has his
> origin story where he is known in various time periods as Bluestreak,
> Windrunner, Awehomota (misspelled), Quicksilver (altho not mentioned),
> and finally as Max Mercury.
>
> issue by DC, although Bluestreak seems familiar. Maybe they were
> golden age characters?
Naw, Bluestreak is a transformer. "I'm called BLuestreak because of the blue
streak on the side of my car, some people tell me it's because I talk like a
Blue Streak, btu no one ever explained to me what a blue streak as so I don't
really know and..."
-Cheese
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jnevins
schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) writes:
>jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>Off the top of my head, the three Marvel speedsters were the Whizzer,
>>Mercury, and the Hurricane.
> Well, heck I thought of those, but I thought it was implied that Waid
>uesd characters owned by DC. Are there any other male speedsters in
>DC's past aside from the Flashes, Quicksilver and Johnny Thunder?
No.
jess
Greyfalcon
In article <jnevins....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
>
> >>Waid basically amalgamated several speedsters from DC's past
> >>into the Max Mercury character, so he both is and isn't an "original"
> >>creation.
>
> >Ok, call me "anal fanboy," but I find this statement interesting.
> >Aside fromthe various Flashes, Johnny Quick amd Quicksilver, what
> >other speedsters were there? Which speedsters did he use? I'm
> >talking heroes here, so no Professor Zoom posts, please.
>
> Mercury, and the Hurricane.
>
I'm not sure what company this one is from or even if the name is right,
but what about the Spinning Top?
<I think it might have been a Fox character. Maybe not. Wasn't the
Whizzer one of the characters from the company that became Archie comics?>
Jeffrey T Humbert
jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: >>Off the top of my head, the three Marvel speedsters were the Whizzer,
: >>Mercury, and the Hurricane.
: > Well, heck I thought of those, but I thought it was implied that Waid
: >uesd characters owned by DC. Are there any other male speedsters in
: >DC's past aside from the Flashes, Quicksilver and Johnny Thunder?
: No.
Are you sure? Thinking about some of the villians for the speedsters, as
they always have one or two as fast as they are include, Jonny Quick's
enemy in All-Star Squad: Die Blitkrieg, umm, I suppose all the flash
characters could be lumped into flashes (russians,
crazy-jealous-husband-wth-a-costume-guy,etc.), hmm, that's it
off the top of my head. I doubt Max was working for the Germans in WW2,
though. Who knows?
Scott Johnson
John B 821 (john...@aol.com) wrote:
: In article <4mqbpn$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mels...@aol.com (Melsteve)
Doubt you'll get much arguement there. And as long as we're on the
subject, we've got to include a few more speedsters - the Terrific
Whatzit, the Crash, the Cheshire Cheetah... with an honorable mention to
Slumberjack, the world's slowest jackrabbit.
Boy, I miss that book.
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Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Okay, time to clear things up. Hope I get all the attributions right.
Me first:
: > >>Waid basically amalgamated several speedsters from DC's past
: > >>into the Max Mercury character, so he both is and isn't an "original"
: > >>creation.
Okay, this was my impression but I guess I was wrong. Read on.
Then Greg Schienke <schi...@sat.net> wrote:
: > >Ok, call me "anal fanboy," but I find this statement interesting.
: > >Aside fromthe various Flashes, Johnny Quick amd Quicksilver, what
: > >other speedsters were there? Which speedsters did he use? I'm
: > >talking heroes here, so no Professor Zoom posts, please.
And Jess Nevins <jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> wrote:
: > Off the top of my head, the three Marvel speedsters were the Whizzer,
: > Mercury, and the Hurricane.
Then Greyfalcon (mat...@pell4l9.alleg.edu) wrote:
: I'm not sure what company this one is from or even if the name is right,
: but what about the Spinning Top?
Finally, Mark Waid <MW...@aol.com> responds:
"Max is based strictly on the old Quicksilver character. I have thrown
around a few alternate names for him in past identities, but none are
meant to represent existing speedsters; they're just names I tossed off.
I'm sure someone, somewhere has used one or two of them for real, but Max
isn't meant to be anyone but Quicksilver."
Hope that clears things up! Thanks for your patience while I awaited
Mark's final word on this, and of course for all the neat speculation.
jnevins
fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) writes:
>Finally, Mark Waid <MW...@aol.com> responds:
>"Max is based strictly on the old Quicksilver character. I have thrown
>around a few alternate names for him in past identities, but none are
>meant to represent existing speedsters; they're just names I tossed off.
>I'm sure someone, somewhere has used one or two of them for real, but Max
>isn't meant to be anyone but Quicksilver."
>Hope that clears things up! Thanks for your patience while I awaited
>Mark's final word on this, and of course for all the neat speculation.
Thanks, Elayne.
Y'know, I realize Waid has little tolerance for net criticism - but every
time he answers these questions I get to wishing he was still around more
and more....
thank him for us, will you, Elayne?
jess
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) writes:
: Thanks, Elayne.
Consider it done, Jess. He *IS* lurking on this newsgroup once more and,
as far as I could ascertain from our conversation yesterday, reading every
KINGDOM COME thread.
And I miss his participation tremendously as well, but he knows that, and
frankly I agree with his decision not to post here any more. If he
doesn't mind, and y'all don't think it presumptuous of me, I will
continue to serve as conduit for these types of questions.
JoPe Montagnet
fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) writes:
> And I miss his participation tremendously as well, but he knows that,
> and frankly I agree with his decision not to post here any more.
hmmm... but does he REALLY realize the inspiration he is to us all???
i'll never be pulled into another flamewar if he refuses to himself!
ahem. sorry. fevered-brain analogy. i'm better now. :)
no offense, elayne, but i don't see what benefit acting through a
proxy has if mark's going to turn around and read every kc post.
(those "rotten narration" bombs must be killing him, argh!)
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jnevins
fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) writes:
>jnevins (jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu) wrote:
>: Y'know, I realize Waid has little tolerance for net criticism - but every
>: time he answers these questions I get to wishing he was still around more
>: and more....
>: thank him for us, will you, Elayne?
>Consider it done, Jess. He *IS* lurking on this newsgroup once more and,
>as far as I could ascertain from our conversation yesterday, reading every
>KINGDOM COME thread.
>And I miss his participation tremendously as well, but he knows that, and
>frankly I agree with his decision not to post here any more. If he
I'm sorry if I gave that impression - considering the vast amount of
mean-spirited carping that goes on here, I can't blame him for departing.
Not at all.
>doesn't mind, and y'all don't think it presumptuous of me, I will
>continue to serve as conduit for these types of questions.
Presumptuous, hell - I'm exceedingly grateful that you do it & that he
continues to respond.
Perhaps we all should remember the bad old days of the 1970s when those
of us out in Consumer Land had -no- interaction with the pros except at
conventions. I remember those days quite well - trust me, we're all a
lot better off now.
jess
marq...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
> (jnevins) writes:
>
>>I, too, am curious to know what other speedsters Mr. Waid used, though.
>
"You've become a hero named Fatback?"
"No maw, FASTback."
Man, I wanted to see some CC&HAZC references in Kingdom Come. Good thing we
have what, 3 more books?
Neil Barnes
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput (fire...@panix.com) wrote:
: Consider it done, Jess. He *IS* lurking on this newsgroup once more and,
: as far as I could ascertain from our conversation yesterday, reading every
: KINGDOM COME thread.
Then you've got to admire his endurance, because there's a rediculous
number of KC threads (then again, that must be quite a compliment).
neil
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: > and frankly I agree with his decision not to post here any more.
: hmmm... but does he REALLY realize the inspiration he is to us all???
I hope so. I'd like to think he does.
: no offense, elayne, but i don't see what benefit acting through a
: proxy has if mark's going to turn around and read every kc post.
: (those "rotten narration" bombs must be killing him, argh!)
I'm not serving as that much of a "proxy" in terms of KINGDOM COME
stuff. Johanna already gave away much of our conversation with Mark from
Saturday (who the characters are, etc.). The only thing I've passed on
from him, and it wasn't really something he *asked* me to pass on, was
the thing about it not mattering which Flash or Green Lantern is
depicted. I don't want to flood Mark with KINGDOM COME questions, as I
think it's a good idea for folks to speculate like crazy at this point,
and I'm sure he does too. That's more than half the fun, after all.
Jonathan Woodward
Finally, Mark Waid <MW...@aol.com> responds:
> "Max is based strictly on the old Quicksilver character. I have thrown
> around a few alternate names for him in past identities, but none are
> meant to represent existing speedsters; they're just names I tossed off.
> I'm sure someone, somewhere has used one or two of them for real, but Max
> isn't meant to be anyone but Quicksilver."
-Pop quiz for the group at large: what was Max
Mercury/Quicksilver's last appearance _before_ he popped up in _Flash_?
-JW
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Jonathan Woodward
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput (fire...@panix.com) wrote:
> The only thing I've passed on
> from him, and it wasn't really something he *asked* me to pass on, was
> the thing about it not mattering which Flash or Green Lantern is
> depicted. I don't want to flood Mark with KINGDOM COME questions, as I
> think it's a good idea for folks to speculate like crazy at this point,
> and I'm sure he does too. That's more than half the fun, after all.
-...Is there a contradiction in that paragraph, or is it just
me? I find it hard to believe that it actually doesn't matter whether
it's Alan or Hal, or whether it's Jay or Wally, but I'll trust in Elayne
and Waid, and see how it turns out.
-JW
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Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle.
Loki Carbis
: He also had his own supporting cast before Waid came along, although if
: Waid refuses to bring back Jerry and Tina, I sincerely doubt he's going to
: bring back Max's faithful Oriental sidekick, Hoo Mee.
Although it might be kind of fun if he did. But I'm more than
satisfied with Max so far, although more exploration of his past is always
welcome.
Oh, and if Waid refuses to bring back Jerry and Tina, who was that
in the "Razer" storyline back in Flash #84 or so?
Loki
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Loki Carbis
: -Pop quiz for the group at large: what was Max
Aside from being in Who's Who, I didn't think he'd appeared
anywhere since National shut down. I mean, he didn't even appear in
Crisis!
He did appear in "The Golden Age" (for all of one panel) but that
wasn't in continuity.
Jonathan Woodward
Loki Carbis (lo...@daemon.apana.org.au) wrote:
> : -Pop quiz for the group at large: what was Max
> : Mercury/Quicksilver's last appearance _before_ he popped up in _Flash_?
> Aside from being in Who's Who, I didn't think he'd appeared
> anywhere since National shut down. I mean, he didn't even appear in
> Crisis!
> He did appear in "The Golden Age" (for all of one panel) but that
> wasn't in continuity.
-Nope, I'm thinking of a regular, nominally-in-continuity comic
book, still extant. The issue was, oh, after _Invasion_ but before _War
Of The Gods_. He's only in one panel, I admit...
-JW
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Spoiler: In _Murder On The Orient Express_, everyone did it.
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In article <4n794k$p...@anarchy.io.com>,
Jonathan Woodward <wood...@io.com> wrote:
> -Pop quiz for the group at large: what was Max
>Mercury/Quicksilver's last appearance _before_ he popped up in _Flash_?
>
Djs
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njru...@asarian.org
: >>Off the top of my head, the three Marvel speedsters were the Whizzer,
: >>Mercury, and the Hurricane.
: >uesd characters owned by DC. Are there any other male speedsters in
: >DC's past aside from the Flashes, Quicksilver and Johnny Thunder?
:
: No.
Unless you count the dead alien from Angor, variously known as Jack B.
Quick, Captain Speed, and (I think) Johnny Quick (Mk III).
- Mikel Midnight
Michael R. Grabois
On 10 May 96 12:34:23 GMT, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) writes:
>> Well, heck I thought of those, but I thought it was implied that Waid
>>uesd characters owned by DC. Are there any other male speedsters in
>>DC's past aside from the Flashes, Quicksilver and Johnny Thunder?
>No.
Oooh, you're wrong. Sorry, Jess, thanks for playing our game... <G>
Here's the Canonical List of DCU Speedsters, in alphabetical order:
Amazo (using Flash II's powers)
Blue Trinity (Christina "Lady Flash" was one of the members)
Captain Marvel and co. (they have the speed of Mercury, remember?)
Fastback (from the Zoo Crew)
Flash I (Jay)
Flash II (Barry)
Flash III (Wally)
Flash IV (John Fox)
Hermes (the Greek god)
Impala (a Global Guardian)
Impulse
Jesse Quick
Johnny Quick (hero)
Johnny Quick (Earth-3, Crime Syndicate)
Johnny Quick/Captain Speed (from Silver Sorceress homeworld)
Kapitalist Kouriers (three russians)
Lady Flash (Christina)
Max Mercury (aka Quicksilver, Windrunner, Blue Streak, etc.)
Mercury (the Roman god)
Reverse-Flash (aka Professor Zoom)
Savitar
Speed Mcgee
Teriffic Whatzit (a turtle in Jay-Flash's costume)
Velocity-9 junkies
XS
Der Zyklon, a WWII All-Star Squadron foe
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jnevins
or...@ix.netcom.com (Michael R. Grabois) writes:
>On 10 May 96 12:34:23 GMT, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) writes:
>>> Well, heck I thought of those, but I thought it was implied that Waid
>>>uesd characters owned by DC. Are there any other male speedsters in
>>>DC's past aside from the Flashes, Quicksilver and Johnny Thunder?
>>No.
>Oooh, you're wrong. Sorry, Jess, thanks for playing our game... <G>
ahem. Since the subject at hand was _Golden Age_ DC speedsters -
specifically the ones that Waid theoretically used to make Max Mercurty -
I stand by my post. :PPPPPPPP <G>
jess
Jonathan Woodward
David J. Snyder (da...@io.com) wrote:
> In article <4n794k$p...@anarchy.io.com>,
> Jonathan Woodward <wood...@io.com> wrote:
> > -Pop quiz for the group at large: what was Max
> >Mercury/Quicksilver's last appearance _before_ he popped up in _Flash_?
> Young All-Stars 27.
-Ooo, you may be right (I'm not sure which was more recent), but
that wasn't the one I'm thinking of.
-JW
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Michael R. Grabois (or...@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Here's the Canonical List of DCU Speedsters, in alphabetical order:
Uh, I think you've forgotten about that guy with the big 'S" on his chest.
Uh, whathisname, you know... (You counted the Marvel Family after all)
Also, lot's of other characters, like The Ray, or Green Lantern
(Interstellar Travel, so he's gotta be fast). I would guess that The
Spectre or Dr. Fate could be super-fast if they wanted to be. I'd also assume
Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter also posess a degree of super-speed. It's
a pretty common power in the DCU....
Prestorjon
<< Are there any other male speedsters in
DC's past aside from the Flashes, Quicksilver and Johnny Thunder?>>
There were the members of Red and Blue Trinity (some of whom were men).
There's also Impulse, Savitar, and Reflex (of Sovereign Seven)
Michael R. Grabois
On 14 May 96 09:50:32 GMT, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>or...@ix.netcom.com (Michael R. Grabois) writes:
>>On 10 May 96 12:34:23 GMT, jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>>>schi...@sat.net (Greg Schienke) writes:
>>>> Well, heck I thought of those, but I thought it was implied that Waid
>>>>uesd characters owned by DC. Are there any other male speedsters in
>>>>DC's past aside from the Flashes, Quicksilver and Johnny Thunder?
>>>No.
>>Oooh, you're wrong. Sorry, Jess, thanks for playing our game... <G>
>ahem. Since the subject at hand was _Golden Age_ DC speedsters -
>specifically the ones that Waid theoretically used to make Max Mercurty -
>I stand by my post. :PPPPPPPP <G>
D'oh!
I thought you were discussing DCU speedsters in general, including
Silver and Modern age.
Besides, you mentioned "Flashes" -- Flash (Barry) wasn't Golden Age,
anyway. <G>
And it gave me a chance to post the list.
Michael R. Grabois
On 14 May 1996 20:44:35 GMT, aa...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Christopher L.
Tumber) wrote:
>Michael R. Grabois (or...@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>> Here's the Canonical List of DCU Speedsters, in alphabetical order:
>Uh, I think you've forgotten about that guy with the big 'S" on his chest.
>Uh, whathisname, you know... (You counted the Marvel Family after all)
The Marvel Family specifically has the Speed of Mercury (or in Mary's
case the Fleetness of Zephyrus). I suppose Hoppy the Marvel Bunny
should go in there, too.
I thought about putting characters like Kryptonians, Daxamites, and
other people with incidental speed powers (like Ultra Boy; heck, even
Ray should be able to go light speed), but I only wanted to list those
with a potential link to the Speed Force, for whom speed is their
primary power (or in the case of the Marvels and Amazo, an secondary
direct link via another).
>Also, lot's of other characters, like The Ray, or Green Lantern
>(Interstellar Travel, so he's gotta be fast). I would guess that The
>Spectre or Dr. Fate could be super-fast if they wanted to be. I'd also assume
>Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter also posess a degree of super-speed. It's
>a pretty common power in the DCU....
Dr. Fate is magic-based, and Spectre is a force of nature. J'Onn
J'Onzz hasn't shown speed powers to my knowledge, and WW may be fast
but she's not a speedster. And GL uses space warps, which don't count.
<G>
N.J.W...@ncl.ac.uk
What about Supes. Ok he's not as fast as Flash or Impulse but he's not
exactly slow!