Just realized I have "Final Crisis", not "Infinite Crisis"
Ohioguy
and then got what I thought was the followup from the library. However,
as I sat down to read it, I realized it was called "Final Crisis", not
"Infinite Crisis".
Should I just go ahead and read this, or do I really need to read
Infinite Crisis first, for everything to make sense?
Marty
grinningdemon
<killha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Final Crisis won't make anymore sense I'm afraid.
Damn, you beat me to it...FC was a mess...a couple of the tie-ins were
decent (Legion of 3 Worlds, Rogue's Revenge) but the main series was a
waste of paper in my opinion...that said, it really has no connection
to Infinite Crisis (or, sadly, even to the books that were supposed to
lead into it) so feel free to go ahead and read it if you want...but I
would read Infinite Crisis before reading Legion of 3 Worlds because
that actually is connected to Infinite Crisis.
Not Sure
So you're finally admitting that you're a fucking idiot? Well that
didn't take long.
Brenda Clough
Yes, INFINITE CRISIS is better. Somewhat.
Brenda
Anlatt the Builder
Whereas in your case we were Sure from day one. Please go away.
Unknown
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Infinite Crisis really has nothing to do with Final Crisis. Nothing you
will read will make any sense of Final Crisis.
stephen...@googlemail.com
though I'm a devout Grant Morrison fan. When you read throught the
whole series from start to finsh, you can see that it's been heavily
edited, with some parts having been tweaked to fit with the Countdown
books, rather than the other way around. The last issue smacks of
being something added on as an afterthought so that Superman (or
Supermen) can save the day, as he's supposed to do in all Crises. The
last few pages with the marooned Batman seem to have lifted out of
issue 6 and plonked down at the end of issue 7.
Steve
On 24 Nov, 19:04, grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:47:25 -0800 (PST), Marty
>
> >> Infinite Crisis first, for everything to make sense?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
grinningdemon
"stephen...@googlemail.com" <stephen...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>Final Crisis wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, even
>though I'm a devout Grant Morrison fan. When you read throught the
>whole series from start to finsh, you can see that it's been heavily
>edited, with some parts having been tweaked to fit with the Countdown
>books, rather than the other way around. The last issue smacks of
>being something added on as an afterthought so that Superman (or
>Supermen) can save the day, as he's supposed to do in all Crises. The
>last few pages with the marooned Batman seem to have lifted out of
>issue 6 and plonked down at the end of issue 7.
>
>Steve
If that was the heavily edited version that was supposed to fit with
Countdown, I'd hate to have seen it before...because it didn't go
along with anything from Countdown or the Death of the New Gods books
that were supposedly the lead ins for it.
OM
<fred1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>So you're finally admitting that you're a fucking idiot? Well that
>didn't take long.
...So, are you going to seek therapy for your inability to deal with
your being a pathetic catamite, or are you simply going to continue
punishing us over the fact that you simply can't come to terms with
the realization that you could have charged your relatives more for
blowjobs than a couple of Tootsie Pops?
OM
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"stephen...@googlemail.com" <stephen...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> The last few pages with the marooned Batman seem to have lifted out of
>issue 6 and plonked down at the end of issue 7.
...There's apparenlty some truth to this, in that #7 went through some
last-minute rewrites for various reasons. About the only bit that's
been conifirmed is that the original ending was supposed to feature
Kamandi, thus completing the circle where he appears to give Anthro
the symbol.
One thing is for certain: the consensus is that the song Superman sang
was "Never Gonna Give You Up", which just proved that "Final Crisis"
was nothing more than Grant Morrison pulling a Rickroll on us...
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>because it didn't go
>along with anything from Countdown or the Death of the New Gods books
>that were supposedly the lead ins for it.
...That's because none of the editors involved were doing their jobs
in trying to keep things coordinated. This was further compounded by
the fact that Jim Starlin was allowed to recycle his much-derided
"Cosmic Odyssey" plot - where the "Anti-Life Equation" is a living
entity and not a concept as Kirby originated - and use it to give the
New Gods a pathetic sendoff that was an insult to the creations and
the memory of Jack Kirby. It's always stuck in Starlin's craw that the
vast majority of Fourth World fans hated that miniseries - it's only
redeeming aspect was great art from Mike Mignola - which is why he
reused it as the foundation for DOTNG. If anything related to "Final
Crisis" needs to be retconned out of existence, its DOTNG. It's even
more pathetic than JM DeMatteis numerous recyclings of his
long-rejected "The Dark" crossover series proposal.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:06:26 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>because it didn't go
>>along with anything from Countdown or the Death of the New Gods books
>>that were supposedly the lead ins for it.
>
>...That's because none of the editors involved were doing their jobs
>in trying to keep things coordinated. This was further compounded by
>the fact that Jim Starlin was allowed to recycle his much-derided
>"Cosmic Odyssey" plot - where the "Anti-Life Equation" is a living
>entity and not a concept as Kirby originated - and use it to give the
>New Gods a pathetic sendoff that was an insult to the creations and
>the memory of Jack Kirby. It's always stuck in Starlin's craw that the
>vast majority of Fourth World fans hated that miniseries - it's only
>redeeming aspect was great art from Mike Mignola - which is why he
>reused it as the foundation for DOTNG. If anything related to "Final
>Crisis" needs to be retconned out of existence, its DOTNG. It's even
>more pathetic than JM DeMatteis numerous recyclings of his
>long-rejected "The Dark" crossover series proposal.
>
>
> OM
Actually, I could do without Countdown, DOTNG, and FC...they
sucked...and the only FC tie-ins worth reading didn't actually have
anything to do with FC at all.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Actually, I could do without Countdown, DOTNG, and FC...they
>sucked...and the only FC tie-ins worth reading didn't actually have
>anything to do with FC at all.
...Agreed. The Rogues and Legion minis were excellent, and the latter
was *almost* worth the unexplained and unnecessary delays between
issues. All FC - or, as I called it damn near three years ago now,
"Anal Crisis" - needed was a strong editor who could a) keep all the
tie-ins coordinated insofar as continuity was concerned, b) take total
control of Morrison's drug intake, and c) stare down Didio into
finding someone who *respected* the Kirby mythos enough to give a coda
to the New Gods that wasn't insulting to the memory of Jack Kirby, if
such a coda really was necessary. Considering the total festering sack
of wannabee manga fecal matter that Super Dumb Punk Team or what ever
the so-called "Fifth World Forever People" was, I actually fear for
what's supposed to replace Orion, Metron, Lightray and the rest.
Mike Hall
"Crisis" enough. We need Supercrisis, Batcrisis and Crisis in the
Sky! Once the Crisisverse has got through Crisistime, a Dr Crisis
ongoing series could explore any remaining Crisis-type stories while
the barrel can still be scraped.
Mike Hall
Brenda Clough
Titles could include:
Crisis in the Worst Way
Aw, Crisis!
The Way, the Truth and the Crisis
Sunday in the Park with Crisis
Brenda
John
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Crisis Me A River.
Unknown
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Let's Twist Again Like We Did Last Crisis (starring the Red Tornado)
DiDio Still in Charge: The Crisis Continues
Superman IV: The Crisis for Peace
Don't Crisis For Me Argentina
Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo
Brenda Clough
Oh, Crisis!
I'm a Yankee Doodle Crisis
The Good, the Bad and the Crisis
Worlds of Crisis
Charlie and the Crisis Factory
Hey, Look a Crisis!
Warewolf
>
> "Brenda Clough" <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Titles could include:
>>
>> Crisis in the Worst Way
>> Aw, Crisis!
>> The Way, the Truth and the Crisis
>> Sunday in the Park with Crisis
>
> Let's Twist Again Like We Did Last Crisis (starring the Red Tornado)
> DiDio Still in Charge: The Crisis Continues
> Superman IV: The Crisis for Peace
> Don't Crisis For Me Argentina
> Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo
Toon Crisis
Crisis.EXE
Why do you Crisis?
The Secret of Crisis
The Tomb of Crisis
The Serpent of Crisis
The Eye of Crisis
Oh, Mighty Crisis
True Crisis
Passion of the Crisis
When they Crisis
Devil May Crisis
Crisis 1/?
Joe Sewell
Secrets of Crisis.
Ulrich Koch
Amalgam Comics had The Secret Crisis of the Infinity Hour,
IIRC. I thought that summed it up nicely.
Other ideas:
Crisis in Infinite Universes
Crisis in Infinite Multiverses
The Crisis for Everyone
The Crisis for Everyone and Their Brother
The Crisis for Even More People
What, Me Crisis?
Ulli