Twilight of the Gods!
AMT
proposal and I have two questions:
#1) What was the problem that kept this story from happening? Was it,
as I suspect, an unwillingness to screw with a post-Crisis DCU so soon
after establishing the new status quo? Or did DC irritate Moore and
cause him to leave DC, making an orphan of Twilight?
#2) Since Wildstorm has been bought by DC and they now have Hypertime,
is there any reason why this story couldn't be done now? Besides the
parallels to Kingdom Come, I mean. I know Moore probably won't work
directly for DC, but did they buy the story from him? If so, they could
do with it what they will. ---Alan
Terence Chua
>Okay, so I've been reading about Alan Moore's Twilight of the Gods
>proposal and I have two questions:
>
>#1) What was the problem that kept this story from happening? Was it,
>as I suspect, an unwillingness to screw with a post-Crisis DCU so soon
>after establishing the new status quo? Or did DC irritate Moore and
>cause him to leave DC, making an orphan of Twilight?
SPOILERS HO!
Well, probably both reasons are true. Having read the proposal several
times, the ideas in it are neat, but Moore seems to take way too much glee
with messing around with archetypes (having Captain Marvel and Mary Marvel
involved in an incestuous marriage; Doll Man as an inhuman insect like
creature; Uncle Sam as a drunk; Plastic Man as a gigolo). I'd have loved
to see it as a series, and knowing Moore then, at the height of his
powers, it would have been incredible. However, if I were a DC editor I'd
hesitate severely at letting him deal with the characters this way, even
as an Elseworlds kind of deal (which term didn't exist at the time).
It's interesting to note that Alex Ross' Uncle Sam series came about at a
time *after* he read the Twilight proposal (he was shown the proposal
while pitching Kingdom Come).
>#2) Since Wildstorm has been bought by DC and they now have Hypertime,
>is there any reason why this story couldn't be done now? Besides the
>parallels to Kingdom Come, I mean. I know Moore probably won't work
>directly for DC, but did they buy the story from him? If so, they could
>do with it what they will. ---Alan
DC claims to own the proposal, and considering that the characters in it
are all DC-owned, they have a case. That doesn't necessarily preclude
Moore from rewriting it with new (or lifted) characters, but I don't think
it'll happen because (a) Moore doesn't give a damn about telling those
kinds of stories anymore; and (b) DC might try to sue for whatever
pathetic reason they can come up with, and the battle will be truly ugly
to behold.
DC won't try to use it because it's too close to KC, as well as it screws
around really badly with the pure and wholesome image of the heroes in it,
and while this isn't a consideration for them if they do try it might piss
Moore off so bad he might walk away from Wildstorm as well, wanting
nothing to do with DC money directly or indirectly.
FWIW, the proposal can be read in all its glory at
http://www.eso.org/~jbarry/twilight.html currently.
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Terence Chua <kh...@yay.tim.org>
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Terence Chua
kh...@yay.tim.org (Terence Chua) wrote:
>In article <36BCF4...@earthlink.net>, amtr...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>>Okay, so I've been reading about Alan Moore's Twilight of the Gods
>>proposal and I have two questions:
>>
>>#1) What was the problem that kept this story from happening? Was it,
>>as I suspect, an unwillingness to screw with a post-Crisis DCU so soon
>>after establishing the new status quo? Or did DC irritate Moore and
>>cause him to leave DC, making an orphan of Twilight?
>
>SPOILERS HO!
>
>
>DC claims to own the proposal, and considering that the characters in it
>are all DC-owned, they have a case. That doesn't necessarily preclude
>Moore from rewriting it with new (or lifted) characters, but I don't think
>it'll happen because (a) Moore doesn't give a damn about telling those
>kinds of stories anymore; and (b) DC might try to sue for whatever
>pathetic reason they can come up with, and the battle will be truly ugly
>to behold.
I've been since informed that DC does indeed own the proposal, as they
paid Moore for it. This was information I wasn't previously aware of, so
mea culpa. :-)
The other reasons still hold, though.
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Terence Chua <kh...@tim.org>
Mikel Midnight
> #1) What was the problem that kept this story from happening? Was it,
> as I suspect, an unwillingness to screw with a post-Crisis DCU so soon
> after establishing the new status quo? Or did DC irritate Moore and
> cause him to leave DC, making an orphan of Twilight?
It probably had something to do with the scenes of pedophilia and sadomasochism.
> #2) Since Wildstorm has been bought by DC and they now have Hypertime,
> is there any reason why this story couldn't be done now? Besides the
> parallels to Kingdom Come, I mean. I know Moore probably won't work
> directly for DC, but did they buy the story from him? If so, they could
> do with it what they will.
Given that they could have done this at any time over the intervening
years, I see no reason why they would start now. Besides, it would only
make their intervening crossover miniseries look derivitive by comparison.
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