Whatever happened to Monarch?
Willie Berkovitz
disappointing series, Extreme Justice (the Wonder Twins! The Legion of Doom!
Robot Grodd! Evil, Insane Brainwave Jr.! What were they thinking?). After
the story with Firestorm and before the Legion story, Monarch showed up and
said he was Captain Atom. He said that our Captain Atom was a (shudder)
"quantum clone". He helped Booster Gold and fought the team and that was
the end. Has DC picked up on this Monarch/Captain Atom thing? Are they
going to?
Willie Berkovitz
ber...@stargate.net
Erick King
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A.Patyk
Erick King wrote in message ...
>Monarch was Hawk of Hawk and Dove.
>
...But he was originally intended to be revealed as Captain Atom. Like the
original poster, I would like to know if the Captain Atom/Monarch plot has
been resolved or will be. Is Cap actually a clone? Could anything be
lamer...?
Michael Thomas Deeley
> With the new, disappointing L.A.W series, I thought back to yet another
> disappointing series, Extreme Justice (the Wonder Twins! The Legion of Doom!
> Robot Grodd! Evil, Insane Brainwave Jr.! What were they thinking?). After
> the story with Firestorm and before the Legion story, Monarch showed up and
> said he was Captain Atom. He said that our Captain Atom was a (shudder)
> "quantum clone". He helped Booster Gold and fought the team and that was
> the end. Has DC picked up on this Monarch/Captain Atom thing? Are they
> going to?
>
> Willie Berkovitz
> ber...@stargate.net
Here's a thought: It's been mentioned that in the Armageddon 2001 story,
Monarch's eyes change color. What if the following happened:
Captain Atom becomes Monarch.
Monarch clones/brainwashes Hawk in the future into thinking he's Monarch.
Cap-Monarch sends this fake Monarch back in time.
This is the Monarch that dies, turns the 1991 Hawk in "Monarch".
That "Monarch" becomes Extant in Zero Hour.
The original Monarch, the Cpatain Atom version, steals Extants time-warping
ability.
With this time-warping power, Cap-Monarch gives Waverider false and multiple
futures to see while on his mission in 1991.
Thus, the presence of teh Hawk-Monarch is explained, Captain Atom becomes
Monarch, and we still have a shot at Captain Atom going bad in the real year
2001.
Dan McEwen
>
> Monarch was Hawk of Hawk and Dove.
Actually, in EXTREME JUSTICE, Hawk turned his equipment over to the
"real" Nathaniel Adams. (Turns out that Captain Atom was a "quantum
clone", or some other bullshit.)
--
Dan #1617
"What's your point, YJK?"
Eric Payne
<suicide...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Willie Berkovitz wrote:
>
>> With the new, disappointing L.A.W series, I thought back to yet another
>> disappointing series, Extreme Justice (the Wonder Twins! The Legion of Doom!
>> Robot Grodd! Evil, Insane Brainwave Jr.! What were they thinking?). After
>> the story with Firestorm and before the Legion story, Monarch showed up and
>> said he was Captain Atom. He said that our Captain Atom was a (shudder)
>> "quantum clone". He helped Booster Gold and fought the team and that was
>> the end. Has DC picked up on this Monarch/Captain Atom thing? Are they
>> going to?
>>
>> Willie Berkovitz
>> ber...@stargate.net
>
>Here's a thought: It's been mentioned that in the Armageddon 2001 story,
>Monarch's eyes change color. What if the following happened:
>
>Captain Atom becomes Monarch.
>Monarch clones/brainwashes Hawk in the future into thinking he's Monarch.
>Cap-Monarch sends this fake Monarch back in time.
>This is the Monarch that dies, turns the 1991 Hawk in "Monarch".
>That "Monarch" becomes Extant in Zero Hour.
>The original Monarch, the Cpatain Atom version, steals Extants time-warping
>ability.
>With this time-warping power, Cap-Monarch gives Waverider false and multiple
>futures to see while on his mission in 1991.
When Armageddon was first conceived, Monarch was going to be Captain
Atom, but somehow that revelation made it out of DCs offices (gee,
perhaps because of the above mentioned story? Doesn't DC have editors
that should be looking for that sort of thing?).
At the last moment, a decision was made by DC... if everyone knew
Captain Atom was going to be Monarch, sales of the Armageddon
"revelation" issue wouldn't be nearly as high, so Captain Atom would
no longer become Monarch, and they chose another cancelled character,
namely Hawk.
Eric Payne
Livermore, CA
eternally
A.Patyk wrote:
> Erick King wrote in message ...
> >Monarch was Hawk of Hawk and Dove.
> >
>
> ...But he was originally intended to be revealed as Captain Atom. Like the
> original poster, I would like to know if the Captain Atom/Monarch plot has
> been resolved or will be. Is Cap actually a clone? Could anything be
> lamer...?
yes.....he could be an "evil twin" or hypertime duplicate.
-= e.
Rom...@bigfoot.com
>Here's a thought: It's been mentioned that in the Armageddon 2001
story, Monarch's eyes change color. What if the following happened:
> Captain Atom becomes Monarch.
> Monarch clones/brainwashes Hawk in the future into thinking he's
Monarch.
> Cap-Monarch sends this fake Monarch back in time.
> This is the Monarch that dies, turns the 1991 Hawk in "Monarch".
> That "Monarch" becomes Extant in Zero Hour.
> The original Monarch, the Cpatain Atom version, steals Extants
time-warping
> ability.
> With this time-warping power, Cap-Monarch gives Waverider false and
multiple
> futures to see while on his mission in 1991.
>
becomes
> Monarch, and we still have a shot at Captain Atom going bad in the
real year
> 2001.
>
would have been MUCH better if Capt. Atom had been Monarch. (I never
did understand how Hawk of all people could ever have that much power.
I was also said to see the new Hawk and Dove team book end but that is
another story.) I hope that the above story does prove true. Then
again, DC will see this and change things yet again.
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Bruce Grubb
<tit...@jps.net> wrote:
>When Armageddon was first conceived, Monarch was going to be Captain
>Atom, but somehow that revelation made it out of DCs offices (gee,
>perhaps because of the above mentioned story? Doesn't DC have editors
>that should be looking for that sort of thing?).
>
>At the last moment, a decision was made by DC... if everyone knew
>Captain Atom was going to be Monarch, sales of the Armageddon
>"revelation" issue wouldn't be nearly as high, so Captain Atom would
>no longer become Monarch, and they chose another cancelled character,
>namely Hawk.
Which made absolutely no sence as in the future Waverider saw for Hawk and
Dove they were fighting Monarch which if Hawk accually had been the 'real'
Monarch would have been imposible. Ergo Hawk could not have been the
Monarch of Waverider's timeline
Bruce Grubb
<crusa...@home.com> wrote:
>Monarch was Hawk of Hawk and Dove.
Which made absolutely no sence as in the future Waverider saw for Hawk and
Dove they were fighting Monarch which if Hawk accually had been the 'real'
Monarch would have been imposible. Ergo Hawk could not have been the
Monarch of Waverider's timeline and leave the question of who was the
Monarch of the future Waverider saw for Hawk and Dove?
Bruce Grubb
<djmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Erick King wrote:
>>
>> Monarch was Hawk of Hawk and Dove.
>
>Actually, in EXTREME JUSTICE, Hawk turned his equipment over to the
>"real" Nathaniel Adams. (Turns out that Captain Atom was a "quantum
>clone", or some other bullshit.)
Which made even less sence than the Hawk is Monarch revelation. Remember
that Monarch was a supposed to be a hero who went bad not a normal person
whose "quantum clone" was a hero. Just as Hawk could not be Monarch
because in the future was for Hawk and Dove they fought Monarch Nathaniel
Adams cannot be Monarch either: he doesn't fit the criteria.
Michael Thomas Deeley
> >
> >At the last moment, a decision was made by DC... if everyone knew
> >Captain Atom was going to be Monarch, sales of the Armageddon
> >"revelation" issue wouldn't be nearly as high, so Captain Atom would
> >no longer become Monarch, and they chose another cancelled character,
> >namely Hawk.
>
> Which made absolutely no sence as in the future Waverider saw for Hawk and
> Dove they were fighting Monarch which if Hawk accually had been the 'real'
> Monarch would have been imposible. Ergo Hawk could not have been the
> Monarch of Waverider's timeline
Dude, this is the THIRD time you've posted this message! IT's not that
important. This Monarch stuff has been going on for years. It's a mess,
it's a mistake, it'll never get fixed, DEAL WITH IT!!!!
Kryptonkid
was about an alternate crossover for 1994 that dealt with aspects from the
Armaggedon 2001, Eclipso, and Bloodlines crossovers. Monarch is prominitely
featured in the main Starman story by Joel Ellis Rea, the creator of
alt.sc.94. Here's the address for alt.showcase.94 in the archives:
http://www.fanzing.com/archives.htm#altsc94
--
Benjamin Grose, a.k.a. Kryptonkid
krypt...@bigfoot.com
http://www.bigfoot.com/~kryptonkid
Larry: "Bob, I don't have any handths!"
RMorris306
Erick King wrote in message ...
>
...But he was originally intended to be revealed as Captain Atom. Like the
original poster, I would like to know if the Captain Atom/Monarch plot has
been resolved or will be. >>
Right, and Emerald Twilight was originally intended to feature the return of
the Zamarons...and the H.I.V.E. was supposed to be led by a cartel of seven
criminal scientists from old DC series...and Mike Tempest was originally
intended to be the leader of the Secret Six, etc. etc.
Isn't it hard enough to keep track of the stories DC DOES publish without
concerning ourselves with the stories it considers and ultimately rejects?
Rich
(who admits that Hawk as Monarch makes no sense...nor, for that matter, would
Captain Atom as Monarch. Did someone just have it in for Steve Ditko
co-creations that year?)
Dan McEwen
> I must have missed the Captain Atom story floating around. The story
> would have been MUCH better if Capt. Atom had been Monarch. (I never
> did understand how Hawk of all people could ever have that much power.
> I was also said to see the new Hawk and Dove team book end but that is
> another story.) I hope that the above story does prove true. Then
> again, DC will see this and change things yet again.
It wasn't the power levels that were the problem (they were tech). The
problem was that Hank Hall had the tech. Yeah, I know it's "explained"
by future-Monarch giving the armor to Hank, but I find that extremely
lame. Someone had to build it, and Hank Hall couldn't possibly be that
person.
Also, Hank's instant craziness following Dove's death was a little too
sudden. Hank handled the death of his brother much better, and never
went over into actual villain-hood. He was just an aggressive fighter.
Bruce Grubb
<djmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
The final straw as it were was the future that Waverider saw for Hawk and
Dove which bluntly would have been impossible if Hawk had been Monarch.
The fact of he manner the general consensis is the change from Captain
Atom to Hawk being Monarch was dumb and efforts to fix the problem just
bring up just how dumb the initial choise had been.
As it is now we have a non superhero being Monarch, no explination of how
Hawk and Dove could have been fighting Monarch in the future seen for
them, and why Monarch's eye were one color and suddenly changed. In short
we have a mess.
Lynch
being a lord of balance or whatever? That his sudden craziness was due to
Dove's death which added "order" to his chaos? Not that this excuses
anything, just wondering if it went something like that or not.
Bruce Grubb
<lly...@cableone.net> wrote:
They tried to this but it still didn't explain all the inconsitancies in
Armegeddon 2001: Monarch's eye originally being blue and how Dove could be
'dead' when neither she or Hawk were even human anymore (being pure energy
beings). The effort to try and clean up the whole Armegeddon 2001 mess
just served to complicate things (much like the efforts to explain themess
Hawkman got into).
Jeremy B
(Bruce Grubb) writes:
>They tried to this but it still didn't explain all the inconsitancies in
>Armegeddon 2001: Monarch's eye originally being blue
"You FOOL! All this time you were looking for a blue-eyed man, never
suspecting that I was wearing tinted contacts the whole time! BWAH-HA-
HA-HA-HA-HA!"
Jeremy B
"Oh, to be young again. And also a robot." -- Prof. Hubert Farnsworth
WWBBD?
Mark
>> would have been MUCH better if Capt. Atom had been Monarch. >>
This may have been mentioned before, but Captain Atom was supposed to be
Monarch right from the start but someone leaked the info so DC did a last
minute, idiotic change to Hawk. I found it especially galling as the H&D
characters had a happy ending in the final issue of their series. Nevermind
that the last issue of H&D came out a month AFTER A2001 #2, as well...
Bruce Grubb
kryt...@aol.comih8spam (Jeremy B) wrote:
>In article <bgrubb-1410...@lc0519.zianet.com>, bgr...@zianet.com
>(Bruce Grubb) writes:
>
>>They tried to this but it still didn't explain all the inconsitancies in
>>Armegeddon 2001: Monarch's eye originally being blue
>
>"You FOOL! All this time you were looking for a blue-eyed man, never
>suspecting that I was wearing tinted contacts the whole time!
There are no tinted contacts that will turn brown eyes blue because in
CMYB blue is a mixture of cyan and megenta while brown is a mixture of
cyan, megenta, yellow and black.
Patrick Thompson
news:bgrubb-1510...@lc0062.zianet.com...
Not true. There was a black girl in my AP Bio class in high school who wore
blue colored contacts a couple times. Her eyes were naturally very dark
brown, and with the contacts they looked blue--in fact, unnaturally blue.
It is possible to do just about any color with colored contacts--notice all
the freaky eyes in recent pop culture, including Darth Maul and several
recent musicians who wear patterned contacts for stylistic effect. And, if
we can do it in this world, how easy must funky contacts be in a world with
super-duper comic-book tech?