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Syvyn11

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Feb 5, 2010, 2:38:48 PM2/5/10
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A preview of tonight's CN's Batman: The Brave and The Bold. where slacker
science teacher Ronnie merges with super genius student Jason to form the
reluctant hero 'Firestorm'.

So post Blackest Night/Brightest Day a bunch of heroes come back through the
White Lanterns (supposedly). Will this be the way they launch a new
Firestorm comic, with Jason still in charge, but Ronnie taking over the
Martin Stein role?

BLACKMYSTECH RANGER

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Feb 5, 2010, 8:07:46 PM2/5/10
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Is this how they are going to 'fix' Firestorm post Blackest Night?

Group: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe Date: Fri, Feb 5, 2010, 2:38pm
(CST+1) From: robhor...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11)

Yep that how it sounds right now! But better solution is to merge Ronald
Raymond, that russian guy was for awhile part of FireStorm, that clone
of FireStorm, FireElemental, Martin Stein, that black guy that was part
of him for short short peroid, in the Eden storyline, and FireHawk, and
the other people who were short peroid fused with FireStorm, and make
the all new FireStorm!

Time to be evil!!
Let's Rock!!!
Kitty Pryde/ShadowCat is HOT!!!
Badness is cool!!!

Michael

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Feb 5, 2010, 10:55:54 PM2/5/10
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Why is that a better solution?

Michael

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Because two guys fusing is going to invite unwelcome insinuations about
their sexuality, perhaps?

Just the term "two guys fusing..." is going to be pretty bad, IMO

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Syvyn11

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"Michael" <this...@for.rent> wrote in message
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It's not, Blackmystech ranger is a fucking idiot!

grinningdemon

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On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:55:54 -0800, Michael <this...@for.rent>
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Because Ranger is obssessed with merging different versions of
characters together and that kind of thing is already built in with
Firestorm...it must be his ideal character.

BLACKMYSTECH RANGER

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Re: Is this how they are going to 'fix' Firestorm post Blackest Night?

Group: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe Date: Sat, Feb 6, 2010, 12:22am From:
grinni...@austin.rr.com (grinningdemon)

All I am saying is make a more complete FireStrom look at who in it or
was that girl that Jason Rausch likes, Martin Stein, Ronald Raymond,
FireHawk, that russian guy, FireElemental, the Clone of FireStorm, add
to it ShadowStorm, that black guy from the Eden storyline, and the
others that were part of him, all I am suggesting is make a new
FireStorm that has the qualities of each, and giving him 2 forms, one be
similar to his FireStorm form he had originally, and other would be the
Elemental one! In other words have them become more completed one!

Michael

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Feb 6, 2010, 8:26:13 AM2/6/10
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BLACKMYSTECH RANGER wrote:

If it's to make a "more complete" Firestorm, shouldn't the different
versions (or looks/costumes) of Firestorm merge into a new one?

Too many voices in the head of whoever's gonna act as the main body.
It'll be like a bad political and/or corporate board meeting!

Michael

BLACKMYSTECH RANGER

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Re: Is this how they are going to 'fix' Firestorm post Blackest Night?

Group: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe Date: Sat, Feb 6, 2010, 5:26am
(CST-2) From: this...@for.rent (Michael)

No not if they do a complete Group Mind!

plausible prose man

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On Feb 5, 8:07 pm, SUPREMERAN...@webtv.net (BLACKMYSTECH RANGER)
wrote:

> Is this how they are going to 'fix' Firestorm post Blackest Night?  
>
> Group: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe Date: Fri, Feb 5, 2010, 2:38pm
> (CST+1) From: robhorine...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11)http://feeds.newsarama.com/~r/newsaramacomics/~3/SoZzWbWYtOE/player.php

> A preview of tonight's CN's Batman: The Brave and The Bold.   where
> slacker science teacher Ronnie merges with super genius student Jason to
> form the reluctant hero 'Firestorm'.
> So post Blackest Night/Brightest Day a bunch of heroes come back through
> the White Lanterns (supposedly).   Will this be the way they launch a
> new Firestorm comic, with Jason still in charge, but Ronnie taking over
> the Martin Stein role?
>
> Yep that how it sounds right now! But better solution is to merge Ronald
> Raymond, that russian guy was for awhile part of FireStorm, that clone
> of FireStorm, FireElemental, Martin Stein, that black guy that was part
> of him for short short peroid, in the Eden storyline, and FireHawk, and
> the other people who were short peroid fused with FireStorm, and make
> the all new FireStorm!

That sounds amazingly terrible, actually. I tell you what, instead of
ultimate power-ups, why don't you come up with unsolved mysteries that
could extend across storylines for 6-24 issues.

YKW (ad hoc)

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Feb 6, 2010, 11:33:48 AM2/6/10
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Michael <this...@for.rent> wrote in news:36ebn.403$JE2.398
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> If it's to make a "more complete" Firestorm, shouldn't the different
> versions (or looks/costumes) of Firestorm merge into a new one?

The puffy sleeves on the original have already merged with the outfit
Jason first manifested in. And the less influence that nightmare outfit
the elemental sported has on the 'Storm look, the better.

> Too many voices in the head of whoever's gonna act as the main body.
> It'll be like a bad political and/or corporate board meeting!

It could be the HERMAN'S HEAD of comics. But in a good way. (If that's
possible.)

However, it isn't as if we haven't seen things like this before, with
multiple minds time-sharing in a single body, responding to whichever
aspect happens to be rocking the mic at any given moment. And it -was-
hinted at during the OYL arc that all previous occupants have left a bit
of themselves behind in the matrix which could, conceivably, be tapped.

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YKW (ad hoc) wrote:

> Michael <this...@for.rent> wrote in news:36ebn.403$JE2.398
> @newsfe09.iad:
>
>
>>If it's to make a "more complete" Firestorm, shouldn't the different
>>versions (or looks/costumes) of Firestorm merge into a new one?
>
>
> The puffy sleeves on the original have already merged with the outfit
> Jason first manifested in. And the less influence that nightmare outfit
> the elemental sported has on the 'Storm look, the better.

True. That look really sucked.

>>Too many voices in the head of whoever's gonna act as the main body.
>>It'll be like a bad political and/or corporate board meeting!
>
>
> It could be the HERMAN'S HEAD of comics. But in a good way. (If that's
> possible.)
>
> However, it isn't as if we haven't seen things like this before, with
> multiple minds time-sharing in a single body, responding to whichever
> aspect happens to be rocking the mic at any given moment. And it -was-
> hinted at during the OYL arc that all previous occupants have left a bit
> of themselves behind in the matrix which could, conceivably, be tapped.

It still sounds like too many voices in someone's head to me.

Michael

Michael

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BLACKMYSTECH RANGER wrote:

The nature of Firestorm (maybe not the elemental, but I'm not familiar
with that) has always been one mind in the driver's seat and one mind in
the back seat. Anything else will fundamaentally change the character
in a way tat may not be good for the character, may not be received
well, and won't result in a power increase.

Michael

grinningdemon

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Feb 6, 2010, 12:22:12 PM2/6/10
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On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 09:07:38 -0800, Michael <this...@for.rent>
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When was Firestorm ever really received well?

Scott Eiler

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Feb 6, 2010, 12:26:31 PM2/6/10
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On Feb 6, 11:07 am, Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote:

> BLACKMYSTECH RANGER wrote:
>
> > > Too many voices in the head of whoever's gonna act as the main body.
> > > It'll be like a bad political and/or corporate board meeting!
> > > Michael
>
> > No not if they do a complete Group Mind!
>
> The nature of Firestorm (maybe not the elemental, but I'm not familiar
> with that) has always been one mind in the driver's seat and one mind in
> the back seat. Anything else will fundamentally change the character
> in a way that may not be good for the character, may not be received

> well, and won't result in a power increase.

... Hey, that's right! This is character development, not ultimate
power. It may or may not work, but still... nice proposal, Ranger!

Syvyn11

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Feb 6, 2010, 4:37:09 PM2/6/10
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"Michael" <this...@for.rent> wrote in message

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Ranger is just a idiot who couldn't write a fourth grade term paper, let
alone a comic book.

Shag

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> >The nature of Firestorm (maybe not the elemental, but I'm not familiar
> >with that) has always been one mind in the driver's seat and one mind in
> >the back seat.  Anything else will fundamaentally change the character
> >in a way tat may not be good for the character, may not be received
> >well, and won't result in a power increase.
>
> >Michael
>
> When was Firestorm ever really received well?


Michael - Agreed. One person in control of the body and one person as
the on-board adviser is the "classic" approach. If they want to
appeal to previous Firestorm fans, they should use that model.

Grinningdemon - Firestorm was actually one of DC's up-and-coming
characters in the early 80s. His sales were strong and the marketing
(Super Powers figure) sold very well.


I enjoyed the Batman: Brave and the Bold version of Firestorm for the
purposes of the cartoon, but it also made me realize Jason doesn't
need Ronnie. If Jason had been more timid, I could see how the more
aggressive Ronnie would be of benefit. Since Jason didn't really seem
to have any fear (and he already had the chemistry knowledge), I'm not
sure what Ronnie brought to the matrix. This same logic might apply to
the comics too.

Now I'm left wondering what the ideal matrix would be after Blackest
Night. Maybe Ronnie in control of the body with Jason as the adviser?
That works, but doesn't seem fair to Jason who has earned his play at
the JLA table.


The Irredeemable Shag
http://firestormfan.com - The Source for DC Comics' Nuclear Man -
Firestorm!

Syvyn11

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Today a bunch of comic geeks talked about how to handle a Firestorm of
Ronnie and Jason. It would be simple. In my rules, whoever starts the
merge is in control. Ronnie merges, he is in control. Jason merges, Jason
is in control. Have different variations of the costumes and different
applications of powers. Say Ronnie's costume is more of the classic
version, but with solid red pants than the yellow trunks. Jason's is the
one he has been using. In powers, both have transmuting powers, but Ronnie
can absorbed radiation and alter his density (either making himself
intangible or really dense). Jason can read the molecular structure of
objects.

Also, you have experience. Ronnie has that. While Jason brings the science
knowledge. Say there is a chemical leak. Jason would be in charge of
that. Another time Killer Frost is running loose, Ronnie has the
experience and could do things that Jason wouldn't think of while battling a
super villain.

They were intrigued. Maybe I should be a comic writer.

grinningdemon

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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:15:44 -0800 (PST), Shag <sh...@matthewsland.com>
wrote:

>> >The nature of Firestorm (maybe not the elemental, but I'm not familiar
>> >with that) has always been one mind in the driver's seat and one mind in
>> >the back seat. �Anything else will fundamaentally change the character
>> >in a way tat may not be good for the character, may not be received
>> >well, and won't result in a power increase.
>>
>> >Michael
>>
>> When was Firestorm ever really received well?
>
>
>Michael - Agreed. One person in control of the body and one person as
>the on-board adviser is the "classic" approach. If they want to
>appeal to previous Firestorm fans, they should use that model.
>
>Grinningdemon - Firestorm was actually one of DC's up-and-coming
>characters in the early 80s. His sales were strong and the marketing
>(Super Powers figure) sold very well.

But the book still died and has never seen a successful
relaunch...hell, the first Firestorm book only went like 5 issues,
didn't it?

Personally, I don't really care what they do with Firestorm as long as
they keep him out of books that I actually care about.

OM

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On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:53:50 -0600, grinningdemon
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>
>But the book still died and has never seen a successful
>relaunch...

...Because the relaunch wasn't what the fans wanted. They wanted the
Ronnie/Stein Firestorm, not the Thugstorm that was foisted on them.
Granted, he was the only character who actually was *improved* after
OYL, but it was too little too late.

>hell, the first Firestorm book only went like 5 issues,
>didn't it?

...Sales were a bit better than decent, and well above -normal-
cancellation levels. Keep in mind that v1 of "Firestorm" was killed in
mid-stride not by bad sales, but by poor judgment on the part of DC's
beancounters when almost half the books were canned in the "DC
Implosion". Sales were actually improving over the short run that once
Jeanette Kahn got a better grip on running DC and those same
beancounters had been sent packing for having screwed with the comic
line right in the middle of the promotional push for "Superman I", the
first title relaunched out of all the "Imploded" books was
"Firestorm". V2 ran for 100 issues, and was cancelled due to low sales
caused by a rather stupid revamping of the character into a "Fire
Elemental"; a move made according to all sources in an attempt to
distance Firestorm from being perceived as a "Pro-Nuke" character in
an era when being "Anti-Nuke" was chic.


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OM

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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:28:38 -0500, "Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Today a bunch of comic geeks talked about how to handle a Firestorm of
>Ronnie and Jason.

...The answer's simpler than that: just put things back to Ronnie and
the Professor, make Jason either a supporting character or send him
packing back to the 'hood, and remember the golden rule that states
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" as the rule DC should abide by.

OM

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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:28:38 -0500, "Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Maybe I should be a comic writer.

...The sad part is that the track record of fans becoming pros isn't
all that great. Mark Waid started out good, but in the past five years
has become one of the most pathetic hacks in the industry. The
Bierbaums started the two decades of ruination that the Legion went
through with their Five-Year Crap, and they started out as a couple of
self-professed Big Name Fans in one of the Legion APAs. Chuck Beckum
had a pull list of something like 120 titles a month before he became
Chuckles Austen, and his crap record speaks for itself. Jeph Loeb has
admitted in interviews that he was a big comics fan growing up, and
he's a card-carrying member of the Hack Pack.

Not saying a fan can't become a pro, but being a fan does *not*
automatically mean you've got a jumpstart on the experience and talent
necessary to be a successful comic book writer.

OM

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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:37:09 -0500, "Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Ranger is just a idiot who couldn't write a fourth grade term paper, let
>alone a comic book.

...He's just a fuckwit troll who, until some way is found to have him
banned from usenet(*), just needs to be killfiled and left to rot in
Killfile Hell with the rest of the trolling trash.

(*) Yes, I know. Unless you've been slapped with a DMCA notice, or you
get caught pushing kiddie pr0n, or enough people actually make a phone
call to complain about a neo-Nazi's postings directly to the troll's
ISP, it's virtually impossible to get someone banned from usenet these
days. And even then in most cases they'll just go find a new ISP and
start all over again. But one can always hope, right?

Kenneth M. Lin

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"Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It might work except that Ronnie was a jock and didn't finish college.

Tim Turnip

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On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:53:50 -0600, grinningdemon
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:15:44 -0800 (PST), Shag <sh...@matthewsland.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> >The nature of Firestorm (maybe not the elemental, but I'm not familiar
>>> >with that) has always been one mind in the driver's seat and one mind in
>>> >the back seat. �Anything else will fundamaentally change the character
>>> >in a way tat may not be good for the character, may not be received
>>> >well, and won't result in a power increase.
>>>
>>> >Michael
>>>
>>> When was Firestorm ever really received well?
>>
>>
>>Michael - Agreed. One person in control of the body and one person as
>>the on-board adviser is the "classic" approach. If they want to
>>appeal to previous Firestorm fans, they should use that model.
>>
>>Grinningdemon - Firestorm was actually one of DC's up-and-coming
>>characters in the early 80s. His sales were strong and the marketing
>>(Super Powers figure) sold very well.
>
>But the book still died and has never seen a successful
>relaunch...hell, the first Firestorm book only went like 5 issues,
>didn't it?

The first series was caught up in the DC Implosion like numerous other
titles; we don't know how successful it would have been under normal
conditions.

The second series, the '80s series, was an indisputable success. It
"died" after a healthy run of 100 issues (8+ years), one of the very
few series introduced in the '80s to make it that far (I think Swamp
Thing, Hellblazer and New Teen Titans were the only others, not
counting reboots of other already-long-running series').

Syvyn11

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"Kenneth M. Lin" <kennet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Jason has the science knowledge, but Ronnie has the experience that Jason
doesn't. Despite being a member of this JLA, Jason wasn't much respected.
This solution solves two problems. It give this Firestorm a bit more
credibility among the hero community since they do know Ronnie Raymond.
And it give readers a little of what they want, while DC can still give
Jason a chance.

>

BLACKMYSTECH RANGER

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Re: Is this how they are going to 'fix' Firestorm post Blackest Night?

Group: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe Date: Sun, Feb 7, 2010, 12:46pm
(CST+1) From: robhor...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11)

That why I suggested put everyone that was part of FireStorm, put back
in, it would make FireStorm more complete!

Michael

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Feb 7, 2010, 6:21:17 PM2/7/10
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grinningdemon wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:15:44 -0800 (PST), Shag <sh...@matthewsland.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>The nature of Firestorm (maybe not the elemental, but I'm not familiar
>>>>with that) has always been one mind in the driver's seat and one mind in
>>>>the back seat. Anything else will fundamaentally change the character
>>>>in a way tat may not be good for the character, may not be received
>>>>well, and won't result in a power increase.
>>>
>>>>Michael
>>>
>>>When was Firestorm ever really received well?
>>
>>
>>Michael - Agreed. One person in control of the body and one person as
>>the on-board adviser is the "classic" approach. If they want to
>>appeal to previous Firestorm fans, they should use that model.
>>
>>Grinningdemon - Firestorm was actually one of DC's up-and-coming
>>characters in the early 80s. His sales were strong and the marketing
>>(Super Powers figure) sold very well.
>
>
> But the book still died and has never seen a successful
> relaunch...hell, the first Firestorm book only went like 5 issues,
> didn't it?

The very first run of Firestorm in '78 (I think) went something like 5
issues. The restarted title in the early 80s went something liek 100-plus.

Michael

Syvyn11

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"BLACKMYSTECH RANGER" <SUPREM...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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And this is just like all your other ideas, STUPID AS HELL AND UNWORKABLE!

NOW GO AWAY, TARD!

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