LSH: AOL Chats for 2/16/99 & 2/18/99: McCraw, Moy & Giffen

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Alex Tam

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Tom McCraw (LSH/L* co-plotter/colorist), Jeff Moy (L* penciller), and
Keith Giffen (former LSH writer/artist) were the guests on America Online's
Legion of Super-Heroes Chat for Tuesday, February 16, 1999. Tom and Jeff
also attended Legionnaires Chat for Thursday, February 18, 1999. Legion of
Super-Heroes Chat takes place every Tuesday in the DC Comics Online area of
AOL at 6:00 PM EST. Legionnaires Chat is held every Thursday in the same
area at 10:00 PM EST. (Keyword: CHAT DC.) Regular guests include Tom
McCraw, Jeff Moy, Ron Boyd and Mike McAvennie.

DISCLAIMER: I can't guarantee the reliability of this report. Essentially,
the Legion chats involve about fifteen fans shouting repeated questions to
the creators. The creators are sometimes unable to answer questions
thoroughly or clarify their responses. As a result, misinterpretations may
occur on my part.

SPOILERS: Information that spoils current or upcoming issues is found
toward the end of this report. There's no spoiler space to separate such
info from the more general comments.

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A BIG THANKS: To James Schee for logging Tuesday's chat.

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Keith Giffen, former LSH writer and artist, showed up on Tuesday without
knowing it was Legion Chat. He stayed for a while and answered plenty of
questions.

Keith was burnt out from drawing the Legion books' typical cast of
thousands, but thought the team in LSH #1,000,000 seemed easy to draw.

Keith hates Hypertime, saying it was an "excuse for lazy storytelling."
Jeff called it a "cop-out," and Tom predicts it'll be "overused."

His favorite project was THE HECKLER, but he doesn't think it would be
feasible for a revival.

The preboot LSH v4 is what he described as "the one story I wish I could
have finished up right." The young Batch SW6 would be the real Legion,
while the adults would be revealed as clones. He said the "hat trick"
rumor is "dead on true": that's where the writers would randomly select
some characters (as if drawn from a hat) to die in a massive battle between
the old and young teams. The senior team would then leave United Planets
space, and call themselves THE OMEGA MEN in their own book.

Jeff will draw the cover to L* #74, which he called an "aftermath issue."
He wouldn't say if it would have any dead people on it.

Rond Vidar won't become a Green Lantern, and besides, the Legion books have
no control over Green Lanterns showing up in the 30th Century. Tom noted
that generally, a Green Lantern couldn't become a Legionnaire, as the
Legion doesn't allow members whose only powers are artificial.

Thunder isn't excluded, because her lightning bolt is more of an activator
for her power than a power itself. But because the Rock of Eternity is
destroyed, she most likely can't switch back to powerless form. Toms
McCraw & Peyer haven't decided that for sure, though. They also don't know
yet what would happen if she said the magic words.

LSH SECRET FILES #2 will contain most of the Legion constitution.

Sensor will have to be freed up from the LSH book, at least temporarily, so
she can participate in the Super-Pets story in L*.

The Legion Academy will reopen; Tom said the members might include newly
rebooted characters. No plans yet for a Legion Academy mini-series or
special.

Tom hasn't heard any confirmation on a second set of Legion PVC figures.
However, he knows that the first Justice Society of America set will
contain Dr. Mid-Nite, Hourman, Sandman, Starman, Johnny Thunder, Wildcat,
and Ma Hunkle, the original Red Tornado. No, really.

Keith would like to work with the current version of the Legion, but only
for a mini-series or special. The characters he'd most want to use would
be the ones who were around for his run. But first, it's quite likely that
he and popular LSH writer Paul Levitz might return together to the Legion
for a one-shot in LEGENDS OF THE DCU.


-- Alex Tam
gol...@intergate.bc.ca; Nachro2 on AOL


Grant S. Doig

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Some spoilers


1999


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Keith Giffen, former LSH writer and artist, showed up on Tuesday without
>knowing it was Legion Chat. He stayed for a while and answered plenty of
>questions.
>
>Keith was burnt out from drawing the Legion books' typical cast of
>thousands, but thought the team in LSH #1,000,000 seemed easy to draw.
>
>Keith hates Hypertime, saying it was an "excuse for lazy storytelling."
>Jeff called it a "cop-out," and Tom predicts it'll be "overused."
>


No, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel :)

>
>The preboot LSH v4 is what he described as "the one story I wish I could
>have finished up right." The young Batch SW6 would be the real Legion,
>while the adults would be revealed as clones. He said the "hat trick"
>rumor is "dead on true": that's where the writers would randomly select
>some characters (as if drawn from a hat) to die in a massive battle between
>the old and young teams. The senior team would then leave United Planets
>space, and call themselves THE OMEGA MEN in their own book.

Hm......slightly better than the mixed SW6/Adults team rumour but still
pretty dire. I can't see myself having bought Omega Men.

>
>Jeff will draw the cover to L* #74, which he called an "aftermath issue."
>He wouldn't say if it would have any dead people on it.
>
>Rond Vidar won't become a Green Lantern, and besides, the Legion books have
>no control over Green Lanterns showing up in the 30th Century. Tom noted
>that generally, a Green Lantern couldn't become a Legionnaire, as the
>Legion doesn't allow members whose only powers are artificial.
>

Boo!


>Thunder isn't excluded, because her lightning bolt is more of an activator
>for her power than a power itself. But because the Rock of Eternity is
>destroyed, she most likely can't switch back to powerless form. Toms
>McCraw & Peyer haven't decided that for sure, though. They also don't know
>yet what would happen if she said the magic words.
>

If only being a terribly written, uninteresting character was enough to get
you excluded from the LSH.

>LSH SECRET FILES #2 will contain most of the Legion constitution.
>

How about some worthwhile stories?

>Sensor will have to be freed up from the LSH book, at least temporarily, so
>she can participate in the Super-Pets story in L*.
>
>The Legion Academy will reopen; Tom said the members might include newly
>rebooted characters. No plans yet for a Legion Academy mini-series or
>special.
>
>Tom hasn't heard any confirmation on a second set of Legion PVC figures.
>However, he knows that the first Justice Society of America set will
>contain Dr. Mid-Nite, Hourman, Sandman, Starman, Johnny Thunder, Wildcat,
>and Ma Hunkle, the original Red Tornado. No, really.


What, no Kal-L, Batman, Dr Fate, Hawkman, Wonder Woman, Spectre or Flash?

>
>Keith would like to work with the current version of the Legion, but only
>for a mini-series or special. The characters he'd most want to use would
>be the ones who were around for his run.

Could be interesting............

But first, it's quite likely that
>he and popular LSH writer Paul Levitz might return together to the Legion
>for a one-shot in LEGENDS OF THE DCU.
>
>

This would be the first new Legion book I'd have bought in a while if it
comes about.

>-- Alex Tam
>gol...@intergate.bc.ca; Nachro2 on AOL
>

--
GSD
-----------------
Initial effects of Hypertime #1:

Retroactively turning Mike Zeck's art in Kingdom #2 into John Bogdanove's
childish scribblings.
Somewhere in Hypertime are the real pencils to Kingdom # 2........


John Northey

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Alex Tam gol...@intergate.bc.ca wrote...

>Keith would like to work with the current version of the Legion, but only
>for a mini-series or special. The characters he'd most want to use would
>be the ones who were around for his run.

I'd love to see this. I just hope he would go for a non-Kirby style,
as I enjoy Giffen as Giffen more than Giffen as Kirby.

> But first, it's quite likely that
> he and popular LSH writer Paul Levitz might return together to the Legion
> for a one-shot in LEGENDS OF THE DCU.

Wow, I can hear birds singing, the sun is shining, all is right with
the world. First the real Superboy returns, now this.

Only one problem... can it possibly live up to the hype (well, the
hype all of us will give it)? It is much like John Byrne not really
wanting to return to the Fantastic Four, how the heck do you live up
to the expectations that have built due to a strong run over a decade
ago? (wow, it has been over 10 years since we last saw Levitz/Giffen)

Also gets me thinking about what we had in the 80's...
Legion: Levitz/Giffen
Teen Titans: Wolfman/Perez
Fantastic Four: Byrne at his best, followed by...
Superman: Byrne doing some of the best Superman outside of Moore
Thor: Simonson
Batman Dark Knight Returns & Year One: Millar (natch)
Wonder Woman: Perez

Wow, we did see some top talents define those major characters.
In the 90's we've seen...
Legion: TMK & reboot teams
Teen Titans: jump started more times than a 20 year old car
Fantastic Four: Ugh, what a lost decade
Superman: Jurgens killing him, Kent, wedding, red/blue, ...
Thor: Restarted by Romita Jr
Batman: No Mans Land, nuff said
Wonder Woman: Made into a bad-girl book by Deodato (sp?) then given
a clone by Byrne

Lets hope the 00's are a bit better for all of the above after this
decade of 'big events' that turned into big flops (for the industry
overall).


John Northey.
Crazy Canadian and creator of the Fans of Teri Sue Wood site.
http://www.sentex.net/~jnorthey/TSW

Carsda

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Feb 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/21/99
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>The preboot LSH v4 is what he described as "the one story I wish I could
>have finished up right." The young Batch SW6 would be the real Legion,
>while the adults would be revealed as clones. He said the "hat trick"
>rumor is "dead on true": that's where the writers would randomly select
>some characters (as if drawn from a hat) to die in a massive battle between
>the old and young teams. The senior team would then leave United Planets
>space, and call themselves THE OMEGA MEN in their own book.

i believe he said the various characters from the 2 teams would die in a big
battle--but he never said against each other.

i also wonder if they did the hat trick thing when they were planning which
SW6ers to kill when Projectra, Karate Kid, and Chameleon died....?

Dale Hicks

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John Northey <jnor...@SPAMISEVILsentex.net> wrote in article <36d15982...@news.sentex.net>...

> Also gets me thinking about what we had in the 80's...
> Batman Dark Knight Returns & Year One: Millar (natch)

I thought Miller would be more of a natural. :)

--
Cranial Crusader dhi...@gibralter.net

Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to s

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On 21 Feb 1999 15:15:53 GMT, Alex Tam <gol...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:

>The preboot LSH v4 is what he described as "the one story I wish I could
>have finished up right." The young Batch SW6 would be the real Legion,
>while the adults would be revealed as clones. He said the "hat trick"
>rumor is "dead on true": that's where the writers would randomly select
>some characters (as if drawn from a hat) to die in a massive battle between
>the old and young teams. The senior team would then leave United Planets
>space, and call themselves THE OMEGA MEN in their own book.

Can you repost Keith's exact words here, for the record (and for the FAQ)? That
way we can see if it was a battle "between" the two teams or a battle with the
two teams on the same side.

--
Michael R. Grabois | http://chili.cjb.net
Houston, TX | $pac...@wt.net (change $ to "s")
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Michael Long

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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The article stated that the battle would be "between" the two teams
with the survivors/dead selected randomly out of a hat("hat trick")
MBLong

Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to "s" <$pac...@wt.net> wrote in message
<36dcecf1....@news4.wt.net>...


>On 21 Feb 1999 15:15:53 GMT, Alex Tam <gol...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
>
>>The preboot LSH v4 is what he described as "the one story I wish I could
>>have finished up right." >

fette...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <3.0.1.32.1999021...@pop.intergate.bc.ca>,
Alex Tam <gol...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:

Let's compare two statements, shall we?

-snip-


>
> Keith hates Hypertime, saying it was an "excuse for lazy storytelling."
> Jeff called it a "cop-out," and Tom predicts it'll be "overused."
>

-snip-


>
> The preboot LSH v4 is what he described as "the one story I wish I could

> have finished up right." The young Batch SW6 would be the real Legion,
> while the adults would be revealed as clones. He said the "hat trick"
> rumor is "dead on true": that's where the writers would randomly select
> some characters (as if drawn from a hat) to die in a massive battle between
> the old and young teams. The senior team would then leave United Planets
> space, and call themselves THE OMEGA MEN in their own book.
>

I'm sorry, but Hypertime is an excuse for lazy storytelling, while randomly
selecting fates for characters is a brilliant narrative device? Come on, Mr.
Giffen, that's about as hypocritical as it comes. I know some Legion fans
worship the ground he walks on, but I'm glad Giffen's not working on ANY of
the books I currently read.

Dave

"Optimism is the faith that leads to acheivement. Nothing can be done
without hope and confidence." -Helen Keller

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Michael Long

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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Let's see-you're glad Giffen is not working on anything you currently
read,and since you are in this NG I assume you read LSH and
Legionaires.Now,can you honestly say this poor substitute rebooted Legion is
good story telling? Hell! Most of the stories are just rehashed variations
of the original,the characters are weak or lame(Element Lad and Lori for
example) and the whole shebang has the look and feel of a "Kiddie Toon".
It has improved some since the beginning,and a few characters are well
done,but others are lost in the crowd
some of the stories seemed rushed or go on too long and there is very little
originality.The only reason I stick with it is it's the only one we have-and
maybe,just maybe someday the Gods will see fit to bring the Legion back to
it's glory days.This version of LSH,will never acheive the same quality and
feel of the Versions that came before.
MBLong

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fette...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <7as17j$4...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>,

"Michael Long" <mbl...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Let's see-you're glad Giffen is not working on anything you currently
> read,and since you are in this NG I assume you read LSH and
> Legionaires.Now,can you honestly say this poor substitute rebooted Legion is
> good story telling? Hell! Most of the stories are just rehashed variations
> of the original,the characters are weak or lame(Element Lad and Lori for
> example) and the whole shebang has the look and feel of a "Kiddie Toon".
> It has improved some since the beginning,and a few characters are well
> done,but others are lost in the crowd
> some of the stories seemed rushed or go on too long and there is very little
> originality.The only reason I stick with it is it's the only one we have-and
> maybe,just maybe someday the Gods will see fit to bring the Legion back to
> it's glory days.This version of LSH,will never acheive the same quality and
> feel of the Versions that came before.
> MBLong

(I've omitted my original post, in which I expressed displeasure with Keith
Giffen's storytelling ability.)

We could go tit-for-tat on the subject of "What era of Legion comics is the
best?", but I'd rather do that over some Woodpecker cider in a quiet bar
somewhere. Instead, I'll state what I think are the options available to a
fan of the Legion of Super-Heroes given the current state of the books as of
March, 1999:

1. Ignore the current version. Go back and re-read the archives, or back
issues of Levitz & Giffen, or TMK, or whatever. But be honest, and
acknowledge that in all likelihood none of those versions will be starring in
the ongoing series any time soon.

2. Read the current issues. If you like them, great. If (like me) you feel
that while this version is good, the storytelling has faltered, get vocal and
tell DC that.

I love re-reading past versions of characters, not just the Legion. I also
realize that as the average comic fan is getting older, rebooting the Legion
from an adult to a teenage team might seem counerintuitive. But that's what
we've got, so let's make the most of it. I'll keep yelling (and hoping) that
the creative teams begin a progressive "maturing" of the Legion, so that in a
few (3 or 4) years we've got a group of twentysomethings. I'm 26 now, so I'm
solidly in the TITANS demographic, rather than YOUNG JUSTICE.

All this has gotten my blood boiling again. I think I'll go write another
letter to DC about this. Who knows, maybe this time it'll accomplish
something.

Michael Long

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Go for it! And I'd be glad to be able to sit in a bar and talk LSH
anytime. :)
MBLong

fette...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7ascn9$kiu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...


>In article <7as17j$4...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>,
> "Michael Long" <mbl...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>(I've omitted my original post, in which I expressed displeasure with Keith
>Giffen's storytelling ability.)

>(And I've omitted mine on the displeasure of being stuck with what-we-got.)

Grant S. Doig

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Michael Long wrote in message <7asfv6$c...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>...

> Go for it! And I'd be glad to be able to sit in a bar and talk LSH
>anytime. :)
>MBLong


Count me in too. As long as you wait for me to fly the Atlantic under my own
power :)

>
>fette...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
><7ascn9$kiu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>In article <7as17j$4...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>,
>> "Michael Long" <mbl...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>(I've omitted my original post, in which I expressed displeasure with
Keith
>>Giffen's storytelling ability.)
>>(And I've omitted mine on the displeasure of being stuck with
what-we-got.)
>
>
>>We could go tit-for-tat on the subject of "What era of Legion comics is
the
>>best?", but I'd rather do that over some Woodpecker cider in a quiet bar
>>somewhere. Instead, I'll state what I think are the options available to
a
>>fan of the Legion of Super-Heroes given the current state of the books as
>of
>>March, 1999:
>>
>>1. Ignore the current version. Go back and re-read the archives, or back
>>issues of Levitz & Giffen, or TMK, or whatever. But be honest, and
>>acknowledge that in all likelihood none of those versions will be starring
>in
>>the ongoing series any time soon.
>>

That's sort of what I've done. I'm not _ignoring_ the current books as such,
I'm just not reading them at the moment due to the very bad writing. I plan
to make my next LSH purchases the archives I don't have (4-up) and some of
the back issues I'm missing (S&tLSH from about 197 to 235 and some parts of
Earthwar)


>>2. Read the current issues. If you like them, great. If (like me) you
>feel
>>that while this version is good, the storytelling has faltered, get vocal
>and
>>tell DC that.
>>

I've not done that, but I have stated in a magazine review column the view
that the books are sinking in quality and are in danger.


Hopefully bad reviews matter to TPTB.

>>I love re-reading past versions of characters, not just the Legion. I
also
>>realize that as the average comic fan is getting older, rebooting the
>Legion
>>from an adult to a teenage team might seem counerintuitive. But that's
>what
>>we've got, so let's make the most of it. I'll keep yelling (and hoping)
>that
>>the creative teams begin a progressive "maturing" of the Legion, so that
in
>a
>>few (3 or 4) years we've got a group of twentysomethings.

Keep shouting. When you're at it, mention the bad writing, as this is the
problem, not the characters ages.

I will say that, in relation to the rising average readership age, the age
of the LSH is too young IMO.

I'm 26 now, so
>I'm
>>solidly in the TITANS demographic, rather than YOUNG JUSTICE.
>>
>>All this has gotten my blood boiling again. I think I'll go write another
>>letter to DC about this. Who knows, maybe this time it'll accomplish
>>something.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>"Optimism is the faith that leads to acheivement. Nothing can be done
>>without hope and confidence." -Helen Keller
>
--

GSD
--------
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I take it you are unfamiliar with the term "sour grapes"?

BELLE & SEBASTIAN: Best Newcomers at the Brit Awards 1999


Chris Rednour

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On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 fette...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> Let's compare two statements, shall we?
>
> -snip-
> >
> > Keith hates Hypertime, saying it was an "excuse for lazy storytelling."
> > Jeff called it a "cop-out," and Tom predicts it'll be "overused."
> >
> -snip-
> >
> > The preboot LSH v4 is what he described as "the one story I wish I could
> > have finished up right." The young Batch SW6 would be the real Legion,
> > while the adults would be revealed as clones. He said the "hat trick"
> > rumor is "dead on true": that's where the writers would randomly select
> > some characters (as if drawn from a hat) to die in a massive battle between
> > the old and young teams. The senior team would then leave United Planets
> > space, and call themselves THE OMEGA MEN in their own book.
> >
>

> I'm sorry, but Hypertime is an excuse for lazy storytelling, while randomly
> selecting fates for characters is a brilliant narrative device? Come on, Mr.
> Giffen, that's about as hypocritical as it comes. I know some Legion fans
> worship the ground he walks on, but I'm glad Giffen's not working on ANY of
> the books I currently read.

Actually, IMO, it is. A random selection means that the writer can't play
favorites, and forces them to think about what they are writing in the
same way that the leader elections can force a writer to rethink the
Legion's direction by being given a different leader than expected.

Hypertime could potintially be an excuse to ignore continuity [which may
or may not be a good thing, IMO].

-Chris Rednour
_________________________________________________________________
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Michael Long

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I'm sorry I misunderstood-You're right I'd like to know too.Maybe we
need an independent counsel in on this.
MBLong

Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to "s" <$pac...@wt.net> wrote in message

<36d1fb3c...@news4.wt.net>...
>On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:59:05 -0800, "Michael Long" <mbl...@ix.netcom.com>
>wrote:


>
>> The article stated that the battle would be "between" the two teams
>>with the survivors/dead selected randomly out of a hat("hat trick")
>>MBLong
>>
>>Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to "s" <$pac...@wt.net> wrote in message

>
>Yes, I know what the "article" said, but that was mostly paraphrased from
what
>Giffen said. But (and excuse the Clintonism) what does "between" mean? Does
it
>mean the two teams fight against each other or on the same side? That's why
we
>want to see the transcript.


>
>--
> Michael R. Grabois | http://chili.cjb.net

Michael Long

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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Okay-all knowing one.You say you know this will get better-what divine
voice told you this?What have you seen or "who" involved right now with the
LSH will turn it around?I'd really like to believe you-so I'm not trying to
be a smart-ass,but I've been hearing crap like this from DC ever since
Crisis.
MBLong

>In closing, if you like the old stuff, READ IT. No one's twisting your arm
and
>forcing you to read the new stuff. If you like the new stuff, same thing.
All I
>know is that it will get better.

Ben Weiss

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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Michael Long wrote:
>
> I'm sorry I misunderstood-You're right I'd like to know too.Maybe we
> need an independent counsel in on this.

Excuse me? Did somebody say they needed counsel? ;-)
Ben
eleme...@lsh.org
Beating Messrs. McNemar and Miller at the ambulance-chasing game


Sean Daugherty

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Feb 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/23/99
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On or about Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:16:43 GMT, the accused,
fette...@my-dejanews.com, was heard saying:

> I'm sorry, but Hypertime is an excuse for lazy storytelling, while randomly
> selecting fates for characters is a brilliant narrative device? Come on, Mr.
> Giffen, that's about as hypocritical as it comes. I know some Legion fans
> worship the ground he walks on, but I'm glad Giffen's not working on ANY of
> the books I currently read.

Actually, the hat trick idea, for all its faults, did not entail lazy
storytelling: dealing with it in any effective manner would've taken a
literary skill few writers have.

And, FWIW, I share much of the same fears as Keith, Tom, and Jeff about
Hypertime: as much as I relish the prospect of being able to see stories
that have been off-limits since Crisis, it does feel like a bit of a
literary cop-out.

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Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to s

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On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:59:05 -0800, "Michael Long" <mbl...@ix.netcom.com>
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> The article stated that the battle would be "between" the two teams
>with the survivors/dead selected randomly out of a hat("hat trick")
>MBLong
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>Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to "s" <$pac...@wt.net> wrote in message

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>>On 21 Feb 1999 15:15:53 GMT, Alex Tam <gol...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
>>

>>>The preboot LSH v4 is what he described as "the one story I wish I could
>>>have finished up right." >

>>Can you repost Keith's exact words here, for the record (and for the FAQ)?
>That
>>way we can see if it was a battle "between" the two teams or a battle with
>the
>>two teams on the same side.
>>

Yes, I know what the "article" said, but that was mostly paraphrased from what

ReLect0

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I love re-reading past versions of characters, not just the Legion. I also
realize that as the average comic fan is getting older, rebooting the Legion
from an adult to a teenage team might seem counerintuitive. But that's what
we've got, so let's make the most of it. I'll keep yelling (and hoping) that
the creative teams begin a progressive "maturing" of the Legion, so that in a
few (3 or 4) years we've got a group of twentysomethings. I'm 26 now, so I'm

solidly in the TITANS demographic, rather than YOUNG JUSTICE.>>

All I can say on both is that the pre-boot Legion was a book ahead of its time,
and then around 1989, it became just like every other "Grim and gritty" book on
the shelves at that time. Now, the post-boot team is trying to recapture that
essence it once had, but the problem is that THEY AREN'T REALISTIC. The
characterization is just not like you would expect a teen team to do so. In
fact, I think that the main reason I covet the writing job for the Legion books
at this point is due to the simple reason that I could write them like
realistic teens would.

fette...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <36D229B2...@earthlink.net>,

Just how many Legion fans are attorneys, anyway?

Dave, Esq.

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without hope and confidence." -Helen Keller

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Okay-all knowing one.You say you know this will get better-what divine
voice told you this?What have you seen or "who" involved right now with the
LSH will turn it around?I'd really like to believe you-so I'm not trying to
be a smart-ass,but I've been hearing crap like this from DC ever since
Crisis.
MBLong>>

Call me psychic(Or Naltorian, if you prefer), but I am almost certain that by
2010, the Legion of Super-Heroes will be the best book on the shelves again.

Dave Hughes

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With the current state of the books, I take it that means you think they'll
go to some sort of "stacked on the floor" distribution system for the other
books by then?
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> Okay-all knowing one.You say you know this will get better-what divine
>voice told you this?

Hey, look at it this way...there's no where to go but up.

Give Me That Ole Time Real Legion!

Michael Long

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Trouble is there is one other way to go-just stagnating!
MBLong

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Dave Hughes

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Technically, that not a way, just a governmental policy. I think. They
really haven't updated the pamphlets lately.

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> Trouble is there is one other way to go-just stagnating!
> MBLong

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