High marks for using actual opposites within the story. More opposite
than a Christian saint and a talking duck, I'll have to admit.
> Kind of unfocused as a story.
The heroes seemed highly focused to me, and the battle was exciting.
It would have been nice to have a visual effect for when spots and
stripes battle... but I suppose that's the sort of thing that mortal
eye was not meant to see.
> Authors notes:
> Written for the 8th High Concept challenge: Opposites.
Just under the wire! (Well, Tom's was even juster.)
> Kind of unfocused as a story.
I thought it needed a bit more conflict; as it is, the first plan they come
up with works just fine. That said, what there was was well-written.
Also, I'd like to have seen more Luke at the end!
> But Twitter is always fun to write,
And fun to read!
> and she's even more hyper here than she was in _Beige Midnight_ for
> reasons that I suppose one day Rob and/or myself will have to get around
> to explaining in detail.
Ohoho really. Yes, that'll have to be soon, so I can use her. >>c
> (Actually, an early idea was to team Twitter up
> with Writers Block Woman, and see how Mouse coped with *two* women whose
> powers made them somewhat scatterbrained.
More Mouse is always a treat. <3
> [Before I get into the reply proper, I'll just note: AAAaaargh!!! I was
> so busy trying to finish the story off and post it yesterday afternoon
> that I COMPLETELY FORGOT to have Occultism Kid make the throwaway comment
> about plaid versus paisley among the other paraochial level dualities.]
Now *that*'s just silly.
> Okay then. Perhaps I'm being overly picky, but my gut feeling is that
> I only used the concept of opposites as a way of picking a theme villain
> and hanging a superhero story on it, rather than exploring the concept.
> If it had of been longer I probably would have had more emphasis on the
> two Lords, and perhaps got into their headspaces.
There was a hint of that in the story, with their eerie quiet during the
battle, but as you say, it wasn't explored.
> As it is the story
> *does* work better than the last time I did a HHC entry which didn't
> *quite* manage to focus on the concept (LNHv2 #31 - the 'kitbashed hero'
> with Unity, W.I.L.B.U.R., and Limp-Asparagus Lad).
That one also had the "lack of conflict/first plan works" problem.
> I agree that the fight scene works well (something of a pleasant surprise,
> because it was the last bit written and was literally being worked on
> while I was doing my Sunday desk shift yesterday). However for the most
> part the I think it works because it's mostly got lots of good character
> interaction. All three leads were fun to write for one reason or another.
Oh, definitely. All good characters. (For some reason, I imagine Hell
Catalyst as a few pounds heavier than Catalyst Lass. No idea why.)
Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, perhaps because it's cute.
Yeah, there was that too. I can't claim any superiority in
suspenseful conflict-writing, though. Usually Andrew has to prompt
me, "I thought it needed a bit more conflict..."
> The Lord of Spots dismissed Irony Man with an omnidirectional burst
> of spots that acted like a repulsor ray (how ironic). The net.hero was
> sent flying backwards, but circled around, looking for another avenue
> of attack.
Ah, looks like Irony Man is still a member of the LNH! (Granted there's
nothing to indicate in this appearance of whether it's Toony Stork or
someone else in the suit...)
Which brings me to a question I'd like to ask the group.
Beige Midnight won't resolve the Irony Man plot... at the end he'll
still be an LNH'r and still be a jerk and still be guilty of a whole lot
of crimes...
So my question is, What should happen to him?
Should he go to prison (some cushy white collar criminal prison?) and
have one of his employees be the new Irony Man... (and considering that
the end of Beige Midnight is two years ago, he could have completed his
sentence by now...)
Or should he just get a slap on the wrist... and remain an LNH'r?
I think I prefer the whole going to prison and having a new guy replace
him myself... although I don't have any plans to write Toony in prison
stories...
Arthur "Any thoughts about this?" Spitzer
> Ah, looks like Irony Man is still a member of the LNH! (Granted there's
> nothing to indicate in this appearance of whether it's Toony Stork or
> someone else in the suit...)
>
> So my question is, What should happen to him?
My own fiction started (well, one source) with my viewpoint character
inspired by 1980s Iron Man comics, enough to go neutralize all the
weapons *he'd* ever worked on. And he was a Reagan-era defense
contractor who'd worked on the MX Missile. Hijinks ensued.
http://www.eilertech.com/1988/me1.htm#mewars
So, judge Toony Stark and Irony Man accordingly.
> Saxon Brenton wrote:
>
>> The Lord of Spots dismissed Irony Man with an omnidirectional burst
>> of spots that acted like a repulsor ray (how ironic). The net.hero was
>> sent flying backwards, but circled around, looking for another avenue
>> of attack.
>
> Ah, looks like Irony Man is still a member of the LNH! (Granted there's
> nothing to indicate in this appearance of whether it's Toony Stork or
> someone else in the suit...)
I wondered if he'd asked you about this. ``
> Which brings me to a question I'd like to ask the group.
>
> Beige Midnight won't resolve the Irony Man plot... at the end he'll
> still be an LNH'r and still be a jerk and still be guilty of a whole lot
> of crimes...
>
> So my question is, What should happen to him?
>
> Should he go to prison (some cushy white collar criminal prison?) and
> have one of his employees be the new Irony Man... (and considering that
> the end of Beige Midnight is two years ago, he could have completed his
> sentence by now...)
>
> Or should he just get a slap on the wrist... and remain an LNH'r?
>
> I think I prefer the whole going to prison and having a new guy replace
> him myself... although I don't have any plans to write Toony in prison
> stories...
Hmmmmmmmm. I'd like a "Trial of Irony Man" story, where, at the end, he is
acquitted but gives up the role voluntarily and passes it down to someone
new.
Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, or a more ironic variation on the
above.
> http://www.eilertech.com/1988/me1.htm#mewars
BTW, this URL doesn't work.
Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, skaploom
It's weird, too, because I'd expect to be the one on the side of increasing
character interaction and the like. Instead, I'm all "More arguing and
hitting things, please!"
Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, just goes to show.
Given how Marvel dealt with the matter, I'd suggest a few potential
paths. For those who avoided Iron Man lately, in a nutshell Tony erased his
own brain to keep Norman Osborn from getting at the secrets in his head, but
did it in a very careful way with micro-repulsor blasts so that the brain
itself would be intact. Then he had friends upload an "innocent" backup copy
of himself into his blanked brain. This isn't as implausible as it might
seem, since the whole plot of Iron Man: Hypervelocity involved a backup copy
of Tony's mind running a suit of armor. (It would have been cooler if the
Hypervelocity version was what got re-uploaded into Tony's brain, mind you,
but Fraction isn't that good.)
1) Reductio ad absurdem. Toony decides that he needs to excise the
parts of his brain that were responsible for his vile deeds, and sets about
doing so with a ball peen hammer or some other similarly crude instrument.
2) Baldfaced reboot. Tony Stark gets a reboot of some sort every so
often (Teen Tony replacing Evil Tony, merged post-Heroes Return Tony
replacing Teen Tony, Fraction's backup copy, etc). Just say that offscreen
Toony did a clean install. Maybe give him some compatibility issues with old
drivers. (Perhaps literally...give him a chauffeur character like Happy
Hogan and have them not get along, for an incompatible driver.)
3) Inversion parody. Fraction's story had Tony getting progressively
more mentally handicapped until he was effectively brain dead. The parody
could go the other way, with Toony trying to force a limit break or something
by boosting his brainpower over and over again in the hopes of being able to
think his way out of the situation. Flowers for Alt.gernon sort of thing,
perhaps.
Dave Van Domelen, figures any of these could be made somehow ironic as
well.
Please make that link http://www.eilertech.com/stories/1988/me1.htm#mewars
.
> TT (to himself as Cat walks away): .oO( Thank goodness the other LNHers
> don't realise I've faked my own death by uploading my mind into this
> teenaged clone I made of myself. There's just too much baggage associated
> with the things I had to do to help save the Looniearth during Beige Midnight
> to be able to maintain my identity as the original Toony Stark they knew. )
Oooooh, you could have him steal the plan from Hex (preventing him from
using it), making it a play on the young-Lex-Luthor story from the early
'90s as well.
Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, where he was dating the Matrix
Supergirl.
> Should he go to prison (some cushy white collar criminal prison?) and
> have one of his employees be the new Irony Man... (and considering that
> the end of Beige Midnight is two years ago, he could have completed his
> sentence by now...)
>
> Or should he just get a slap on the wrist... and remain an LNH'r?
I think he should be acclaimed as a hero at the end of Beige
Midnight, which eats away at his conscience. He should try to
confess his crimes... and find that the more he admits to being a
jerk, the more people celebrate him as a hero, making him feel
like a phony, worthless, miserable human being trapped inside
the shell of a hero -- a hell of his own making.
He is Irony Man, after all...
--Easily-Discovered Man Lite
--After Beige Midnight, plans to let
it all hang down...
Any ideas on who should be the new Irony Man, if that happens?
Arthur "Pick a name" Spitzer
Actually that could probably work...
I might not even have to change the plot...
I could just have a scene where a couple of clueless reporters videotape
Irony Man doing something with his hands that they think saved the
Looniverse...
>
> --Easily-Discovered Man Lite
> --After Beige Midnight, plans to let
> it all hang down...
Arthur "But you'll have to finish Beige Countdown #9-8 first" Spitzer
I think that probably doesn't go far enough... we need something that
combines every comic book trope Tom Russell hates to explain why Irony Man
isn't responsible for his actions...
Arthur "The Composite Irony Man" Spitzer
Well, there's the Ironic Woman, of course. We could have a Steel parody
(John Henry Irony?), or possibly a merged Steel/War Machine parody. (Note
that WM showing up in the new Iron Man movie makes this actually topical!)
Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, I mean, Jim Rhodes was in the first
one, but...
> I think that probably doesn't go far enough... we need something that
> combines every comic book trope Tom Russell hates to explain why Irony Man
> isn't responsible for his actions...
An alien shapeshifter guided by a prophecy who was mind-controlled into
thinking he was Irony Man, and who raised the clone in a VR simulation,
only for the original Irony Man to body-jump into it?
Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, VR counts as an illusion.
I'm confused. Hex Luthor was president so why would Irony Man go to
jail because he let gave Hex Luthor authority over the LNH? Didn't
Ultimate Ninja go to jail because he tried to oppose Hex's takeover of
the LNH? So Irony Man could just claim that he was going along with
Hex because legally Hex had the authority.
> I think he should be acclaimed as a hero at the end of Beige
> Midnight, which eats away at his conscience. �He should try to
> confess his crimes... and find that the more he admits to being a
> jerk, the more people celebrate him as a hero, making him feel
> like a phony, worthless, miserable human being trapped inside
> the shell of a hero -- a hell of his own making.
>
> He is Irony Man, after all...
Exactly.
By the way, I saw Iron Man 2 today. Can't believe the first one
hadn't come out when Beige Midnight started.
Martin
> I'm confused. Hex Luthor was president so why would Irony Man go to
> jail because he let gave Hex Luthor authority over the LNH? Didn't
> Ultimate Ninja go to jail because he tried to oppose Hex's takeover of
> the LNH? So Irony Man could just claim that he was going along with
> Hex because legally Hex had the authority.
I think it's less "authority over the LNH" and more "helping Hex
mass-brainwash thousands of people".
Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, just sayin'.
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