Brice Taylor - Thanks for the Memories - foreward
Howard Duck
THANKS FOR THE MEMMEMMORMEE*!?
More than 25 years have passed since I began research into what was
then called "brainwashing," a comically euphemistic term invented in
the 1950's by CIA propaganda specialist Edward Hunter. It's been 21
years since my book on the subject Operation Mind Control was
published internationally, and five years since it reappeared as the
greatly expanded Limited Researcher's Edition, featuring an account of
"Lois" that offers a synopsis of the book you hold in your hands. Now
it can be told. "Lois" is Susan Ford, whose pseudonym is Brice
Taylor. Her book Thanks for the Memories, which, by all reports is
greatly anticipated by an audience better educated than the one I
encountered in the 1970's, is now published for all the world to read.
I wrote my book Operation Mind Control while living in Arizona, still
'a backward state, dominated by Federal funds and jobs, and the
dissociated and extremely provincial beliefs that come with it. In
the 70's most of the people I spoke with about what I called,
generically, "mind control" thought I was crazy. Those who were not
afraid to express their opinions on the subject believed it to be
impossible. They strongly believed they could not be made to do
something against their will and without their own knowledge. They
believed they had indomitable powers of will, like the CIA funded
psychologist, Timothy Leary's fellow debater and Watergate burglar, G.
Gordon Liddy. They believed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they
could not be broken, fragmented, and mentally enslaved by any
technology, even if it included hypnosis, drugs, electronic brain
stimulation or what came to be called biological process control.
My interest in this subject was piqued by a young man, David, I had
known all my life. He returned from a four-year tour with the United
States Air Force in a confused and deeply tormented state. You could
not say that he had a destroyed mind. He suffered from complete
amnesia about the past years of service in the USAF, but he was making
straight "A's" in premedical courses at a prominent University.
I did not recognize him as he sat, slumped in an overstuffed chair in
my living room in 1973. He had undergone a couple of years of
treatment with a competent psychiatrist and was finally asked by her,
"Do you want to know what this is and how it was created, or do you
just want to be able to function?" He decided the functioning was good
enough, and his treatment accelerated, taking a wide turn away from
the historical events he remembered, which included being a "human
tape recorder" and witnessing the most secret negotiations with North
Vietnam and with "Royals" of the Arabic persuasion who beheaded a
prisoner he had just witnessed being interrogated. The image of this
decapitation still haunts him in his dreams.
In 1973 the Rockefeller Commission's Report revealed that CIA Director
Richard Helms had supposedly destroyed 153 separate files on a long
running, top secret project called MKULTRA, as his last act in office.
In years to come many of those files were discovered as "misplaced"
files. They revealed a long history of criminal activities by
individuals who hid behind the National Security Act and ran amok,
arrogantly treating citizens of their own country as just so many lab
rats.
"I can hypnotize a man -- without his knowledge or consent -- into
committing treason against
*James Joyce, Finnigan's Wake, 1938
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the United States..." -- Dr. George Estabrooks, 1943. This
Canadian-born Rhodes Scholar was a hypnosis expert and former
Professor at Colgate University with long-standing ties to U.S.
military and domestic intelligence, and to Martin Orne, MD, a master
"spy-chiatrist," author of Patty Hearst's "brainwashing" defense, and
founding Board member of the False Memory "Spindrome" Foundation.
As I was researching The Rockefeller Commission's Report, following
anecdotal evidence, putting the pieces together, then writing what
turned out to be Operation Mind Control, I felt like the villagers in
this Sufi tale:
An elephant had entered a cave near a town in Morrocco and had
bellowed all night, keeping the whole village awake. Nobody in the
town had seen an elephant, nor did anyone know what an elephant looked
like.
The villagers held a meeting and four brave people among them
volunteered to go into the cave to investigate what was making the
strange bellowings.
The first one felt the elephant's trunk and came running out to report
a large python was making the noise they heard The second one felt
afoot and came out to report that a palm tree was making the noise.
The third one felt the elephant's tail and came out to report that a
broom, obviously controlled by a witch, was making the noise. The
fourth villager felt the elephant's ear and came out to report that
there was nothing to fear because a large leaf from a tropical plant
was making the noise.
Once they understood there was nothing to fear, the villagers went to
sleep that night and didn't hear the elephant snorting and bellowing
as he left the cave. Nor did they mention it again.
In those days, shrinks (psychiatrists and psychologists) told me that
what I was reporting were the results of a disease called
"schizophrenia." The word meant fragmented personality, but in time,
schizophrenia turned out to be a familial disease which could be
treated and controlled with medication. The stories I was reporting
took several years to understand. I eventually discovered that what I
was reporting was the real cause of the cryptocracy's trained elephant
in the particular cave next to our hometown.
I cannot tell you the experiences Sue Ford reports are accurate to the
letter, since I was not a witness to all of them. But, as I revealed
in Operation Mind Control (1994), I once saw Sue on a Palm Springs
golf course in the company of her alleged handler, Bob Hope. At that
time I was Editor-in-Chief of Palm Springs Life magazine, which had
just won the "Maggie" Award for publishing the best city magazine. It
was at the Bob Hope Classic that I saw Sue, but I didn't speak to her,
as I was busy covering the happenings and celebrities, which have
graced the magazine since the 1950's. Sue was one of the Bob Hope
Classic hostesses, assisting the public and the press in a variety of
functions.
My path crossed Sue's again years later when I was interviewing
another survivor of mind control, but I'll spare you those details.
Just read my book. I can tell you that Sue Ford believes the story
she has written with all her being, and her account as described
herein has remained consistent.
Most of her memories, conveyed in her book, she obtained outside of
the therapy setting on the Island of Kauai, while journaling on the
beach, since she could not afford a therapist at that time. The
perceived safety of the location and the steady sound of the waves in
the background provided her with the ability to focus inward, allowing
intense flashbacks to recur, including
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intense memory of her physical sensations during those events (called
body memories), all of which she was able to write down in her
journals. Sue's journals are amazingly free of mistakes, and that's
no small feat since they were written in indelible ink. One gets the
impression that Sue simply `downloaded' this material from her inner
`multiple personalities,' who were desperately wanting to get this
information out.
Offering up these truths in these post-False Memory "Spindrome"
Foundation days takes courage. The well-funded "foundation," composed
of alleged pedophiles and spy-chiatrists, my term for professionals
who worked for the CIA in mind control projects over a period of
approximately fifty years, has led an effective fight in the courts to
establish the fact that a person can easily be made to believe things
which are not true. When I asked many of those who would later sit on
the FMSF Board, if a person could be made to do something against
their will and without their knowledge, they denied that it was
possible in the mid-seventies.
They have not yet turned their earlier stance completely around. Nor
have they taken the next step to offer proof that a person can be made
to do something against their will and without their knowledge, but
they have gone far enough with their argument that "justice is no
longer served by `eyewitness' accounts." Responding to FMSF lawsuits,
the State of California, I'm told, has made new laws, which would
disqualify the testimony of anyone who has ever confessed to having
been hypnotized.
Most lawyers and judges don't understand dissociative disorders
because most "mental health professionals" don't understand them,
and/or haven't bothered to educate the judicial branch of government.
To begin to understand the full range of dissociative disorders, from
Post-traumatic Stress Disorder to Bipolar Disorder to the former
Multiple Personality Disorder (now called Dissociative Identity
Disorder), one must confront the National Security State and its
military/industrial complex, which created the killers who all too
often came home from their service to their country to beat and
sexually abuse their wives and children.
One gets the impression today that the majority of both "mental health
experts" and judges believe that Multiple Personality Disorder can
easily be faked during expert examinations. However, most
professionals with experience treating DID will tell you that it is
almost impossible to fake an autonomic response, the kind of response
that is used to assess the reality of a dissociated state. Faking an
autonomic response would be about as easy as deliberately dilating or
contracting your pupils without any change of light stimulus.
On one case the Freedom of Thought Foundation sent me to investigate,
the case of Robert Joe Moody, an alleged serial killer with a Top
Secret security clearance in the USMC, I brought one of the leading
experts in the treatment of DID into the prison conference room.
Within minutes this doctor had the killer manifesting four different
personalities. When he first switched into the killer personality the
room filled with heat. The doctor told me it was not unusual for a
whole variety of physical changes to occur when a multiple switched.
The room quickly getting hot from the temperature change of Moody's
body when he switched from one personality to the other is a good
example of the sort of autonomic response I'm talking about. I'd like
to see even the best-trained actor do that on cue!
After the interview with Moody, as we were leaving the prison, the
doctor said to me, "Well, what do you want to do? Integrate these
personalities, or just let the little nine-year-old personality take
the punishment (death by lethal injection) for all the others, just
like he has always been doing."
In the only study of death row inmates in America, roughly 14% tested
as being undiagnosed cases of DID. Only a few prisons were used in
this study. It focused only on convicted
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murderers and did not investigate violent criminals who were convicted
of assault or crimes less than murder. Other non-capital offenders
were omitted. This study clearly showed the ignorance, or prejudice,
of the American judicial system, one in which the diagnosis
"malingering" is given to people suffering from DID. Malingering is a
psychiatric term that means the subject is faking an illness. The
poorly trained psychologists and psychiatrists working as court
appointed "expert witnesses" don't know how to test nor diagnose
Dissociative Disorders.
The most tragic moment of Moody's story, for most, is when they view
the police videotape of the accused killer being read the Miranda
Warnings. Here, clearly, is the nine-year-old personality, "Bobby,"
picking at a scab on his hand, speaking in a halting voice, not
understanding who he was, due to Amnestic Fugue, nor what the words in
the Miranda Warnings meant. It was the only time the accused was read
his rights. And as you might expect, Bobby wasn't the killer, nor was
he even "present" at the scene of the crime. The killer personality
was named XE and was, by all present indications, created during
Moody's service in the Marine Corps.
"Mental health professionals" generally overlook the possibility of
deliberate programming. Or maybe that's part of the conspiracy
against freedom of thought. Many shrinks are themselves unwitting
accomplices in this conspiracy. Professional expressions of denial
about the access and deliberate programming of dissociated children by
agents of National Security States is about as comforting as if they'd
told you that the conclusions of the Warren Commission Report were
accurate and correct. Even certain members of The International
Society for the Study of Dissociative Disorders has put DID in a
separate legal category, so that, people expressing multiple
personalities cannot be found "not guilty by reason of insanity."
Dr. Colin Ross, one of the leading experts on Dissociative Disorders,
expressed the opinion that DID may be the cause of most of the serious
problems of our society, such as gangsterism, drive-by shootings,
schoolyard assassinations, random acts of terrorism and all the rest
of the trauma America has been experiencing over the past few
years--an idea not yet examined by criminologists, prison experts, and
others who would supposedly protect and serve.
To understand dissociation is to understand the paradigm shift in our
culture--from an industrial culture to an information culture. To
understand it is to look into the heart of the Dissociated States of
America and the Dissociated States of Europe and the Orient.
The seeds of dissociation have been sown throughout history, from our
earliest recorded days until the present. You can find evidence of it
in the first terrors of the cavemen, in the shamanic practices of most
primitive cultures, to the present co-option of severely dissociated
people found among the ranks of modem military recruits. A cross
section of our society finds its way into military service, and a
representational number of them suffer from Dissociative Disorders.
These form a fertile pool for recruitment of programmed personnel.
After you've met a few of them, you realize they have one thing is
common--they are highly suggestible. Thus it is easy to capitalize on
the trauma implanted in their child's mind by daddy, uncle, a neighbor
or whomever. Once dissociation shows up in the military "entrance
tests," they are sorted out for programming. From their ranks are
created autonomic assassins, amnestic couriers, and Mata Hari
sexpionage agents who've given their involuntary all with no consent
form requested.
Who would do such a thing you ask? Read on. Learn about the
cryptocracy that has been gradually amassing its power over the human
mind since the days when the swastika was forced underground, and its
armbands torn from the sleeves, but its legacy was not removed from
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hearts and minds of those welcomed to America under Project Paperclip.
when Nazi war criminals, posing as scientists, were flown from the
front, hidden among those who had spilled their blood fighting
fascism.
The value of programming to the cryptocrats is understood when you
realize its usefulness in harnessing a slave labor force and covering
up crimes. More than one forensic psychiatrist has told me that our
criminal justice systems are not prepared to deal with these cases.
And it's been that way for quite some time. The litigious actions of
the False Memory "Spindrome" Foundation have done further damage to
justice by successfully obfuscating the realities of Dissociative
Disorders and by blaming its cause on the treatments of incompetent
"mental health professionals."
Whether a victim of DID, trained and conditioned and honed for
govemment use, claims they have been raised in a Satanic Cult, or a
Secret Society, or been abducted by aliens matters not at all. For
eons of time, throughout the entire history of mankind (as far as we
know) war and trauma have created this evil, which is
multi-generational, passed down the family tree from parent to child
in an unbroken chain. The flavor of the torture matters not--it is
none the less torture. The style of programming matters not--it is
none the less programming. Usually the women are tumed into slaves of
one kind or another; the men are turned into killers or handlers.
Regardless of the content of their story, the professional can only
take it at face value, support the client, use it as a metaphor if
nothing else, and try one technique after another until they get the
results they are seeking, reintegration and eventual recovery.
After spending the past five years studying programmed killers, it is
refreshing to turn once again to Sue Ford's case. Most of us cannot
keep from wincing at her vivid descriptions in certain parts. Others
similarly victimized have experienced tortures so terrible (literally
unspeakable) that they might think Sue had a "privileged" time of it.
Though, Sue was used at a very "high level" in such ways that required
her physical preservation. Many survivors, it would appear, are
generally too incapacitated to write their own story and too destitute
or crippled to achieve sufficient recovery.
Sue's story, truly a spy-chiatrist's "nightmare come true," is like a
fascinating, multifaceted gemstone washed up on a white, sandy
Hawaiian beach after having battled typhoons, rip tides and the
treacherous forces of man and nature. It is the story of a survivor
who truly has emerged as a 'Victor' against all odds.
We must salute Sue. She has preceded the therapeutic community's
understanding of dissociation and reintegration in the context of mind
control. She's been a teacher as well as a patient, and has inspired
many of those who are leading the way toward real healing, not just a
drugging of symptoms as is too commonly found to be the "mental
health" cure for MPD/DID. Through her valiant recovery from
trauma-based mind control, Sue has paved the way for other survivors
to follow.
Let's join her in shining the light on the path for those survivors
who are ready, willing and able to stand and be counted. Their
liberation will be ours--all of us!
To your own Free Thinking!
W.H. Bowart Director Freedom of Thought Foundation
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"Howard Duck" <hbd...@geusnet.com> wrote in message
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Howard Duck
<christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
> Thanks, I have been missing the X-Files !!!
You're quite welcome. And if the X-Files is all you are missing,
you're doing pretty good. Most of America is missing its entire
history - even PhDs in history. At the rate we are going, many will
soon be missing their brains as well.
--
Howard
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
I don't think that you understood the sarcasm
Howard Duck
<christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
>
> "Howard Duck" <hbd...@geusnet.com> wrote in message
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> > On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:33:24 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
> > <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks, I have been missing the X-Files !!!
> >
> > You're quite welcome. And if the X-Files is all you are missing,
> > you're doing pretty good. Most of America is missing its entire
> > history - even PhDs in history. At the rate we are going, many will
> > soon be missing their brains as well.
> > --
> > Howard
>
> I don't think that you understood the sarcasm
Oh, I think I did. Maybe you didn't understand my sarcasm. The irony
is that people who mock the revelations of what is happening all
around us are dumb dogs who think they're sophisticated. No wonder
the whole world will worship the beast, according to Revelation 13.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
willing to tackle such a venture
Idiots also, have *PHDs*
"Howard Duck" <hbd...@geusnet.com> wrote in message
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Howard Duck
<christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
> You wanna buy the Golden Gate Bridge ?
You provide proof of ownership and I'll give you a check drawn on the
BCCI endorsed by Bill Clinton.
Dore
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> > Foreward by Walter Bowart:
> >
> > THANKS FOR THE MEMMEMMORMEE*!?
> >
> > More than 25 years have passed since I began research into what was
> > then called "brainwashing," a comically euphemistic term invented in
> > the 1950's by CIA propaganda specialist Edward Hunter. It's been 21
> > years since my book on the subject Operation Mind Control was
> > published internationally, and five years since it reappeared as the
> > greatly expanded Limited Researcher's Edition, featuring an account of
> > "Lois" that offers a synopsis of the book you hold in your hands. Now
> > it can be told. "Lois" is Susan Ford, whose pseudonym is Brice
> > Taylor. Her book Thanks for the Memories, which, by all reports is
> > greatly anticipated by an audience better educated than the one I
> > encountered in the 1970's, is now published for all the world to read.
> >
I read the book and sobbed at every page. In fact, it got to the point that
I couldn't finish it. I am so saddened that man is capable of being that
evil.
--
Dore
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Howard Duck
wrote:
> I read the book and sobbed at every page. In fact, it got to the point that
> I couldn't finish it. I am so saddened that man is capable of being that
> evil.
>
> --
> Dore
>
> www.dorewilliamson.com
I know. I couldn't finish either. I don't think I even made it half
way through. Sue Ford is one brave little lady. She speaks with
compassion toward her father. I'm afraid I'd want to tear him apart.
The servants of the devil are an unhappy lot. If satan told them to
kill a loved one, or cut off a limb, they would have to do it. No one
can rescue them but God alone. But what mercy the Lord has!
--
Howard
Dore
> I know. I couldn't finish either. I don't think I even made it half
> way through. Sue Ford is one brave little lady. She speaks with
> compassion toward her father. I'm afraid I'd want to tear him apart.
> The servants of the devil are an unhappy lot. If satan told them to
> kill a loved one, or cut off a limb, they would have to do it. No one
> can rescue them but God alone. But what mercy the Lord has!
> --
I think she has compassion on her father because he is mind controlled as
well, so she has more pity than anything else and if she couldn't forgive
him, I guess she wouldn't be able to forgive herself. I too, wanted to tear
them all up, all of her abusers, with such vengeance I have never felt
before. Sue Ford is very brave to make public such atrocities, naming names
of people living and still in power. It just goes to show you that God has
indeed rescued her, protected her and gave her the strength to let her story
be told. My heart still bleeds for her, for although she survived her
abuse, the scars that remain, could never be forgotten and I am sure have an
impact on her whole life until the end of her days. With her information
given, it has provided insight into many of the things that are occurring
today, especially when some person kills their whole family, children or
causes some destruction, school and public shootings and such and
immediately, I wonder if they were triggered mind control slaves doing
their evil for the agenda of the New World Order, as they want a pretense
that the people need protection, gun laws, and more security to remove
freedom and liberties. I also have the insight to look at the actions of
celebrities and wonder, if they too, are mind controlled slaves, since their
actions are so similar to what Sue went through and spoke about of others,
being in the entertainment field, that she knew were under the CIA MkUltra
project. Brittany Spears and Michael Jackson come to mind. Especially
Michael, since Sue spoke about his childhood sex abuse that she witnessed. I
figure Michael got revealed, because Bush needed some distraction off of his
foibles in Iraq. You can always tell when the government need some sort of
distraction, like Reagan's death and media attention, when the media plays
it to death. That book, along with Alex Jones' video "911- The Road to
Tyranny" opened my eyes to so many things, and put into perspective the
actions of Satan and the Beast, in these end times, fulfilling prophecy.
Although Satanists are such an unhappy lot, I would pity them, if I didn't
despise their horrific and outrageous actions so much. I still can't get
over the controllers, the abusers, and my hatred and anger towards them is
without limits. Reagan, Johnson, Kennedy, Cheney, Clinton, Ford, Bush Sr,
Bob Hope, Kissinger, the many celebrities and government people and all who
accepted, used, and engaged in the abuse, should all be tortured without
limit for their partaking in the CIA MKUltra program. I am satisfied that
Hope, Johnson, Kennedy, and now Reagan are screaming in hell, with more
horrific torments than anyone can imagine, in perfect justification of their
actions and evil while on the earth. My eye is still on Kissinger and
Cheney, and am awaiting until their death occurs, and they are in hell
screaming in horror, for that day will be another to celebrate. You should
also read Cathy O'Brian's book, "Trance-formation of America" , for she is
another victim of the CIA's MKUltra program. She relates more stories and
names more SATANIC abusers, that need to be exposed for what they truly are.
Here is her link.
http://www.trance-formation.com/
--
Dore
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Howard Duck
wrote:
> I think she has compassion on her father because he is mind controlled as
I have read Cathy O'Brien's book. Also, John DeCamp's book, The
Franklin Cover-up. Also, Fritz Springmeier's books and others by Jim
Keith, Daniel Ryder, Milan Martin and others. Keith died a mysterious
death. Springmeier is in prison on a trumped up charge. I haven't
been able to make contact with Sue Ford for some time.
One reason the devil's people can get away with all this on such a
wide scale seems to be because most people don't want to believe it.
Publications like Christianity Today and orgs like False Memory
Syndrome Foundation pretty much deny its existence. I'm sure that
there are many entertainers that have been either raised in it or have
bought into it. I'm fairly confident that Ashley and Wynonna Judd
were both raised in it. Probably Jennifer Connelly who first appeared
as a pre-teen in Once Upon A Time In America, and later in Labyrinth,
Requiem for a Dream, and others. Probably JonBenet Ramsey, too.
Sammy Davis Jr became part of Anton LaVey's satanist church. So did
Marilyn Maxwell. Michael Aquino, whose Temple of Set splintered away
from LaVey's organization. L Ron Hubbard got his ideas from
association with satanist-witch Aleister Crowley and his OTO.
Nowadays you can hardly circulate in clubs, discos and the like (which
I wouldn't do in any case) without running into these mind-controlled
zombies. Many are found in mental hospitals. They are even in
Christian churches, and some have false Christian personalities.
There are any number of groups like C.A.R.E., Inc. which specialize in
helping these victims find deliverance through Jesus Christ. But
there is a whole army of them out there, and now they even make movies
and TV shows based on them.
I don't know how anyone could actually choose to serve the devil.
After a little splash of fame or fortune, then they'll be killed off
and spend eternity in hell. But their numbers are increasing daily.
Like the French atheist-writer Voltaire, they'll feel the fires of
hell even before they get there.
You have an interesting website. America and all the kingdoms of this
world are under the devil's control - but not true Christians, thank
God!
--
Howard
RandyM
"Dore" <dorewil...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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My dearest Dore:
My love and Savior, Jesus Christ returned, you are truely God.
Have you yet judged Reagan?
I will pray to you tonight,
RandyM
Dore
> I don't know how anyone could actually choose to serve the devil.
> After a little splash of fame or fortune, then they'll be killed off
> and spend eternity in hell. But their numbers are increasing daily.
> Like the French atheist-writer Voltaire, they'll feel the fires of
> hell even before they get there.
They choose to serve the devil because he lies to them and they believe his
lies. He claims that he is God and that the One true God is beneath him. He
tells them that he can never die and will throughout all eternity rule and
reign and give power to whom he wills and he tells them that if they serve
him, they will live forever as gods, and because the earth was given over to
him, at the fall of Adam, he has the power to lavish his servants with
power, fame and riches, which he does to keep them sucked into his lies.
Satan tells them that there is NO hell, no justice, no punishment and they
believe every lie he speaks. That's what gets me, is that these people,
after KNOWING that Satan is a liar and the father of it, still believe that
he is telling them the truth, is loyal to them and promises them the world
and all eternity, which he has no power to give and will stab them in the
back at the first sign of error. They still believe Satan, even after they
themselves, who are evil, are loyal to none, will snuff someone out at the
slightest of offenses or ruin them and their reputations, and yet they don't
see the correlation that their actions ARE the same as Satan's, who will
never be loyal to them, will snuff them out, and ruin them at the slightest
of error, but they refuse to believe that. How can you TRUST someone, who
has historically and continually been distrustful and disloyal, has lied
repeatedly and deceived with the greatest delusions and deceptions? To me,
Satanists are beyond stupid.
--
Dore
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Dore
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> Have you yet judged Reagan?
A long time ago, and you can be certain that he is right beside the rest of
those like him in hell.
--
Dore
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Robert D. De Mars
> "RandyM" <Ran...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>Have you yet judged Reagan?
>
>
>
> A long time ago, and you can be certain that he is right beside the rest of
> those like him in hell.
Dore, I had a dream last night. I was playing hop-scotch (using
your white pearl) with Ronald Regan. He was yelling at me for
not saying "Butterscotch". It was mentioned, that unless you
stop playing God, there is a nice spot for you in hell as well.
Take Care,
Robert De Mars
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Dore
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> Dore, I had a dream last night. I was playing hop-scotch (using
> your white pearl) with Ronald Regan. He was yelling at me for
> not saying "Butterscotch". It was mentioned, that unless you
> stop playing God, there is a nice spot for you in hell as well.
>
Well, next time say "Butterscotch". They get upset about that sort of
stuff in hell. I thought one of my white pearls was missing, so it was YOU
huh? Anyway, tell Ronnie, if you happen to find yourself in hell again,
that I don't take orders from condemned people.
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>
>
>>Dore, I had a dream last night. I was playing hop-scotch (using
>>your white pearl) with Ronald Regan. He was yelling at me for
>>not saying "Butterscotch". It was mentioned, that unless you
>>stop playing God, there is a nice spot for you in hell as well.
>>
>
>
> Well, next time say "Butterscotch". They get upset about that sort of
> stuff in hell. I thought one of my white pearls was missing, so it was YOU
> huh? Anyway, tell Ronnie, if you happen to find yourself in hell again,
> that I don't take orders from condemned people.
>
Hi Dore. Sorry about the white pearl. I thought I could put it
back before you noticed it was gone. I will not take it again
without asking. Forgive me. I will pass on your message to
Ronnie should I happen to bump into him again. For the record,
it wasn't a command, just a sugestion.
RandyM
Yes, Dore is love and Jesus incarnate, She is the only true God.
RandyM
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
LOL !!! GOOD ONE :-)
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
smile :-)
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
I am praying for you, and hope you are joking
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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>
Dore
Why do you always have opinions on things you know nothing about?
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Dore
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> Like yourself ?
Glenn, I read the book, you didn't.
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>
>
> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > Like yourself ?
>
> Glenn, I read the book, you didn't.
You mean the one about....
> > > > > > =========================== ??????????????????????????????
Must have been an interesting book !
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
I would suggest
ACTUALLY READING IT
BEFORE
responding
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John Watson
> Glenn READ Brice Taylor's BOOK or shut up!
>
Dore, I've asked you several times about the drugs that you do, are you
trying to avoid answering me?
If so why? As Jesus you can not be afraid of what people think, can you?
John
Dore
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> Dore, I've asked you several times about the drugs that you do, are you
> trying to avoid answering me?
>
> If so why? As Jesus you can not be afraid of what people think, can you?
As if you are worthy of a response, I don't do any drugs, and haven't for
many years. Now answer me this, what have YOU done in obedience to every
word of God?
And answer me this, do you think that drugs have anything to do with OBEYING
GOD and DOING every word that is required, commanded, and demanded in the
scriptures? Do you think that the spiritual realm and kingdom of God can be
attained by IGNORING the WORD OF GOD, walking in earthiness, sins,
disobedience and pretense, and that you can blame drugs for anyone who DOES
OBEY GOD?
MY past has been revealed countless times on this usenet, and I tell you
this, I would trust and believe a pot smoker on their relationship with God,
then any of you Sunday, Christian denomination, HYPOCRITES, for I already
KNOW that you are all APOSTATE, earthly, lovers of self, hypocrites,
disobedient, fake, false, shallow, superficial and pretentious.
I fear NOTHING, much less of what any HUMAN thinks of me, for I don't SERVE
humans, I serve GOD.
It is already apparent to me, that YOU, John Watson, has NEVER DONE anything
in obedience to the WORD of GOD, so your opinion is as worthless as your
HYPOCRITICAL , sinful, disobedient soul.
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Dore
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John Watson
> "John Watson" <Jo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Dore, I've asked you several times about the drugs that you do, are you
>> trying to avoid answering me?
>>
>> If so why? As Jesus you can not be afraid of what people think, can you?
>
> As if you are worthy of a response, I don't do any drugs, and haven't for
> many years. Now answer me this, what have YOU done in obedience to every
> word of God?
I have followed the Bible in every detail!
> And answer me this, do you think that drugs have anything to do with
> OBEYING
> GOD and DOING every word that is required, commanded, and demanded in the
> scriptures?
Yes, only a foul one would debase her body with harmful drugs.
God does not condone drug use.
>Do you think that the spiritual realm and kingdom of God can be
> attained by IGNORING the WORD OF GOD, walking in earthiness, sins,
> disobedience and pretense,
No, but you should stop doing just that!
and that you can blame drugs for anyone who DOES
> OBEY GOD?
If you are in a drugged state (stuppor) you are not obeying God but the
Devil, oh most foul one.
> MY past has been revealed countless times on this usenet, and I tell you
> this, I would trust and believe a pot smoker on their relationship with
> God,
But would they trust you, a most foul drug abuser!
> then any of you Sunday, Christian denomination, HYPOCRITES, for I already
> KNOW that you are all APOSTATE, earthly, lovers of self, hypocrites,
> disobedient, fake, false, shallow, superficial and pretentious.
I am none of what you stated but you are! Most foul one.
> I fear NOTHING, much less of what any HUMAN thinks of me, for I don't
> SERVE
> humans, I serve GOD.
You are serving no God, you are serving yourself and the Devil, most foul
one.
> It is already apparent to me, that YOU, John Watson, has NEVER DONE
> anything
> in obedience to the WORD of GOD,
I am completely obedient to God, the Father has blessed me with the
authority and power to discern evil and you are evil, most foul one.
so your opinion is as worthless as your
> HYPOCRITICAL , sinful, disobedient soul.
My soul is lilly white and was touched by the hand of God.
You being most foul, have had your soul touched by the Devil!
John
Dore
> I have followed the Bible in every detail!
Really, then please give us the testimony of when you forsook all of your
money, possessions, jobs, career, family, sex, home and land to be a true
disciple.
Luke 14:33
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath,
he cannot be my disciple.
KJV
Mark 10:17-21
17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and
kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may
inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but
one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do
not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and
mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from
my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou
lackest: "go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor," and
thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow
me.
KJV
cont
> Yes, only a foul one would debase her body with harmful drugs.
Do you drink Diet coke or Diet Pepsi? Have you ever used ALka Seltzer Plus,
Dimetapp cold and allergy tablets, Zantac Efferdose or given your children
Bugs Bunny, Flintstones, Pediacare, Tylenol cough -cold tablets , Children's
chewable co-tylenol, Tempra 3 tablets, Children's chewable Acetiminophen,
Children's Anacin 3, Health Balance chewable vitamins, Mediguard children's
multivitamin, or Animal shapes chewable vitamins? They all contain
aspartame, which is proven to cause holes in the brain. Then you are
debasing your body or your children's body with harmful drugs. Just because
drugs are ILLEGAL, does NOT mean they are harmful. Do you know that
marijuana has been proven to cure glaucoma, cancer, and has NO harmful
affects on the body whatsoever? So then marijuana would NOT fall into the
category that you have determined.
cont
> God does not condone drug use.
How do you know what God does or does not condone? As a matter of fact, I
asked Him about Marijuana use and He said to me, "Dore, I don't care what
you do, just don't put a needle into your arm".
cont
> If you are in a drugged state (stuppor) you are not obeying God but the
> Devil, oh most foul one.
>
So Christ being a winebibber, was not obeying God? What does your state of
mind in a drugged state have to do with obeying God? If you commit NO sins
while in that state, then you are still obeying God.
cont
> But would they trust you, a most foul drug abuser!
I just said that I do NOT abuse drugs, why are you bearing false witness and
sinning against me? People trust me because I am honest, loyal, trustworthy,
sincere and truthful.
cont
> You are serving no God, you are serving yourself and the Devil, most foul
> one.
Obviously, you don't know either God, nor the Devil.
cont
> I am completely obedient to God, the Father has blessed me with the
> authority and power to discern evil and you are evil, most foul one.
So, you are saying that you have repented of all sin and have stopped
sinning? You have forsaken all earthly things, denied yourself, do not
engage in sex and hate MONEY, are pure, holy, righteous, sinless and
blameless, and walk as Christ walked? I don't think you have been blessed
with any authority of discernment between good and evil, because you call me
evil and foul, and I am Christ.
cont
> My soul is lilly white and was touched by the hand of God.
Please provide details of how you have repented of all sin and stopped
sinning, how you have forsaken ALL things of the earth to walk in the
kingdom. Please reveal your visions and experiences IN the spiritual realm,
and how God has touched you.
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Dore
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John Watson
> "John Watson" <Jo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> I have followed the Bible in every detail!
>
> Really, then please give us the testimony of when you forsook all of your
> money, possessions, jobs, career, family, sex, home and land to be a true
> disciple.
Yes I did, I lived life as a monk, gave away all of my possessions, quit my
job, lost my career, family, gave up sex, gave my home and land to a tribe
of Indians.
> Luke 14:33
> 33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he
> hath,
> he cannot be my disciple.
> KJV
I did it all and now have been rewarded by Father a hunderfold!
> Mark 10:17-21
> 17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and
> kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may
> inherit eternal life?
> 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good
> but
> one, that is, God.
> 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do
> not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and
> mother.
> 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed
> from
> my youth.
> 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou
> lackest: "go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor,"
> and
> thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and
> follow
> me.
> KJV
That is why Father loves me because I have done it all.
> cont
>
>> Yes, only a foul one would debase her body with harmful drugs.
>
> Do you drink Diet coke or Diet Pepsi? Have you ever used ALka Seltzer
> Plus,
> Dimetapp cold and allergy tablets, Zantac Efferdose or given your children
> Bugs Bunny, Flintstones, Pediacare, Tylenol cough -cold tablets ,
> Children's
> chewable co-tylenol, Tempra 3 tablets, Children's chewable Acetiminophen,
> Children's Anacin 3, Health Balance chewable vitamins, Mediguard
> children's
> multivitamin, or Animal shapes chewable vitamins? They all contain
> aspartame, which is proven to cause holes in the brain. Then you are
> debasing your body or your children's body with harmful drugs. Just
> because
> drugs are ILLEGAL, does NOT mean they are harmful. Do you know that
> marijuana has been proven to cure glaucoma, cancer, and has NO harmful
> affects on the body whatsoever? So then marijuana would NOT fall into the
> category that you have determined.
Are you that lost that you can not see the difference in using drugs in a
beneficial way and abusing drugs as you have done in a most foul and
pleasure seeking way?
> cont
>> God does not condone drug use.
>
> How do you know what God does or does not condone? As a matter of fact, I
> asked Him about Marijuana use and He said to me, "Dore, I don't care what
> you do, just don't put a needle into your arm".
God told me what He does and doesn't condone.
Marijuana is a definite evil sin when used for recreational pleasure.
> cont
>> If you are in a drugged state (stuppor) you are not obeying God but the
>> Devil, oh most foul one.
>>
> So Christ being a winebibber, was not obeying God? What does your state of
> mind in a drugged state have to do with obeying God? If you commit NO sins
> while in that state, then you are still obeying God.
He wasn't abusing it as you did/do. He was drinking it as a sacrament or as
a social beverage. And as a food with meals.
>> But would they trust you, a most foul drug abuser!
>
> I just said that I do NOT abuse drugs, why are you bearing false witness
> and
> sinning against me? People trust me because I am honest, loyal,
> trustworthy,
> sincere and truthful.
You said that you abuse Marijuana, therefore you are a liar, most foul one!
>> You are serving no God, you are serving yourself and the Devil, most foul
>> one.
>
> Obviously, you don't know either God, nor the Devil.
I know God and I know that you are doing the work of the Devil.
>> I am completely obedient to God, the Father has blessed me with the
>> authority and power to discern evil and you are evil, most foul one.
>
> So, you are saying that you have repented of all sin and have stopped
> sinning? You have forsaken all earthly things, denied yourself, do not
> engage in sex and hate MONEY, are pure, holy, righteous, sinless and
> blameless, and walk as Christ walked? I don't think you have been blessed
> with any authority of discernment between good and evil, because you call
> me
> evil and foul, and I am Christ.
The Father has engaged me as His authority of good and evil, and you are
evil.
>> My soul is lilly white and was touched by the hand of God.
>
> Please provide details of how you have repented of all sin and stopped
> sinning,
God forgave me and told me to "just say no".
> how you have forsaken ALL things of the earth to walk in the
> kingdom.
Yes!
>Please reveal your visions and experiences IN the spiritual realm,
> and how God has touched you.
I have visited God many times but he wishes me to keep some things
confidential.
God has touched me by giving me some of His power and authority to discern
good and evil.
John
smw
John Watson wrote:
>
> I did it all and now have been rewarded by Father a hunderfold!
Isn't it amazing how all that selflessness always turns out to be a
really good deal?
Dore
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"John Watson" <Jo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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John Watson
> YOU are a LIAR!
Father told me that you would say that!
And He knows that you are a drug abuser and evil!
John
herothatdied
>
> "Dore" <dorewil...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > "John Watson" <Jo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >> I have followed the Bible in every detail!
> >
> good and evil.
>
Shelley, so that puts you in good company - htd
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> Glenn READ Brice Taylor's BOOK or shut up!
The post responded to had NOTHING to do with some book, it had to do with
someone's DREAM, read the post, then respond
Dore
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>
> I can't tell if this is sincere or satire. I have the same problem with
> Shelley, so that puts you in good company - htd
Nothing John Watson says is true. He is a liar and a mocker.
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Dore
>
> The post responded to had NOTHING to do with some book, it had to do with
> someone's DREAM, read the post, then respond
My apologies, I thought you were discussing the ORIGINAL post.
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > The post responded to had NOTHING to do with some book, it had to do
with
> > someone's DREAM, read the post, then respond
>
> My apologies, I thought you were discussing the ORIGINAL post.
That's OK :-) no harm done
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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John Watson
> "herothatdied" <heroth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>
>> I can't tell if this is sincere or satire. I have the same problem with
>> Shelley, so that puts you in good company - htd
>
>
> Nothing John Watson says is true. He is a liar and a mocker.
And Dore is a nut case, but you knew that didn't you!
John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> "Dore" <dorewil...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > "John Watson" <Jo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >> Dore, I've asked you several times about the drugs that you do, are you
> >> trying to avoid answering me?
> >> If so why? As Jesus you can not be afraid of what people think, can
you?
> >
> > As if you are worthy of a response, I don't do any drugs, and haven't
for
> > many years. Now answer me this, what have YOU done in obedience to every
> > word of God?
>
> I have followed the Bible in every detail!
Dore, as only go by what we say, listen to what he just said, should be
heaven bound, no ?
;-)
> > And answer me this, do you think that drugs have anything to do with
OBEYING
> > GOD and DOING every word that is required, commanded, and demanded in
the
> > scriptures?
>
> Yes, only a foul one would debase her body with harmful drugs.
> God does not condone drug use.
He doesn't list such as sinful either, I suffer chronic pain, am I wrong to
be taking PERSCRIBED pain meds (chronic, meaning the pain will NEVER go
away; so I am automatically 'adicted' with the first pill, been this way
since '86, and as I become temporarily imuned, I bounce through all the
known pain / muscle-relaxaint, and back again once the imunities wear off)
I doubt very much God wants me to suffer by avoiding the GIFTS He has given
me.
> >Do you think that the spiritual realm and kingdom of God can be
> > attained by IGNORING the WORD OF GOD, walking in earthiness, sins,
> > disobedience and pretense,
>
> No, but you should stop doing just that!
LOL
> and that you can blame drugs for anyone who DOES
> > OBEY GOD?
>
> If you are in a drugged state (stuppor) you are not obeying God but the
> Devil, oh most foul one.
>
> > MY past has been revealed countless times on this usenet, and I tell you
> > this, I would trust and believe a pot smoker on their relationship with
> > God,
>
> But would they trust you, a most foul drug abuser!
>
> > then any of you Sunday, Christian denomination, HYPOCRITES, for I
already
> > KNOW that you are all APOSTATE, earthly, lovers of self, hypocrites,
> > disobedient, fake, false, shallow, superficial and pretentious.
>
> I am none of what you stated but you are! Most foul one.
So much for her judging us by our words, huh ?
> > I fear NOTHING, much less of what any HUMAN thinks of me, for I don't
SERVE
> > humans, I serve GOD.
>
> You are serving no God, you are serving yourself and the Devil, most foul
> one.
Rev.12:10-12
> > It is already apparent to me, that YOU, John Watson, has NEVER DONE
anything
> > in obedience to the WORD of GOD,
>
> I am completely obedient to God, the Father has blessed me with the
> authority and power to discern evil and you are evil, most foul one.
Now I am turning *green* :-)
> so your opinion is as worthless as your
> > HYPOCRITICAL , sinful, disobedient soul.
>
> My soul is lilly white and was touched by the hand of God.
> You being most foul, have had your soul touched by the Devil!
LOL, you are cracking me up
> John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
John Watson
Drug use, drug abuse, bad.
Prescribed medication, good!
John
John Watson
The drugs that are in existence today either did not exist or were not
common in Bible times. As a result, the Bible does not address drug use.
The Bible does tell us to avoid anything that is harmful to our bodies (1Cor
6:20) and to not get involved with anything that is addicting (1Cor 6:12;
2Pet 2:19). Drugs fail both of these tests. The Bible also tells us to
obey the laws of the country we live in (Rom 13:1-4). Drugs are illegal and
therefore we should stay away from them for that reason alone, even if they
were not also addicting and harmful to our health.
> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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>>
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> > On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 02:15:50 GMT, "Dore" <dorewil...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > You have an interesting website. America and all the kingdoms of this
> > world are under the devil's control - but not true Christians, thank
> > God!
>
> Yes, Dore is love and Jesus incarnate, She is the only true God.
You are kidding,,, right ?
> RandyM
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
John Watson
I was wondering! :) Seeing that Dore had predicted your death,
unsuccessfully I think, would Dore kill you if she thought that God told her
to?
John
>
>> RandyM
>
> Glenn (Christian Mystic)
>
>
John Watson
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>
I was wondering! :) Seeing that Dore had predicted your death,
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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> >> "Howard Duck" <hbd...@geusnet.com> wrote in message
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> >> > On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 02:15:50 GMT, "Dore" <dorewil...@verizon.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > You have an interesting website. America and all the kingdoms of
this
> >> > world are under the devil's control - but not true Christians, thank
> >> > God!
> >>
> >> Yes, Dore is love and Jesus incarnate, She is the only true God.
> >
> > You are kidding,,, right ?
>
> I was wondering! :) Seeing that Dore had predicted your death,
> unsuccessfully I think,
I was, according to her, to die of heart failure, before New Year's Day, of
2001, she knew, from myself, that my heart was failing, so it wasn't much of
a prophecy (predicting what was going to happen anyway)... What she didn't
know, my living in Houston the medical capital (more hospitals to population
ratio than ANYWHERE ELSE in the world), had me close to a fairly rare
procedure tailored to my need for an artifical-aorta-wall ! God's doing, I
am sure :-)
Note the date of my operation though 12-5-2001 LOL !!! I had lived nearly a
year after my predicted death, BEFORE needing the operation !
So I am still here
> would Dore kill you if she thought that God told her to?
She wouldn't know how to reach me.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> > After a little splash of fame or fortune, then they'll be killed off
> > and spend eternity in hell. But their numbers are increasing daily.
> > Like the French atheist-writer Voltaire, they'll feel the fires of
> > hell even before they get there.
>
> They choose to serve the devil because he lies to them and they believe
his
> lies. He claims that he is God and that the One true God is beneath him.
He
> tells them that he can never die and will throughout all eternity rule and
> reign and give power to whom he wills and he tells them that if they serve
> him, they will live forever as gods, and because the earth was given over
to
> him, at the fall of Adam, he has the power to lavish his servants with
> power, fame and riches, which he does to keep them sucked into his lies.
> Satan tells them that there is NO hell, no justice, no punishment and
they
> believe every lie he speaks. That's what gets me, is that these people,
> after KNOWING that Satan is a liar and the father of it, still believe
that
> he is telling them the truth, is loyal to them and promises them the world
> and all eternity, which he has no power to give and will stab them in the
> back at the first sign of error. They still believe Satan, even after they
> themselves, who are evil, are loyal to none, will snuff someone out at the
> slightest of offenses or ruin them and their reputations, and yet they
don't
> see the correlation that their actions ARE the same as Satan's, who will
> never be loyal to them, will snuff them out, and ruin them at the
slightest
> of error, but they refuse to believe that. How can you TRUST someone, who
> has historically and continually been distrustful and disloyal, has lied
> repeatedly and deceived with the greatest delusions and deceptions?
WOW ! This Satan that you describe, sounds strangely like.......
DORE
>To me, Satanists are beyond stupid.
Indeed
John Watson
LOL
John Watson
I was wondering why she made up that story about God over-ruling her
decision!
Now I know. LOL
>> would Dore kill you if she thought that God told her to?
>
> She wouldn't know how to reach me.
Hypothetically speaking, would she try, what do you think?
John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:10e90bm...@corp.supernews.com...
> > "John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:CnMEc.5881$wY5.1491@attbi_s54...
> >> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10e72ij...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > "RandyM" <Ran...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:zZJxc.62301$3x.61981@attbi_s54...
> >> >> "Howard Duck" <hbd...@geusnet.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:o78ec0lvroslvkpit...@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 02:15:50 GMT, "Dore"
> >> >> > <dorewil...@verizon.net>
> >> >> > wrote:
<snip>
> > I was, according to her, to die of heart failure, before New Year's Day,
of
> > 2001, she knew, from myself, that my heart was failing, so it wasn't
much of
> > a prophecy (predicting what was going to happen anyway)... What she
didn't
> > know, my living in Houston the medical capital (more hospitals to
population
> > ratio than ANYWHERE ELSE in the world), had me close to a fairly rare
> > procedure tailored to my need for an artifical-aorta-wall ! God's doing,
I
> > am sure :-)
> > Note the date of my operation though 12-5-2001 LOL !!! I had lived
nearly a
> > year after my predicted death, BEFORE needing the operation !
> > So I am still here
>
> I was wondering why she made up that story about God over-ruling her
> decision!
Yeah, He used medical science to do it :-)
> Now I know. LOL
>
> >> would Dore kill you if she thought that God told her to?
> >
> > She wouldn't know how to reach me.
>
> Hypothetically speaking, would she try, what do you think?
Not meaning to be rude, I am so unconcerned about her intent, that I see not
reason to think about it, even *hypothetically*
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Dore
>
> > Nothing John Watson says is true. He is a liar and a mocker.
>
> And Dore is a nut case, but you knew that didn't you!
>
Like I said.....
--
Dore
"John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dore
>
> Dore, as only go by what we say, listen to what he just said, should be
> heaven bound, no ?
But he is LYING Glenn.
cont
> He doesn't list such as sinful either, I suffer chronic pain, am I wrong
to
> be taking PERSCRIBED pain meds (chronic, meaning the pain will NEVER go
> away; so I am automatically 'adicted' with the first pill, been this way
> since '86, and as I become temporarily imuned, I bounce through all the
> known pain / muscle-relaxaint, and back again once the imunities wear off)
> I doubt very much God wants me to suffer by avoiding the GIFTS He has
given
> me.
>
I have to agree with you here Glenn, drugs and their use have NOTHING to do
with your choices, nor does it affect the purity or righteousness of your
soul and mind. Choosing to repent, obey, be pure, holy and righteous has
nothing to do with any chemical in your body, for what affects the soul is
the choices of sins and disobedience. It doesn't even have to be legal or
prescribed, for there are many cancer sufferers, as well as Glaucoma
sufferers out there, who indulge in marijuana use, as it relieves their
suffering, and heals them, but is not prescribed nor legal. God doesn't
submit to MAN'S laws. The problem begins with needle injections for that is
a venue that demons use to enter a body. Taking drugs doesn't mean that you
don't LOVE GOD.
cont
> If you are in a drugged state (stuppor) you are not obeying God but the
> > Devil, oh most foul one.
Not true, for sometimes it takes drugs or alcohol for a person to let down
their guards, pretense and walls to open themselves up to God in all
honesty, sincerity, and soulfulness, allowing them to cry out to Him in the
pain and suffering that they are in, without restraint. In that way, they
open themselves up for God to touch them and heal their emotional and
spiritual suffering, that caused them to drown their sorrows and escape
their pain, heartache and misery in drugs and alcohol to begin with.
--
Dore
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Dore
> Needed to add the following:
>
> The drugs that are in existence today either did not exist or were not
> common in Bible times. As a result, the Bible does not address drug use.
> The Bible does tell us to avoid anything that is harmful to our bodies
(1Cor
> 6:20) and to not get involved with anything that is addicting (1Cor 6:12;
> 2Pet 2:19). Drugs fail both of these tests. The Bible also tells us to
> obey the laws of the country we live in (Rom 13:1-4). Drugs are illegal
and
> therefore we should stay away from them for that reason alone, even if
they
> were not also addicting and harmful to our health.
Bull, marijuana was in the garden of Eden and it is NOT harmful in any way.
--
Dore
"John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dore
> I was wondering! :) Seeing that Dore had predicted your death,
> unsuccessfully I think, would Dore kill you if she thought that God told
her
> to?
No I would NOT, because I KNOW that God would never tell me to kill another
human being and I can DO no evil. I have been attacked, threatened, raped
and beaten and even then, I never lifted a finger against my assailants.
--
Dore
"John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
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John Watson
> "John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:2PpEc.2113$7t3.1492@attbi_s51...
>>
>> > Nothing John Watson says is true. He is a liar and a mocker.
>>
>> And Dore is a nut case, but you knew that didn't you!
>>
>
>
> Like I said.....
Dore, don't you like me anymore?
You must have some compassion, don't you?
John
John Watson
So it's OK for me to start drinking and do drugs?
But You, being Jesus would never need to do those things would You?
John
John Watson
>
> "John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:AwKEc.8601$IQ4.6129@attbi_s02...
>> Needed to add the following:
>>
>> The drugs that are in existence today either did not exist or were not
>> common in Bible times. As a result, the Bible does not address drug use.
>> The Bible does tell us to avoid anything that is harmful to our bodies
> (1Cor
>> 6:20) and to not get involved with anything that is addicting (1Cor 6:12;
>> 2Pet 2:19). Drugs fail both of these tests. The Bible also tells us to
>> obey the laws of the country we live in (Rom 13:1-4). Drugs are illegal
> and
>> therefore we should stay away from them for that reason alone, even if
> they
>> were not also addicting and harmful to our health.
>
> Bull, marijuana was in the garden of Eden and it is NOT harmful in any
> way.
Well... Ok, I'll try it, where can I get some?
John
John Watson
> "John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:CnMEc.5881$wY5.1491@attbi_s54...
>
>> I was wondering! :) Seeing that Dore had predicted your death,
>> unsuccessfully I think, would Dore kill you if she thought that God told
> her
>> to?
>
>
> No I would NOT, because I KNOW that God would never tell me to kill
> another
> human being and I can DO no evil. I have been attacked, threatened, raped
> and beaten and even then, I never lifted a finger against my assailants.
That's good to know!
John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:10e6dqq...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > Dore, as only go by what we say, listen to what he just said, should be
> > heaven bound, no ?
>
> But he is LYING Glenn.
>
> cont
>
> > He doesn't list such as sinful either, I suffer chronic pain, am I wrong
to
> > be taking PERSCRIBED pain meds (chronic, meaning the pain will NEVER go
> > away; so I am automatically 'adicted' with the first pill, been this way
> > since '86, and as I become temporarily imuned, I bounce through all the
> > known pain / muscle-relaxaint, and back again once the imunities wear
off)
> > I doubt very much God wants me to suffer by avoiding the GIFTS He has
given
> > me.
> >
> I have to agree with you here Glenn,
Thanks Dore
> drugs and their use have NOTHING to do
> with your choices, nor does it affect the purity or righteousness of your
> soul and mind. Choosing to repent, obey, be pure, holy and righteous has
> nothing to do with any chemical in your body, for what affects the soul is
> the choices of sins and disobedience. It doesn't even have to be legal or
> prescribed, for there are many cancer sufferers, as well as Glaucoma
> sufferers out there, who indulge in marijuana use, as it relieves their
> suffering, and heals them, but is not prescribed nor legal. God doesn't
> submit to MAN'S laws. The problem begins with needle injections for that
is
> a venue that demons use to enter a body. Taking drugs doesn't mean that
you
> don't LOVE GOD.
I agree, even the 'legal drugs' are hard to come by, I had to go through a
year of pain to qualify, even overdosed on tylonal, the strongest I was at
first allowed (because of this idiotic "War On Drugs").
It cruel, that just because some people abuse pain killers, the chronic pain
sufferers are punished.
> cont
>
> > If you are in a drugged state (stuppor) you are not obeying God but the
> > > Devil, oh most foul one.
>
> Not true, for sometimes it takes drugs or alcohol for a person to let
down
> their guards, pretense and walls to open themselves up to God in all
> honesty, sincerity, and soulfulness, allowing them to cry out to Him in
the
> pain and suffering that they are in, without restraint. In that way, they
> open themselves up for God to touch them and heal their emotional and
> spiritual suffering, that caused them to drown their sorrows and escape
> their pain, heartache and misery in drugs and alcohol to begin with.
Amen Dore ! :-) Paul, even recommended that Timothy take wine to releive
stomach problems
God didn't make junk, everything serves a purpose
> --
> Dore
> www.dorewilliamson.com
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
<snipped, old stuff>
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> "John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:CnMEc.5881$wY5.1491@attbi_s54...
>
> > I was wondering! :) Seeing that Dore had predicted your death,
> > unsuccessfully I think, would Dore kill you if she thought that God told
her
> > to?
>
> No I would NOT, because I KNOW that God would never tell me to kill
another
> human being and I can DO no evil. I have been attacked, threatened, raped
> and beaten and even then, I never lifted a finger against my assailants.
So HOW(?) are you going to handle judgment day, when Christ is to kill until
blood is to the horse's bridle ???
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Agreed, except it further proves she isn't the Christ. And also explains why
she seems to think that accusing = judgment (judgment would require her to
put many to death, literally)
> John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
John Watson
>
> "Dore" <dorewil...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:zZJFc.8940$MT5....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
>> "John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:CnMEc.5881$wY5.1491@attbi_s54...
>>
>> > I was wondering! :) Seeing that Dore had predicted your death,
>> > unsuccessfully I think, would Dore kill you if she thought that God
>> > told
> her
>> > to?
>>
>> No I would NOT, because I KNOW that God would never tell me to kill
> another
>> human being and I can DO no evil. I have been attacked, threatened, raped
>> and beaten and even then, I never lifted a finger against my assailants.
>
> So HOW(?) are you going to handle judgment day, when Christ is to kill
> until
> blood is to the horse's bridle ???
Goodness gracious, such a loving Jesus.
John
John Watson
That's not good to know, and what again is it about this Jesus guy that you
like?
John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Dore is (or thought she was) right about one thing, Christ's return, for
most living at the time, won't be pretty !
But such isn't the end of the story, for His own, Christ is VERY loving
> John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Not if you are on the wrong side of the sword anyway. Then again, if you
don't know, you are not likely to do something about it, so while we live,
before the judgment, it is a very good thing to know...
> and what again is it about this Jesus guy that you like?
There is the joy of living under His wings, in a personal relationship with
Him, and in practicing His teachings
I guess it depends on who's side you are on.
> John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
John Watson
It's nonsense Glenn.
It is contradictory of everything good that Jesus stands for, it is nothing
but the ravings of a lunatic.
You need to take "Revelation" and use it as toilet paper. No good can come
of that trash.
>
>> and what again is it about this Jesus guy that you like?
>
> There is the joy of living under His wings, in a personal relationship
> with
> Him, and in practicing His teachings
> I guess it depends on who's side you are on.
But then you can believe that he can commit the most heinous crimes and be a
debauched demon?
I'm on the side of the humans, we don't need a demon God threatening
everyone because they don't kiss his ass.
I can not believe any of it, the Bible is a book of lies, just like the
morons that think that somehow they are special because they believe the
nonsense in it.
I reject it all.
John
John Watson
So were many mass murderers when it came to their own.
Glenn, I don't see how you could believe such hate could be spewed by Jesus
onto helpless humans.
Or do you believe that you are somehow special and will be able to watch
while everyone around you is slaughered?
Could you really watch the murder and twisted, savage killing of your
friends and actually agree with it.
Luckly for us all, it is all a fairy tale. But a very sick one.
It's the ravings of a lunatic.
John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:10elq1g...@corp.supernews.com...
> > "John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:8ApGc.29847$a24.17800@attbi_s03...
> >> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10ek5vv...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > "Dore" <dorewil...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:zZJFc.8940$MT5....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> >> >> "John Watson" <J...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:CnMEc.5881$wY5.1491@attbi_s54...
<snip>
> > Dore is (or thought she was) right about one thing, Christ's return, for
> > most living at the time, won't be pretty !
> > But such isn't the end of the story, for His own, Christ is VERY loving
>
> So were many mass murderers when it came to their own.
Do you know what *murder* is ? It doesn't include all killings, be they
enmass, or not
> Glenn, I don't see how you could believe such hate could be spewed by
Jesus
> onto helpless humans.
Unlike what you claimed about me, in another post, I can't, and don't read
what I want, into, or out of, the scriptures / of Christ's prophecies.
And Jesus' actions will be justified, and nor were the victoms "helpless
humans", they will have made their own choices, and will have done as they
had thought pleasant, without regard for others
> Or do you believe that you are somehow special and will be able to watch
> while everyone around you is slaughered?
Hope you never become a hostage being rescued, but if you do, remember this
question which you just asked me.
The people around me, if the case may be, will have been evil, and causing
me &/ others undeserved pain, poverty, or other forms of suffering, and
deserving of being 'slaughtered'
> Could you really watch the murder and twisted, savage killing of your
> friends and actually agree with it.
Wrong, none of my *friends* will be *murdered*, niether will be taking
place, rather evil, and they who enjoy causing such to myself, &/ my friends
will be done away with, and the tongues in their mouths desolving with every
curse they try to throw at us.
> Luckly for us all, it is all a fairy tale. But a very sick one.
> It's the ravings of a lunatic.
>
> John
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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> John Watson wrote:
> >
> > I did it all and now have been rewarded by Father a hunderfold!
>
> Isn't it amazing how all that selflessness always turns out to be a
> really good deal?
God keeps His promises !
Mary
Tell that to Dore, she is still waiting! :)
>
>