E W Beattie
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The last time Athelas was mentioned in the Tolkien groups was July. On
July 15 in message <6ojl43$p...@newsops.execpc.com> Gary Hendrikson asked if
there was a connection between "athelas" and the Greek word "althea". The
thread was titled "Greek and Adunaic".
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them, you'll find 10 articles (plus yours and the followup Maggot posted):
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> E W Beattie wrote:
> > I am looking for some information on the origin of the term athelas, the
> > herb used in the Houses of Healing.
> > There was a post on this here about three months ago, but since the word
> > Athelas was not in the header, I can't find it under dejanews.
> > Does anyone recall what the original topic was?
> > Any help appreciated.
> > --
> > regards
> If you do a search in Deja News is will come up with any
> word you are looking forin the text of the message. Try
> doing a power search (that's a button right above the search
> box). It's possible that this person mispelled the word, so
> try a few variations, or perhaps just the first four
I was the poster, and I'm pretty sure I didn't mispell the word, but I have
no idea what subject line I used.
Athelas first appeared in the Weathertop chapter (although the name was added
in the margin of the much earlier Lay of Leithian, where Huan brings a
Christopher Tolkien and I have had an ongoing discussion about the origins of
this word. It plainly contains -las 'leaf'. It is possible (but entirely
speculative) that what Tolkien had in mind at that time (1938-39) was the Old
English word aethele 'noble, royal.' This would translate 'kingsfoil,' near
enough. At any rate, a very late note (1970 or later) says that Asea (cf.
Aragorn, 'asea aranion') was the name in Quenya, regularly adapted and
compounded with -las in Sindarin. The plant was known to the medical
loremasters of the Noldor. The root is *ATHAYA, 'helpful, kindly,
William Cloud Hicklin "And he named him craven,
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I got 3 hits with that search. Is one of them the one you're looking
> I was the poster, and I'm pretty sure I didn't mispell the word, but I have
> no idea what subject line I used.
I did however misspell 'misspell.'