Re: 20 QUestions - Raven III
Öjevind Lång
being ornery...
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> skrev i
meddelandet news:4af1dd04$0$56781$edfa...@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
> "Nautilus" <m...@privacy.net> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:me1-6BAF79.2...@news.t-online.de...
>
>> |: Ah yes. The thing I have chosen may or may not belong to all
>> |: three categories: animal, plant and mineral. It is not described
>> |: in sufficient detail, but is probably not wholly mineral.
>> |: 1. Is it a sentient being?
>> |: Absolutely not.
>> |: 2. Is it not farther south than Isengard?
>> |: It is further south than Isengard.
>> |: 3. Is it on territory controlled by Sauron at the time of the War
>> |: of the Ring?
>> |: Yes.
>> |: 4: is it breadbox-compatible?
>> |: No. Perhaps if you crumple it thoroughly enough...
>> |: 5. Is it a manufactured object?
>> |: Yes.
>> |: 6. Does it have the shape of a living being?
>> |: Only vaguely, and only by chance. I can think of one family
>> |: of life forms which vaguely resemble my object visually, and
>> |: another which does so even more vaguely.
>> |: 7. Is it mentioned in LotR?
>> |: Yes.
>> |: 8. Is it the rotating tower in Minas Morgul?
>> |: No. And I'll invite you to ponder the addendum to my answer
>> |: to question 4.
>> |: 9. Is there only one?
>> |: It is at once one of a pair and one of a multitude.
>> |: ooh, riddles! (and i've been pondering what you told us to ponder
>> |: ever since it made its impenetrable appearance).
>> |: 10. is it... foggy?
>> |: Not in the least.
>> |: 11. Does it serve any particular purpose?
>> |: I should say two purposes: one primary, one secondary. Though
>> |: when it appears in the story it serves yet a third purpose.
>> |: 12. Is it stationary?
>> |: Not at all.
>> |: 13. Is it apparel (including armour)?
>> |: Let's not beat about the bush?
>> |: 13a. Is it the orc dress Sam or Frodo wear when they leave the tower
>> |: of Cirith Ungol?
>> |: Part of it. Which part?
>
>> 14. Mostly mineral, isn't it? So is it one of the orc-helmets?
>
> Could be, but isn't. One of the orc-helmets is compatible with all my
> answers so far - except on one point in the initial information I gave.
15. Is it "a coat of stout ring-mail, short for a full-sized orc"?
�jevind
Raven
news:7ledvgF...@mid.individual.net...
No. "---may or may not belong to all three categories: animal, plant
and mineral ---".
Korppi.
Derek Broughton
> "Öjevind Lång" <bredba...@ojevind.lang> skrev i meddelelsen
A coat of ring-mail certainly _could_. It is primarily leather, covered
with steel. If the leather is sewn with vegetable thread, rather than
sinew, it would belong to all three...
--
derek
Noel Q. von Schneiffel
> Raven wrote:
> > "Öjevind Lång" <bredband....@ojevind.lang> skrev i meddelelsen
It would definitely belong to all three because orcs are messy eaters.
The coat's former owner must have slobbered and salivated and smeared
and rubbed and spit foodstuff on it: orc-flesh (animal), salted orc-
flesh (mineral) and orc flesh stew with rotten taters (vegetable). I
know of what I'm speaking. My worst friend Bqggz, the heretic and
communist orc, is such a messy eater that he is mentioned in the Kyoto
protocol because he is his homeland's second biggest source of
pollution. Let's not talk any further about this, because then *I*
would start to pollute my keyboard with my breakfast.
Also, if it is the coat, it would also "vaguely have the shape of a
living being", since mailcoats without a person in them bear a certain
resemblance to the Black Knight from Monty Python after his defeat. It
would also very vaguely resemble a sentient mailcoat.
Noel
Count Menelvagor
why are you so rude to orcs? i find their eating customs charming.
my favorite is the week-long globathon observed by the peasants of
pyromania.
Raven
> 16. Is it the belt Frodo puts on?
You're right about Frodo, but not about the belt.
Remember the answer to question 9.
Korax.
Bqggz
<noel.von.schneif...@fats.teunc.org> wrote:
>
> It would definitely belong to all three because orcs are messy eaters.
> The coat's former owner must have slobbered and salivated and smeared
> and rubbed and spit foodstuff on it: orc-flesh (animal), salted orc-
> flesh (mineral) and orc flesh stew with rotten taters (vegetable). I
> know of what I'm speaking. My worst friend Bqggz, the heretic and
> communist orc, is such a messy eater that he is mentioned in the Kyoto
> protocol because he is his homeland's second biggest source of
> pollution. Let's not talk any further about this, because then *I*
> would start to pollute my keyboard with my breakfast.
Amazing. You cannot even play a funny guessing game with your friends
without descending into personal insults about me. I hope the others
around here realize the irony - a complaint about something falling
out of my mouth, from someone who keeps spitting bile in my direction
with every word he utters.
And I won't even mention your actual salivating whenever you are in a
drug trance (that is, about sixteen hours daily). But I bet you don't
even notice that, do you? Your mind is far away when you do that,
wandering through unchartered dimensions (probably nr.22 and 23 in the
string theoretician's list). I wonder what you're seeing up there that
makes your mouth water so much? A multi-dimensional English breakfast?
Bqggz
Raven
> |: Ah yes. The thing I have chosen may or may not belong to all
> |: three categories: animal, plant and mineral. It is not described
> |: in sufficient detail, but is probably not wholly mineral.
I do not expect the shields to be all metal. They could be made
primarily of wood, or leather. A small buckler might be all metal, but
Frodo's orc-shield was larger than that.
> |: 1. Is it a sentient being?
> |: Absolutely not.
> |: 2. Is it not farther south than Isengard?
> |: It is further south than Isengard.
While we see the shield it travels from the tower of Cirith Ungol to the
Isenmouthe and then a little south again before Frodo gets rid of it. The
whole journey takes place south of the parallel that Isengard straddles.
> |: 3. Is it on territory controlled by Sauron at the time of the War
> |: of the Ring?
> |: Yes.
> |: 4: is it breadbox-compatible?
> |: No. Perhaps if you crumple it thoroughly enough...
By this I mean that perhaps the volume of the shield is smaller than that
of a breadbox. I certainly wouldn't expect the shield to fit without a
certain amount of re-shaping - such as being crumpled by someone very
strong ---
> |: 5. Is it a manufactured object?
> |: Yes.
> |: 6. Does it have the shape of a living being?
> |: Only vaguely, and only by chance. I can think of one family
> |: of life forms which vaguely resemble my object visually, and
> |: another which does so even more vaguely.
Vaguely: jellyfish. More vaguely: mushrooms.
> : 7. Is it mentioned in LotR?
> |: Yes.
> |: 8. Is it the rotating tower in Minas Morgul?
> |: No. And I'll invite you to ponder the addendum to my answer
> |: to question 4.
> |: 9. Is there only one?
> |: It is at once one of a pair and one of a multitude.
Thousands of them, and Frodo and Sam took one each.
> |: ooh, riddles! (and i've been pondering what you told us to ponder
> |: ever since it made its impenetrable appearance).
> |: 10. is it... foggy?
> |: Not in the least.
> |: 11. Does it serve any particular purpose?
> |: I should say two purposes: one primary, one secondary. Though
> |: when it appears in the story it serves yet a third purpose.
Primary purpose: to ward off strokes of the enemy in battle. Secondary
purpose: as part of the uniform of the orc-soldier. Third purpose:
disguising Frodo.
> |: 12. Is it stationary?
> |: Not at all.
> |: 13. Is it apparel (including armour)?
> |: Let's not beat about the bush?
> |: 13a. Is it the orc dress Sam or Frodo wear when they leave the tower
> |: of Cirith Ungol?
> |: Part of it. Which part?
> |: 14. Mostly mineral, isn't it? So is it one of the orc-helmets?
> |: Could be, but isn't. One of the orc-helmets is compatible with all my
> |: answers so far - except on one point in the initial information I gave.
I expect a helmet to be either all metal, or metal hoops covered with
leather. Perhaps leather chin strap. The vegetable kingdom I expect to be
little represented, but perhaps I know too little of helmets. :-)
> |: 15. Is it "a coat of stout ring-mail, short for a full-sized orc"?
> |: No. "---may or may not belong to all three categories: animal,
> |: plant and mineral ---".
When I read ring-mail I envision pure metal rings. Perhaps I was wrong
to rule out leather with rings sewn on, like the one of Farmer Giles of Ham.
> |: 16. Is it the belt Frodo puts on?
> |: You're right about Frodo, but not about the belt.
> |: Remember the answer to question 9.
> 17. Is it Frodo's orc-shield?
You win. I'll put in some comments to some of the answers I gave.
Kirina.
Derek Broughton
>> |: 15. Is it "a coat of stout ring-mail, short for a full-sized orc"?
>> |: No. "---may or may not belong to all three categories: animal,
>> |: plant and mineral ---".
>
> When I read ring-mail I envision pure metal rings. Perhaps I was wrong
> to rule out leather with rings sewn on, like the one of Farmer Giles of
> Ham.
Ring-mail, aiui, is always a leather jerkin with rings attached to it. The
rings generally are not interlaced, they're primarily held together by being
attached to the leather, unlikely chain which makes a stand-alone garment.
--
derek
Nautilus
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote:
I'm very happy, of course. Bill O'Meally's question about the object
being stationary or not was the clue!
What are the rules? Should I choose an object or a person and start a
fresh thread?
Bill O'Meally
> I'm very happy, of course. Bill O'Meally's question about the object
> being stationary or not was the clue!
Glad I was of help. I, for one, was clue-LESS! :-)
--
Bill
"Wise fool."
Gandalf _The Two Towers_
(The Wise will remove 'se' to reach me. The Foolish will not!)
Dirk Thierbach
> What are the rules? Should I choose an object or a person and start a
> fresh thread?
Yep. Make sure you crosspost both to aft and rabt. Start with the
animal/vegetable/mineral kingdom info.
And for the record, I was totally clueless about the Orc-gear. Good
question, Raven :-)
- Dirk
John Whistler
He was never defeated. It was a draw!
John.