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Clams Canino

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Feb 6, 2010, 6:40:49 PM2/6/10
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> > 4. Breadbox question.
> > Yes.

Is the question:

A: Will it fit into a breadbox?

B: Is it bigger than a breadbox?

-W ( I tend to think "A" - but I'm befuddled.)

Raven

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"Clams Canino" <cc-m...@earthdink.net> skrev i meddelelsen
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>> > 4. Breadbox question.
>> > Yes.

> Is the question:

Then don't be befuddled. You are right. It is A.

Hraban.

TT Arvind

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Feb 6, 2010, 7:54:20 PM2/6/10
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On Feb 7, 12:32 am, "Raven"
<jon.lennart.beck.its.my.n...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote:
> "Clams Canino" <cc-mar...@earthdink.net> skrev i meddelelsennews:VfydnaiApbnaY_DW...@earthlink.com...

>
> >> > 4. Breadbox question.
> >> > Yes.
> > Is the question:
> > A: Will it fit into a breadbox?
> > B: Is it bigger than a breadbox?
> > -W ( I tend to think "A" - but I'm befuddled.)
>
>    Then don't be befuddled.  You are right.  It is A.

In theory, there is also C: Is it a breadbox?

--
Arvind

Bill O'Meally

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Feb 6, 2010, 7:54:49 PM2/6/10
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Is it? The traditional question is "is it bigger than a breadbox?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadbox

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Bill
"Wise fool."
Gandalf _The Two Towers_
(The Wise will remove 'se' to reach me. The Foolish will not!)


Raven

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> Raven wrote:

>> "Clams Canino" <cc-m...@earthdink.net> skrev i meddelelsen
>> news:VfydnaiApbnaY_DW...@earthlink.com...

>>> Is the question:

>>> A: Will it fit into a breadbox?

>>> B: Is it bigger than a breadbox?

>>> -W ( I tend to think "A" - but I'm befuddled.)

>> Then don't be befuddled. You are right. It is A.

> Is it? The traditional question is "is it bigger than a breadbox?"

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadbox

Then I have been mistaken. But I seem to remember that the question as
first put in some of the 20 questions threads was of the A variety.
<checks>
Oops.

Hrafn.

Clams Canino

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Feb 6, 2010, 10:12:38 PM2/6/10
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"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message

>>>> A: Will it fit into a breadbox?
>
>>>> B: Is it bigger than a breadbox?
>
>>>> -W ( I tend to think "A" - but I'm befuddled.)
>
>>> Then don't be befuddled. You are right. It is A.
>
>> Is it? The traditional question is "is it bigger than a breadbox?"
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadbox
>
> Then I have been mistaken. But I seem to remember that the question as
> first put in some of the 20 questions threads was of the A variety.

OK... So I stand befuddled for good reason after all.

I do agree that the way it's been used here seems (to me) to be more A.
Unlike "the Elvish answer", I feel "the breadbox question" needs more
articulation in the future.

-W


Derek Broughton

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Feb 7, 2010, 9:49:15 AM2/7/10
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Raven wrote:

We did discuss this earlier - and the general consensus seemed to be that to
the British and North American readers it's "bigger than a breadbox", but
for some reason the Europeans expect the reverse. I wonder how many of us
have ever used a breadbox...
--
derek

Raven

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Feb 7, 2010, 11:51:35 AM2/7/10
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> I wonder how many of us have ever used a breadbox...

I have. Not recently.

Ramn.

TT Arvind

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Feb 7, 2010, 12:18:21 PM2/7/10
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On Feb 7, 2:49 pm, Derek Broughton <de...@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>  I wonder how many of us have ever used a breadbox...

Well, I last used our (wooden) breadbox about three minutes ago...

--
Arvind

Öjevind Lång

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"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> skrev i
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We had one when I was a child - many years ago.

�jevind

Noel Q. von Schneiffel

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Feb 7, 2010, 1:44:19 PM2/7/10
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On 7 Feb., 18:31, Öjevind Lång <ojevind.l...@bredband.net> wrote:
> "Raven" <jon.lennart.beck.its.my.n...@mail.its.in.danmark> skrev i
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> > "Derek Broughton" <de...@pointerstop.ca> skrev i meddelelsen
> >news:bg0347-...@morgen.pointerstop.ca...
>
> >> I wonder how many of us have ever used a breadbox...
>
> >   I have.  Not recently.
>
> We had one when I was a child - many years ago.

My parents used to lock me in a breadbox when I did something bad. I
definitely fit in there. I was a very small child. But it wasn't so
bad. There was always a warm loaf of bread to hug when I was afraid of
the dark in there. *sniff*

Noel

Raven

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> My parents used to lock me in a breadbox when I did something bad. I
> definitely fit in there. I was a very small child. But it wasn't so
> bad. There was always a warm loaf of bread to hug when I was afraid of
> the dark in there. *sniff*

And to eat, if they forgot to let you out.

Voron.

John W Kennedy

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Feb 7, 2010, 4:41:27 PM2/7/10
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Ditto here in the US. Old, even then (the 1950s), but new enough to
have a bakelite latch handle. Sliced bread from the supermarket was
already the norm, then, but it was usually wrapped in waxed paper,
rather than cellophane or plastic.

--
John W Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"

Baron M. Bogusz

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Feb 7, 2010, 8:25:24 PM2/7/10
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On Feb 7, 2:51 pm, "Raven"
<jon.lennart.beck.its.my.n...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote:
> "Noel Q. von Schneiffel" <noel.von.schneif...@fats.teunc.org> skrev i
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>
> > My parents used to lock me in a breadbox when I did something bad. I
> > definitely fit in there. I was a very small child. But it wasn't so
> > bad. There was always a warm loaf of bread to hug when I was afraid of
> > the dark in there. *sniff*
>
>    And to eat, if they forgot to let you out.
>
> Voron.


Nő wonder he ended űp nőt qűite right. BTW, yőűr name "Voron" looksz
Magyar.

Derek Broughton

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Feb 7, 2010, 10:16:59 PM2/7/10
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John W Kennedy wrote:

> On 2010-02-07 12:31:56 -0500, Öjevind Lång said:
>
>> "Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> skrev i
>> meddelandet news:4b6eefb7$0$56796$edfa...@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>>> "Derek Broughton" <de...@pointerstop.ca> skrev i meddelelsen >
>>> news:bg0347-...@morgen.pointerstop.ca...
>>>
>>>> I wonder how many of us have ever used a breadbox...
>>>
>>> I have. Not recently.
>>
>> We had one when I was a child - many years ago.
>
> Ditto here in the US. Old, even then (the 1950s), but new enough to
> have a bakelite latch handle.

Doesn't bakelite practically scream "1950s!" ?

I _think_ we had one, but I really can't be certain I'm not remembering
somebody else's kitchen.
--
derek

Clams Canino

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Feb 8, 2010, 9:07:10 AM2/8/10
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"Derek Broughton" <de...@pointerstop.ca> wrote in message news:bac447-

> Doesn't bakelite practically scream "1950s!" ?
>
> I _think_ we had one, but I really can't be certain I'm not remembering
> somebody else's kitchen.

Yes it does... though I think bakelite's influence extends back to the
"art-deco" era of the 30's 40's.
I'm quite sure we had one in the very early 60's - but I was way too short
to reach the counter. :)

Not to change the subject - but my earliest memory is of being bathed in the
kitchen sink by my mother and discovering what happens when little grasping
fingers pull on the drain plug. I'm not sure anymore if it's a memory or a
"memory of a memory". And that's strange in and of itself.

-W


Raven

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Feb 8, 2010, 11:06:00 AM2/8/10
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"Baron M. Bogusz" <bog...@fats.teunc.org> skrev i meddelelsen
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> Nő wonder he ended űp nőt qűite right. BTW, yőűr name "Voron" looksz
> Magyar.

I have been told that it is Russian for "raven".

Holló.

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Raven

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> What? I thought you were fluent in all those languages. (Or was your
> answer tongue in cheek?)

On these NGs I reckon only the Entman is fluent in as many languages as I
know the word for 'raven' in. I am fluent in several Scand dialects and in
English - the latter at least in writing. I can follow much of Rammstein's
lyrics in German when I make an effort - they certainly make an effort to
sing with a clear diction, which other bands could learn from. I know a
smattering of other languages, including Ajacai, which is not all that
impressive considering I devised that.

Eware.

Paul S. Person

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Feb 8, 2010, 1:01:32 PM2/8/10
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On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:49:15 -0400, Derek Broughton
<de...@pointerstop.ca> wrote:

<snippo>

>We did discuss this earlier - and the general consensus seemed to be that to
>the British and North American readers it's "bigger than a breadbox", but
>for some reason the Europeans expect the reverse. I wonder how many of us
>have ever used a breadbox...

Perhaps they are two different things.

A lot of others are posting as if breadboxes were something that went
out of style in the 60's. Perhaps so, in Europe.

Here in the USA I have a breadbox in my kitchen. It is 17" long, 9.5"
high, and 11" deep. It has a shelf inside, producing two compartments
stacked on top of each other. It appears to be metal with an enamal
coating. The clasp is magnetic, so at least some of the metal is
ferrous, possibly all of it.

I'm not sure how long we've had it. Certainly since 1983, possibly
much earlier.

What were the European bread boxes like?
--
Nature must be explained in
her own terms through
the experience of our senses.

TT Arvind

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Feb 8, 2010, 5:32:32 PM2/8/10
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On Feb 8, 6:01 pm, Paul S. Person <psper...@ix.netscom.com.invalid>
wrote:

> A lot of others are posting as if breadboxes were something that went
> out of style in the 60's. Perhaps so, in Europe.

They're still reasonably common in the UK. Most shops which sell
kitchenware stock them. They do seem to be somewhat rarer in
Scandinavia nowadays, although at least one of my in-laws has one. I
don't know about the rest of Continental Europe.

> Here in the USA I have a breadbox in my kitchen. It is 17" long, 9.5"
> high, and 11" deep. It has a shelf inside, producing two compartments
> stacked on top of each other. It appears to be metal with an enamal
> coating. The clasp is magnetic, so at least some of the metal is
> ferrous, possibly all of it.

Ours is about the same size - 16'' long, 10'' high and 11'' deep,
tapering a bit towards the top (it's trapezoid in shape). It's
wooden, has a magnetic clasp and lacks a shelf.

--
Arvind

John W Kennedy

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On 2010-02-07 22:16:59 -0500, Derek Broughton said:

> John W Kennedy wrote:


>
>> On 2010-02-07 12:31:56 -0500, �jevind L�ng said:
>>
>>> "Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> skrev i
>>> meddelandet news:4b6eefb7$0$56796$edfa...@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>>>> "Derek Broughton" <de...@pointerstop.ca> skrev i meddelelsen >
>>>> news:bg0347-...@morgen.pointerstop.ca...
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how many of us have ever used a breadbox...
>>>>
>>>> I have. Not recently.
>>>
>>> We had one when I was a child - many years ago.
>>
>> Ditto here in the US. Old, even then (the 1950s), but new enough to
>> have a bakelite latch handle.
>
> Doesn't bakelite practically scream "1950s!" ?

If you're old enough to actually remember the 1950s, it screams "1930s!"

--
John W Kennedy
"I want everybody to be smart. As smart as they can be. A world of
ignorant people is too dangerous to live in."
-- Garson Kanin. "Born Yesterday"

Derek Broughton

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John W Kennedy wrote:

> On 2010-02-07 22:16:59 -0500, Derek Broughton said:
>
>> John W Kennedy wrote:
>>

>>> On 2010-02-07 12:31:56 -0500, Öjevind Lång said:
>>>
>>>> "Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> skrev i
>>>> meddelandet news:4b6eefb7$0$56796$edfa...@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>>>>> "Derek Broughton" <de...@pointerstop.ca> skrev i meddelelsen >
>>>>> news:bg0347-...@morgen.pointerstop.ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how many of us have ever used a breadbox...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have. Not recently.
>>>>
>>>> We had one when I was a child - many years ago.
>>>
>>> Ditto here in the US. Old, even then (the 1950s), but new enough to
>>> have a bakelite latch handle.
>>
>> Doesn't bakelite practically scream "1950s!" ?
>
> If you're old enough to actually remember the 1950s, it screams "1930s!"

Ah, no :-) I _may_ have a memory of the 50's, but nothing that I can
clearly say was pre-1960 (and most of my earliest memories include my
brother, which means post-1960).
--
derek

Jette Goldie

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Mine is wooden, about 18 inches long by 12 inches deep and 10 inches
high, with a curved front door and a small flat area on top, just the
right size for a cat to sit on.


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Raven

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> just the right size for a cat to sit on.

Most things are. :-)

Corbie.

Troels Forchhammer

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Feb 9, 2010, 6:41:25 PM2/9/10
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In message <news:hkskl0$ijj$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
Jette Goldie <jgold...@btinternet.com> spoke these staves:
>
> TT Arvind wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 8, 6:01 pm, Paul S. Person
>> <psper...@ix.netscom.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here in the USA I have a breadbox in my kitchen. It is 17" long,
>>> 9.5" high, and 11" deep. It has a shelf inside, producing two
>>> compartments stacked on top of each other. It appears to be
>>> metal with an enamal coating. The clasp is magnetic, so at least
>>> some of the metal is ferrous, possibly all of it.
>>
>> Ours is about the same size - 16'' long, 10'' high and 11'' deep,
>> tapering a bit towards the top (it's trapezoid in shape). It's
>> wooden, has a magnetic clasp and lacks a shelf.
>
> Mine is wooden, about 18 inches long by 12 inches deep and 10
> inches high, with a curved front door and a small flat area on
> top, just the right size for a cat to sit on.

Well, if you want to compare sizes . . . :-)

Ours is 45 cm long, 16.5 cm high and 25 cm deep (18" x 7" x 10") and
metallic (I believe some kind of light-weight magnetic alloy), but we
could do with a larger one, having four teenagers in the house and all
that (or, to be completely honest, three teenage boys and one 11 years
old girl) :-)

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John W Kennedy

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On 2010-02-09 18:41:25 -0500, Troels Forchhammer said:

> In message <news:hkskl0$ijj$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
> Jette Goldie <jgold...@btinternet.com> spoke these staves:
>>
>> TT Arvind wrote:
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 6:01 pm, Paul S. Person
>>> <psper...@ix.netscom.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here in the USA I have a breadbox in my kitchen. It is 17" long,
>>>> 9.5" high, and 11" deep. It has a shelf inside, producing two
>>>> compartments stacked on top of each other. It appears to be
>>>> metal with an enamal coating. The clasp is magnetic, so at least
>>>> some of the metal is ferrous, possibly all of it.
>>>
>>> Ours is about the same size - 16'' long, 10'' high and 11'' deep,
>>> tapering a bit towards the top (it's trapezoid in shape). It's
>>> wooden, has a magnetic clasp and lacks a shelf.
>>
>> Mine is wooden, about 18 inches long by 12 inches deep and 10
>> inches high, with a curved front door and a small flat area on
>> top, just the right size for a cat to sit on.
>
> Well, if you want to compare sizes . . . :-)
>
> Ours is 45 cm long, 16.5 cm high and 25 cm deep (18" x 7" x 10") and
> metallic (I believe some kind of light-weight magnetic alloy), but we
> could do with a larger one, having four teenagers in the house and all
> that (or, to be completely honest, three teenage boys and one 11 years
> old girl) :-)

The one we had when I was a child was metal -- tin, I fancy -- with
"enamel" paint (red on the outside, white on the inside), and cubical,
roughly 15" (38 cm).

--
John W Kennedy
"But now is a new thing which is very old--
that the rich make themselves richer and not poorer,
which is the true Gospel, for the poor's sake."
-- Charles Williams. "Judgement at Chelmsford"

Dirk Thierbach

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Feb 10, 2010, 3:55:12 AM2/10/10
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>>> TT Arvind wrote:

The ones you can get here are about the same size as Troels'. There
are various types of materials (wood, plastic, metal with some sort of
coating). No shelves (that would make it impossible to put a loaf inside
in the first place). The front is usually curved, so the top is
smaller, and I doubt a cat would be comfortable sitting on one (and in
my experience, cats usually prefer warm and/or soft surfaces, like
radiators, blankets, or human bodies :-).

So it looks like the sizes are quite similar.

- Dirk

Tamf Moo

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Feb 11, 2010, 3:16:11 AM2/11/10
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On 09/02/10 23:41, Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> could do with a larger one, having four teenagers in the house and all
> that (or, to be completely honest, three teenage boys and one 11 years
> old girl) :-)

eating you out of the house, is she?

--
tamf

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a bull rat each over the lake. (Rorschach tests seen by "Illogic")

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