20 Questions (Clams III)
Clams Canino
Note: There never was a Clams II because I abdicated my Stewardship and
passed on my turn. However, being once again "up" - I kind of like the ring
of Clams III :)
The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
Raven
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> Note: There never was a Clams II because I abdicated my Stewardship and
> passed on my turn. However, being once again "up" - I kind of like the
> ring of Clams III :)
By that token my last thread should have been Raven (V). :-)
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
1. (One or more) living creatures?
K�kam.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
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NO
Raven
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> NO
2. A manufactured item?
Br�n.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
YES
Raven
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> NO
> 2. A manufactured item?
> YES
3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
Rabe.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
The Elvish Answer
Clams Canino
"Nautilus" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:1jb1e71.1ek6nmb1orghauN%>
> >
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
1. (One or more) living creatures?
NO
2. A manufactured item?
YES
3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
The Elvish Answer
4. Does it appear in the LotR?
NO
Raven
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> NO
> 2. A manufactured item?
> YES
> 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> The Elvish Answer
> 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> NO
5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
Corbie.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
Clams Canino
"Nautilus" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:1jb1f1l.owty1v17v8n28N%
The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
1. (One or more) living creatures?
NO
2. A manufactured item?
YES
3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
The Elvish Answer
4. Does it appear in the LotR?
NO
5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
YES
6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
YES
-W (headed out for a while)
Raven
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> NO
> 2. A manufactured item?
> YES
> 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> The Elvish Answer
> 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> NO
> 5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
> YES
> 6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
> YES
7. Of Elvish manufacture?
Corbeau.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
Troels Forchhammer
"Clams Canino" <cc-m...@earthdink.net> spoke these staves:
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> NO
> 2. A manufactured item?
> YES
> 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> The Elvish Answer
> 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> NO
> 5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
> YES
> 6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
> YES
> 7. Of Elvish manufacture?
> YES
Manufactured before the fall of Thangorodrim in the War of Wrath?
--
Troels Forchhammer <troelsfo(a)googlewave.com>
Valid e-mail is <troelsfo(a)gmail.com>
Please put [AFT], [RABT] or 'Tolkien' in subject.
One who cannot cast away a treasure at need is in fetters.
- Aragorn "Strider", /Two Towers/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
Raven
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> NO
> 2. A manufactured item?
> YES
> 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> The Elvish Answer
> 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> NO
> 5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
> YES
> 6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
> YES
> 7. Of Elvish manufacture?
> YES
8. Noldorin?
Raaf.
Clams Canino
"Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote in message
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> In message <news:6fKdnSiWgpyODrPW...@earthlink.com>
> "Clams Canino" <cc-m...@earthdink.net> spoke these staves:
>
> > The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> > 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> > NO
> > 2. A manufactured item?
> > YES
> > 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> > The Elvish Answer
> > 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> > NO
> > 5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
> > YES
> > 6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
> > YES
> > 7. Of Elvish manufacture?
> > YES
>> YES
>> 9. Noldorin?
>> NO
Raven
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> NO
> 2. A manufactured item?
> YES
> 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> The Elvish Answer
> 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> NO
> 5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
> YES
> 6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
> YES
> 7. Of Elvish manufacture?
> YES
> 8. Manufactured before the fall of Thangorodrim in the War of Wrath?
> YES
> 9. Noldorin?
> NO
Manufactured in Middle-earth, ie. East of the Great Sea?
Korppi.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
> "Clams Canino" <cc-m...@earthdink.net> skrev i meddelelsen
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>
> > The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> > 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> > NO
> > 2. A manufactured item?
> > YES
> > 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> > The Elvish Answer
> > 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> > NO
> > 5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
> > YES
> > 6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
> > YES
> > 7. Of Elvish manufacture?
> > YES
> > 8. Manufactured before the fall of Thangorodrim in the War of Wrath?
> > YES
> > 9. Noldorin?
> > NO
>> YES
Raven
> The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> NO
> 2. A manufactured item?
> YES
> 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> The Elvish Answer
> 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> NO
> 5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
> YES
> 6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
> YES
> 7. Of Elvish manufacture?
> YES
> 8. Manufactured before the fall of Thangorodrim in the War of Wrath?
> YES
> 9. Noldorin?
> NO
> 10. Manufactured in Middle-earth, ie. East of the Great Sea?
> YES
11. In Doriath?
Voron.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
Andy Cooke
12. Was its main notable use in the mythology to change the appearance
of the wearer?
Clams Canino
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Andy Cooke
13. The bat-fell of Thuringwethil?
--
Andy Cooke
Andy Cooke
14. The wolf-hame of Draugluin?
(Is it a bit cheeky to set up two questions at once? NB - that's not
one of the twenty ... :-) )
--
Andy Cooke
Clams Canino
Clams Canino
>>>>>>> 14. The wolf-hame of Draugluin?
>>>>>>>>14A. Is it a bit cheeky to set up two questions at once?
>>>>>>>>YES (And you got burned *only* because you forgot narrow down what
book I was working from before closing in for the kill)
Raven
15. Did one or more Men get in contact with it?
Corvo.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
Raven
16. Are we told of its destruction?
Raaf.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
Raven
17. Did it move far (ie. from one named landscape to another) between its
making and its destruction?
Voron.
Clams Canino
"Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote in message
Clams Canino
"Clams Canino" <cc-m...@earthdink.net> wrote in message
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I feel the need to point out: For those with eyes to see.... questions 12
thru 15 together provide a sort of riddle that, if solved, can lead only to
the one answer.
-W
Raven
18. The book mentioned in the answer to 14A, was it published in Tolkien's
lifetime?
Rabe.
Andy Cooke
answer to 15, then the implication is that the user was not a Man in the
book in 14A but was in other books. Which leads me to think of Beren in
Lost Tales 2. Strengthened by 12 being YES and 13/14 being NO (and 14A
being underlined) So ..
19: The fell of Oikeroi?
P.S. Had to set up 2 at once (13/14) 'cos I was off to bed - and had I
been right in it being one of those two and wrong in my 50-50 guess, I'd
have looked rather dumb. Sorry.
--
Andy Cooke
Clams Canino
NO
> okay. -ponders- If the answer to 14A (the specific book) requires the
> answer to 15, then the implication is that the user was not a Man in the
> book in 14A but was in other books. Which leads me to think of Beren in
> Lost Tales 2. Strengthened by 12 being YES and 13/14 being NO (and 14A
> being underlined) So ..
>
> 19: The fell of Oikeroi?
> YES! (More correctly - The disguise made from the fell of Oikeroi.)
> P.S. Had to set up 2 at once (13/14) 'cos I was off to bed - and had I
> been right in it being one of those two and wrong in my 50-50 guess, I'd
> have looked rather dumb. Sorry.
I myself have won or lost a few of these on a 50/50 (or 1out of 3) guess.
I'm of the thought that you take one guess and leave it up to providence.
As it was, I was amused that you tried to cover *both* guesses and still
missed the target. (Only because no one asked when it was published, or
anything to identify the book.)
So... as the winner.... I now dub you Sir Cheeky I
-W (walks away giggling)
Rebecca
<jon.lennart.beck.its.my.n...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote:
> "Clams Canino" <cc-mar...@earthdink.net> skrev i meddelelsennews:X7WdnRpY04soua3W...@earthlink.com...
May we please have the answer to question 18 separately, and with a
time gap for people to think before question 19. I don't think
cascading questions, after being told it was inappropriate, is fair to
every one else, and getting the answer to 18 may branch an entirely
different question 19.
Rebecca, who is also full of ideas, but trying to approach this
systematically.
Andy Cooke
Apologies. I've only just returned to the newsgroup and I appear to
have been rather overenthusiastic. Mea culpa.
Sorry.
--
Andy Cooke
Clams Canino
"Rebecca" <rscu...@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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May we please have the answer to question 18 separately, and with a
time gap for people to think before question 19. I don't think
cascading questions, after being told it was inappropriate, is fair to
every one else, and getting the answer to 18 may branch an entirely
different question 19.
________________________________
Bt the time I saw this, I had already answered 18 and 19. That said.. by
the time I saw 18 at all, the winning answer 19 was already on the board as
well. My pausing after answering 18 could not have changed the fact that it
was there.
A agree that cascading questions is a bad idea. Andy however, was "all over
it" from the time he asked question #12. He knew the answer... just not
the right book.
Andy was indeed "punished" for cascading 13 and 14.
To anyone else, I might well have let he "wolf-hame of Draugluin" pass as
correct while explaining that I was actually thinking of the earlier version
of the story with the cat pelt, but "close enough".
I did not give Andy the benifit of that doubt *only* becasue he did cascade
13 and 14 in an effort "to cover both bases". Charity failed me, and from
him I wanted only the totally correct answer.
But Andy was still hot on the trail, and thinking down the correct lines. I
had no doubt that while my lack of charity cost him a question... that he
would come right back to Beren again soon enoughand nail it. And he did.
I actually posted that little blurb about "eyes to see"... to give someone
else a chance to beat him. I knew what tree he was barking at already.
:))
-W
Rebecca
> "Rebecca" <rscud...@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
Fair enough :)
If the winning answer is there, it is the winning answer. And I can
see if you think you are hot on the trail and narrowed it down to an
answer with your last question. you'd like to give the correct answer
before anyone else follows down the same chain of reasoning.
But I put in a plea for a question to be answered before anyone fires
off another question.
Rebecca
Clams Canino
> > The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> > 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> > NO - The disguise was quite dead, the dead eyes were an issue
> > 2. A manufactured item?
> > YES - Made by Tinuviel with all her skill and magic.
> > 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> > The Elvish Answer - Only Beren owned the disguse, but Huan and Oikeroi
both once held a claim on it.
> > 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> > NO Enough said
> > 5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
> > YES His early works of the mythology.
> > 6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
> > YES - Indeed it does
> > 7. Of Elvish manufacture?
> > YES - Yes, Tinuviel made the disguise, and was Elvish.
> > 8. Manufactured before the fall of Thangorodrim in the War of Wrath?
> > YES - well before
> > 9. Noldorin?
> > NO - Tinuviel (and later Luthien) were not of the Noldar
> > 10. Manufactured in Middle-earth, ie. East of the Great Sea?
> > YES - Enough Said
> > 11. In Doriath?
> > NO - Well north of Doriath
> > 12. Was its main notable use in the mythology to change the appearance
> > of the wearer?
> > YES - It was indeed a disguise
> > 13. The bat-fell of Thuringwethil?
> > NO - So much for the 50/50 guess.
> > 14. The wolf-hame of Draugluin?
> > NO - And I had no charity or I would have said something here.
> >14A. Is it a bit cheeky to set up two questions at once?
> >YES (And you got burned *only* because you forgot narrow down what
> > book I was working from before closing in for the kill)
>> A major clue.... I was concerned that a "No" to #14 would totally derail
the event.
> > 15. Did one or more Men get in contact with it?
> > NO ( I have to say NO *only* based on my answer to 14A)
>> And yet another clue.... right answer - wrong book.
> > 16. Are we told of its destruction?
> > YES - Beren tore asunder his disguise
> > 17. Did it move far (ie. from one named landscape to another) between
> > its making and its destruction?
> > NO - It was made, used, and destroyed in the vicinity of Angamandi
> 18. The book mentioned in the answer to 14A, was it published in Tolkien's
> lifetime?
> > NO - But by the time I could answer this, Andy was awake and back on the
trail where he left off. Q. #19 was more or less the correct answer.
-W
Clams Canino
> > The item in question is Animal. You may inquire at will.
> > 1. (One or more) living creatures?
> > NO - The disguise was quite dead, the dead eyes were an issue
> > 2. A manufactured item?
> > YES - Made by Tinuviel with all her skill and magic.
> > 3. Owned by one or more other than the maker(s)?
> > The Elvish Answer - Only Beren owned the disguse, but Huan and Oikeroi
both once held a claim on it.
> > 4. Does it appear in the LotR?
> > NO Enough said
> > 5. Does it appear in Tolkien's general mythology?
> > YES His early works of the mythology.
> > 6. Does it appear before the Third Age?
> > YES - Indeed it does
> > 7. Of Elvish manufacture?
> > YES - Yes, Tinuviel made the disguise, and was Elvish.
> > 8. Manufactured before the fall of Thangorodrim in the War of Wrath?
> > YES - well before
> > 9. Noldorin?
> > NO - Tinuviel (and later Luthien) were not of the Noldar
> > 10. Manufactured in Middle-earth, ie. East of the Great Sea?
> > YES - Enough Said
> > 11. In Doriath?
> > NO - Well north of Doriath
> > 12. Was its main notable use in the mythology to change the appearance
> > of the wearer?
> > YES - It was indeed a disguise
> > 13. The bat-fell of Thuringwethil?
> > NO - So much for the 50/50 guess.
> > 14. The wolf-hame of Draugluin?
> > NO - And I had no charity or I would have said something here.
> >14A. Is it a bit cheeky to set up two questions at once?
> >YES (And you got burned *only* because you forgot narrow down what
> > book I was working from before closing in for the kill)
>> A major clue.... I was concerned that a "No" to #14 would totally derail
the event.
> > 15. Did one or more Men get in contact with it?
> > NO ( I have to say NO *only* based on my answer to 14A)
>> And yet another clue.... right answer - wrong book.
> > 16. Are we told of its destruction?
> > YES - Beren tore asunder his disguise
> > 17. Did it move far (ie. from one named landscape to another) between
> > its making and its destruction?
> > NO - It was made, used, and destroyed in the vicinity of Angamandi
> 18. The book mentioned in the answer to 14A, was it published in Tolkien's
> lifetime?