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te...@spainhour.com

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Apr 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/21/99
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When I was a child (I'm 44 now), I read a series of children's books about a
wise Chinese judge and some of the cases that were brought to him. Now I
cannot remember the judge's name and cannot locate the books. Let me tell
you one of the stories so you'll understand how intriguing the books were,
and why I'm so eager to rediscover them.

A poor, nearly penniless student lives in a tiny apartment over a fish shop.
One of his student friends asks him how he can bear to be so poor and only
eat rice for dinner each evening. He confides that he waits until the owner
of the fish shop cooks his fish each evening, and then the student eats his
rice along with the odor of the fish and it makes the rice taste better. The
shop owner overhears the conversation and is livid because the student is
stealing his smells without paying for them! He sues him in court for
stealing his smells. The wise judge is presiding and he agrees that the
student received something of value without paying for it. He tells the
student he will have to pay and asks the student to count out all the money
he has from one hand to the other so the court will be advised of his means.
The student complies. Then the judge tells the student to put away his
money, and turns to the shop owner and tells him he has been paid. The shop
owner is confused and points out that he has received no money. The wise
judge tells him that the price of the smell of fish is the sound of money.

Any help in finding these books would be much appreciated!

Tekky

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Wendy E. Betts

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Apr 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/21/99
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In article <7fjrj8$b97$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <te...@spainhour.com> wrote:
>money, and turns to the shop owner and tells him he has been paid. The shop
>owner is confused and points out that he has received no money. The wise
>judge tells him that the price of the smell of fish is the sound of money.
>
>Any help in finding these books would be much appreciated!

I think this is a traditional tale, I've encountered it in other
contexts.
--
Wendy E. Betts, Editor, "Notes from the Windowsill." web at armory.com
"among them was a particularly hideous little monster, a so-called
book grump...these little spirits normally spend their lives grumping
about books. Research has not yet determined why such creatures exist."

Gwen A Orel

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Apr 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/21/99
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Hmm. I had a Scholastic Book Services book with a similar format
back in the seventies. I know it's not much to go on...

Gwen

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"Live as one already dead." --Japanese saying

If one tells the truth one is sure, sooner or later, to be found out.
--Oscar Wilde

PrudyPerkins

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Apr 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/21/99
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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:35:20 GMT, te...@spainhour.com wrote:

>When I was a child (I'm 44 now), I read a series of children's books about a
>wise Chinese judge and some of the cases that were brought to him. Now I
>cannot remember the judge's name and cannot locate the books. Let me tell
>you one of the stories so you'll understand how intriguing the books were,
>and why I'm so eager to rediscover them.
>
>A poor, nearly penniless student lives in a tiny apartment over a fish shop.
>One of his student friends asks him how he can bear to be so poor and only
>eat rice for dinner each evening.

Too much starch.

BookGenii

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Apr 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/21/99
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>When I was a child (I'm 44 now), I read a series of children's books about a
>wise Chinese judge and some of the cases that were brought to him. Now I
>cannot remember the judge's name and cannot locate the books. Let me tell
>you one of the stories so you'll understand how intriguing the books were,
>and why I'm so eager to rediscover them.
>
>A poor, nearly penniless student lives in a tiny apartment over a fish shop.
>One of his student friends asks him how he can bear to be so poor and only
>eat rice for dinner each evening. He confides that he waits until the owner
>of the fish shop cooks his fish each evening, and then the student eats his
>rice along with the odor of the fish and it makes the rice taste better. The
>shop owner overhears the conversation and is livid because the student is
>stealing his smells without paying for them! He sues him in court for
>stealing his smells. The wise judge is presiding and he agrees that the
>student received something of value without paying for it. He tells the
>student he will have to pay and asks the student to count out all the money
>he has from one hand to the other so the court will be advised of his means.
>The student complies. Then the judge tells the student to put away his
>money, and turns to the shop owner and tells him he has been paid. The shop
>owner is confused and points out that he has received no money. The wise
>judge tells him that the price of the smell of fish is the sound of money.
>
>Any help in finding these books would be much appreciated!
>
>Tekky

This story is taken from a book by I. G. Edmonds. The original title was "Ooka
the Wise, Tales of Old Japan."

The Scholastic Book Club book that Gwen is referring to is titled, "The Case of
the Marble Monster and Other Stories." The copyright I show is 1961.

There are several copies of the paperback edition available on ABE, most priced
under $10.

Holly Davis
Book Genie

Avery Ke

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Apr 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/27/99
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These are almost certainly stories about the famed Judge Dee (According to
my library catalog, his Chinese name is: Ti, J^en-chieh, 629-700).
My husband says that kids in China grow up knowing about him the way
we know about Robin Hood.

While I don't know of any children's books about Dee, you could try the
Judge Dee books by Robert Hans van Gulik, 1910-1967.

This one is a translation, others are Gulik's own creation.

Celebrated cases of Judge Dee = Dee goong an : an authentic
eighteenth-century Chinese detective novel / translated and
an introd. and notes by Robert van Gulik.

Avery Ke

Jill Ashleyg

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Nov 8, 2022, 11:34:04 AM11/8/22
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On Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, te...@spainhour.com wrote:
> When I was a child (I'm 44 now), I read a series of children's books about a
> wise Chinese judge and some of the cases that were brought to him. Now I
> cannot remember the judge's name and cannot locate the books. Let me tell
> you one of the stories so you'll understand how intriguing the books were,
> and why I'm so eager to rediscover them.
> A poor, nearly penniless student lives in a tiny apartment over a fish shop.
> One of his student friends asks him how he can bear to be so poor and only
> eat rice for dinner each evening. He confides that he waits until the owner
> of the fish shop cooks his fish each evening, and then the student eats his
> rice along with the odor of the fish and it makes the rice taste better. The
> shop owner overhears the conversation and is livid because the student is
> stealing his smells without paying for them! He sues him in court for
> stealing his smells. The wise judge is presiding and he agrees that the
> student received something of value without paying for it. He tells the
> student he will have to pay and asks the student to count out all the money
> he has from one hand to the other so the court will be advised of his means.
> The student complies. Then the judge tells the student to put away his
> money, and turns to the shop owner and tells him he has been paid. The shop
> owner is confused and points out that he has received no money. The wise
> judge tells him that the price of the smell of fish is the sound of money.
> Any help in finding these books would be much appreciated!
> Tekky
> '*+.,_,.+*'`'*+.,_A joyful heart is good medicine!_,.+*'`'*+.,_,.+*'`
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

Was it the The Case of the Marble Monster? The stories were about the judge Ooka the Great.



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