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Michael Whittier

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Jul 21, 2002, 11:06:38 PM7/21/02
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I've not found anything on Google, etc., so I thought I'd ask here about
the children's books referenced on HBO's "Six Feet Under". A series
about a boy and girl named 'Nathaniel & Isabel.'

If such a series doesn't exist, the production designers created some very
convincing cover art. If it does exist, I haven't found any indication.
Anybody know anything about this (alleged) series?

Thanks in advance-

Michael Whittier
mwit...@minn.net

Priscilla Ballou

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Jul 21, 2002, 11:30:40 PM7/21/02
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In article <mwittier-210...@news.minn.net>,
mwit...@minn.net (Michael Whittier) wrote:

> I've not found anything on Google, etc., so I thought I'd ask here about
> the children's books referenced on HBO's "Six Feet Under". A series
> about a boy and girl named 'Nathaniel & Isabel.'
>
> If such a series doesn't exist, the production designers created some very
> convincing cover art. If it does exist, I haven't found any indication.
> Anybody know anything about this (alleged) series?

I assumed they made it up. The relationship between Brenda and Billy is
sufficiently wierd that if it were real then the author might have a
really nice lawsuit at her disposal.

I do love "Six Feet Under," though, and it's nice to see another viewer
here.

_Charlotte: Light and Dark_ has a believable cover, too.

Priscilla
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Wendy E. Betts

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Jul 22, 2002, 12:01:43 AM7/22/02
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In article <vze23t8n-0E491C...@news.bellatlantic.net>,

Priscilla Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>_Charlotte: Light and Dark_ has a believable cover, too.

What is that? Is it based on _Lisa, Bright and Dark_?
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Priscilla Ballou

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Jul 22, 2002, 12:07:29 AM7/22/02
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In article <3d3b83a7$0$79558$8ee...@newsreader.tycho.net>,

w...@deeptht.armory.com (Wendy E. Betts) wrote:

> In article <vze23t8n-0E491C...@news.bellatlantic.net>,
> Priscilla Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >_Charlotte: Light and Dark_ has a believable cover, too.
>
> What is that? Is it based on _Lisa, Bright and Dark_?

I don't know _L, B&D_, but the Charlotte book is supposedly the story of
an excessively brilliant (and rather troubled, before and moreso after)
little girl being examined by psychiatrists over the course of several
years. The protagonist is a character on "Six Feet Under."

Priscilla Ballou

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Jul 22, 2002, 12:11:03 AM7/22/02
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In article <3d3b83a7$0$79558$8ee...@newsreader.tycho.net>,
w...@deeptht.armory.com (Wendy E. Betts) wrote:

> In article <vze23t8n-0E491C...@news.bellatlantic.net>,
> Priscilla Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >_Charlotte: Light and Dark_ has a believable cover, too.
>
> What is that? Is it based on _Lisa, Bright and Dark_?

I just looked it (Lisa) up. Charlotte appears to be a kind of satire of
Lisa, although it's supposedly not a novel but a real account. The
character Brenda on "Six Feet Under" is the reallife "Charlotte," and
she hates what the psych professionals did to her in the course of their
examination/dissection of her over several years of her childhood. The
book is supposedly by the psych pros, but girls of a certain age and
type all read the book and identify with "Charlotte."

Michael Whittier

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Jul 22, 2002, 2:24:15 AM7/22/02
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In article <vze23t8n-0E491C...@news.bellatlantic.net>,
Priscilla Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:

> I assumed they made it up. The relationship between Brenda and Billy is
> sufficiently wierd that if it were real then the author might have a
> really nice lawsuit at her disposal.
>
> I do love "Six Feet Under," though, and it's nice to see another viewer
> here.
>
> _Charlotte: Light and Dark_ has a believable cover, too.
>
> Priscilla

Your point about the artwork for "Charlotte" is a good one. Someone on
eBay has been selling "Nathaniel and Isobel" and "Charlotte" t-shirts,
featuring the 'dustjacket' art. I bought a "N & I" shirt, and it's
obviously a jpeg that the sellers have blown up (complete with blurry
pixellization) from which they've fashioned an (rubbery, stiff) inkjet
transfer. As much as I dislike most tattoos (usually for a lack of
originality), the show almost made me want a Nathaniel tattoo. The
t-shirt will have to do.

I had thought that maybe the books were a UK phenomenon, or specifically
Australian, as one of the titles is "Nathaniel and Isobel Down Under"
(which I had hoped wasn't a lewd joke, but I am beginning to suspect the
worst.) I think I was taking on Nate's discomfort at the way Brenda's
mother chided him for not being aware of the books, and wanted to believe
they existed.

You must be right. I figured Brenda and Billy had shaped something quirky
but essentially innocent to accomodate their own twisted world view. I
guess it's refreshing to be caught out without cynicism occasonally.

Michael Whittier
mwit...@minn.net

Sionnach

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Jul 23, 2002, 12:03:34 PM7/23/02
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"Priscilla Ballou" wrote:
> > >
> > >_Charlotte: Light and Dark_ has a believable cover, too.
> >
> > What is that? Is it based on _Lisa, Bright and Dark_?
>
> I don't know _L, B&D_, but the Charlotte book is supposedly the story of
> an excessively brilliant (and rather troubled, before and moreso after)
> little girl being examined by psychiatrists over the course of several
> years.

That does sound like it's based - at least in part- on "Lisa, Bright and
Dark". However "Lisa" is a teenager, and IIRC a major part of the plot is
that the adults in her life refuse to see that she's descending into mental
illness.
There was *another* popular book around the same time, titled "David and
Lisa", which was about a younger girl who was actually in a mental
institution; I'm wondering if the series writers melded them. That one MAY
have been non-fiction.

And then there's "Alan and Naomi", which also involves a
mentally/emotionally troubled girl.


AlRodz

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Jul 23, 2002, 7:08:47 PM7/23/02
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Having long since lost HBO when the baby came and the satellite dish went, I
can say I have never seen SIX FEET UNDER, but this thread intrigues me, so I'll
posit a guess.

The names "Nathaniel and Isobel" as the title of a children's book reminds me
of the Scottish band "Belle and Sebastian," themselves named after a children's
book series. And, I believe, one of the members of the hydra-headed band is
Isobel Campbell.

Could this be a connection?

gena.wh...@gmail.com

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May 5, 2013, 12:28:31 AM5/5/13
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I as well have looked for these books and come up with nothing. I'm pretty sure They don't exist but I could be wrong. If u do discover anything please let me know. Six Feet Under is one of my favorite series and I would Love to get my hands on these if They do in fact exist.

politica...@gmail.com

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Mar 25, 2015, 9:26:12 PM3/25/15
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On Saturday, May 4, 2013 at 9:28:31 PM UTC-7, gena.wh...@gmail.com wrote:
> I as well have looked for these books and come up with nothing. I'm pretty sure They don't exist but I could be wrong. If u do discover anything please let me know. Six Feet Under is one of my favorite series and I would Love to get my hands on these if They do in fact exist.

From what I've seen on the series, it seems like the Natanial & Isabel books were based on Lemony Snicket's "Series of Unfortunate Events" series.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Series_of_Unfortunate_Events

ccoff...@gmail.com

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Sep 27, 2016, 11:13:07 AM9/27/16
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Let me just tell you how how I am recently addicted to the series 14 years later! Over the summer my cousin was cleaning out her shed and found all the season's of Six Feet Under! She told me they were a MUST SEE and insisted I take them! I just can not believe I have never heard of it! I'm thinking because I didn't really have HBO as a teen lol... But needless to say I binge watch the episodes currently on season 3... I was exceptionally curious enough about the referenced books throughout the season's between Billy and Brenda, that I decided to try and see if I could find anything on Google such as are they real or fake? Stumbled upon this forum... And thus far all I've found is that they are not and it sort of bums me out because they sound like a fun dark read! As does the whole idea of Charlotte Light and Dark! Eh... Anyways still loving Six Feet Under.. hehe!

erikam...@gmail.com

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Dec 2, 2016, 6:53:10 PM12/2/16
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I have been a fan of the show myself years after it ended around 2010 maybe? To me arguably one of the best television series ever made. Disappointed to learn the books aren't real but I have had to like seriously meditate and go over in my head what I processed through the show. Great great and brilliant show!

anana...@gmail.com

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Aug 5, 2018, 5:59:18 AM8/5/18
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I have the same question. Binge watching the DVDs
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kathyl...@gmail.com

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Jan 13, 2019, 2:44:36 PM1/13/19
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I found Nathaniel and Isabel, a collection of stories translated from French, mentioned in the book Schizo, a novel by Nic Sheff.
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