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Todd Clements

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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Hi,

Just a quick question. Does anyone know if the European Larch is
suitable for Bonsai. There are several small specimens in about my
In-Laws and I thought one might make a good Bonsai. Thanks

Todd Clements
Halifax, NS
Zone 5 (I think)

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David Hamilton

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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Yes. I've a few and they're very suitable for bonsai. The leaves are a bit bigger than on
Japanese Larch so they're probably better for larger bonsai but they're tough as old boots,
great for wiring and you'll get a nice branch structure within 3 or 4 years.

I wouldn't say they're in the same class as pines (personally) but as material for those
new to bonsai I'd say they're ideal.

Just my twopence worth.

David

Todd Clements wrote:

> Just a quick question. Does anyone know if the European Larch is
> suitable for Bonsai. There are several small specimens in about my
> In-Laws and I thought one might make a good Bonsai. Thanks

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Reiner Goebel

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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Todd Clements wrote:
>
> Hi,

>
> Just a quick question. Does anyone know if the European Larch is
> suitable for Bonsai. There are several small specimens in about my
> In-Laws and I thought one might make a good Bonsai. Thanks


Yes, the European larch makes good bonsai. However, the American larch
(Larix laricina) makes better bonsai. There should be lots of those
where you live, unless Nick Lenz has denuded the place. ;-)


Reiner Goebel,
Toronto, Canada
http://www.hype.com/tbs

Colin Lewis

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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From: Todd Clements

> >Just a quick question. Does anyone know if the European Larch is
> >suitable for Bonsai. There are several small specimens in about my
> >In-Laws and I thought one might make a good Bonsai. Thanks

oooooh yes! It's an excellent subject. Needs shading from summer sun to
stop the needles browning, and likes moist soil.

Check out the examples in the galler on my website (url below)

Colin
email: colinlew...@btinternet.com
web site: http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewis.bonsai

Colin Lewis

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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From: Reiner Goebel

> >Yes, the European larch makes good bonsai. However, the American larch
> >(Larix laricina) makes better bonsai.

Ahem - come over here and say that again.... ;-)

Surely it's the artist who makes a better bonsai, not the species?

Reiner Goebel

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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Colin Lewis wrote:
>
> From: Reiner Goebel
>
> > >Yes, the European larch makes good bonsai. However, the American larch
> > >(Larix laricina) makes better bonsai.
>
> Ahem - come over here and say that again.... ;-)
>
> Surely it's the artist who makes a better bonsai, not the species?


Here you go blaming me again! ;-)


Reiner Goebel,
Toronto, Canada
http://www.hype.com/tbs

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Reiner Goebel

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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Colin Lewis wrote:
>
> From: Todd Clements
>
> > >Just a quick question. Does anyone know if the European Larch is
> > >suitable for Bonsai. There are several small specimens in about my
> > >In-Laws and I thought one might make a good Bonsai. Thanks
>
> oooooh yes! It's an excellent subject. Needs shading from summer sun to
> stop the needles browning, and likes moist soil.
>
> Check out the examples in the galler on my website (url below)


Oh, that galls! ;-)

Allan and Lynn

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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One would make a good bonsai-- but several will make an excellent group
and alot will make a terrific forest.
Go hard, Get all you can and plant in as many different ways as you can,

They make great potensai/starters to give to friends who show more than
a bit of interest, THE WORLD NEEDS MORE BONSAI BUDDIES and if you have
had the benefit of establishing the gift and "knowing" it , the more
special the " giving"
Todd Clements wrote:
>
> Hi,


>
> Just a quick question. Does anyone know if the European Larch is
> suitable for Bonsai. There are several small specimens in about my
> In-Laws and I thought one might make a good Bonsai. Thanks

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Alan Walker

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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To say the species is responsible for the better creation rather than the artist is similar
to when someone admires a photograph I've taken by praising what a wonderful camera I must
have to get such shots!
Alan Walker, Lake Charles, LA, USA awbo...@iamerica.net

> > > >Yes, the European larch makes good bonsai. However, the American larch
> > > >(Larix laricina) makes better bonsai.
> > Ahem - come over here and say that again.... ;-)
> > Surely it's the artist who makes a better bonsai, not the species?
>

> Here you go blaming me again! ;-)


> Reiner Goebel, Toronto, Canada http://www.hype.com/tbs

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Reiner Goebel

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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Alan Walker wrote:
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> To say the species is responsible for the better creation rather than the artist is similar
> to when someone admires a photograph I've taken by praising what a wonderful camera I must
> have to get such shots!
> Alan Walker, Lake Charles, LA, USA awbo...@iamerica.net
>
> > > > >Yes, the European larch makes good bonsai. However, the American larch
> > > > >(Larix laricina) makes better bonsai.
> > > Ahem - come over here and say that again.... ;-)
> > > Surely it's the artist who makes a better bonsai, not the species?
> >
> > Here you go blaming me again! ;-)


To say that the suitability of a species for bonsai has nothing to do
with the quality of the resulting bonsai is .... well, I don't know,
but not very knowledgeable. Ask Walter Pall. He thinks the quality of
the material is 80% of the final product.

Alan, you're confusing the subject with the tool.

Roy Strauss

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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This is an interesting point. Which has more of an effect on creating a successful bonsai: the
material or. the artist?

My vote goes for the bonsai artist over the tree, and here's why:

Think of how many ideal bonsai trees (Hinoki, Pines, J. Maples, etc.) with great bonsai
potential are demolished by less-than-skillful beginners (nothing against beginners, we learn
from mistakes). Yet, I've seen many trees that look like fireplace fodder become works of art
under the hand of a masterful bonsai artist.

Of course, the best situation is to have the best of both, but without the skill and artistry of
a skillful bonsaist, no tree has much chance. A skillful bonsai artist can often take a tree with
little apparent potential and make it very presentable.

Roy Strauss
Yasukunai Bonsai - Chicago
www.yasukunai.com

Deb Kennedy

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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Roy Strauss wrote:
> This is an interesting point. Which has more of an effect on
> creating a successful bonsai: the
> material or. the artist?
>
> My vote goes for the bonsai artist over the tree, and here's why:

(snip of interesting arguments)

> Of course, the best situation is to have the best of both...

I think you pinpointed it right there, Roy, whether you wanted to or not.
"The _best_ situation..."

Why in the name of anything do we need to say "This is the most important
part?" So many factors enter the equation. Does there need to be a "most
important part?" Must we have one specific cause for one specific effect?
Aren't there a whole bunch of contributors to the "best situation?" You get
a good tree with a good stylist at the right time of year in the proper
climate--magic. It all works together. I will always admire the artist,
but without the rest of it, I'd never have the opportunity!

Sorry, I'm a little grumpy today. (Nothing to do with your post, Roy--I
really liked what you said!)

Sincerely,
Deb Kennedy
deb...@cablemichigan.com
"I know one thing--indecision may or may not be my problem."--Jimmy Buffet

SHO2n

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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Group
Here's my .02
Artist and material work together. A hack will turn second rate or troublesome
material in to bad art or no art at all. A real artist can raise material from
the mundane to the sublime.
Give Olivier a script like Hamlet, and watch a genius at work. Set him loose on
say, Clash of the Titans, and see what happens.
Bottom line: some one with talent can make good things better, or bad things
good.

Regards,
Mark Passerrello
appearing on a stage near you

Allan and Lynn

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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SHO2n wrote:
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> Group
> Here's my .02
> Artist and material work together. A hack will turn second rate or
> troublesome
> material in to bad art or no art at all. A real artist can raise
> material from
> the mundane to the sublime.

awww, I thought we could wait till we meet at,( 5.00 was it Reiner?),
then we could have really sorted this out!;)

Allan and Lynn

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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SHO2n wrote:
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> Group
> Here's my .02

awww, I thought we could wait till we met at,( 5.pm was it Reiner?),

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