Navel piercings on guys (Question)
John
managed to lose 60 pounds and have gotten myself in shape to the point of
having a flat stomach and just a hint of a six-pack by getting my navel
pierced. This is one of those things that, if and when I get tired of it, I
can take it out and it'll heal over and no one will ever know it was there
(unlike a tattoo).
I know some folks think that navel piercings look weird (or gay) on guys,
but I don't much care about that.
My question, though, is if a guy is going to have one, which looks better -
a barbell or a ring?
Any opinions?
fr0glet
> My question, though, is if a guy is going to have one, which looks
better -
> a barbell or a ring?
They both look gay. Please be prepared to start licking dicks within 3-6
months of your new navel piercing.
Also, develop your own opinions about appearance. SHEESH.
fr0glet
i'll teach you to turn away.
f> Also, develop your own opinions about appearance. SHEESH.
or alternately, learn to use groups.google to find out what every
other please-tell-me-what-to-do-to-myself idiot was told.
& by the way, you WILL be able to tell you've had a navel
piercing. & if it heals fully before you take it out, you'll have a nice
place to store stinky dead skin that will need to be cleaned out
regularly. enjoy your temporary permanent modification.
lish "you're worth your weight
cr...@got.net in truth." -cr
38.5% / 30 RANA 125 / 68
Cathy
If you don't have one to contribute, hows about shuttin the fuck up and go
turn your crank instead of wasting bandwidth?
Jesus, what a bunch of immature shitheads.
Me personally, I'd prefer a barbell on a guy, and no I don't think they look
gay at all. ;-)
C
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Mara
<csimpson1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> He was asking for opinions, >fart-sniffers,
> If you don't have one to contribute, >hows about shuttin the fuck up and
>go turn your crank instead of wasting >bandwidth?
> Jesus, what a bunch of immature >shitheads.
Oh, boy!! This is gonna be fun!
Angie, I've got the Junior Mints, will you bring the popcorn?
Mara
RAY PEARSON
"Cathy" <csimpson1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> He was asking for opinions, fart-sniffers
And you are who? and we should care about your opinion because? Besides I quit
sniffing farts when I quit injecting heroin.
JSin
> He was asking for opinions, fart-sniffers, not to be told what to do.
He was given opinions. They stated it would make him look like a little
grrly man. They also told him that if he got it he would have the desire
to start chugging cock. Her is another opinion you idiotic cunt nugget,
if you are going to resort to name calling I recommend you work a bit
harder on it. The inhalation of human intestinal gas is frequently an
unintentional yet common issue.
>
> If you don't have one to contribute, hows about shuttin the fuck up and go
> turn your crank instead of wasting bandwidth?
Ahhhh and your little tantrum is such a benefit to the preservation of
bandwidth you long suffering twit.
>
> Jesus, what a bunch of immature shitheads.
You talking to your imaginary friend again. I am sure the son of god is
real interested in your evaluation of the composition of our collective
craniums.
>
> Me personally, I'd prefer a barbell on a guy, and no I don't think they look
> gay at all. ;-)
I prefer a woman in kneepads so what's your point.
--
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munkyluvr
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SHEESH.
Hey. That's my made-up word. :)
Oh yeah, and navel piercings on guys is totally gay. Totally. I read that
somewhere, so it must be true.
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of shoes.
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fr0glet
> He was asking for opinions, fart-sniffers, not to be told what to do.
I didn't tell him what to do, aside from be prepared to start licking dicks.
This is a life occurence that all men interested in body piercing should
prepare themselves for, and I'm hear to spread the good word. It's an act of
kindness.
> If you don't have one to contribute, hows about shuttin the fuck up and go
> turn your crank instead of wasting bandwidth?
My opinion was that they look gay. Fuck you and your bandwidth.
> Jesus, what a bunch of immature shitheads.
Yes indeedy, twatknocker! RAB is my *favorite* place to be immature.
fr0glet
intergalactic snitty princess
<csimpson1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>He was asking for opinions,
Which he got...
>not to be told what to do.
The replies you get are based on the presentation of your question. Had
the OP said "I'm curious as to the group's opinion of Curved Barbells vs.
Captive Bead Rings in male navel piercings" his responses might have been
more to your liking. But since (1) the OP didn't post in such a way and
(2) we aren't here to please you, it doesn't much matter- does it?
>If you don't have one to contribute, hows about shuttin the fuck up and go
>turn your crank instead of wasting bandwidth?
Of all the things lish has been accused of, not having an opinion to
contribute isn't on the list.
>Jesus, what a bunch of immature shitheads.
" fart-sniffers"? You called US fart sniffers, coupled it with "shit
heads" and then called us immature? Aren't you the shining star?
>Me personally, I'd prefer a barbell on a guy, and no I don't think they look
>gay at all.
Also, when someone asks for an opinion, you don't really need to say "me,
personally" before expressing an opinion. Because it's coming from you,
it's considered your opinion. See example below:
"Me, personally, I think you're a fucking pantywaist." See, here, if I'd
just said "I think you're a fucking pantywaist" or even just "Pantywaist."
you'd know it was my thought of you.
~hth.
~c.
***yank me to reply***
Jessica
or not- whoever said naval piercings on guys made them gay? and what if it
did? what do you care? in this day and age half of humanity IS gay.... and
dressing a certain way or liking a certain style doesnt mean someone is gay-
it's just outerwear for crying out loud... this boy getting his naval
pierced wont mean hes going to be pressured to suck cock. thats up to him.
if a boy wants to get more in touch with his fem side what business is it of
yours to judge him? personally, i believe it depends on the piercing and the
person- gay or not- speaking from an artistic perspective, no matter what
the accesory, if it accentuates the persons attributes im all over it. gay
isnt the issue here- thats the persons personal choice and cannot be decided
merely by what a person chooses to wear.
am i alone on this one?
Jess
"This is the dawning of a new spiritual revolution"- <+)o
Jessica
"John" <johnn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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neither looks better- it's how well it suits your personality, style, and
outward appearance....
jess
N Jill Marsh
<eeka...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>or not- whoever said naval piercings on guys made them gay?
Churchill.
nj"rum, sodomy & the lash"m
--
Dressing well will open any doors, even those connected to a
top-secret factory."
Jessica
> >whoever said naval piercings on guys made them gay?
>
"N Jill Marsh" wrote in message:
> Churchill.
>
> nj"rum, sodomy & the lash"m
>
> --
> Dressing well will open any doors, even those connected to a
> top-secret factory."
>
"well"? define well for me please? u mean like plain and not out of the
orordinary? i wouldnt hire someone based only on the fact that they dress
"well." it's skill that i look for. "any doors" my arse.
--"Pardon me 4 living, but this is my world 2
I can't help that what's cool to us might be strange to u
Pardon me 4 thinking, but there's something under my hair
I bet u thought the lights were on but noone's living there
U think that if u tell enough lies they will c the truth?
I hope they bury ur old ideas the same time they bury u
We r the New Power Generation, we want 2 change the world
The only thing that's in our way is u.
Your old fashioned music, your old ideas
we're sick and tired of u telling us what 2 do
Pardon me 4 breathing, can we borrow some of your air?
the problem with u and your kind is that u don't know love is there"- <+)o
jess
Jessica
"Jessica" <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jessica" wrote:
> > >whoever said naval piercings on guys made them gay?
> >
>
> "N Jill Marsh" wrote in message:
>
> > Churchill.
> >
> > nj"rum, sodomy & the lash"m
> >
> > --
> > Dressing well will open any doors, even those connected to a
> > top-secret factory."
> >
>
>
>
> "well"? define well for me please? u mean like plain and not out of the
> orordinary?
(dont even start with the illiteracy insults, u know i meant to type
"ordinary")
jess
N Jill Marsh
<eeka...@hotmail.com>wrote some typical examples:
>> > >whoever said naval piercings on guys made them gay?
>> "well"? define well for me please
>> u mean like plain and not out of the
>> orordinary?
>
>(dont even start with the illiteracy insults, u know i meant to type
>"ordinary")
Start?
nj"sigalicious"m
--
"A sincere and straightforward demeanor will get most anyone to open
up and volunteer information. It doesn't hurt to be an attractive
young woman, either.
Angie K
wrote:
I've got popcorn, jolly ranchers and dum dum suckers.
I doubt this one has staying power though.
-Angie aka destrss
Sunlight
"JSin" <js...@ennie.idiotbudy.com> wrote in message
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> Her is another opinion you idiotic cunt nugget,
As an aside, what is a cunt nugget? I haven't got any nuggets in my cunt.
Sunlight
> why do all of you make such a big deal about whether something "looks gay"
> or not- whoever said naval piercings on guys made them gay? and what if it
> did? what do you care? in this day and age half of humanity IS gay....
Damn! That population problem should be going away in a decade or two,
then.
You may wish to consider differentiating between genuine homophobic rants
and a bunch of r.a.b people just using a cheap shot to be vicious and nasty
in the traditional manner.
FrinkLemur
> > My question, though, is if a guy is going to have one, which looks
> better -
> > a barbell or a ring?
>
> They both look gay. Please be prepared to start licking dicks within 3-6
> months of your new navel piercing
I thought it only meant you were gay if you got it pierced on the right
side.
FrinkLemur
fr0glet
> fr0glet <fr0...@fr0glet.hates.spambots.org> wrote...
> > "John" <johnn...@comcast.net> wrote...
> > > My question, though, is if a guy is going to have one, which looks
> > better -
> > > a barbell or a ring?
> >
> > They both look gay. Please be prepared to start licking dicks within 3-6
> > months of your new navel piercing
>
> I thought it only meant you were gay if you got it pierced on the right
> side.
I thought that only applied to dydoes, in the northern hemisphere, when
pierced on the full moon whilst swinging a freshly-deceased cat and the
dipping it in a stump full of rainwater?
fr0glet
i'll teach you to turn away.
S> "JSin" <js...@ennie.idiotbudy.com> wrote in message
> Her is another opinion you idiotic cunt nugget,
it's my word, & it's compound: cuntnugget, not "cunt nugget".
originally, it was more of a "nugget of cunt" idea than "nugget
within cunt", but WORDS EVOLVE, right?
lish "get off chemo & die like a fucking man."
cr...@got.net "blam & brains & done." -jerkcity
Sunlight
> Sunlight <ms.su...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> S> As an aside, what is a cunt nugget? I haven't got any nuggets in my
cunt.
> it's my word, & it's compound: cuntnugget, not "cunt nugget".
> originally, it was more of a "nugget of cunt" idea than "nugget
> within cunt", but WORDS EVOLVE, right?
Thank you. I was having disturbing images of Golden Nuggets being stuffed
up minges with the phrase "And me and Pardner deliver 'em to you!" This is
much more wholesome
John
Just because your daddy started smoking sausage after your mommy had a
shit-spasm and gave birth to your mentally-defective ass doesn't mean
everyone who does something out of the ordinary will.
Why don't you show up at my house with your dick out? I've got something
special just for you!
John
"fr0glet" <fr0...@fr0glet.hates.spambots.org> wrote in message
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Nina Baltes
> WTF?
>
> Just because your daddy started smoking sausage after your mommy had a
> shit-spasm and gave birth to your mentally-defective ass doesn't mean
> everyone who does something out of the ordinary will.
>
> Why don't you show up at my house with your dick out? I've got something
> special just for you!
I don't think you're any match for fr0glet's dick. Really.
Nina
--
C'est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.
Louis Pasteur
http://www.chaotropic.net
fr0glet
> John wrote:
> > WTF?
> >
> > Just because your daddy started smoking sausage after your mommy had a
> > shit-spasm and gave birth to your mentally-defective ass doesn't mean
> > everyone who does something out of the ordinary will.
> >
> > Why don't you show up at my house with your dick out? I've got
something
> > special just for you!
>
> I don't think you're any match for fr0glet's dick. Really.
Indeed, I'm a veritable donkey.
Also: I see you've officially come out of the closet based on your offer to
perform something special for me. With your newfound sexual awareness I
suggest you go ahead and get the banana-belly-bar with Hello Kitty charm.
fr0glet
Judith Cookson
> why do all of you make such a big deal about whether something "looks gay"
> or not- whoever said naval piercings on guys made them gay? and what if it
i bet a lot of people say it.
> did? what do you care? in this day and age half of humanity IS gay.... and
this is incorrect.
> dressing a certain way or liking a certain style doesnt mean someone is gay-
> it's just outerwear for crying out loud... this boy getting his naval
in many portions of the country, this is incorrect.
> pierced wont mean hes going to be pressured to suck cock. thats up to him.
> if a boy wants to get more in touch with his fem side what business is it of
> yours to judge him? personally, i believe it depends on the piercing and the
> person- gay or not- speaking from an artistic perspective, no matter what
> the accesory, if it accentuates the persons attributes im all over it. gay
> isnt the issue here- thats the persons personal choice and cannot be decided
> merely by what a person chooses to wear.
this is a very nice sentiment, what with the fluffy kittens and the
lets-accept-everyone and it-shouldnt-matter-if-people-think-youre-
gay-cause-gay-is-ok.
but maybe part of his aesthetic or whatever is not looking
(stereotypically) gay.
WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE?
> am i alone on this one?
probably not.
--
Judith Cookson
Curt
> I have decided to celebrate the fact that over the past two years I've
> pierced. <snip>
> which looks better - a barbell or a ring?
>
"Yer gay. And yer skinny."
Uh, wait. What I meant to say was, "Congratulations on the weight
loss."
Which looks better is up to you to decide, of course. But...
I was pierced at 14 g and have subsequently stretched to 12 g and most
recently to 10 g. The initial jewelry was a curved barbell and the 12
and 10 were captive bead rings. I like the 10 g the most because the
bead is much smaller than what was in the 12 g jewelry. And the
thicker the gauge the better as far as looks and comfort go. $0.02 and
all.
--
Curt, shining star
http://iam.bmezine.com/?curt
http://www.curtjames.com/
Jessica
> jessica wrote:
> > pierced wont mean hes going to be pressured to suck cock. thats up to
him.
> > if a boy wants to get more in touch with his fem side what business is
it of
> > yours to judge him? personally, i believe it depends on the piercing and
the
> > person- gay or not- speaking from an artistic perspective, no matter
what
> > the accesory, if it accentuates the persons attributes im all over it.
gay
> > isnt the issue here- thats the persons personal choice and cannot be
decided
> > merely by what a person chooses to wear.
> "Judith Cookson" wrote:
> this is a very nice sentiment, what with the fluffy kittens and the
> lets-accept-everyone and it-shouldnt-matter-if-people-think-youre-
> gay-cause-gay-is-ok.
>
> but maybe part of his aesthetic or whatever is not looking
> (stereotypically) gay.
>
actually, his very first post he made very clear he could care less about
being accused of being considered gay by piercing his naval...
> did? what do you care? in this day and age half of humanity IS gay.... and
this is incorrect.
> dressing a certain way or liking a certain style doesnt mean someone is
gay-
> it's just outerwear for crying out loud... this boy getting his naval
in many portions of the country, this is incorrect.
if you knew much about crossdressing and the people that find solace in it,
you'd come to the conclusion that most of them - yes the majority of
crossdressers(/transgendered) are not gay- do a little research if you dont
believe me.
okay so maybe i was exxagerating a little to say HALF of HUMANITY is gay- my
point was it's an ever-increasing number, and for this reason, it has become
more and more acceptible in todays society.
and again- what IS wrong with being gay? most people couldnt defend much
else other than the "bible."
i doubt HALF of the world believes in THAT these days either....
where do YOU stand?
jess
Jessica
"Curt" <curt_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "John" wrote <snip>
uh, you mean in your bellybutton? you forgot to mention that part...
jess
Jessica
> this is incorrect.
>
my dogs do it....
Angela St.Aubin
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"Jessica" <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
- I think the problem for this individual may not lie in being gay, which is
perfectly ok to be, but this man is straight, and i think what someone was
hinting at earlier is that the problem may lie in others, (in the gay
community or otherwise) may think he is gay once he gets his navel pierced
(as many people still think), and that THAT may cause problems. It is a
sad fact that there is still a lot of homophobia and if he isn't prepared
to deal with the possibility that people may treat him poorly, or treat
him as a gay man, he shouldn't get it. That is the sad reality of our
society right now.
x
my
> point was it's an ever-increasing number, and for this reason, it has
become
> more and more acceptible in todays society.
How do you know that an "ever-increasing number" of people are gay? What are
you referencing this to? Do you claim to believe that a higher percentage of
the population are being born gay? If that's your claim, I counterclaim that
this is untrue. I would offer that due to society's slowly increasing
acceptance of homosexuality, more people are comfortable in "coming out"
than ever were before. This does not mean more people are gay. It means more
people can live their lives as they are, as opposed to how society may have
deemed they should be.
> and again- what IS wrong with being gay? most people couldnt defend much
> else other than the "bible."
Who said anything was wrong with being gay?
> i doubt HALF of the world believes in THAT these days either....
> where do YOU stand?
What does it matter?
--
x
"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
x
>
>
> my dogs do it....
>
Your dogs do what? Use the bible as a reason for their homophobia?
Or was this a coy inference to the fact that you have two boy dogs that
f*ck?
If this is the case, i think you should pierce their navels.
Judith Cookson
> "Judith Cookson" wrote:
> > jessica wrote:
>
> > > dressing a certain way or liking a certain style doesnt mean someone
> > > is gay-
> > > it's just outerwear for crying out loud... this boy getting his
> > > naval
>
> > in many portions of the country, this is incorrect.
>
> if you knew much about crossdressing and the people that find solace in it,
> you'd come to the conclusion that most of them - yes the majority of
> crossdressers(/transgendered) are not gay- do a little research if you dont
> believe me.
what? what does crossdressing have to do with it? what do transgendered
people have to do with it?
i thought we were talking about a heterosexual man having his navel
pierced.
do not tell me youve never seen someone "dressed gay." please.
> okay so maybe i was exxagerating a little to say HALF of HUMANITY is gay- my
> point was it's an ever-increasing number, and for this reason, it has become
> more and more acceptible in todays society.
you think that the ratio of gay to straight people in this society is
going up? really? do you have any kind of evidence to support this?
or do you think maybe that with increasing acceptance, gay people are more
visible/less closeted, thereby creating the perception that there are more
gay people than ever before.
> and again- what IS wrong with being gay? most people couldnt defend much
> else other than the "bible."
i have no idea what's wrong with being gay.
on the other hand, its possible to believe that there's nothing wrong with
being gay and still not want to look stereotypically gay, for whatever
reason.
and im not saying that the OP has this desire, im basically just
trying to make a point that not wanting to look "gay" is not necessarily
bigoted.
to wit:
there's this whole biological imperative thing that screams at
heterosexual men to find them some fine fine young tight-assed
high-breasted wide-hipped clear-skinned booty and get it the fuck ON. and
if you're looking extra queer, these women, they don't see you as a
potential mate/caretaker of her zillions of babies.
or don't you watch the Discovery Channel?
> i doubt HALF of the world believes in THAT these days either....
> where do YOU stand?
oho, i bet you wish you knew.
--
Judith Cookson
x
> >
> > Uh, wait. What I meant to say was, "Congratulations on the weight
> > loss."
> >
> > Which looks better is up to you to decide, of course. But...
> >
> > I was pierced at 14 g and have subsequently stretched to 12 g and most
> > recently to 10 g. The initial jewelry was a curved barbell and the 12
> > and 10 were captive bead rings. I like the 10 g the most because the
> > bead is much smaller than what was in the 12 g jewelry. And the
> > thicker the gauge the better as far as looks and comfort go. $0.02 and
> > all.
> >
> > --
> > Curt, shining star
> > http://iam.bmezine.com/?curt
> > http://www.curtjames.com/
>
>
> uh, you mean in your bellybutton? you forgot to mention that part...
> jess
Anyone reading the thread would assume he was referring to his navel. He
would only need to specify the piercing he was referring to if it was NOT
his navel. Or to point out the obvious to stupid people.
Curt
> "Curt" <curt_...@yahoo.com> wrote <snip>
> > "John" wrote <snip>
> > > <snip> by getting my navel pierced. <snip>
> > > which looks better - a barbell or a ring?
> > >
> > I was pierced at 14 g and have subsequently stretched to <snip>
> > Curt, shining star<snip>
> uh, you mean in your bellybutton? you forgot to mention that part...
> jess
Yes, my Context Queen. Try to keep up.
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Keith Alexander
> the problem may lie in others, (in the gay
> community or otherwise) may think he is gay once he gets his navel pierced
> (as many people still think), and that THAT may cause problems.
*** You are a fucking twit.
Stay on the Gilmore Girls NG where you belong.
Thanks!
KA
RAY PEARSON
"Judith Cookson" <jcoo...@io.com> wrote in message ....
> > where do YOU stand?
>
> oho, i bet you wish you knew.
>
> --
Jude, YOU may stand on me, but only if you wear those really thin 6' stiletto
heeled thigh high black leather boots.
R does that make me look gay? ay
fr0glet
> "Jessica" <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> > > dressing a certain way or liking a certain style doesnt mean someone
is
> > gay-
> > > it's just outerwear for crying out loud... this boy getting his naval
> >
>
is
> perfectly ok to be, but this man is straight, and i think what someone was
> hinting at earlier is that the problem may lie in others, (in the gay
> community or otherwise) may think he is gay once he gets his navel pierced
> (as many people still think), and that THAT may cause problems.
Actually, the problem is both Jessica and Angela St. Aubin are a couple of
fuckwits who cannot recognize subtle sarcasm at the expense of others until
it is brought directly under their noses. IT WAS A JOKE. A joke based on 10
million posts here in the past asking which ear piercing would make people
gay, what piercings are OK for straight people, and please tell me how to
dress/look/walk/talk/get pierced so I can fit into your little mainstream
societal pocket. Fuck.
Nobody who has posted in this thread has any problems with gay people, in
fact I'd wager a good portion of us have even tested the waters ourselves.
Please try harder to have a clue. You're like TweedleDee and TweedleDumb
over here.
fr0glet
Keith Alexander
> Any opinions?
*** BTW, yeah.
WHICH EVER YOU LIKE BEST, DOPE!
KA
Jessica
"Angela St.Aubin"
> > point was it's an ever-increasing number, and for this reason, it has
> become
> > more and more acceptible in todays society.
> > and again- what IS wrong with being gay? most people couldnt defend much
> > else other than the "bible."
> > i doubt HALF of the world believes in THAT these days either....
> > where do YOU stand?
> > jess
> >
>
> - I think the problem for this individual may not lie in being gay, which
is
> perfectly ok to be, but this man is straight, and i think what someone was
> hinting at earlier is that the problem may lie in others, (in the gay
> community or otherwise) may think he is gay once he gets his navel pierced
> (as many people still think), and that THAT may cause problems. It is a
> sad fact that there is still a lot of homophobia and if he isn't prepared
> to deal with the possibility that people may treat him poorly, or treat
> him as a gay man, he shouldn't get it. That is the sad reality of our
> society right now.
>
>
>
conjured up, it seems there is still quite a bit of hostility and fear when
it comes to sexuality. i also suppose there is a reason for that (atleast
for those that arent bisexual, unlike myself.......).
angela wrote:
deal with the possibility that people may treat him poorly, or treat
> him as a gay man, he shouldn't get it (naval pierced)
imo, that is exactly the reason i would get a piercing despite whether i
were straight or gay- it IS art, and i dont agree with the way someone would
be forced to deal with issues of sexuality and acceptance in society merely
over a piercing. to tell the truth, i have a hard time coping with people
that can't mind their own business and sexuality, when it's something that
should take place in the privacy of your own bedroom.
Jessica
"x" <som...@somewhere.cxm> wrote in message
news:m7bsa.56871$w7k....@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> "Jessica" <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d19sa.69971$5f4....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> >
> >
> > okay so maybe i was exxagerating a little to say HALF of HUMANITY is
gay-
> my
> > point was it's an ever-increasing number, and for this reason, it has
> become
> > more and more acceptible in todays society.
>
> How do you know that an "ever-increasing number" of people are gay? What
are
> you referencing this to? Do you claim to believe that a higher percentage
of
> the population are being born gay? If that's your claim, I counterclaim
that
> this is untrue. I would offer that due to society's slowly increasing
> acceptance of homosexuality, more people are comfortable in "coming out"
> than ever were before. This does not mean more people are gay. It means
more
> people can live their lives as they are, as opposed to how society may
have
> deemed they should be.
>
i wasnt born "gay," ok, i dont know where that phrase comes from but i think
its a big fat crock o-
anyway, im not gay, im bi. no more people are "born gay" today than ever
before, and you're statment was EXACTLY the same as the one of mine in which
you were responding to:
x wrote:
I would offer that due to society's slowly increasing
> acceptance of homosexuality, more people are comfortable in "coming out"
> than ever were before. This does not mean more people are gay. It means
more
> people can live their lives as they are
HOWEVER, is it even possible to determine who is naturally, truly gay and
who is straight? speaking from experience i believe it's merely a matter of
personality, and the human choice of portraying the life(style) they can be
comfortable with.
jess
Jessica
> On Thu, 1 May 2003, Jessica wrote:
>
> > okay so maybe i was exxagerating a little to say HALF of HUMANITY is
gay- my
> > point was it's an ever-increasing number, and for this reason, it has
become
> > more and more acceptible in todays society.
>
judith responds:
> you think that the ratio of gay to straight people in this society is
> going up? really? do you have any kind of evidence to support this?
>
> or do you think maybe that with increasing acceptance, gay people are more
> visible/less closeted, thereby creating the perception that there are more
> gay people than ever before.
> Judith Cookson
>
though it seems you all have this tendency to twist my messages inside out-
that IS the point i was making. it goes both ways:
> > okay so maybe i was exxagerating a little to say HALF of HUMANITY is
gay- my
> > point was it's an ever-increasing number, and for this reason, it has
become
> > more and more acceptible in todays society.
may also be interpreted as:
it has become more and more acceptible in todays society, and for this
reason, the gay population is increasing.
judithwrites:
gay people are more
> visible/less closeted, thereby creating the perception that there are more
> gay people than ever before.
see it all fits, doesnt it.
jess
Jessica
sorry, its just i hadnt expected to learn that one of you boys were already
familiar with naval piercing, because despite my rantings on the subject,
maybe i just dont get out much, but youre the first ive actually come across
with this done....
jess
Sunlight
> imo, that is exactly the reason i would get a piercing despite whether i
> were straight or gay- it IS art
art?
Oh, okay. I'll take your word for it.
("Art! Heheheheh!")
Jessica
> > > jessica wrote:
> >
> > > > dressing a certain way or liking a certain style doesnt mean someone
> > > > is gay-
> >
> > > in many portions of the country, this is incorrect.
> >
> > if you knew much about crossdressing and the people that find solace in
it,
> > you'd come to the conclusion that most of them - yes the majority of
> > crossdressers(/transgendered) are not gay- do a little research if you
dont
> > believe me.
>
> judith wrote:
what? what does crossdressing have to do with it? what do transgendered
> people have to do with it?
>
DUH, that is the subject of this post is crossdressing. like i said, the
majority of crossdressers arent gay. a great deal of the people u see and
assume to be gay are straight in actuality. (watch tv, do research. this is
what i've learned looking into it. also , myself being in a commited
heterosexual relationship and my interest in crossressing and TS/TG helps me
believe this as well) so once he gets his naval pierced, most gays wont
assume him to be anything but what he wishes to communicate to them.
jess
Jenn
wrote:
>
>"Curt" <curt_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:216fe6de26b90d75e34...@mygate.mailgate.org...
>> "Jessica" <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote <snip>
>> >
>> > jess
>>
>> Yes, my Context Queen. Try to keep up.
>
>familiar with naval piercing, because despite my rantings on the subject,
>maybe i just dont get out much, but youre the first ive actually come across
>with this done....
So just because you've never seen it before, that means it doesn't
exist?
Jessica
"Jenn" <love.is...@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:8cj5bvorfrgrta51c...@4ax.com...
Wow. Ok, yes for me i hadnt fully made that realization, it's not anything
i'd actually thought about.
how on earth could you assume i'd make that retarded a conclusion, when you
don't know me at all? are most people you run into that stupid?
jess
i'll teach you to turn away.
J> for those that arent bisexual, unlike myself.......).
J> to tell the truth, i have a hard time coping with people that can't
J> mind their own business and sexuality, when it's something that
J> should take place in the privacy of your own bedroom.
so, you have a hard time coping with people who don't keep their
sexuality to themselves, but you'll state your stupid bisexuality to an
entire newsgroup of people who have long since declared hatred of you.
is your entire life this full of hypocrisy, or only what you show
us?
lish "it crushes through my mind.
cr...@got.net it's enough to make you crawl." -cw
38.5% / 30 RANA 125 / 68
Jessica
"i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
news:b8uqbq$duojk$1...@ID-56799.news.dfncis.de...
> Jessica <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> J> for those that arent bisexual, unlike myself.......).
>
> J> to tell the truth, i have a hard time coping with people that can't
> J> mind their own business and sexuality, when it's something that
> J> should take place in the privacy of your own bedroom.
>
> so, you have a hard time coping with people who don't keep their
> sexuality to themselves, but you'll state your stupid bisexuality to an
> entire newsgroup of people who have long since declared hatred of you.
>
> is your entire life this full of hypocrisy, or only what you show
> us?
>
> lish
thats not what i said lish. i dont have a hard time at all coping with
other's sexuality. what i meant was other people seem to, and i just don't
understand.
jess
Keith Alexander®
wrote:
> im not gay, im bi.
*** Of course you are.
--
k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r
http://www.nootrope.net
http://www.modernamerican.com
aim: nootrope9 moshimoshi!
-- e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n --
RAY PEARSON
>
> anyway, im not gay, im bi.
Isn't any such fucking thing, you just like oral sex and don't care if it's a
boy , a girl, or your friendly puppy. Slut!
R
RAY PEARSON
>
> bunch o shit,,,, you truly are really funny , tramp.
R
Jessica
"RAY PEARSON" <tat...@worldnet.attspambites.net> wrote in message
news:9JCsa.63480$cO3.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
youre confused. no, actually i find women very attractive physically, just
as i do men. ive also been in a monogamous relationship for the last 5
years- sounds like a decent relationship to me- its taken all of my
dedication since i was 16. if it took up any more of my life, itd have been
pedophilia.....
i also havent had interest in recieving oral sex in quite some time, for my
sex drive has gone significantly down since in 6 weeks ill be having a baby.
its not about oral sex, im not a slut- you just like to make false
accusations and get in your last word.
not happenin.
jess
munkyluvr
dedication since i was 16. if it took up any more of my life, itd have been
> pedophilia.....
Technically, it was. Or at least statutory rape if he was over 18. I
think. I could be wrong.
> i also havent had interest in recieving oral sex in quite some time, for
my
> sex drive has gone significantly down since in 6 weeks ill be having a
baby.
> its not about oral sex, im not a slut- you just like to make false
> accusations and get in your last word.
> not happenin.
pregnant.
BTW, are my tax dollars paying for this kid?
--
Cheers.
Carol (feeling bitchy today)
Oh if you're sad, and you're feeling blue, go out and buy a brand-new pair
of shoes.
i'll teach you to turn away.
> Jessica <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> J> to tell the truth, i have a hard time coping with people that can't
> J> mind their own business and sexuality, when it's something that
> J> should take place in the privacy of your own bedroom.
J> thats not what i said lish. i dont have a hard time at all coping with
J> other's sexuality. what i meant was other people seem to, and i just
J> don't understand.
yeah? show me how the two quoted sections above - direct quotes,
not edited - are at all the same.
lish "her hatred burns me to a cinder. my charred
cr...@got.net remains keep crawling back for more." -ad
Jessica
> Jessica <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Jessica <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > J> to tell the truth, i have a hard time coping with people that can't
> > J> mind their own business and sexuality, when it's something that
> > J> should take place in the privacy of your own bedroom.
>
> J> thats not what i said lish. i dont have a hard time at all coping with
> J> other's sexuality. what i meant was other people seem to, and i just
> J> don't understand.
>
> yeah? show me how the two quoted sections above - direct quotes,
> not edited - are at all the same.
>
> lish
they arent the same at all- theyre entirely different comments, the second
was only reinstating my opinion in defense to your comment.
jess
Keith Alexander®
wrote:
>they arent the same at all- theyre entirely different comments, the second
>was only reinstating my opinion in defense to your comment.
*** Jess. Hush.
Jessica
drawing, however. the reason i stopped drawing was a lack of stability on my
part since moving out of home, quitting school, and my own stupid personal
choice to not put forth the effort. ive been drawing here and there again-
id stopped for quite some time, but am now gettin back into the habit of
utilizing and learning how to use my talent. too bad i dont have a scanner,
id love to share more of my work.
jess
"munkyluvr" <mymun...@hotmailjustkillme.com> wrote in message
news:vb60oh5...@corp.supernews.com...
Keith Alexander®
wrote:
>thats isnt why i stopped drawing, however.
:::SNIP:::
>and my own stupid personal choice to not put forth the effort.
*** BINGO! *yawn*
Go make babies.
>ive been drawing here and there again-
>id stopped for quite some time, but am now gettin back into the habit of
>utilizing and learning how to use my talent.
*** Such as it "is."
>too bad i dont have a scanner, id love to share more of my work.
*** Please don't.
Fuck you 3 months ago, fuck you now.
:-)
RAY PEARSON
- you just like to make false
> accusations and get in your last word.
whore.
i'll teach you to turn away.
J> "i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
> yeah? show me how the two quoted sections above - direct quotes,
> not edited - are at all the same.
J> was only reinstating my opinion in defense to your comment.
exactly. they're in complete opposition.
hypocrite.
lish "well, i suppose lish is a woman,
cr...@got.net in the same way satan is an angel." -ks
Judith Cookson
> > > okay so maybe i was exxagerating a little to say HALF of HUMANITY is
> gay- my
> > > point was it's an ever-increasing number, and for this reason, it has
> become
> > > more and more acceptible in todays society.
>
> may also be interpreted as:
> it has become more and more acceptible in todays society, and for this
> reason, the gay population is increasing.
only if you have no grasp of the english language. or logic.
> judithwrites:
> > gay people are more
> > visible/less closeted, thereby creating the perception that there are more
> > gay people than ever before.
>
> see it all fits, doesnt it.
what fits?
perception != reality
(oh please, noone argue this)
--
Judith Cookson
Judith Cookson
>
> > what? what does crossdressing have to do with it? what do transgendered
> > people have to do with it?
>
> DUH, that is the subject of this post is crossdressing. like i said, the
no, the subject of this post is "Navel piercings on guys (Question)"
> majority of crossdressers arent gay. a great deal of the people u see and
what does this have to do with "Navel piercings on guys (Question)"
i think you have crossdressing confused with someone who just dresses like
a faaaaaaaaaaaag.
> assume to be gay are straight in actuality. (watch tv, do research. this is
> what i've learned looking into it. also , myself being in a commited
> heterosexual relationship and my interest in crossressing and TS/TG helps me
i think you should keep your sexuality in the bedroom, where it
belongs@!#$!@#!
> believe this as well) so once he gets his naval pierced, most gays wont
> assume him to be anything but what he wishes to communicate to them.
youre probably right. unless he acts like a queer.
--
Judith Cookson
Judith Cookson
> choice to not put forth the effort. ive been drawing here and there again-
> id stopped for quite some time, but am now gettin back into the habit of
> utilizing and learning how to use my talent. too bad i dont have a scanner,
uh oh.
you said "utilizing"
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS IS AN OK WORD TO USE, EVER?
god. bleh. "utilizing."
--
Judith Cookson
Judith Cookson
>
> Jude, YOU may stand on me, but only if you wear those really thin 6' stiletto
> heeled thigh high black leather boots.
>
> R does that make me look gay? ay
no, but im way too gay to do it to you.
--
Judith Cookson
Jessica
> Jessica <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> J> "i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
> > yeah? show me how the two quoted sections above - direct quotes,
> > not edited - are at all the same.
> J> they arent the same at all- theyre entirely different comments, the sec
> J> was only reinstating my opinion in defense to your comment.
>
> exactly. they're in complete opposition.
>
> hypocrite.
>
> lish
i have no issues with others' sexuality, however like BOTH comments state-
other people do which i DO have a problem with and is stated in both
comments.
> > J> to tell the truth, i have a hard time coping with people that can't
> > J> mind their own business and sexuality, when it's something that
> > J> should take place in the privacy of your own bedroom.
>
> J> thats not what i said lish. i dont have a hard time at all coping with
> J> other's sexuality. what i meant was other people seem to, and i just
> J> don't understand.
>
> yeah? show me how the two quoted sections above - direct quotes,
> not edited - are at all the same.
would you like to show me please how exactly the two different comments
oppose each other?
Jessica
> On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jessica wrote:
>
> > > > okay so maybe i was exxagerating a little to say HALF of HUMANITY is
> > gay- my point was it's an ever-increasing number, and for this reason,
it has
> > become more and more acceptible in todays society.
> >
> > may also be interpreted as:
> > it has become more and more acceptible in todays society, and for this
> > reason, the gay population is increasing.
>
> only if you have no grasp of the english language. or logic.
> Judith Cookson
>
i hope u rot in grammar hell u dumb cunt-
RAY PEARSON
"Judith Cookson" <jcoo...@eris.io.com> wrote in message > > R does that make
me look gay? ay
>
> no, but im way too gay to do it to you.
>
> --
> Judith Cookson
>
I just blew coffee out my nose. thanks ever so.
Ray
Jessica
"Sunlight" <ms.su...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:2jzsa.1864$Yc2....@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
but being an ARTIST myself, i do believe i have a strong grasp on what is
art and what isnt. maybe you arent familiar with that feeling.
jess
Bonnie
his girlfriend got matching ones at the same time.
I think a ring would look better on a man than a barbell.
Congrats on getting in such good shape!
Sunlight
> "Sunlight" <ms.su...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:2jzsa.1864$Yc2....@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
[Jessica says piercings are art]
[I snigger]
> i dont know you, and i dont know how involved in the study of art you are,
> but being an ARTIST myself, i do believe i have a strong grasp on what is
> art and what isnt. maybe you arent familiar with that feeling.
I suppose you could say that piercings are art if you agree that Marcel
Duchamp's "Fountain" is art -- ie anything is art if you say it is and
present it as such. (I'm picking a particularly famous example here on the
off-chance that even someone like you might of heard of it.)
I mostly think of piercings as personal adornment, sometimes sex aids,
possibly even as spiritual experiences. But art? Mostly not, I would
think, and saying a navel piercing is art is really a leap of imagination.
--Elena
who did a 1-year course at university on the philosophy of aesthetics. Yip,
part of my bachelor's degree is in this shite. I'm sooo proud of myself.
Jessica
>
> "Jessica" <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:LyQsa.8478$O06....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > "Sunlight" <ms.su...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:2jzsa.1864$Yc2....@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
>
> [Jessica says piercings are art]
>
> [I snigger]
>
> > i dont know you, and i dont know how involved in the study of art you
are,
> > but being an ARTIST myself, i do believe i have a strong grasp on what
is
> > art and what isnt. maybe you arent familiar with that feeling.
>
> I suppose you could say that piercings are art if you agree that Marcel
> Duchamp's "Fountain" is art -- ie anything is art if you say it is and
> present it as such. (I'm picking a particularly famous example here on
the
> off-chance that even someone like you might of heard of it.)
>
> I mostly think of piercings as personal adornment, sometimes sex aids,
> possibly even as spiritual experiences. But art? Mostly not, I would
> think, and saying a navel piercing is art is really a leap of imagination.
>
> --Elena
> I mostly think of piercings as personal adornment
gosh u sure made this easy on me- why dont you go look up that word
adornment you just used...
jess
Jessica
Synonyms: adornment, artwork, cartoon, decoration, depiction,
design, engraving, etching, figure, frontispiece, halftone, image, line
drawing, painting, photo, picture, plate, sketch, tailpiece, vignette
Concept: artistry
> jess
Sunlight
> "Sunlight" <ms.su...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:JQ5ta.2925$Yc2...@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> > I mostly think of piercings as personal adornment, sometimes sex aids,
> > possibly even as spiritual experiences. But art? Mostly not, I would
> > think, and saying a navel piercing is art is really a leap of
imagination.
> gosh u sure made this easy on me- why dont you go look up that word
> adornment you just used...
> jess
My heart absolutely sank when I read that, because I knew that I had a
choice. I could let it lie and go on with cooking my cheese and onion
quiche, or I could answer it.
I think I've just made the wrong choice.
adornment - ornament, decoration (from Chambers, my dictionary of choice)
If you paint your eyes with liner, are you creating art? If you stencil a
greek key border onto your wall, are you creating art? I say no; art should
be more than a superficial decoration or adornment, although it can
sometimes also work as superficial decoration. ("That Monet print would go
beautifully with my curtains!")
The point is, not all art is decorative (some is quite ugly and brutal to
experience) and not all decoration is art. I tend to take a Wittgensteinian
view of "art"; the word cannot be clearly defined, but rather is a
collective term for a consensus of ideas and experiences, and that consensus
is different in different times and between different societies. So, if an
embroiderer stitches pretty daisies around the hem of a pillowcase, that is
probably not art, nor would most people view it as such. On the other hand,
that same embroiderer may choose to create a panel in an original design
that goes beyond decoration to form a dialogue of perception and idea
between the embroiderer and the people experiencing the panel.
To my mind, almost all piercings are the decorative daisies, not the panel.
I'm not discounting the idea that it is possible to create art with metal
and flesh, but rather that most piercing doesn't work on that kind of level.
It doesn't generate a three-way conversation between the piercer, the
piercee and the experiencer (any third party touching, seeing, tasting or
otherwise exposing their senses to the work) that would be considered and
experienced as "art."
Having a simple hole through your navel is the daisies.
I know you may not agree with me. Would you care to give me a less
superficial explaination of what art is to you than "look it up in the
dictionary"? To someone of my viewpoint, a dictionary is a signpost to
understanding the consensus, not a completion of that understanding.
Thank you. I'm going to put my obnoxious, pretentious philosopher training
away now and get back to my quiche.
Sunlight
> here ive done it for you: (dictionary.com)
How kind of you. Because, you know, we don't have dictionaries in Britain.
Jessica
i appreciate your input on the subject- honestly. i also agree that being
innovative rather than simply accessorizing is more what would define art.
you make a good point- but when it comes to sheer looks, and has no need for
improvement other than decoration, its another story. it osnt often you see
art improving somethingrather than merely expressing emotion by decoration.
i guess you can define art in more ways than one.
jess
The Queen of Cans and Jars
> I suppose you could say that piercings are art if you agree that Marcel
> Duchamp's "Fountain" is art -- ie anything is art if you say it is and
> present it as such. (I'm picking a particularly famous example here on the
> off-chance that even someone like you might of heard of it.)
but isn't what constitutes art pretty much subjective? i mean, just
because people think monet is some kinda hot shit master, does that mean
i have to agree when my honest opinion is that his paintings are
butt-ugly? i'm granting in advance that having studied it you know more
about this than i do - i'm not arguing, i'm asking.
> I mostly think of piercings as personal adornment, sometimes sex aids,
> possibly even as spiritual experiences. But art? Mostly not, I would
> think, and saying a navel piercing is art is really a leap of imagination.
then why is the news group called rec.ARTS.bodyART?
i personally think that piercings like lish's navel are quite artistic
in nature.
Jessica
aids,
> > > > possibly even as spiritual experiences. But art? Mostly not, I
would
> > > > think, and saying a navel piercing is art is really a leap of
> > imagination.
> >> > "Jessica" <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > gosh u sure made this easy on me- why dont you go look up that word
> > > adornment you just used...
> > > jess
> > If you paint your eyes with liner, are you creating art? If you stencil
a
> > greek key border onto your wall, are you creating art? I say no; art
> should be more than a superficial decoration or adornment, although it can
> > sometimes also work as superficial decoration. ("That Monet print would
> go beautifully with my curtains!")
> >
> > The point is, not all art is decorative (some is quite ugly and brutal
to
> > experience) and not all decoration is art. So, if
> an embroiderer stitches pretty daisies around the hem of a pillowcase,
that
> is probably not art, nor would most people view it as such. On the other
> hand, that same embroiderer may choose to create a panel in an original
design
> > that goes beyond decoration to form a dialogue of perception and idea
> > between the embroiderer and the people experiencing the panel.
> >
> > To my mind, almost all piercings are the decorative daisies, not the
> panel. I'm not discounting the idea that it is possible to create art with
metal
> > and flesh, but rather that most piercing doesn't work on that kind of
> level. It doesn't generate a three-way conversation between the piercer,
the
> > piercee and the experiencer (any third party touching, seeing, tasting
or
> > otherwise exposing their senses to the work) that would be considered
and
> > experienced as "art."
> >
> > Having a simple hole through your navel is the daisies.
>
> i appreciate your input on the subject- honestly. i also agree that being
> innovative rather than simply accessorizing is more what would define art.
> you make a good point- but when it comes to sheer looks, and has no need
for
> improvement other than decoration, its another story. it osnt often you
see
> art improving somethingrather than merely expressing emotion by
decoration.
> i guess you can define art in more ways than one.
> jess
>
>
that same embroiderer may choose to create a panel in an original design
> > that goes beyond decoration to form a dialogue of perception and idea
> > between the embroiderer and the people experiencing the panel.
id love if you could give me a more detailed explanation or examples of
this.....
thanks
jess
Nina Baltes
> gosh u sure made this easy on me- why dont you go look up that word
> adornment you just used...
> jess
"Main Entry: adorn·ment
Pronunciation: -m&nt
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : the action of adorning : the state of being adorned
2 : something that adorns
Main Entry: adorn
Pronunciation: &-'dorn
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French adorner, from Latin
adornare, from ad- + ornare to furnish -- more at ORNATE
Date: 14th century
1 : to enhance the appearance of especially with beautiful objects
2 : to enliven or decorate as if with ornaments <people of fashion
who adorned the Court>
synonyms ADORN, DECORATE, ORNAMENT, EMBELLISH, BEAUTIFY, DECK,
GARNISH mean to enhance the appearance of something by adding
something unessential. ADORN implies an enhancing by something
beautiful in itself <a diamond necklace adorned her neck>. DECORATE
suggests relieving plainness or monotony by adding beauty of color
or design <decorate a birthday cake>. ORNAMENT and EMBELLISH imply
the adding of something extraneous, ORNAMENT stressing the
heightening or setting off of the original <a white house
ornamented with green shutters>, EMBELLISH often stressing the
adding of superfluous or adventitious ornament <embellish a page
with floral borders>. BEAUTIFY adds to EMBELLISH a suggestion of
counterbalancing plainness or ugliness <will beautify the grounds
with flower beds>. DECK implies the addition of something that
contributes to gaiety, splendor, or showiness <a house all decked
out for Christmas>. GARNISH suggests decorating with a small final
touch and is used especially in referring to the serving of food
<an entrée garnished with parsley>."
Where do you see "art" in there?
Shouldn't you be off having contractions or something?
Nina
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Sunlight
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhr...@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote in message
news:1fufdi8.vhrsbk13yp99aN%dhr...@ohatzhapu.bet...
> Sunlight <ms.su...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > I suppose you could say that piercings are art if you agree that Marcel
> > Duchamp's "Fountain" is art -- ie anything is art if you say it is and
> > present it as such. (I'm picking a particularly famous example here on
the
> > off-chance that even someone like you might of heard of it.)
> but isn't what constitutes art pretty much subjective? i mean, just
> because people think monet is some kinda hot shit master, does that mean
> i have to agree when my honest opinion is that his paintings are
> butt-ugly? i'm granting in advance that having studied it you know more
> about this than i do - i'm not arguing, i'm asking.
I agree that it is subjective, but I believe that there is a broad consensus
on what is "art" and what is not. Some people's ideas of art are outside of
this consensus, and there's nothing wrong with that, but to almost all there
are a core number of things which they would agree fall within the "art"
category. I just didn't think that Jessica made a good enough case to me
for a simple navel piercing falling within that category.
For what it's worth, I'm not that keen on Monet myself, but I don't have to
like it or find much worth in it to recognise it as art. Having seen
several of his paintings first-hand (there are nine of them in the
collection of the National Museum of Wales here in Cardiff) I can recognise
that there was an attempt there to do something more than decoration, to
communicate and experiment.
> > I mostly think of piercings as personal adornment, sometimes sex aids,
> > possibly even as spiritual experiences. But art? Mostly not, I would
> > think, and saying a navel piercing is art is really a leap of
imagination.
> then why is the news group called rec.ARTS.bodyART?
I think that's a Usenet thing. This is a place where the group fits. It
doesn't mean that everything discussed here is art in the sense I mean,
although I do think that some of the things are.
> i personally think that piercings like lish's navel are quite artistic
> in nature.
Heh. I would bow down and worship lish's navel with or without piercings,
but I don't think she needs another bitch.
--Elena
i'll teach you to turn away.
TQ> then why is the news group called rec.ARTS.bodyART?
TQ> i personally think that piercings like lish's navel are quite artistic
TQ> in nature.
my triply-pierced navel is a little different than the usual
central captive ring, though. it hinges on the multiples, yes, but i also
chose jewelry that would sit & thus appear a certain way.
i'm going to VERY loosely define art as an aesthetic with thought
behind it. so, the artist's palette with paint smeared all over it is not
art, pretty as it may be, but the canvas with paint smeared all over it
IS. similarly, the navel of "you should wear a 14ga curved barbell in
this" is not art, but my "three 12ga piercings, the off-centers with
slightly shorter curved barbells, & the center with a slighly larger top
ball" can be art.
lish "it's been written with love
cr...@got.net & it's been sealed with a kick." -jc
i'll teach you to turn away.
S> Heh. I would bow down and worship lish's navel with or without piercings,
S> but I don't think she needs another bitch.
i don't know who put you on that misleading & damaging path of
thought, but don't you ever listen.
lish "forget it," he said.
cr...@got.net "oral sex gives me amnesia." -sk
Jessica
"Nina Baltes" <ni...@chaotropic.net> wrote in message
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> --
http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=adornment
here at the very bottom, thats where:
Entry: illustration
Function: noun
Definition: drawing
Synonyms: adornment, artwork, cartoon, decoration, depiction,
design, engraving, etching, figure, frontispiece, halftone, image, line
drawing, painting, photo, picture, plate, sketch, tailpiece, vignette
Concept: artistry
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2003 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
pretty reliable source i would say..
jess
Jessica
> The Queen of Cans and Jars <dhr...@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote:
> TQ> then why is the news group called rec.ARTS.bodyART?
> TQ> i personally think that piercings like lish's navel are quite artistic
> TQ> in nature.
>
> my triply-pierced navel is a little different than the usual
> central captive ring, though. it hinges on the multiples, yes, but i also
> chose jewelry that would sit & thus appear a certain way.
>
> i'm going to VERY loosely define art as an aesthetic with thought
> behind it. so, the artist's palette with paint smeared all over it is not
> art, pretty as it may be, but the canvas with paint smeared all over it
> IS. similarly, the navel of "you should wear a 14ga curved barbell in
> this" is not art, but my "three 12ga piercings, the off-centers with
> slightly shorter curved barbells, & the center with a slighly larger top
> ball" can be art.
>
> lish
thanks lish, thats what i would define art as as well.
jess
Sara
> Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
A synonym does not a definition make.
Sara
i'll teach you to turn away.
J> "i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
> slightly shorter curved barbells, & the center with a slighly larger top
> ball" can be art.
eat an ass, jessica. i didn't post to defend you.
lish "i have holes poked in me
cr...@got.net rendering me useless to collectors." -jerkcity
Jessica
> Jessica <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> J> "i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
> > slightly shorter curved barbells, & the center with a slighly larger top
> > ball" can be art.
> J> thanks lish, thats what i would define art as as well.
>
> eat an ass, jessica. i didn't post to defend you.
>
> lish
sounds like youre confused, again. i dont need your defense. looks more like
i was defending or atleast backing up YOUR opinion. anyway... back to being
unwelcomed, insulted and rejected as a newcomer by RAB....
jess
quinnnchick
"Jessica" <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote
> http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=adornment
> here at the very bottom, thats where:
>
> Entry: illustration
> Function: noun
> Definition: drawing
> Synonyms: adornment, artwork, cartoon, decoration, depiction,
> design, engraving, etching, figure, frontispiece, halftone, image, line
> drawing, painting, photo, picture, plate, sketch, tailpiece, vignette
> Concept: artistry
> Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
> Copyright © 2003 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights
reserved.
>
>
> pretty reliable source i would say..
> jess
That is for illustration. Not for adornment.
A square is a rectangle. A rectangle is not always a square.
Entry: adornment
Function: noun
Definition: enhancing
Synonyms: beautification, decoration, embellishment, gilding,
ornamentation, trimming
Concept: decoration
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2003 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
Entry: adornment
Function: noun
Definition: decoration
Synonyms: accessory, dingbat, doodad, embellishment, fandangle, floss,
frill frippery, ornament, thing, trimming
Concept: clothing
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2003 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
quinnn
who didn't bury herself deeply enough in lurkdom
i'll teach you to turn away.
J> anyway... back to being unwelcomed, insulted and rejected as a newcomer
J> by RAB....
great. does that mean you'll stop posting?
lish "i am the undisputed king
cr...@got.net of an infinite amount of nothing." -jc
JSin
where you find words that are close to the one you typed in... (are you
following me here?????) A dictionary tells you what that wqord means....
(you still there????) Nina used a dictionary she used a viable and
proper source. You are a fuckwit that chose a book that gives you words
that are similar (I know this is a big word are you still there) but not
identical (another big word).
Guess what her source beats your source because it is applicable... Go
look these big words up including Thesaraus in the DICTIONARY!!!
--
JSin
Lost Generation Custom Tattoo
To reply Kill the idiot
Jessica
"quinnnchick" <quinn...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jessica" <eeka...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=adornment
> > here at the very bottom, thats where:
> >
> > Entry: illustration
> > Function: noun
> > Definition: drawing
> > Synonyms: adornment, artwork, cartoon, decoration, depiction,
> > design, engraving, etching, figure, frontispiece, halftone, image, line
> > drawing, painting, photo, picture, plate, sketch, tailpiece, vignette
> > Concept: artistry
> > Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
> > Copyright © 2003 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights
> reserved.
> >
> >
> > pretty reliable source i would say..
> > jess
>
> That is for illustration. Not for adornment.
>
actually, they're all synonyms of each other- when i search for adornment,
it provides me with synonyms and definitions for any words associated. why
dont you go take up your complaint with Roget.
jess
Jessica
> >
> >
> Here is a little lesson in sourcing you ignorant fuckwit. A thesaurus is
> where you find words that are close to the one you typed in... (are you
> following me here?????) A dictionary tells you what that wqord means....
> (you still there????) Nina used a dictionary she used a viable and
> proper source. You are a fuckwit that chose a book that gives you words
> that are similar (I know this is a big word are you still there) but not
> identical (another big word).
>
> Guess what her source beats your source because it is applicable... Go
> look these big words up including Thesaraus in the DICTIONARY!!!
>
> --
> JSin
> Lost Generation Custom Tattoo
> To reply Kill the idiot
>
"fuckwit"? sorry, toots, youre a day late and a buck short- check two posts
above ;)
jess
Jessica
forget you. i cant help if you dont like me. i dont need you. one day,
someone will see our work in comparison, and ill be the one taking away your
business. you cant keep me from what i love. you cant keep me down. no
matter how hard you try- youre just going to have to deal. how about that?
jess
Susan
> forget you. i cant help if you dont like me. i dont need you. one day,
> someone will see our work in comparison, and ill be the one taking away
your
> business. you cant keep me from what i love. you cant keep me down. no
> matter how hard you try- youre just going to have to deal. how about that?
> jess
You really are a fuckwit.
Susan
i'll teach you to turn away.
J> "i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
> great. does that mean you'll stop posting?
J> someone will see our work in comparison, and ill be the one taking awa
J> business. you cant keep me from what i love. you cant keep me down. no
what?
so are you going to stop posting? even curt has supporters here.
who do you have?
lish "ask me the questions
cr...@got.net you never want answers to." -we
quinnnchick
> actually, they're all synonyms of each other- when i search for adornment,
> it provides me with synonyms and definitions for any words associated. why
> dont you go take up your complaint with Roget.
> jess
So using your gracious explanation of how a thesaurus works, all rectangular
object are squares. Wow.
Entry: square
Function: adjective
Definition: four-sided
Synonyms: boxlike, boxy, equal-sided, equilateral, foursquare, orthogonal,
quadrate, quadratic, quadratical, **rectangular**, rectilinear,
right-angled, squared, squarish
Concept: shape entity
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2003 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
quinnn